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Monday, November 14th, 2011 at 3:20 pm  |  44 responses

NBAers React to Rejected Offer

A #tweetcap.

And just like that, here we are. By rejecting the League’s proposal and moving the conversation from the conference room to the courtroom, the NBPA has officially placed the fate of the ’11-12 season in the worst condition it’s been in yet. And after today’s announcement that the Players Asssociation would be disbanding the union, many NBAers took to Twitter with their immediate reactions. Roll through the gallery above to see ‘em all.

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  • Jono

    just accept the damn thing already. 5 bentleys each is enough, you don’t need 8.

  • Jono

    JR, K-Mart and Chandler are looking pretty clever right abt now…..

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-a-feldman/the-legal-issues-behind-t_2_b_1081107.html Allenp

    How many Bentley’s do the owners have?
    What does that Paul Allen money buy you? Or does that not matter?
    Silly rabbits.

  • matt

    Players should’ve accepted the deal and said they were forced to take it, and use the media to make the owners look bad. Also, i feel sorry for the rookies whose progress will be delayed and also feel sorry for those players who make the league and vet minimum who are the 13-15th man on nba rosters. Also, these players are so lucky it’s not even funny. in other leagues there are no guaranteed salaries. In other leagues players have to wait months to get paid, sometimes they dont even get paid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    F’in stupid man…they’re all rich…they’d all have enough money if they weren’t so stupid with it…the lowest paid player in the NBA makes more than the vast majority of people in the world. They should consider themselves lucky to be paid to play damn game.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    F*ck being lucky, luck has nothing to do with them being in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Are the owners lucky to own teams? Josh Kroenke and Jim Buss are they lucky? Why don’t people ever make this argument? So strange.

  • Mike

    @Allenp I agree with everything you said but no matter what the players will not win this fight. The offer they get from the courts will be even worse I bet. The other thing that boggles my mind is that they didnt take it to a vote. If the players dont want to accept the deal then lets actually get proof, cause im pretty sure if they let the players vote we would be playing on December 15th.

  • robb

    Deron Williams with the truth

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    i agree wit metta world peace and jerebko

  • lexluther757

    One positive: some of these dudes going back to get degrees. Terrible for us fans of the league that there’s no hoop, but good to see these dudes not just shooting around all day every day just wasting time and spending money. Some of these dudes realizing they might need a backup plan, I support that!

  • Yep

    @AllenP — are the owners lucky? are they lucky to own a team? no. they or their families have mastered capitalism and have shown why in 2011 mind is greater than body. they have billions. they probably screwed over a LOT of people to make that much. but they still have billions. it’s not an accident to make BILLIONS. nba players arent lucky to achieve their level of athleticism, but they ARE lucky that there is a lucrative forum to exhibit their unique skill sets. i’m not saying one or the other is right or wrong, but like every form of entertainment, the market is decided by the rich guys, not the public. it’s unfortunate but yeah, the players are going to have to accept less than they want. that’s what happens when you deal with people who have more power than you — and people with more money ALWAYS have more power.

  • Patrick

    My solution is to disband the union completely and never reform it. That way no more lockouts of ALL the players…there would only be “lockouts” of individual players if they couldn’t come to terms with a team. I think this aggregating all the players together in a “union” is very dangerous

  • BBaller

    Yep @Yep,finally though at least there is a direction now in place. No more “Negotiating” ,” talks to resume” etc. The 2011/12 season is over.I only have sympathy for the arena workers on $10 an hour or less, poor folks. Never have liked the owners, now i don’t like the players either.Greed, greed and more greed…..If the deal meant players were having to starve then i would understand, why do you still defend them @ AllenP, don’t give me they are entitled to earn $millions because they never should, only doctors should. Shame if you can’t understand that.

  • BBaller

    If you cannot make $5 million earned over a career and make it last a lifetime you are either stupid and reckless or haven’t seen what is happening in Africa!

  • BBaller

    Poor Dwayne Wade, now he can only buy 1 watch for 28k..Violin playing loud.
    For example on these millionaires, billionaires behaviour.Recently i saw when one was asked to donate his shirt for charity, he took it off and said no problems i’ll even sign it, around his neck was a Gold and diamond necklace worth approx 20k. What’s wrong with that picture…Go on capitalists argue that!

  • BBaller

    No wonder the world is so fuct

  • andre anglais

    lets give the money to the lawyers, its the American way!

  • BBaller

    A scenario if you will
    Player: sniff, sniff sob, sob
    Wife : What’s wrong honey?
    Player: I have to go and play BBall for only $10000 this week!
    Wife : Ah that’s pretty harsh, how will you ever pay for our 5 star holidays, private school education for the kids and college, plus a new piece of jewellery every week for me?
    Player:I know , plus , now i can’t afford playstation games and fuel my 6 luxury cars and pay for my mistress’s mansion in another city.
    Wife: Is there anything you can do?
    Player: We can decertify our union, it will mean we lose a years income, but i’m only thinking of future players so I’ll take a strong stance, we deserve a minimum of $200000 a week, we put a lot hard work in, not like the arena workers on $18000 a year but we deserve it.
    Wife:You do that honey, how can i ever tell my friends we only can afford 4 star holidays and we can only live in a 6 bedroom house!
    Player: I’ll stand for what i think i deserve, it’s about me andif it wasn’t for the fans paying excessive admission prices to watch a game that everyone owns i would be be unemployed and working at McDonalds.To hell with the owners!

  • curtis

    i think all involved in this are selfish and greedy .man i would hate to see a season gone , my favorite game in sports kobe .pierce rondo man i look forward to that but i will say these jokers are their for our entertaiment ,those of you who cant find a job or barely feed your family ,worried about what winter damage to your home will bring . I DONT GIVE A RATS A@@ ABOUT WHAT THOSE PLAYERS MAKE I CANT AFFORD TO EVEN GO TO A GAME , CAN YOU , GET BACK TO WORK LIKE THE REST OF US YOU JERKS

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Billy Hunter said they had ‘no other choice’. Ummmm, hmmm, pretty sure you still could have counter offered there Billy, you kinda jumped the gun a bit. Kessler is obviously running this ish (and that’s not good).
    This is what happens in war when the two sides don’t respect the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    This is will probably upset a lot of you, but it needs to be said. The whole “they don’t care about the fans!” refrain is getting old. If you actually thought as a fan that players, and especially owners, gave a crap about you then you’re naive. Remove yourself from the equation, and look at the events (cause that’s what the players AND owners did).

  • Justin

    Neither side has cared about the fans at all. They can say how sorry they are to the arena workers, the businesses around the arenas, the fans, etc. but actions speak much louder than words. Every one of them is banking on the fans being there when basketball eventually comes back. The owners will lower prices and the players will grab the microphone and thank them for their patience and all that but in the end not a damn word of it is sincere. @Allenp…do you not see any blame for the players in this because you seem to blindly defend them at every turn? Also, I wish they’d get the Tweets of those players (outside of Deron Williams and maybe one or two others) that people actually know who they are. Of course these mid-level to bottom feeders are going to be mad. I wonder if any of them actually looked over the proposal that Stern sent out or if they’re just blindly going with what Billy Hunter is telling them. Also, the hate towards David Stern is ridiculous. He’s speaking on behalf of the owners.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

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  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Ron Artest’s tweet is the only one that made sense.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Don’t understand some posters claiming player greed when they all just conceded their entire salary. Possibly for an entire year. How does that equate to greed, retard$! And how do you counter offer on an ultimatum.
    This is a clear step towards an eventual resolution to a problem that was created by owners and player-agents.
    And David Stern needs to put his little Godfather act on the shelve. Doesn’t he realize he’s dealing with an atypical workforce. The NBA is not going to outsource it’s way out of this pickle like the rest of CoAmerica could. He’s been bullying everyone around for too long.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-a-feldman/the-legal-issues-behind-t_2_b_1081107.html Allenp

    Justin
    How can I blame the players for being locked out?
    They didn’t make that choice.
    How can I blame them for conceding $280 million, when the owners claimed to only lose $300 and the owners STILL have not agree to a revenue sharing model to deal with the fact that revenue has steadily increased for the League as a whole? Remember, the League made money as an enterprise, certain individual teams did not do as well.
    How can I blame the players for wanting to have the right to use supply and demand to get the best deal possible when they are free agents?
    I mean, the conceded on contract length, they conceded on several other “system” provisions.
    What exactly have the owners conceded on from the last deal? What did they have in the last deal, a deal what was widely praised as a victory for the owners when it was passed, that they are giving up now? Nothing.
    The NBA players and owners split total revenues 50/50 last season. Moving forward, the owners will hundreds of millions more than players in revenue every season.
    I think the players have done enough. If they owners wanted fans to have basketball, they would have basketball. The owners are all going to make money with the deal the players last proposed. Every single one of them. It’s not about making money at this point, but apparently fans don’t really see that. They expect the players to take whatever deal the owners offer because the players will still be making millions, and that’s more than they really deserve. But owners deserve to make as much money as they can on their SIDE businesses. People are really strange about how they see the world.
    One group deserves to make money, the other group should be happy with whatever they get.
    I don’t think like that.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    allenp be droppin the science!!

  • Lloyd

    Yea AllenP…that’s exactly how it should be. The players aren’t getting pathetic salaries by any means. They’re still getting ridiculous amounts of money to play a game that they supposedly love (just clearly not more than money I suppose).

    The owners are the businessmen who put up their own money to buy their respect NBA franchises-their investment. They are entitled to all the profits they make out of their investment. If anything, lobby for them to give more money to charities. The NBA players are set though.

    DutchRich: it’s still greed. They’re taking a step backwards to gain two steps forward in salary. A steps which aren’t necessary, they just simply want that much more money…greed.

  • Lloyd

    *Steps which aren’t necessary

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-a-feldman/the-legal-issues-behind-t_2_b_1081107.html Allenp

    LLoyd.
    Explain to me why. Why do you believe that business owners deserve as much profit as they can get, while employees should be happy with what they are paid because they could be paid less.
    You don’t think players make investments into becoming top caliber athletes?
    Do you really believe they are easily replaceable?
    In every enterprise, owners can use their position to force concessions from workers because they have the power of providing employment. But just because they can do it, doesn’t mean it’s moral or something we should celebrate.
    This exact dynamic is playing out across industries in America with smaller employee salaries at stake. It’s weird that people believe owners are entitled to profit. As if just by making an investment into a business, they are entitled to earn money. While employees are not entitled to seek as much money as possible for their jobs.
    That type of mindset means that the consolidation of wealth and power in the hands of the elite is the way the world SHOULD work.
    I though the Occupy Wall Street movements would fail because of poor planning and undefined goals, but now I see they were doomed because most people like being in the 99 percent.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-a-feldman/the-legal-issues-behind-t_2_b_1081107.html Allenp

    And, people only believe NBA owners are losing money because they’ve been told they are losing money. While team release the exact salary figures for most player contracts, they’ve never been inclined to release the balance sheets for teams, or provide any explanation on how owners spend money.
    Yet that they tell folks they aren’t making money and people believe it.
    That is funny to me. People really don’t question things too much.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Terrence Williams is the man.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: The Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t going anywhere any time soon, I hope. But the myths of poor planning and undefined goals are really the media’s way of shunning or ignoring the protests while keeping their corporate advertisers happy.
    The Occupy protests had been planned at least a half-year in advance. As for undefined goals, that’s simply untrue. Their demands were and are loud and clear–stop bailing out the banks (and prosecute their CEOs), end the neo-imperialist military campaigns in the Middle East, and stop the corporate lobbying of our politicians.
    When you’re protesting the current socioeconomic and political conditions of the Western World, there aren’t just a handful of demands to be made; you want actual, substantial change–which means most of the system has to go.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    But you’re right–most people are conditioned to believe that being in the 99% is a blessing.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    in other words, co-sign everything else you said.

  • Mogdog

    what does SMH stand for???

  • Justin

    Allenp:

    What financial investments are players making to make themselves better athletes? Before they became pros, maybe a gym membership? lol Even then they’re working out at school. Nobody is saying the players shouldn’t get as much as they can. But they shouldn’t be getting it at the expense of the teams that pay their salaries. I’m willing to bet that in no other business in the world do the employees think they should be making more than half of the revenues. My favourite argument is the “People come to see the players play”. Big deal! People also go to Cirque du Soleil to see the performers but I’m pretty sure Guy Laliberte is taking way more than half the money that comes in from it. Take the movie business too. Look at the movie Avatar. People come to see the movie. But how much of the $2.7B goes back to the actors and crew? They get a healthy chunk but 20th Century Fox will get more than half of that too. They sunk the money into the movie (as well as James Cameron using a lot of his own money too) so they get the rewards. No different in basketball. Owners sink their own money into owning a team. They, along with the NBA, provide the platform for these guys to go out and do their thing and get paid EXTREMELY well for it.
    On the note of supply and demand, and getting the best deal possible…of course they can do that. But they might not be able to get it in the city they want. Boo f’ing hoo! People who are computer experts might want to work at Google headquarters or Microsoft but that doesn’t mean they’re going to get jobs there.
    I don’t see why the NHL model can’t be adopted. Right now there are 5 points separating 1st place to 8th and they’re about 17-20 games into the season. Last year many playoff spots came down to the last game and some even had a chance of finishing as high as 6th in the last two days. Who wouldn’t want that kind of excitement for that many more teams heading into the last few weeks of the season? Right now you can pretty easily pick the top 14 or so teams that will make the playoffs, with the top 4 in each conference being the same and it’s boring.

  • Justin

    Oh, and I believe SMH stands for Shaking My Head. I used to think it was So Much Hate until I looked it up. lol

  • matt

    Justin – yeah but NHL points system is the most flawed in all of sports. 1 point for an overtime loss, 0 points for a regulation loss and 2 points for a win. It should become 3 points for a win or just wins and losses.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Actually, I would wager that if examine the costs at law firms, investment firms and the like, you would find that salary costs typically exceed 50 percent of revenues.
    When your labor is the product, the money goes to pay you.

  • Blendi

    i feel sorry for the players and the game of basketball why should players get lesser paid when the top guys earning billions i mean common we gotta be realistic here its not about the money its about justice and beeing fear and right know i dont feel like the nba is fear enough agingst the players i mean money should be the smallest problem but this is what hapens when top guys gets greedy

  • Justin

    Well, yes and no Matt. The reason it’s like that is because there are no more ties. Remember, it used to be one point for a tie so they added the one point OT or shootout win to get players to try harder to win instead of coasting along through OT satisfied with the one point. Either way…the system works, a hard cap works. There is parity in the league and a majority of the games are very close and exciting to watch. Right now in the NBA you have a handful of good games but only when the top 6 or 8 are playing each other. The rest are blowouts or double digit wins. Not very exciting to say the least

  • Mogdog

    Thanks Justin. Smh :)

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