Saturday, September 12th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  121 responses

Top 50: Antawn Jamison, no. 37

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Fleischer

There’s some unclear combination of factors that leave Antawn Jamison out whenever discussions of the top power forwards in the game come up. Maybe it’s that he’s never been on a true contender. Maybe it’s because his game isn’t flashy and his athletic abilities have never been wow-worthy. Antawn JamisonIt could be because his size and skill-set make him an atypical power forward. Or, maybe it’s just because he shouldn’t be in that discussion after all, and isn’t in that top tier.

Maybe not, but he’s damn close.

I’m uncomfortable trying to let stats tell too much of the story when it comes to players. But they’re always a part of it and worth noting. So let me throw some at you. Last season, the former Tar Heel ranked in the top 11 in the NBA in points per game (11th with 22.2), minutes per game (9th with 38.2), rebounds per game (10th with 8.9) and double doubles (9th with 38).

Yes, this was during the Wizards’ woeful season during which Jamison was forced to shoulder much of the load due to Gilbert’s knee and Caron Butler missing 15 games. But it proved that he could carry that weight. And, what’s more, he’s been doing stuff like this for yearsinjured teammates or not.

Jamison has had a steady career, averaging 19.9 points and 8 rebounds per through his eleven seasons in the league. And he’s shown his roles can vary: he averaged a tick under 25 per in his third year in Golden State, and then headed to Dallas a few years later and took home the Sixth Man of the Year Award during the 2003-04 season.

I knew all this, but I recently stumbled on something that caught me by surprise. It tells a piece of his last five years since that one season with the Mavs, all spent in Washington. During that span, only one other player besides Jamison has averaged at least 19.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game. That player was Dirk. Neither KG, Timmy, nor anyone else can boast that. No, I didn’t make that up. It’s for real.

So now we’re talking serious consistency with no signs of yet falling off.

Since Jamison doesn’t rely heavily on his speed or athleticism, his continued journey into the land of the mid-thirties shouldn’t coincide with the kind of decline that it does for many other players. He’s different than basically every other guy at his position, and it shows. It shows in his stature and in his sub-par for a power forward field goal percentage of 46.8% last year and 45.6% for his career. It also shows in his abilities.

His is the rare type of game that allows to stretch the floor and present match up problems without sacrificing too much of what you’d be hoping to get from your power forward. Last year, Jamison hit one less three pointer than Rasheed Wallace but earned more than four times as many trips to the line, good for top 25 in the league in free throw attempts. It’s that kind of balance and threat as a scorer that makes him dangerous. And he’s willing to mix it up down low to wipe the glass, too.

This season, with a supposedly healthy Arenas and a stronger bench, the Wiz will expect Jamison to carry less of the load. That doesn’t mean he’ll be any less crucial to the team, though. No, he’ll be a key component of a team on the upswing fighting for playoff position in April.

Until then, you can keep overlooking him.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 8:16 am
    First … and I will be here all day. Sooo, is caron butler and arenas both on this list as well?

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 8:20 am
    Good write up, but very basic. Crazy about the 19.5 and 7.5. You wouldn’t think that.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.12 at 8:45 am
    Solid ranking, incredibly underated and consistent

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:06 am
    Butler and Arenas are both on here, James. And this seems like a pretty fair ranking…

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 9:40 am
    I think Arenas may be top ten.

  • knock Posted: Sep.12 at 9:48 am
    Who cares what stats this guy gets?? There’s a reason they were the worst team in the league without arenas. Way to overrate antawn, the putting up big numbers (ballhoggin) without their superstar. I have never even seen this guy do a good pass.

  • Joel O's Posted: Sep.12 at 9:55 am
    Nice writeup. I wonder why “combo” power forwards – power forwards with a bit of a swingman’s game – don’t get the recognition they deserve. Perhaps because they’re seen as “soft” since they don’t usually average double-digit rebounding numbers. Guys like Dirk, Shareef Abdul Rahim and Rashard Lewis to name a few suffer from this plight.

  • underdog Posted: Sep.12 at 9:57 am
    I remember when he had two consecutive 51 point game back in the day in Oakland. And as much as I like Arenas, he shouldn’t be on the list. Or mybe he should, right before Penny.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 10:06 am
    I’ve never understood why he has been so underrated, back to back 50′s and 20 points and 8 rebounds a game? If his teams were better (which he still has time to improve) he would be more respected.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.12 at 10:11 am
    I don’t get why some of you think Arenas shouldn’t be on the list. This list is based upon what players might do this upcoming season, and it’s safe to say that a healthy Arenas will do big things in D.C. And Butler should be on this list, hopefully at least ten spots higher.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 10:22 am
    Thanks gerard for clearing that up for the people who didn’t know. It’s only the 175th time someone has had to say it.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:29 am
    Gil should come in around 10-15. I’m wondering if guys like Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Russell (sp) Westbrook, Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobli, Elton Brand, Marcus Camby, Nene, Jason Terry, Ray Allen, Mike Redd, Rajon Rondo will come up.
    Some of those guys are almost locks, while if this was last year’s last, guys like Jefferson and Brand would absolutely be there, but because of location and injury may not.
    Also, I think this is about right for Jamison. He plays (generally) smart basketball, and he had that sweet dunk against Z and Varejao when the Wiz (and Gil) beat them at the end of last season.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 10:38 am
    Hursty … you think nene will be on here? And Camby, if he is top 35 i may sh1t on my computer keyboard here at work.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.12 at 10:39 am
    haha James, yeah. I think maybe at the start of every post, whoever writes it should sum up the rules before the actual piece is written. And yes, sadly enough I’m serious. 50 times. Because people forget….

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 10:51 am
    @ Hursty: Ray Allen’s next. Mark my words. Rajon Rondo is going to show up here hopefully.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:51 am
    No, not really.
    But if it were this time last year, they’d get strong consideration.
    I did kinda expect Westbrook in the 45-50 though.
    Most of the guys I named would best fit in the 35-50 slots, so … mm.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 10:51 am
    Wow, nene, or Camby on the top 35 is like … doing a basketball list of the top 50 guys who you think will produce the best in the upcoming year and having nene and camby in the top 35…. wait.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:54 am
    Ray probably won’t be here. He had a drop-off last year, which co-insided with a lot of new guys becoming really good.
    Also, when I’m thinking about the list, I imagine a senior slam staffer, masked in shadow, laughing in a maniacal manner at the attempts to guess who’s coming up next. “Foolish mortals” type isht. Weird but hey.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 10:59 am
    303 comments until Slam Online reaches 1,000,000 comments since it started counting them…
    should be broken half-way through Monday imo.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 10:59 am
    Ray Allen is 35 on the dot.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 11:04 am
    Hursty lol … how do you know that? And please have a different answer other then “I was bored at work one day”.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 11:07 am
    I was bored at work one day?
    ….
    lol. It says so when i submit a comment on the URL bar up the top of the screen.
    Just under 300 now.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 11:07 am
    295 after I send this comment haha.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 11:11 am
    It doesn’t for me…

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 11:12 am
    Oh wait yeah it does. Wow, never thought about that. That’s a ton of comments, I’ll give you that…is there a way to find out how many times WE’VE commented?

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 11:15 am
    HOLY SH!T it does. Hurs is a genius!!

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 11:19 am
    TA DA! Thanks James.
    Moose, I don’t know, BUT you can go and find your own comments (theres a tracking site for blogspot at least) that tells you where your name has appeared.
    Google “hibachi20.” and it should be one of the top 3 links…
    Also, night all, early start tomorrow morning.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 11:21 am
    Ray Allen had a drop off? Didn’t his scoring average go up?

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 11:26 am
    Yep, by a point or two. But his athleticism went down, so did his defense. His shooting is still amazing though.
    But is he really a top 50 player anymore? Especially considering the team he has around him right now?
    And don’t say I’m a hater, I’ve loved Ray Allen the player since his early Buck days when he was a violent dunker as well as a great overall scorer. ( Too young for the Uconn times).

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.12 at 11:29 am
    I think the team around hinders his ability to a certain degree at least individually, I’d wager Ray could put up 22 or 23 ppg with another team.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 11:55 am
    @hursty: I loved ray allen with the bucks too. I miss those facials he gave nightly. Back then i liked tim thomas too. Oh well..
    Jamison shouldn’t have made the list at all. Really soft player. He just gets his points because he’s got range.

  • Wayno Posted: Sep.12 at 12:13 pm
    Twan ain’t soft! He’s been one of the most consistent players in the league for the last 7 or 8 years! I’ll take a “soft” player gettin 20-8 over a tough player gettin 11-10.

  • Jacob J Posted: Sep.12 at 12:17 pm
    I agree with the list so far except Id like to see Rip,Chauncey, and possibly Tayshaun Prince but besides that I agree with the list so far.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 12:31 pm
    I think he is soft. He hates mixing it up down low. He’s 6’10″ and athletic enough that he gets 8 rodmans a night.He slashes and has an outside game but his post game is weak. I think caron is the best player on that team and that includes gilbert.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 12:46 pm
    Im back. I find Ray Allen is dropping off, not a huge ammount by numbers but by going into terrible slumps.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.12 at 12:47 pm
    Cosign wayno, every single time

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 12:47 pm
    255 comments until 1 million. Crazy!!!

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.12 at 12:51 pm
    Name spelled wrong on the birth certificate and he kept it, the reverse Amar’e's’ story. He also had an unstoppable “Superstar” shot move on one version of NBA Live.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 12:51 pm
    Chris Bosh 34 lol. I don’t know why i find that funny, sorry. But Caron is NOT the best player on that team. He is when Gil is laid up. Caron is great and I love his basketball IQ. But Gilbert has the potential of being top 5 in the NBA for another 6-8 years. Dwade, KD, Bron, Broy, Gil… all those guys are the new MJ’s, Kobe, TMacs, Iverson’s … and Gil is right up there. Don’t let two injury prone seasons make you forget that. PLUS, who is one of the top 3 guys in the NBA after Kobe for being clutch … Arenas. Lest We Forget.

  • rog12 Posted: Sep.12 at 12:57 pm
    He’s definately not in the top 5 pfs. Duncan, kg, dirk, gasol, stat, bosh, sheed all ahead of him.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 1:37 pm
    @ james: I don’t get why you keep insisting cb 34 is cb 4. I don’t even like chris bosh. It’s cb 34 out of respect for my man barkley and not chris bosh. Yeah gil has the potential to be one of the top 5 if he doesn’t get injured again. He has the makings of another penny. Caron’s game is complete and dude is solid as hell. I’ve seen gil lose a lot of games for them where caron should have had it at the end. It’s a close one but caron is better in my book.

  • k.a. Posted: Sep.12 at 1:42 pm
    I don’t know about this but I do know antawn used to kill as a mav in NBA live.

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.12 at 1:43 pm
    James keeps doing that, yeah. Nike even recognized the CB34 in Barkley’s signature shoe names, Chris Bosh? No shoe named CB4 yet.

  • Wayno Posted: Sep.12 at 1:47 pm
    I don’t get why people automaticly label tall guys who don’t bang in the post all the time as “soft”. He’s skinny, quick, and a good shooter, so why would he abuse his body in the post if he can drop 25 in a different way? He’s a stretch 4, that doesn’t make him soft.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 1:56 pm
    @ wayno: I never said he was soft because all he does is shoot from the outside. I said he was soft because he hates to bang inside. He avoids contact except on offense. You won’t confuse antawn with a rodman or a nene. You get what i’m saying? Laimbeer’s game was outside as well but he liked it rough down there in the post too. Ariza’s a lot more physical than jamison and he’s got a smaller build.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 2:01 pm
    Jamison is still one of the most underrated players in the league. Yet, he’s been the most consistent Wizards player since who knows when.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 2:04 pm
    I know lol. I don’t know why I find it funny, but it is. I am just a Chris Bosh hater. So for the record I will always say it… and take Gil off the Wiz and they don’t win 20 games. Take Caron off and they are 6-8 seed in the East. What did they do with Caron last year but without Gil?

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 2:11 pm
    @ james: I’m a chris bosh hater as well. You’re right about them not going anywhere last year but the year before that they were playing pretty well and gil screwed them in the playoffs by coming back although they weren’t gonna beat cle anyway but still. Yeah gil has hit several game winners but he’s lost a lot more games for them than he’s won. When caron is on, he’s just as good as kob or bron bron.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 2:15 pm
    So Caron is the 3rd best player in the world is what you are saying? Or just on some nights? Because if it’s just on some nights then everyone on this list is as good as Kobe And bron. Twan himself has two 50 point games. IF, and that is a big IF, Caron was the best on the team then they woulnd’t be dieing for Gil to get back so he can run the squad again. Caron is a great player, but no one would take Caron as they’re main component to build a team around. I would build my team around Bosh before I did Caron. He is great. But NOT as great as Gil. But I do really like Caron. And i wish the Lakers didn’t trade him away. But it worked out for us in the long run :D !!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 2:18 pm
    Okay, how are you going to compare Bad Boy Laimbeer to Antawn Jamison, a combo-forward SWINGMAN. Plus, the 80′s were a lot more physical in the first place.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.12 at 2:25 pm
    Hey Teddy. I was watching a game the other day on NBATV. MJ vs the knicks, 88 or 89 I believe. And it was more physical on the outside, because they’re feet were slow but they hand checked more. But the inside game was WEAK. MJ was at the foul line for everything. AND, he was doing the mcnasty hook from rucker and getting away with it lol. Now I am young, 23. Know only what i hear and see on TV, but have caught many games on NBATV from the “golden days” (I am sure you can relate better then I can). But the tougher it was back then had to do mostly with physical ability. There are athletic players still, Starks, Mj, Nique, Drex. But in todays NBA 85 percent of them would have been solid defenders. The training today and the scouting has globally changed. Plus scotuing reports on other teams and how to shut they’re main guy down ( Shane on Kobe). But yes, no comparison lol!!!

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.12 at 2:45 pm
    wizards suck period. Slam had a great article aboot(im canadian) being a wizard fan and point being is they’re all losers and how someone can believe butler is better than agent zero is beyond disbelief to me it shouldn’t even be debatebal. Stat wise, stardom wise, basketball wise, fan wise, clutch wise, blogging wise arenas is better at everything

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 2:48 pm
    @jdn … I guess all canadians think alike.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.12 at 2:48 pm
    debateble*

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.12 at 2:49 pm
    I’ve always loved Twan’s game since his days in North Carolina. Probably some of the strangest offensive moves I’ve ever seen a power forward be effective with. That being said, if I was drafting a team to win a ship I would pick about 7 of the who’ve been on this list already.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 2:55 pm
    Can I be on your fantasy roster Brad. You take those 7, and I will take the top 7!! Sound good? lol

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.12 at 3:03 pm
    James:I’m saying I’d take about 7 guys who have already been on the list before Jamison. I can’t type today. I’m out to watch the Longhorns drop 70 on Wyoming. Peace.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 3:06 pm
    @ james: 85% of the players today wouldn’t be solid defenders back in the 80′s and 90′s. You gotta be high to even say that. The only thing that’s accurate about what you said is how the training and scouting has dramatically improved today. The nba back then was a man’s game. None of this ticky tack crap we watch now. And it was all man to man d,none of this zone we’re seeing now. Handcheck was allowed that’s why rodman and alvin robertson were getting away with murder. It was basketball the way it’s supposed to be played.Mike was killing everybody cause nobody on eath can guard him one on one.I wish the rules hadn’t changed and we’d still be seeing hard fouls without the fear of getting a t.Don’t say the inside game was weak cause that wasn’t the case at all.

  • BossTerry Posted: Sep.12 at 3:22 pm
    I think he plays outta position… Forwards who dont bang are small forwards, better slashers and shooters.. Ive always liked his game.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 3:26 pm
    Yeah it was tougher … every team now a days has physical toughness … it’s the refs that let ticky tack fouls rule the game. BUTTTTTT, if you put teams back then, they would dominate. It’s evolution of sport. Like when buddy when the 100m back in the 60′s under 10 seconds for the first time. Then Donovan Bailey, now Bolt. It’s not really compariable. Someone like Josh Smith would be like Nique. Lebron could be a Wilt. How many 40 inch verticles were on teams in the 70′ and 80′s. Now each team has one or two. I mean name 10 pg’s in the NAB throughout the 70′s and 80′s that had the physical ability of DWill, CP3, even Rondo. Who would match Rondo’s strength and speed back in the day other then a one or two guys throughout a decade. My opinion … so I don’t care what you think but players now adays are quicker, stronger, bigger, better trained, etc … it’s the way it works. Babe Ruth was one of the greats. Put the smoking over weight HOFer in against the pitchers now adays and he doesn’t hit nearly anything. Life of sports. Memories are memories. Most of which do not stay relevant. Unless your guys like MJ … and JR Rider!! lol

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 3:26 pm
    @jdn: Just because gil is the bigger star and has more fans doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the better basketball player. I don’t even like the wiz but the talent of caron and gil are undeniable. In my estimation, caron is more complete and just as dependable as gil. Their basketball skills are equal.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 3:27 pm
    LOL okay James, the inside game was weak. That’s why the league had David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Robert Parish, Bill Laimbeer, and many more great post players.
    That’s why the only real centers in the league right now are Yao, Dwight, and Shaq.
    Right. The inside game was truly weak when there was an abundance of hall-of-fame centers during the 80′s-90′s.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 3:32 pm
    I dont mean weak players. They had the best centers EVER!! Other then Shaq. I meant the fouls were the same as today. Just the perimeter was different. You were allowed to hand check but the players were slower!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 3:32 pm
    James, how can you say for sure whether the game has evolved for the better? Ticky-tack fouls don’t constitute as better skill. Your points are freaking ridiculous, the 80′s-90′s were NOT that long ago.
    LMFAO Josh Smith could be Nique? ARE YOU JOKING OR WHAT?? No players back then could match RAJON RONDO?! No offense, but I can’t take a guy seriously when he says LeBron James could be Wilt Chamberlain, when they don’t even play the same style whatsoever.
    You need to Wikipedia some other players or something because, for a guy who claims to be a “Balla”, you aren’t making much sense about basketball.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 3:35 pm
    How were the players slower? Wow. Why do you think, that just because Usain Bolt breaks the world record, his own world record in track-and-field, that basketball players were somehow slower than before? Does Usain Bolt play in the NBA? Where are you making the connection between Track and Basketball (Funny fact: (Wilt Chamberlain was a freaking track star at high jump).
    Where the heck is this myth coming from?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 3:38 pm
    Anyways, obviously the NBA is still at a high level. I never said it devolved.
    Well I g2g now… See ya.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.12 at 3:40 pm
    @ teddy: Totally agree with you my man. That’s what i’ve been trying to explain to james here. The players today are just better athletes because everybody’s 6’6″ to 6’9″ and everybody patterned their game after mike but it doesn’t mean the game is better. I don’t think we’ll ever see games as physical as celts/pistons, pistons/bulls or knicks/bulls. These were games where from the opening tip everybody’s pushing and hitting somebody. It’s why i love chuck. Nobody would mess with him back in the day. Miss the old nba. Good times.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 3:42 pm
    I do not agree with ticky tack fouls. I think it is TERRIBLE. What III am saying is that the players are more physically stronger, faster, better shape, eat healthier, scouted better, and are from every corner of the planet now. The techniques to learn defense and shooting and rebounding is down to a science. The scouting reports are down to percentage of what hand and where someone shoots worse. Man lol … You put Lebron is the 50′s, with his knowledge for the game and size, and he averages more then Wilt ever did. I am not saying he looks lik Nique. Back in the day Bron COULD play center, YES. He plays it in the NBA now when he has to. And I am not saying Rondo would be MJ. I am saying players now aday could play back in the day and be better then what they are in todays NBA, FOR THE MOST PART. I am not fighting you on this. My opinion. Its evolution man. Records get broke. I mean … when Wilt went for 50 a game… how many 7 footers were playing then? Who could somewhat be agile or big anough to stop Wilt. Or who had athleticism? He was a monster, and above his time. But Wilt now adays could have been as god as Andrew Bynum has. You don’t know what he would do now.It’s the way sports grow.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 3:44 pm
    I never said the game is better lol. I am saying the players have gotten better. ALL AROUNDDDDDDD.

  • Josh D Posted: Sep.12 at 4:40 pm
    With all due respect 2 AJ, he’s isn’t better than Rashard Lewis

  • BossTerry Posted: Sep.12 at 4:56 pm
    I believe that the over all talent of nba players is higher, better ball handlers, better defense, higher leapers, and faster runners… But why do all these ex players of the 80s and early 90s say “the NBA isnt as hard as it once was”?

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Sep.12 at 5:03 pm
    Love Antawn, his game isn’t flashy like the rest but the guy brings it when he needs to, I think he’s one of the few underrated players in the league.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 5:40 pm
    @Boss. I agree as well lol. But, I am almost positive, Wilt would say the same thing about Ewing and The Dream. “It wasn’t tough like back in my day. Plus we didn’t have 3 pointers. Everyone played in the paint. Tough basketball”. Again, evolution and different era’s. Kobe, and Ray, and Iverson, PP, KG, Duncan … all these all stars when they retire and move on. And are the interviewers, announcers, and Barkleys of the NBA. They will say how the league has changed and this and that.

  • Anton Posted: Sep.12 at 6:06 pm
    I still don’t get how you could rank someone on potential 09-10 performance. I project that Birdman will average 60/30/20, therefore he’s #1!

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.12 at 6:10 pm
    60 points 30 rebounds and 20 assist thats just outrageous more like 60 blocks 30 rebounds 20 new tats per game is more like it for the birdman

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.12 at 6:14 pm
    james- in your estimation as you said caron is better thats cool thats your opinion just know your the only one who thinks that but to the rest of the basketball community and society as a whole gilbert is better

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 6:54 pm
    Ummm lol. I said Gilbert was way better!! The other guys said Caron was better!!

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 7:09 pm
    Read my comment at 12:51. Dumba$$

  • dma Posted: Sep.12 at 7:43 pm
    good thing this was done on a saturday.

  • Gumdrop Posted: Sep.12 at 8:13 pm
    Ahhh, the coveted 19.5 mark. So many have tried and failed to attain those heights.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.12 at 9:12 pm
    37? Too low, but i didnt make the list, i just appreciate reading the good write ups that go along with it regardless of rank. Plus it appears Shawn Marion didnt make it, so i am happy/will still buy SLAM.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:19 pm
    BET tell the truth you’d buy SLAM anyways. : )

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:28 pm
    Don’t worry BET, Shawn Marion will be #35.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:31 pm
    Teddy, I think Ray Allen will have something to say about that.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 9:34 pm
    Moose, I know you seen my post lol. I called 35, you said 36 lol. Don’t mess around little man!!

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:37 pm
    Miscounted James haha. Allen’s next. That’s my prediction. We’ll see on Monday…

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.12 at 9:42 pm
    First, co-sign cb 34.
    Second, Wilt Chamberlain was WAY more athletic than Andrew Bynum, its not even comparable. Wilt Chamberlain was a freaking High Jumper! Saying Wilt Chamberlain would be like Andrew Bynum today is a slap in the face to basketball in general.
    When Wilt went for 50 a game, what other centers were there? How about Bill Russell, then Walt Bellamy, Jerry Lucas, then while he was still owning the league, how about Wes Unseld and Willis Reed! That’s more players than what Dwight Howard has to deal with (Yao Ming).
    And how do you know that the players back then wouldn’t benefit from the training that goes on today? Could you imagine Wilt Chamberlain going through Dwight Howard’s workouts?
    I also see your Rajon Rondo, and raise you a Gary Payton, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and Walt Frazier. Its not even comparable, please, just stop.
    Now, away from Wilt: You’re acting like the 90′s was some primitive form of basketball. It was actually some of the best ball EVER played.
    No offense, but you’re talking out of your @ss here, James.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 9:45 pm
    No, I think Wilt would be great. I am saying you can’t compare. I am saying however, in general players are more well rounded in every aspect man. I ain’t trying to fight you on any of this. Not saying anyone is better then anyone. Except Gil is better then Caron.
    Man lol. Okay you win. Thats exactly my point lol. Anyways. Twan is good. Good placement.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.12 at 9:46 pm
    35 Moose lol.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.12 at 9:50 pm
    We’ll see man.

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.12 at 11:06 pm
    Great write-up, Adam.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.13 at 12:24 am
    lol my bad james

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.13 at 12:27 am
    Well if you weren’t saying anyone is better than anyone (which is almost impossible to tell), just what in the heck were we arguing for? LOL. All good..

  • Joel O's Posted: Sep.13 at 12:44 am
    Marion’s not on this list. C’mon.

  • Joel O's Posted: Sep.13 at 12:45 am
    @Hursty: Whoa. It’s past a million!

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.13 at 2:00 am
    Yep. Wonder who got the 1,000,000th comment?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.13 at 2:21 am
    You’re probably right Joel, but I have an inkling he’s going to pop up at 35.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.13 at 2:30 am
    I love how jdn corrected his spelling with spelling that was as bad, if not even worse.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.13 at 2:41 am
    Man, these comments are so BORING without 3 or 4 other ‘regulars’. No wonder the numbers are down.
    Actually, f*ck it. Slam should just have no criteria, make sh*t more controversial and bring in the comments. The 40-50 slots last year had all like 150 ish, and that got increased.
    I jest here, but it’d be kinda interesting.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.13 at 3:29 am
    That would be epic. 50 players with no criteria whatsoever. everyone would be arguing over places on a list that nobody knows what its counting down. Just call it the Slam 50. And when you get to number one, its Iverson, even though he was number 50. now that would be an interesting list

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.13 at 5:51 am
    Yep. That’d be some cool Freudian/Sartre type sh*t if that went down. I’d enjoy it, then at the end of the list, there can be “closure” – like in Lost and Prisonbreak… Wait, what? They never had any?!
    Jukai bugging Ryan and the other writers last year was a personal highlight of mine. And the obligatory “fu*k this guy” comment of course.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.13 at 6:50 am
    haha no joke. that would be my kind of list. i’m disappointed with the lack of arguments.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.13 at 8:11 am
    furious i would love to flame you before i go to church, but i cant. These new commenting ‘guidlines’, visible at the bottom below the “Submit Comment” button prohibit me from doing so. I used to be Slams’ grillmaster, now i am unemployed. Sigh….off to worship jesus!

  • Moose Posted: Sep.13 at 8:19 am
    Yeah Hursty, I’ve noticed that there isn’t as much energy this year as there was last year. Sigh. I’ll be on at about six or nine every night really, so I’m up for commenting, but nobody else is there…

  • sward11 Posted: Sep.13 at 8:54 am
    Any guesses on where Derrick Rose will be? I want to hear some opinions.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.13 at 10:18 am
    Rose is 29.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.13 at 10:52 am
    Eneygy isn’t there because no one wants to argue anymore after all of the Kobe and Lebron debates. I think everyone is just relaxed and waiting for the season.

  • T Money Posted: Sep.13 at 11:09 am
    Iguodala, West and Marion will be too high on this list.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.13 at 11:59 am
    Marion isn’t here I don’t think!!

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.13 at 2:39 pm
    Furious- its the Canadian spelling i swear LOL

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.13 at 3:42 pm
    By all reports, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell were more athletic than any center playing the game today by quite a long shot. Wilt Chamberlain high jumped at about six feet and Bill Russell was the seventh best high jumper IN THE WORLD when he was in college. Bill Russell also ran the fast break and Wilt was known to outrun Kareem Abdul Jabbar… when kareem was 23 and Chamberlain was 33.
    James is right by saying teams today would kill teams of yesterday… but saying players would dominate in the same way is pretty dumb.

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  • Outlaw Posted: Sep.14 at 12:18 am
    kobe should be #1

  • JL Posted: Sep.14 at 12:22 am
    to me gilbert is just like steve francis, high scoring combo guards who just can’t win, because they turn it over too much. Ok stevie was worse, but still.. along the same lines

  • Hisham Posted: Sep.14 at 4:05 am
    1000000?

  • Hisham Posted: Sep.14 at 4:06 am
    oh alright then 1000400!

  • Furious Posted: Sep.14 at 4:19 am
    Lol jdn. You see down under we use real English hahaha. Wait why does BET want to flame me?

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.14 at 4:22 am
    A lot of those gotta be empty posts. I submitted posts and it gave me a # in the URL (with no post next to everyone else’s), but even coming back to check it later it still wasn’t there.

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.14 at 4:24 am
    BET would give you a run for your money in the argument dept. is what he was saying. But he restrains himself from what he used to do because of the new rules for posting. But Shawn Marion on the list = SLAM loses a customer for a minute! Don’t let the man down SLAM!

  • L Posted: Sep.14 at 5:26 am
    Antawn is a nice well rounded player but damn i wish the Warriors drafted Vinsanity ahead of him…

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 9:49 am
    L..they did…and traded pics

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