Saturday, September 12th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  121 responses

Top 50: Antawn Jamison, no. 37

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Fleischer

There’s some unclear combination of factors that leave Antawn Jamison out whenever discussions of the top power forwards in the game come up. Maybe it’s that he’s never been on a true contender. Maybe it’s because his game isn’t flashy and his athletic abilities have never been wow-worthy. Antawn JamisonIt could be because his size and skill-set make him an atypical power forward. Or, maybe it’s just because he shouldn’t be in that discussion after all, and isn’t in that top tier.

Maybe not, but he’s damn close.

I’m uncomfortable trying to let stats tell too much of the story when it comes to players. But they’re always a part of it and worth noting. So let me throw some at you. Last season, the former Tar Heel ranked in the top 11 in the NBA in points per game (11th with 22.2), minutes per game (9th with 38.2), rebounds per game (10th with 8.9) and double doubles (9th with 38).

Yes, this was during the Wizards’ woeful season during which Jamison was forced to shoulder much of the load due to Gilbert’s knee and Caron Butler missing 15 games. But it proved that he could carry that weight. And, what’s more, he’s been doing stuff like this for yearsinjured teammates or not.

Jamison has had a steady career, averaging 19.9 points and 8 rebounds per through his eleven seasons in the league. And he’s shown his roles can vary: he averaged a tick under 25 per in his third year in Golden State, and then headed to Dallas a few years later and took home the Sixth Man of the Year Award during the 2003-04 season.

I knew all this, but I recently stumbled on something that caught me by surprise. It tells a piece of his last five years since that one season with the Mavs, all spent in Washington. During that span, only one other player besides Jamison has averaged at least 19.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game. That player was Dirk. Neither KG, Timmy, nor anyone else can boast that. No, I didn’t make that up. It’s for real.

So now we’re talking serious consistency with no signs of yet falling off.

Since Jamison doesn’t rely heavily on his speed or athleticism, his continued journey into the land of the mid-thirties shouldn’t coincide with the kind of decline that it does for many other players. He’s different than basically every other guy at his position, and it shows. It shows in his stature and in his sub-par for a power forward field goal percentage of 46.8% last year and 45.6% for his career. It also shows in his abilities.

His is the rare type of game that allows to stretch the floor and present match up problems without sacrificing too much of what you’d be hoping to get from your power forward. Last year, Jamison hit one less three pointer than Rasheed Wallace but earned more than four times as many trips to the line, good for top 25 in the league in free throw attempts. It’s that kind of balance and threat as a scorer that makes him dangerous. And he’s willing to mix it up down low to wipe the glass, too.

This season, with a supposedly healthy Arenas and a stronger bench, the Wiz will expect Jamison to carry less of the load. That doesn’t mean he’ll be any less crucial to the team, though. No, he’ll be a key component of a team on the upswing fighting for playoff position in April.

Until then, you can keep overlooking him.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/kobe_bryant_top_50.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/nba/slamonline-top-50/& James the Balla

    Hey Teddy. I was watching a game the other day on NBATV. MJ vs the knicks, 88 or 89 I believe. And it was more physical on the outside, because they’re feet were slow but they hand checked more. But the inside game was WEAK. MJ was at the foul line for everything. AND, he was doing the mcnasty hook from rucker and getting away with it lol. Now I am young, 23. Know only what i hear and see on TV, but have caught many games on NBATV from the “golden days” (I am sure you can relate better then I can). But the tougher it was back then had to do mostly with physical ability. There are athletic players still, Starks, Mj, Nique, Drex. But in todays NBA 85 percent of them would have been solid defenders. The training today and the scouting has globally changed. Plus scotuing reports on other teams and how to shut they’re main guy down ( Shane on Kobe). But yes, no comparison lol!!!

  • jdn41

    wizards suck period. Slam had a great article aboot(im canadian) being a wizard fan and point being is they’re all losers and how someone can believe butler is better than agent zero is beyond disbelief to me it shouldn’t even be debatebal. Stat wise, stardom wise, basketball wise, fan wise, clutch wise, blogging wise arenas is better at everything

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    @jdn … I guess all canadians think alike.

  • jdn41

    debateble*

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I’ve always loved Twan’s game since his days in North Carolina. Probably some of the strangest offensive moves I’ve ever seen a power forward be effective with. That being said, if I was drafting a team to win a ship I would pick about 7 of the who’ve been on this list already.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Can I be on your fantasy roster Brad. You take those 7, and I will take the top 7!! Sound good? lol

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    James:I’m saying I’d take about 7 guys who have already been on the list before Jamison. I can’t type today. I’m out to watch the Longhorns drop 70 on Wyoming. Peace.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ james: 85% of the players today wouldn’t be solid defenders back in the 80′s and 90′s. You gotta be high to even say that. The only thing that’s accurate about what you said is how the training and scouting has dramatically improved today. The nba back then was a man’s game. None of this ticky tack crap we watch now. And it was all man to man d,none of this zone we’re seeing now. Handcheck was allowed that’s why rodman and alvin robertson were getting away with murder. It was basketball the way it’s supposed to be played.Mike was killing everybody cause nobody on eath can guard him one on one.I wish the rules hadn’t changed and we’d still be seeing hard fouls without the fear of getting a t.Don’t say the inside game was weak cause that wasn’t the case at all.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    I think he plays outta position… Forwards who dont bang are small forwards, better slashers and shooters.. Ive always liked his game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah it was tougher … every team now a days has physical toughness … it’s the refs that let ticky tack fouls rule the game. BUTTTTTT, if you put teams back then, they would dominate. It’s evolution of sport. Like when buddy when the 100m back in the 60′s under 10 seconds for the first time. Then Donovan Bailey, now Bolt. It’s not really compariable. Someone like Josh Smith would be like Nique. Lebron could be a Wilt. How many 40 inch verticles were on teams in the 70′ and 80′s. Now each team has one or two. I mean name 10 pg’s in the NAB throughout the 70′s and 80′s that had the physical ability of DWill, CP3, even Rondo. Who would match Rondo’s strength and speed back in the day other then a one or two guys throughout a decade. My opinion … so I don’t care what you think but players now adays are quicker, stronger, bigger, better trained, etc … it’s the way it works. Babe Ruth was one of the greats. Put the smoking over weight HOFer in against the pitchers now adays and he doesn’t hit nearly anything. Life of sports. Memories are memories. Most of which do not stay relevant. Unless your guys like MJ … and JR Rider!! lol

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @jdn: Just because gil is the bigger star and has more fans doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the better basketball player. I don’t even like the wiz but the talent of caron and gil are undeniable. In my estimation, caron is more complete and just as dependable as gil. Their basketball skills are equal.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL okay James, the inside game was weak. That’s why the league had David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Robert Parish, Bill Laimbeer, and many more great post players.
    That’s why the only real centers in the league right now are Yao, Dwight, and Shaq.
    Right. The inside game was truly weak when there was an abundance of hall-of-fame centers during the 80′s-90′s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I dont mean weak players. They had the best centers EVER!! Other then Shaq. I meant the fouls were the same as today. Just the perimeter was different. You were allowed to hand check but the players were slower!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    James, how can you say for sure whether the game has evolved for the better? Ticky-tack fouls don’t constitute as better skill. Your points are freaking ridiculous, the 80′s-90′s were NOT that long ago.
    LMFAO Josh Smith could be Nique? ARE YOU JOKING OR WHAT?? No players back then could match RAJON RONDO?! No offense, but I can’t take a guy seriously when he says LeBron James could be Wilt Chamberlain, when they don’t even play the same style whatsoever.
    You need to Wikipedia some other players or something because, for a guy who claims to be a “Balla”, you aren’t making much sense about basketball.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    How were the players slower? Wow. Why do you think, that just because Usain Bolt breaks the world record, his own world record in track-and-field, that basketball players were somehow slower than before? Does Usain Bolt play in the NBA? Where are you making the connection between Track and Basketball (Funny fact: (Wilt Chamberlain was a freaking track star at high jump).
    Where the heck is this myth coming from?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways, obviously the NBA is still at a high level. I never said it devolved.
    Well I g2g now… See ya.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ teddy: Totally agree with you my man. That’s what i’ve been trying to explain to james here. The players today are just better athletes because everybody’s 6’6″ to 6’9″ and everybody patterned their game after mike but it doesn’t mean the game is better. I don’t think we’ll ever see games as physical as celts/pistons, pistons/bulls or knicks/bulls. These were games where from the opening tip everybody’s pushing and hitting somebody. It’s why i love chuck. Nobody would mess with him back in the day. Miss the old nba. Good times.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I do not agree with ticky tack fouls. I think it is TERRIBLE. What III am saying is that the players are more physically stronger, faster, better shape, eat healthier, scouted better, and are from every corner of the planet now. The techniques to learn defense and shooting and rebounding is down to a science. The scouting reports are down to percentage of what hand and where someone shoots worse.

    Man lol … You put Lebron is the 50′s, with his knowledge for the game and size, and he averages more then Wilt ever did. I am not saying he looks lik Nique. Back in the day Bron COULD play center, YES. He plays it in the NBA now when he has to. And I am not saying Rondo would be MJ. I am saying players now aday could play back in the day and be better then what they are in todays NBA, FOR THE MOST PART. I am not fighting you on this. My opinion. Its evolution man. Records get broke. I mean … when Wilt went for 50 a game… how many 7 footers were playing then? Who could somewhat be agile or big anough to stop Wilt. Or who had athleticism? He was a monster, and above his time. But Wilt now adays could have been as god as Andrew Bynum has. You don’t know what he would do now.It’s the way sports grow.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I never said the game is better lol. I am saying the players have gotten better. ALL AROUNDDDDDDD.

  • Josh D

    With all due respect 2 AJ, he’s isn’t better than Rashard Lewis

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    I believe that the over all talent of nba players is higher, better ball handlers, better defense, higher leapers, and faster runners… But why do all these ex players of the 80s and early 90s say “the NBA isnt as hard as it once was”?

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    Love Antawn, his game isn’t flashy like the rest but the guy brings it when he needs to, I think he’s one of the few underrated players in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    @Boss. I agree as well lol. But, I am almost positive, Wilt would say the same thing about Ewing and The Dream. “It wasn’t tough like back in my day. Plus we didn’t have 3 pointers. Everyone played in the paint. Tough basketball”. Again, evolution and different era’s. Kobe, and Ray, and Iverson, PP, KG, Duncan … all these all stars when they retire and move on. And are the interviewers, announcers, and Barkleys of the NBA. They will say how the league has changed and this and that.

  • http:///www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    I still don’t get how you could rank someone on potential 09-10 performance. I project that Birdman will average 60/30/20, therefore he’s #1!

  • jdn41

    60 points 30 rebounds and 20 assist thats just outrageous more like 60 blocks 30 rebounds 20 new tats per game is more like it for the birdman

  • jdn41

    james- in your estimation as you said caron is better thats cool thats your opinion just know your the only one who thinks that but to the rest of the basketball community and society as a whole gilbert is better

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Ummm lol. I said Gilbert was way better!! The other guys said Caron was better!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Read my comment at 12:51. Dumba$$

  • http://www.sprint.com/sero dma

    good thing this was done on a saturday.

  • Gumdrop

    Ahhh, the coveted 19.5 mark. So many have tried and failed to attain those heights.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    37? Too low, but i didnt make the list, i just appreciate reading the good write ups that go along with it regardless of rank. Plus it appears Shawn Marion didnt make it, so i am happy/will still buy SLAM.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BET tell the truth you’d buy SLAM anyways. : )

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Don’t worry BET, Shawn Marion will be #35.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Teddy, I think Ray Allen will have something to say about that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Moose, I know you seen my post lol. I called 35, you said 36 lol. Don’t mess around little man!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Miscounted James haha. Allen’s next. That’s my prediction. We’ll see on Monday…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    First, co-sign cb 34.
    Second, Wilt Chamberlain was WAY more athletic than Andrew Bynum, its not even comparable. Wilt Chamberlain was a freaking High Jumper! Saying Wilt Chamberlain would be like Andrew Bynum today is a slap in the face to basketball in general.
    When Wilt went for 50 a game, what other centers were there? How about Bill Russell, then Walt Bellamy, Jerry Lucas, then while he was still owning the league, how about Wes Unseld and Willis Reed! That’s more players than what Dwight Howard has to deal with (Yao Ming).
    And how do you know that the players back then wouldn’t benefit from the training that goes on today? Could you imagine Wilt Chamberlain going through Dwight Howard’s workouts?
    I also see your Rajon Rondo, and raise you a Gary Payton, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and Walt Frazier. Its not even comparable, please, just stop.
    Now, away from Wilt: You’re acting like the 90′s was some primitive form of basketball. It was actually some of the best ball EVER played.
    No offense, but you’re talking out of your @ss here, James.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    No, I think Wilt would be great. I am saying you can’t compare. I am saying however, in general players are more well rounded in every aspect man. I ain’t trying to fight you on any of this. Not saying anyone is better then anyone. Except Gil is better then Caron.
    Man lol. Okay you win. Thats exactly my point lol. Anyways. Twan is good. Good placement.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    35 Moose lol.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    We’ll see man.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Great write-up, Adam.

  • jdn41

    lol my bad james

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Well if you weren’t saying anyone is better than anyone (which is almost impossible to tell), just what in the heck were we arguing for? LOL. All good..

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Marion’s not on this list. C’mon.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Hursty: Whoa. It’s past a million!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Yep. Wonder who got the 1,000,000th comment?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    You’re probably right Joel, but I have an inkling he’s going to pop up at 35.

  • Furious

    I love how jdn corrected his spelling with spelling that was as bad, if not even worse.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Man, these comments are so BORING without 3 or 4 other ‘regulars’. No wonder the numbers are down.
    Actually, f*ck it. Slam should just have no criteria, make sh*t more controversial and bring in the comments. The 40-50 slots last year had all like 150 ish, and that got increased.
    I jest here, but it’d be kinda interesting.

  • Furious

    That would be epic. 50 players with no criteria whatsoever. everyone would be arguing over places on a list that nobody knows what its counting down. Just call it the Slam 50. And when you get to number one, its Iverson, even though he was number 50. now that would be an interesting list

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