Tuesday, September 1st, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  120 responses

Top 50: Ben Gordon, no. 47

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Eric Woodyard

The off-season of the National Basketball Association is like a game of chess! Organizations gain great delectation from competitively moving the right pieces to improve their chances of winning… or as Ving Rhames called it in the movie Baby Boy, deciphering the “guns” from the “bBen Gordonutter.”

Now what are the “guns?” The guns are the things that appreciate with value! What’s “butter?” All that other stuff that doesn’t mean anything after you buy it. That’s what it’s about!

Detroit Pistons Manager, Joe Dumars is no different, he goes through the same process. Dumars’ greatest challenge now is to reconstruct a winning franchise from the ground up.

Last season, Dumars went after an AK-47 in Allen Iverson but in the end it turned out to be nothing but regular Blue Bonnet, melting as the season progressed. This season, he hopes Ben Gordon can be that selective rifle. Pulling the trigger and lighting up the opposition with pinpoint shots just as he did in the Chi Town.

Why wouldn’t he be? The 6-3, Akon look-alike brings with him a new commitment to winning that was missing last year. Starting with intense off-season workouts in which he strives for basketball excellence, building camaraderie with teammates, and taking on a new role in his career, there shouldn’t be any doubt in anyone’s mind that Gordon will be top 50 status in the League!

Gordon’s workouts are legendary. They’re an integral piece to his success. They’ve been documented in just about every major basketball publication and airwave. He flouts the same off-season dedication as his Airness and the Black Mamba. He wants to be that good! This season should be no different… In fact, my girl Holly MacKenzie (…Canada stand up!!) just completed a story on his “Summer Vacation” in the latest edition of Hoop, where Gordon touched on this situation.

“I think everyday things are based around what I do on the court,” Gordon said. “So every day [I practice] shooting, ball handling—whatever I’m working on in my game, you know, at that phase or that period.”

“Everyone can shoot the basketball,” Gordon added. “I take pride in taking big shots with the game on the line, knowing my team can rely on me. I attribute that to how I train during the offseason.”

With that mentality of “taking big shots” and “knowing my team can rely on me,” he may be able to single-handedly bring life back into the Detroit Pistons. There will no longer be any worries about who wants that last shot because he’s already made it clear that he does. Prior to this off-season, the fans at the Palace of Auburn Hills had as much faith in the Pistons as the United States citizens did for President Bush during his last year in office—they just weren’t convinced.

This is the perfect spot for BG to become a “superstar” (…Matthew Santos voice) and establish a true fan base. Gordon’s finally in a situation where he doesn’t really have to co-exist with similar talents. This may propel him to having one of his best seasons of his career. I know what you’re thinking… What about Rip Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey? But, Rip can’t create a shot as well as Gordon and Stuckey can’t shoot as good as him so he will be given the opportunity to freelance all over the court. This was not the case in Chicago, where he had to play with the likes of Derrick Rose and Kirk Hinrich, hindering him from showing his full potential as a basketball player.

He’s also coming into this season with confidence. With a solid playoff performance under his belt against the Boston Celtics where he averaged 24.3 buckets per game, including a 42-point explosion in Game 6, why wouldn’t he be? This may be why he’s made an effort to begin building such great camaraderie with his new teammates in the Motor City…because he’s confident and comfortable.

• He’s joined forces with two former UConn Huskies, Rip Hamilton and Charlie V, to give him some familiarity. (Note: All three of them have been National Champions, just for the record)

• He attended Rip Hamilton’s wedding earlier this summer to show his support for the masked man.

• He signed a five-year deal, along with Villanueva, in an effort to show his commitment toward establishing a new core for the future of Pistons basketball.

All of these factors will play into the success of Gordon’s first season in the red, white and blue. The lucky No. 7 has accepted his role of coming off the bench, which was the problem in the D with Allen Iverson. BG’s also accepted a new role of handling the ball more this season, taking the pressure off Rodney Stuckey in pressure situations.

In his mind, this has never been an issue.

“That was one of the main reasons,” Gordon told Dime earlier this month. “In Chicago, scoring was what I was asked to do. But I can do a lot more—I can make treys, I can pass, I can create. There’s a lot to my game that people haven’t seen, or seen enough of. I think in Detroit I’ll be able to do more than just score.”

Don’t expect him to become Chauncey Billups, but hey you never know…

It seems as if playing in front of the Michigan fans has been his destiny. Since his rookie season, he has constantly drawn comparisons to Pistons legend, Vinnie “The Microwave” Johnson and now he will be awarded the opportunity to excite fans in the same fashion. At 26 years old and reaching his prime, don’t expect him to disappoint.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • nastynas Posted: Sep.1 at 8:14 am
    detroit is headed for another mediocre season, they haven’t got the talent to be a top 3 team in the east, so i’ll expect them 5-6th seed,if they start clickin’ they even might take the 4th ben gordon’s alright but not a i-can-takeover-a-game-whenever-i-feel-like player but the Pistons never really had that kinda player; Billups came close, gordon is way too one dimensional and trigger happy to become the hope of the city we’ll see how it turns out. I hope the best for Motown cuz damn they need somethin positive in Detroit nowadays

  • a_whiteman Posted: Sep.1 at 8:16 am
    Good placement for bg, not sure how gim playing some pg will work but he has done it at a championship level before so I wish him luck.

  • andre anglais Posted: Sep.1 at 8:20 am
    interesting choice. If BG i really going to have a top 50 type season, do you really see him coming off the bench all year?

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  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 8:32 am
    I thought Ben Gordon was going to be number 46. But still good.
    Jukai – I know Kobe is number 3 in the NBA but to me he is number 1. But what I was saying to those to numpties yesterday is that on SLAM’s list, Kobe may not be top 5 to produce next year. I think they will put him in around the number 6 spot. They were acting like I don’t love Kobe’s game or something lol.

  • Ken Posted: Sep.1 at 8:32 am
    I have to say I’m a little surprised to see him on the list. I mean, he’s a great scorer, but he doesn’t play much D at all (and is undersized there), needs the ball all the time, and comes off the bench. Is he really a top 50 talent?

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 8:34 am
    I still think the Lakers will beat the Celts in the Finals this year… for the record.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 8:40 am
    Its a good writeup…but BG over Jameer? I don’t know man. He was amazing in the Boston series…but really have we seen him do much other than score? Maybe he’ll be able to do more with the Pistons, but I’m not convinced…
    Also out of interest, where do people have Rudy Gay on this list?

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 8:42 am
    I would also predict BG over Jameer. I think BG is going to have a great season!!

  • DP Posted: Sep.1 at 8:47 am
    This dude is nothing more than a streak scorer to me. Granted the guy can FILL it up when he is hot but other than scoring he brings nothing else to the table. A low ranking suits him just fine. I see him averaging around 16-17 points a game. play wit it.

  • Clockwork Posted: Sep.1 at 9:10 am
    I find this to be really optimistic. If BG learned how to pass and defend during the offseason, that’s great, but otherwise…And Jameer Nelson had a better season last year than BG (at least until the injury)

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Sep.1 at 9:30 am
    It’s going to be hard going to Bulls games this season knowing BG won’t be there. Sometimes the business side of this game really sucks!

  • Aaron Posted: Sep.1 at 9:41 am
    he you should be ranked no 50

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.1 at 9:46 am
    Mount Vernon in the house.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.1 at 9:48 am
    Good pick.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Sep.1 at 9:59 am
    I like Ben Gordon he was great during the playoffs this season (or last season rather) against the Celtics.It was almost like a coming out party for him. Overall he has his nights were he’s a beast and I don’t have any issues with his placement, I’m still upset about where A.I. is though lol.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 10:16 am
    I am surprised this is only at 16 comments…

  • Jeff Fox Posted: Sep.1 at 10:20 am
    Who in the hell voted for Gordon for top 50?!?! I want names!!!!!

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.1 at 10:21 am
    Hmm, 1st i’ve heard of his incredible offseason regimen, but then again look at the fella! He gave us some of the most incredible playoff moments last season (as did Ray, Rondo, Noah, PP, oh damn near every player in the bulls/celts series..) He’s the modern Microwave without peer, oh so one dimensional. The new pistons lineup is one of the many fascinating subplots of the upcoming Nba season.

  • Justin Walsh Posted: Sep.1 at 10:21 am
    Holly MacKenzie name drop during a Ben Gordon piece. WOW that’s fitting. BG is one of her fav players. Anyway, Good stuff Eric. Will be reading through more thoroughly after breakfast (So far I’ve only had time to skim it while folding laundry)

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.1 at 10:24 am
    Jeff Fox is mad, Slam Fam, and he wants your SCALP. And he needs his scalps, so the holy 31 (contributors) better watch their backs.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 10:25 am
    Sooo, shaq should be next?

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 10:28 am
    I’m STILL wondering who’s gonnna pass the ball to Rip, BG, and Charlie V…unless Stuckey has learned to play the PG over the summer (he’s clearly still a better fit at the 2). Also, who’s gonna rebound and guard the basket-Kwame Brown? Alot of this article intimates that Gordon was somewhat held back by the All-Star caliber point guards he’s had creating space & shots for him. makes no sense to me.

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 10:39 am
    I’ve always been conflicted about BG. The jumper is just ridiculous and he has nice moves off the bounce to set it up. He’s immediately noticeable on the offensive end. HOWEVER, he’s one of the worst defender that I know and he can’t defend his own position, which leads to weird unfavorable match ups for his team. He also has a very poor handle when he’s not performing a pre-programmed set up move (leads the NBA in dribbling the ball off his foot and out of bounds). For all the talk about his series against Boston, he shot 38%! The court vision is also non existent. I can see the talent but, to me, this is not a guy that helps you win games. He’s a chucker with too many holes in his game.

  • Crossover Posted: Sep.1 at 10:40 am
    If he averaged “24.3 buckets per game,” then he should definitely be a little higher.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.1 at 10:51 am
    Who will be starting in Detroit? That’s what I want to know…

  • Exile Posted: Sep.1 at 10:54 am
    Being a bit picky…But if Dumars is gunning for an AK-47 to be a percision weapon… That may be the problem. AI was an AK… Fires hard hitting, high calibre rounds that do the damage at short range, but are not the most accurate. A scary durable weapon, the AK is legendary and despite tech advances, is still front-line. Tell me how AI is butter again… Dumars just needs to know his weapons better.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 10:55 am
    Ben Gordon and Rip both have a problem coming off the bench. Can’t see this ending well.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 10:57 am
    And I’m not even going to comment on who he is ahead of.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.1 at 11:09 am
    Woah, Exile make anyone else shiver ever so slightly?

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.1 at 11:18 am
    The Pistons are one of those teams that I have absolutely no idea how good they’re gonna be next year.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 11:19 am
    Yo, everyone click my name. That was number one last year, check the comments!!!

  • G Posted: Sep.1 at 11:37 am
    BG’ll have a pretty good season. The Pistons need a shoot-first type of player, and he takes care of that. … Putting him ahead of Jameer, though? I guess the key argument would be this: Orlando made the finals without Jameer — so how important could he possibly be? Even still the ranking seems high.

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: Sep.1 at 11:40 am
    Uhh yeah Dark.. Yeah.

  • Yesse Posted: Sep.1 at 11:42 am
    I dunno about this one.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.1 at 11:53 am
    Other than the iverson ranking which I’m ignoring, I don’t have a problem with his spot.

  • Exile Posted: Sep.1 at 11:58 am
    James the Balla: Thanks for the link.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 12:00 pm
    Man, I HOPE Gordon has some ability on the court that hasn’t been tapped yet. Honestly, i’m like everyone else and just cannot see it. He is a shooter, nothing more. If his offseason workouts are legendary, then I hope he worked on defensive positioning, moving his feet, ballhandling, and passing. These are things he isn’t very good at. However, i’m sure his bicep curls in the gym are pretty impressive.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 12:00 pm
    Agree with Tavoris…if he can’t share the backcourt with Rose and Hinrich (who was injured a lot anyway). How will he share it with Rip and Stuckey? Who, you or may or not have noticed, kinda like to shoot every now and then.
    And I’m still not convinced on the Pistons frontline. I wouldn’t guess anything higher than a 6th seed

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 12:07 pm
    Sixth seed?
    In their dreams.
    Off the top of my head:
    1.Boston
    2. Orlando
    3. Cleveland
    4. Atlanta
    5. Philly
    6. Heat
    7. Bulls
    8. Bobcats, with Iverson.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.1 at 12:15 pm
    Replace no. 8 with Washington, and then we’ll talk.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 12:17 pm
    Allenp, don’t forget about a soon-to-be (but for how long?) healthy Bucks team, and the Wiz. I also think the Pacers have more balance and depth than the Pistons.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 12:21 pm
    Allenp: You cannot convince me that Detroit can not be as good or better than the Sixers (no PG), Charlotte (no scorers…and yes, I saw your AI note), Bulls (still no post presence), Heat (still a 1 man show).

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 12:22 pm
    Agree with you AllenP, 6th is the absolute ceiling for the Pistons, and thats if the Sixers and Heat fall off

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 12:23 pm
    The Pacers?!?! You sure are nuts.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 12:39 pm
    NP Exile!!Co-Sign tadone!!

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.1 at 12:40 pm
    I agree with you about philly unless they have a secret about jrue holiday and lou williams but I do think the bulls and heat are both a lot better than the pistons current incarnation.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 12:45 pm
    I’m not saying the Pacers are better…I said I like their balance. They will surely be more consistent than the Pistons…I see Rip and BG clashing by the end of Dec at the latest. Probably before Nov rolls around (and BG chucks a contested 3 instead of making the extra pass).

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 12:47 pm
    I can’t say with any certainty what BG, CV, Wilcox, an aged Big Ben, and John Kuester will bring to the table for Detroit this season. However, I do know what Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, and Rodney Stuckey will bring. I believe those 3 players alone will bring the Pistons 30 victories. I’m not sold on any team in the East after the top 3 of Boston, Cleveland, and Orlando.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 12:52 pm
    I still do not understand where people are saying BG and Rip will clash? Rip DID NOT clash with AI. They are still friends and remain in contact. Curry just completely mishandled that situation from the start. Gordon is used to coming off the bench and providing a spark while still playing a good percentage of the minutes. Why would he all of a sudden decide to not be ok with that?? F*ck the contract because Manu got paid good money to also come off the bench for the Spurs.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.1 at 12:57 pm
    whys everyone sleeping on the raptors they’re top 8 in the east FORSURE

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.1 at 1:01 pm
    Their styles don’t mesh well imo. Though I’m not one of the ones who said they would clash.

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 1:01 pm
    TAD: because he got P-A-I-D. BG is not like Manu, there’s a lot of emphasis put on being a starter over here whereas most Euros do not care as much. He got the big contract, he’ll want to hear his name during the intros. / Allen: Cleveland third, word? Orland and Boston improved that much or you don’t like the moves Ferry pulled off? I thought that Ferry went 2 for 3 in the off season. There’s now a low post scoring option and size on the wings. He missed out on a stretch 4 but, apparently, LBJ is going to spend a lot of time at that spot which would solve the well known and documented match up problems at that spot.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 1:04 pm
    Raps will not be top 8. Only if they click, Bosh stays healthy, Jack can actually step up every night, or every second night. And Calderon has to stay healthy!! They have made imporvements but it will take them a while to the different kind of play they all have. And Bargani is still going to be a dissapointment again this year.

  • Exile Posted: Sep.1 at 1:06 pm
    Allenp: Where do you see the Raptors falling? They made a lot of moves this off-season…

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 1:08 pm
    After the top 3 teams everyone has questions marks. Can Louis Williams play the point? Can the Hawks run some sort of offense except isos? Can Beas play the 3? Can JO’s body hold up? Can the Raps not get slaughtered on the boards? Can Luol Deng bounce back? Can the Pacers stop ANYONE? Can the Bobcats find the basket?… and even the top 3. I mean we don’t know how the style change will affect Orlando. We don’t know if Shaq has a healthy season in him. We don’t know if Sheed is really back from the dead.

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 1:09 pm
    Raps have a MASSIVE hole at the 2-guard spot. Jack is a tweener, Graham has no ball skills, DeRozan is raw as eff, Bellinelli… I don’t know much about Bellinelli tbh.

  • Kas Posted: Sep.1 at 1:14 pm
    This piece is not very well written.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.1 at 1:15 pm
    Co sign Z. Just because the Raps made changes, doesn’t mean they will work … this season. Give Derozan a season under his belt. Bosh can hopefully play more the 2/5′s of the season as an all star. Jack, plays okay once every couple of nights. Belli will either really help the team out, or be non effective. They should have signed Pop’s, and they let parker go, so who is your startng two? Like Z said joey has zero balls, and zero jumpshot to go with it.

  • airs Posted: Sep.1 at 1:23 pm
    totally doesn’t look like akon.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 1:27 pm
    Toronto don’t make the playoffs imo. As said above, no real two guard and just don’t see them meshing. And I don’t think Rip and BG will clash, as it was stated in the article Gordon is already trying to get on with Rip…but that doesn’t mean they’ll work together on the court…particurly with Stuckey, who I’m not that big on

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.1 at 1:43 pm
    so Toronto doesnt make top 8 because we have a whole in the 2 spot(even though we did draft the best two guard in the draft but w.e) but a team without their starting point guard like philly makes the 6th spot… when did the two position became more vital to a teams success than the 1 position

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 1:44 pm
    TAD
    Don’t take that list too seriously, although I think the Wizards might slip into the hunt now that I think about it.
    The Pacers were close last year, although losing Daniels hurts. The Sixers lost Andre Miller, so that’s a good point. But, I think with Brand coming back they still have a better core than Detroit.
    Detroit’s frontcourt is horrible, and they are going to have a battle for minutes in the backcourt. I don’t like that team one bit, but I am incredibly biased.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 1:50 pm
    Z
    On paper, Boston and Orlando look like better teams to me, although, I think I would look at things again if Cleveland managed to get Stephen Jackson. I’ve been hyping that move the entire summer.
    I really like what Orlando did on paper. You know I advocated for them to let Hedo walk and get more traditional, so I have to back that up. Boston has the mindset, and if KG is right, they have the talent. Now, if KG still banged up, then I drop Boston to number 3, and move the other two teams up one slot.
    I’m really high on Orlando on paper. That team is just exciting to think about.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 1:51 pm
    Exile
    The Raptors? I’m not sold on those cats at all. I don’t like Bosh as the main guy, and I don’t like Calderon’s durability. I think Andrea believes he’s better than he really is as a player, although he does have talent. I think Anthony Parker was a really good glue guy, and they are going to miss him working hard.
    I don’t know about the Raps. They have talent, but I don’t think they believe in each other anymore.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 1:54 pm
    I don’t know how AI and Hamilton feel about each other off the court, but on the court they clashed. But, quiet as it was kept, the biggest problem was with Iverson and Stuckey.
    Stuckey is not looking to take a backseat to anybody. And, when you have three guards who want minute and want the ball, you typically have problems.
    But, I’ve been wrong before.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.1 at 1:59 pm
    Whats wrong with bosh as the main guy were talking about making the playoffs not winning the championship IMO raptors are an exact copy of the orlando magic last season andrea is a taller rashard lewis bosh is dwight with more scoring less defence we have hedo calderon is better than jameer and they had c lee a rookie as the starting two which is derozan case

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 2:06 pm
    Andrea is nothing like Rashard. Bosh does have a MUCH better arsenal than Dwight but also has MUCH less defense and doesn’t rebound as well. Hedo could be big if he is used properly. Calderon is no way better than Jameer. And Derozan is raw, very raw, whereas Lee played his role perfectly

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.1 at 2:07 pm
    And again I must agree with Allenp, I’m not a fan of Stuckey…to me he’s the wrench in the machine

  • doyouwantmore Posted: Sep.1 at 2:16 pm
    Ben Gordon doesn’t look anything like Akon.

  • the big H Posted: Sep.1 at 2:20 pm
    Iverson is better then everone on this list so far

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 2:38 pm
    Meh…it’s whatever. I don’t like BG personally, but I have to root for him since he is now on the team I root for. I never wanted to sign him, but I understand what Dumars was doing. Joe wasn’t willing to wait until 2010 when no of those players were guaranteed to leave their current teams. I’ll wait and see how it plays out. Even if Detroit is not a contender next season, Joe was banking on being back on top for an extended period.

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.1 at 2:38 pm
    1.Boston
    2.Orlando
    3.Cleveland
    4.Raptors
    5.Heat
    6.Wizards
    7.Pistons
    8.Bobcats (if they get Iverson)

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 2:44 pm
    TADOne…gotta tell u from personal experience, Rip and AI are NOT friends

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.1 at 2:49 pm
    Maybe I should have included the Raptors in my list, but something was off about them last year. They just lacked heart or something.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 2:54 pm
    Allenp, it’s kinda the same problem the Pistons have…3 shooting guards and no point…the Raptors play with 3 perimeter shooting forwards and no center. Belnelli will probably do fine at the 2 (he put up decent numbers in limited minutes in GSW), and Nesterovic will help Bosh tremendously by just BEING there.

  • Zee! Posted: Sep.1 at 3:25 pm
    Does any of this effect the Lakers winning again this upcoming season?

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.1 at 3:29 pm
    @Zee: LOL nope were Repeating!!.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 3:34 pm
    Pardeep & Zee, if “The Machine” has anything to say about it, the Lakers will repeat…However, my money is on San Antonio.

  • Exile Posted: Sep.1 at 3:34 pm
    Allenp: The Raps DID lack heart. Thats probably why they dumped all their contracts. AP, Joey, Pops, Roko, Moon, Kapono etc… all gone. I think they only have 3 left from the beginning of last year. I just don’t know if they are any better.

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 3:41 pm
    joey’s gone?

  • Exile Posted: Sep.1 at 4:11 pm
    Yeah. Triano was interviewed and the Raps didn’t extend him.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.1 at 4:23 pm
    BG is a beast, but the Pistons are not going to make the playoffs without a center. And dont tell me that rotting corpse you call Ben Wallace is who their center is, we all know the last time Ben was a valuble contributor to a NBA team was when Larry Brown was in Detroit. A bunch of power forwards (which the Pistons have) will not be able to do battle with actual centers either.

  • Klav Posted: Sep.1 at 4:32 pm
    @BET it was already mentioned that Big Ben came back to Detroit not to play, but more to be a mentor. plus dude is retiring. so nothing special outta him, retire his number? we’ll see.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.1 at 4:47 pm
    Klav who is he going to mentor. I understand the whole idea of using him to teach a bunch of power forwards how to be undersized centers, but that is like using a wolf to teach a bunch of domesticated dogs how to be wolves too. It just doesnt work like that. Plus Wilcox and Charlie V are not good defender at all, and Maxiell is almost too short to be a power forward much less a center. Until Detroit gets a legit C, i dont see how they can make the playoffs.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 5:00 pm
    Didn’t the Bobcats just get a legit center, like, a month ago? Honestly, other than Shaq, Dwight, and Kendrick Perkins, what center in the East is scary? However, I do agree the Pistons need a legit post-presence.

  • Klav Posted: Sep.1 at 5:03 pm
    BET, well i’m not saying its going to work, and im not saying its the best idea…thats just what reports were saying. i completely agree with you, i guess it was just a good way for Big Ben to go out. i dont think retiring in PHX woulda been fitting. but as far as him mentoring, he’s got a lot of work to do and i don’t think it’ll help very much. but whatever, just my 2 cents.

  • Ty Posted: Sep.1 at 5:05 pm
    Sad time to be a Piston fan. enormous waste of money this summer, Joe D. This time next year,we’ll REALLY be bummed.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.1 at 5:07 pm
    Tad, why bring the Bobcats into this? I thought this was about the Pistons. Any center doesnt need to be ‘scary’ to dominate a front line that does not have anyone with the ability to defend them.

  • The D Train Posted: Sep.1 at 5:07 pm
    said it before and will say it again: Ben did not have that great a playoff series against Boston. Was the leading scorer in the losses, was not the leading scorer in the games his team actually won. Go back and watch those games and tell me him chucking up everything within eyesight wasn’t detrimental to Rose, Heinrich and Salmons production. He’s a one dimensional, under-sized 2. The Microwave comparison is as good as any, although Vinny was a much better ball handler and quite a bit more sturdy than Ben. As a Bulls fan, I’m not sad to see him go.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.1 at 5:08 pm
    Klav i also agree that this is a good place for Ben to retire. We can basically agree on everything…

  • Klav Posted: Sep.1 at 5:28 pm
    well this doesnt count for anything, since rosters didn’t update on 2K9, BG saved my ass in OT and finished the game with 44! LOL 8-16 from trey

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.1 at 5:32 pm
    I had nothing else, BET. I have to use whatever is at my disposal. Ty: Not really a sad time to be a Pistons fan. Detroit had a good run and now have just reloaded. The only question is whether they purchased the right ammunition. I guess we shall see.

  • skywalker Posted: Sep.1 at 5:34 pm
    gordon is kinda like iverson, their both short and can score, but neither of them really make your team any better

  • skywalker Posted: Sep.1 at 5:34 pm
    gordon is kinda like iverson, their both short and can score, but neither of them really make your team any better

  • Klav Posted: Sep.1 at 5:50 pm
    BG needs to grow 3 inches so he can be called a “shooting guard” for real tho. i would still rather have him than the machine, but i guess he would b!tch about playing time since he would be behind Kobe anyway. a la Shannon Brown!

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.1 at 6:01 pm
    @Tavoris: I wont be surprised if the Spurs exit in the 2nd or 1st round. I know they got Jefferson but the impact they are saying he is goingg to make is overrated.

  • Z Posted: Sep.1 at 6:21 pm
    they’re kinda alike except that iverson is about a million times better at that scoring business.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.1 at 6:52 pm
    Pardeep…look at the Spurs roster…they quietly STACKED themselves with athletes, help for duncan, and mid-range and long-range shooters. Plus, Duncan is still an elite player, and Parker is JUST entering his prime. Not even gonna mention Jefferson (which is actually an UNDERRATED addition-he’s a proven scorer, athlete, and defender who gets no recognition) Don’t count them out just yet.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.1 at 6:57 pm
    Shaq is next. Number 46!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.1 at 8:00 pm
    Umm, Allenp, I think you forgot the TORONTO RAPTORS. The Bobcats (without AI), Bulls, Sixers, and maybe Heat are not getting into the playoffs ahead of Toronto.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.1 at 8:01 pm
    OH MY GOSH, I h@te when people say “Iverson doesn’t make your team better”! WOW. I don’t even need to elaborate.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.1 at 8:02 pm
    The Spurs are going to haul some major @ss this year.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.1 at 8:09 pm
    Teddy haul @ss in slow, or haul @ss as in win? And teddy who do you think is next, Shaq?

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.1 at 8:28 pm
    Teddy the bear tell him again :) RAPTOR BASKEBTALL BABY

  • chintao Posted: Sep.1 at 10:02 pm
    Good information in this piece, but the poor grammar and diction were distracting.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.1 at 10:18 pm
    Haha @ James: I’d say both, now that I think of it.
    Ummm maybe Shaq is next, that’s a good guess. I’ll say… Mo Williams or Rashard Lewis?

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.2 at 12:53 am
    @Tavoris: Yeah the SPURS did queitly get stacked but I am still not convinced. There is something holding them back from the Finals no matter what. That things is the Black Mamba and we got tougher with Ron Ron. We winning 66 atleast. But yeah if you think about it Spurs probably will end up in the WCF against Lakers and loose in 6. But can’t predict anything just yet because everytime I count those guys out in June Duncan and Popovich crack smiles and raise their arms.

  • Anton Posted: Sep.2 at 2:27 am
    While reading this article, I grabbed and held my sack throughout.

  • Samaki Walker Posted: Sep.2 at 3:12 am
    Yes, everyone give their final verdict on Stuckey after 1.5 seasons in the league. Everyone is a basketball expert here, that amount of time is more than enough.

  • Solon Posted: Sep.2 at 5:30 am
    @ Pardeep: Raptors at #4?!?!? What are you smoking dude? Better then the Bulls? Hawks? Even the Heat or Philly? They have no heart. Once they lose 5 in a row or 6 outta 8, Bosh will shut ‘er down for Free agency ’10, and The Turkey will just go clubbing, bumping French Techno every night in the “International Scene” he desired so much.
    Derrick Rose alone makes the Bulls better then the Raps. He will be a top 3 PG this year.
    Iverson is cleaner the BG tho for sure.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.2 at 7:21 am
    Considering what’s been talked about the last few days on the countdown, I can foresee a ‘lull’ of new/intelligent comments after about 44 until 39ish (when people start to really care).

  • Wdavid Posted: Sep.2 at 11:12 am
    My ears are still ringing from all the exclamation points in this piece.

  • niQ Posted: Sep.2 at 11:33 am
    The guns and butter quote is lame. And he does NOT look lkie Akon. That is all.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.2 at 6:54 pm
    @ Solon: Philly is not going to be better than the Raptors dude. Not unless Brand steps it up big time and we still haven’t seen if he can play with ‘Dre.
    The Heat… Well the Heat suck. Sorry, but right now Miami has not done much to find Dwayne Wade the help that he seeked.
    The Raptors are going to be better than both those teams.

  • Shem Posted: Sep.2 at 10:14 pm
    @Solon: the heat, hawks, bobcats and pistons will NOT beat the raps the wizards have a chance but the raps will probably win in that the raps also always win the season series for a reason

  • rikson Posted: Sep.3 at 8:32 am
    Maybe the most beautiful jumpshot in the L right now… I would kill for that shot!

  • Brett Ballantini Posted: Sep.4 at 7:21 pm
    It’s great to talk of BG’s work ethic and all, but facts are facts. He’s known since college he’d have to handle the ball better as an NBA combo guard, and it hasn’t happened. Though cut from granite, he’s undersized at the two and liable to be pushed around on defense–that’s no newsflash, either. He is one of the most exciting shooters in the game, and that’s about it. He won’t grow from there. I love Ben Gordon. He’s a stand-up guy. But what’s the point of working as hard as MJ or Kobe if his game is still virtually as one-dimensional as it was when he was drafted?

  • Chendaddy Posted: Sep.17 at 12:25 pm
    Okay, I appreciated this article. Regardless of whether I thought they were valid or not, these are at least real arguments why Ben Gordon is the 47th best player in the NBA. And I agree he is. I just don’t agree he’s ahead of either Jameer Nelson or Josh Howard. Not when he’s a one-dimensional, shoot-first, shoot-second, shoot-third, undersized 2-guard who’s never learned any other skill after five years in the NBA. Also, two things. First, Joe Dumars didn’t think he was getting an AK-47 with Iverson, he thought he was getting an expiring contract, and he was right. Second, Kirk Hinrich couldn’t create as well and Derrick Rose couldn’t shoot as well as B.G., so how does that argument about Rip and Stuckey make sense?

  • Bweapons Posted: Oct.6 at 10:30 am
    Too low. People talk about scoring and shooting like it’s nothing, something any fool with a ball and a hoop can do. He was Top 25 in scoring, 20 ppg, he wasn’t some random 15 ppg scorer like people seem to think. No, he’s not AI — he’s actually one of the more efficient scorers in the NBA and can kill you off the bench or starting. He does it within the team limits, too. No, he didn’t have problems with either Rose and/or Hinrich. He didn’t hold either back, though Hinrich (who is NOT all-star caliber BTW) probably did a little bit. In fact, Rose and Gordon probably would’ve been something special. You haven’t watched the Bulls since the 04-05 season if you’re saying he can’t play defense. He plays it moderately well, in fact, his opposition at shooting guard averaged the least points than any other position on the team. He outscored his opponents by 5 points on average.

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