• September 23, 2009 8:00 am  |  100 Comments

    Top 50: Caron Butler, no. 28

    The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

    by Gregory Dole

    All you need to know about James Caron Butler is his nickname “Tough Juice,” given to him by his former Washington Wizards coach Eddie Jordan. He is tough, a product of a difficult childhood, bouncing in and out of the prison system on many occasions before his 15th birthday. In contCaron Butlerrast to his problematic youth, Butler’s game is solid and well rounded, the result of having been a post player in high school before he slimmed down to play wing.

    You won’t read much about Butler in the media, other than his predilection for chewing McDonald’s and Burger King straws (and the odd Cheesecake Factory straw). And he isn’t the sort of player that is celebrated because some quantitative analyst from MIT has found data to suggest that he is much better than he would appear.

    Butler is one of those players who fly under the radar and get the job done. You want 20, 6 and 4? Done, done and done. The Butler did it along with very few else but don’t expect basketball fans around the world to discuss his merits all that often.

    He is in what you might call the BMW class of NBA players. Very high performance results but not particularly flashy. Butler can throw down spectacular dunks, some of which live posthumously on YouTube and are worth checking out again or for the first time. He can cross over guys on the perimeter and beat defenders off the dribble, the basketball equivalent of a decent 0-60 mph acceleration.

    Similar to a BMW, this class of player is so consistently good that they are almost boring. Better to get an Italian roadster that looks special, sort of like a 7-1 former ballerina from Tbilisi, Georgia named Nikoloz Tskitishvili, who was drafted five spots ahead of Butler in 2002. Nice eye for talent there, Kiki Vandeweghe.

    Enough automotive talk.

    One of the more underrated post-season teams was the 2003-2004 Miami Heat. This team had no business being a playoff contender, only showing signs of life at the end of the season when they won 17 of their final 21 games. For a brief time, they played like they belonged with the best in the League. Butler showed up in Game Seven of the first round series, giving his team 23 and 9 to beat the New Orleans Hornets. This team had heart, a trait that seems to be a part of every team Butler plays on.

    And who can forget Butler’s 2006 performance in against the Cleveland Cavaliers. His 20 rebounds in Game 6 almost put the Wizards over the top, if only his last second trifecta had gone down. Let us not forget that Cleveland won the series by the slimmest of margins, squeaking out three victories by one point in the best-of-seven set.

    In 2008, with Gilbert Arenas out, Butler defined the expression “man up.” He willed the Wizards into a Game Six before the Cavs prevailed.

    It appears as though Butler has all the intangibles. I’ll have to ask Gil the next time I bump into him on the street somewhere. Butler’s teammates enjoy playing with him. He inspires their loyalty. He is the guy who gets rebounds and doesn’t force the ball on offense. Some might suggest that he doesn’t shoot the ball enough, which makes Butler a perfect teammate for Agent Zero.

    These aforementioned qualities would have made Butler the perfect running mate for Kobe Bryant. Unfortunately, Lakers’ resident personnel guru Mitch Kupchak thought Kwame Brown was a better bet, sending Butler to the Wizards in 2005.

    That trade is worth dwelling on for a beat. The Lakers shipped away a wing player who can defend, rebound, shoot, and defer to the team’s main scorer. Weren’t they looking for one for several years until Trevor Ariza showed up?

    Not insignificantly, Kobe loved him some Tough Juice, but even the mighty Black Mamba or whatever couldn’t keep Butler around. And we wonder why the best basketball player of all time to be named after a variety of beef was so ticked off at the Lakers management?

    Perhaps the pride of Racine, WI is given more credit than he deserves and thus the decent ranking on this here SLAMonline list. If anything, it seems hard to find anyone who has a negative opinion of Butler. The story that circulated sometime back of Butler showing up at some suburban teen’s birthday party is one for the ages.

    Explaining the decision to attend Anthony Fadel’s birthday party, Butler said: “I am not anti-social. It is good to be around fans.” While unrelated to his talents on the court, Butler gets “it”. His reputation has been built by being one of us mortals. He has remained an everyday guy, even though the basketball system has given him ample opportunity to be some rich snot that disconnects from his fans and reality in general. For that, maybe he earns more praise than he should.

    Butler is also often injured. He hasn’t played more than 75 games since he was an L.A. Laker in ‘03-04. Perhaps as a result of injuries, Butler doesn’t get to the free throw line as much as he could even though he shoots a stellar 85% from the stripe.

    Reports are that this off-season he stopped drinking soda, switching to water and homemade juices from his juicer. Is he taking a page out of the aged fitness guru Jack Lalanne?

    Maybe these juices put the tough back in the “Tough Juice.”

    I can’t think of any other worthy criticism. Butler is a talented player that any team would want. If he figures out how to stay healthy, expect Butler to crack SLAMonline’s top 25, well into the next decade.

    Notes
    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
    • Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
    • Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 8:08 am
      wtf???he’s not even better than arenas or jamison let alone good enough to be in the top 50!!!what a waste of a spot!!!

    • Bryan Crawford Posted: Sep.23 at 8:17 am
      Racine, WI… STAND UP!!

    • NoStra Posted: Sep.23 at 8:22 am
      butler a helluva playa

    • rikson Posted: Sep.23 at 8:24 am
      Better than Manu???? It doesnt matter if your counting the past stats or the output of each player coming season….. Maybe Im forgetting something, but I just dont get it! Can somebody please explain that ranking to me?!

    • brandon Posted: Sep.23 at 8:28 am
      miss spelling on the top, Caron Bulter

    • a_whiteman Posted: Sep.23 at 8:29 am
      Great story except when u mention the greatest of all time being kobe

    • Will Posted: Sep.23 at 8:31 am
      first of all, his all around game is better than Arenas and Jamison and he is well-deserving of a top 50 spot. I initially thought this was a little high for one of my favorite players but after reviewing the list, I don’t have a problem with him being ranked higher over anybody else that’s been on here. A healthy Manu ranks higher probably, but that might be about it

    • Hisham Posted: Sep.23 at 8:33 am
      kobesbestfriend is not very smart. Caron is the sh*t. Better than Manu? i don’t know.

    • Randy Brown Posted: Sep.23 at 8:34 am
      @a_whiteman - Read the Kobe bit again

    • a_whiteman Posted: Sep.23 at 8:36 am
      Manu gets no love just like the story said

    • Young C Posted: Sep.23 at 8:42 am
      Big ups to professional atheletes just now getting off of soda after 7 years in the league

    • matt the jazz fan Posted: Sep.23 at 9:03 am
      @young c - odom’s next

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 9:11 am
      a_whiteman, he called Kobe the best plyer named after beef…not the best player overall. It was a lame attempt at humor. This is a great spot for Caron. He’s always overlooked when comparing the best SF’s in the game, yet he gives them all the business.

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 9:19 am
      tough juice is a poor man’s carmelo thats all…trading him 4 kwame was the 2nd best deal the lakers ever made!and if danny granger makes it in the top 25 im canceling my subscription asap!!!

    • j Posted: Sep.23 at 9:36 am
      good spot for him he is a very good player

    • Young C Posted: Sep.23 at 9:37 am
      If Iguodala isnt in the top 50, Im canceling my subscription asap

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 9:50 am
      kobesbestfriend, that was a good trade for the Lakers, because Kwame turned into the salary match they needed to get Gasol. However, Butler>every other Laker SF since Worthy

    • a_whiteman Posted: Sep.23 at 9:51 am
      I missed that part, just got angry when I saw that. I wonder where granger will end up

    • IndyB Posted: Sep.23 at 10:07 am
      Mr. Batcave is top 25 because he can do everything and he is still getting better.

    • IndyB Posted: Sep.23 at 10:07 am
      Mr. Batcave is top 25 because he can do everything and he is still getting better.

    • My Crossover Killed a Man Posted: Sep.23 at 10:32 am
      Tough Juice? Pause City!!!!!!

    • Clockwork Posted: Sep.23 at 10:35 am
      Tough Juice!!! One of my favorite players ever. Not sure he’s better than Ginobili though

    • Hisham Posted: Sep.23 at 10:39 am
      kobesbestfriend: Butler is nothing like melo. stupid comparison. sorry but you just keep proving your lack of a functioning brain

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 10:41 am
      mr batcave isnt better than tough juice or agent zero!

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 10:48 am
      butler plays just like melo only without all the ballhogging and jacking up illadvised shots

    • Mister T Posted: Sep.23 at 10:55 am
      Butler is garbage. Why there are 3 wizards in the top 50 is beyond me. You’ve already seen what these guys could do the past 2 years gilbert was hurt. They didn’t do much.

    • rainman10 Posted: Sep.23 at 10:58 am
      Granger is top 20 in the L. Guys like Butler, Jamison, Ginobili, Rashard aren’t going to get any better this year. Danny Granger is still getting better.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 10:59 am
      no he doesn’t. Butler 1)plays better D, 2)does more slashing and pulling up from midrange-whereas Melo posts more, 3)doesn’t really hit the offensive boards, 4)doesn’t get to the line nearly as much as Melo, 5)is a better dribbler. Neither player qualifies as a ballhog (Melo is actually a VERY UNSELFISH player, just not a creator).

    • jasondolemite Posted: Sep.23 at 11:11 am
      @ kobesbestfriend, you have no idea what you are talking about. stay off the posts for a while cuz your just taking up space.

    • rikson Posted: Sep.23 at 11:17 am
      @travoris What about Rik Fox?

    • Klav Posted: Sep.23 at 11:21 am
      @tavoric don’t even bother responding to his ish. It’s all the same tired talk of not knowing the players. He’ll throw out whatever just to be relevant, when clearly the lack of knowledge shows.

    • Klav Posted: Sep.23 at 11:21 am
      *tavoris

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 11:22 am
      like i said…a poor man’s melo!nevertheless he doesnt deserve to be in the top 30!

    • Brad Long Posted: Sep.23 at 11:24 am
      LeBron, KD, and Melo are the only three small forwards I’d rather have on my team other than Caron and honestly it would depend on what kind of other offensive firepower I had on to determine between choosing between KD,Melo, and Tough Juice.

    • Klav Posted: Sep.23 at 11:24 am
      *co-sign jasondolemite
      It would be cool to think what it would have been like to have kept Caron in LA, but like tavoris already said, if it weren’t for Kwame then no Pau, and we all know how different it would have been without Pau. But hypothetically how ill would it be to have a starting lineup of Fish, Kobe, Caron, Pau, and Bynum…pretty crazy.

    • TADOne Posted: Sep.23 at 11:33 am
      Wow, you guys are really being tough on caron (no pun intended). Butler, when healthy, is a top 20 player in the NBA, IMO. There really is no weakness in Caron’s game. I’m quite sure the reason he gets a spot over Manu is because of the uncertainty on Manu being fully healthy when the season starts and the fact that Caron plays much better defense.

    • Caron>>>>>>>Iggy.(That’s way easy…).What if SLAM surprises us and (rightfully) let the jumper out of the top-50…???Nahh, that ain’t happening,too many highlight dunks….Caron is easily top-30 in the NBA and top-50 in the world.

    • CaTDoG2332 Posted: Sep.23 at 11:50 am
      No doubt SOFOKLIS…Iggy shouldnt even be on this list…if he cracks the top 20 it will be the biggest crime in all of sports

    • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.23 at 12:01 pm
      I agree with TADone. Calling Butler “garbage”, or that he doesn’t even belong in the top 50, makes me wonder if this is the first they’ve even heard of Caron Butler. Come on now. The guy is one of the better small forwards in the L, and if he stays healthy, like G-Dole said: there isn’t a team that wouldn’t want him on their roster.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.23 at 12:17 pm
      Six rebounds is kinda puny for a small forward. I like 8. But, given his defense, I’m a big fan of Caron. The problem in L.A. wasn’t just Kupchak, it was that Caron struggled to find his game in the triangle for some reason. He played like a bum in L.A., then blossomed in Washington.
      I don’t know if Caron is a better player than Manu, but since Manu is always injured, even moreso than Caron, I can see this ranking.

    • Bryan Posted: Sep.23 at 12:23 pm
      I thought he had a nice bounce back in la from a subpar year in miami but you’re right he wouldn’t have blossomed the way he has in dc. He is a better rebounder than the 6 suggests and I think he’s been in the mid sevens once or twice.

    • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.23 at 12:29 pm
      jhoward,ron ron,and james posey are all just as good as or if not better than tough juice…butler is a role player nothing more!

    • Pardeep Posted: Sep.23 at 12:50 pm
      Wheres Vince Carter been? Im preety sure he is in the next 3. My guess is 26 or 25.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.23 at 12:52 pm
      Okay James Posey is definitely not better than Butler… But I’d prefer Ron Artest. Caron averages around 20 ppg on the dot, and his other stats aren’t staggering, although 6 rpg is respectable. He’s really good but he sure isn’t better than Gilbert Arenas (obviously) and Antawn Jamison makes me wonder. Jamison has been the one uninjured Wizards’ player and he’s consistently put up better numbers than Butler (besides assists, since a lot of times Butler handles the ball and acts as playmaker)… This does not make sense. At all. But hey, why question a SLAM list when there’s NO criteria!

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.23 at 12:53 pm
      Its funny that a lot of generally underrated players in the NBA are usually OVERRATED by SLAM.

    • Allenp says___:”Six rebounds is kinda puny for a small forward. I like 8.”…..ONCE AGAIN(it won’t be the last): for those of you wondering how can it be so easy to figure out that some kids have NEVER really played bball and all their “knowledge” come from video games and fantasy leagues, well, Allenp is your answer!!! (although Jukai is the leading videogamer of this forum…). The good thing is that this false impression of mathematic excellence (that videogame success is creating to some kids) will provide us with good “clients” to support financial speculation all over the world. All i need to do is just wait for my little friends to become adults and start playing “fantasy stocks!!!” in wall street….Allenp, Jukai thanks in advance!!!!

    • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.23 at 1:12 pm
      Can’t believe I’m going to say this, but Sofo is right about your comment Allen.

    • TADOne Posted: Sep.23 at 1:22 pm
      Maybe Ron Ron, can James Posey and Josh Howard and not as good as Caron. Not really even really close. I think some of you guys need another sport to follow.

    • TADOne Posted: Sep.23 at 1:24 pm
      I need an editor. “But” and “are” should replace “can and “and”.

    • @onlyclipfanonslam….:1)please take your last comment back and start cursing on me.PLEEEASE!!…the kid can live with thinking that i am “s….d” but more people saying the same things might destroy his confidence…how is he going to ask girls out in a few years..?You want to live with this guilt…?? 2)Do you know that your team holds the NBA rights of the strongest bigman in the world at the moment(BIG-SOFO)?? Elton Brand was drooling 3 years ago at an interview right after our semifinal win over the U.S…

    • Michael Posted: Sep.23 at 1:32 pm
      i actually think this is a little too low for caron, outstanding all round player

    • Klav Posted: Sep.23 at 1:34 pm
      *co-sign TADOne. I’m sick of people just name dropping just for the sake of name dropping. Speak on what you know, otherwise just don’t say anything at all.

    • Eboy Posted: Sep.23 at 1:41 pm
      It’s sad to think that just a year ago…..SLAM’s website and it’s commenting community was the best in all of on-line sports reporting. The site is still fine……the rest of it? Well, just look above ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • christian wells Posted: Sep.23 at 1:41 pm
      Good spot 4 caron i like him and he’s better than ginobili,and i’m not jus say’n that bcuz i hate the spurs

    • @Eboy_____:exactly!!!!(once again your argumentation was solid…)

    • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: Sep.23 at 1:56 pm
      Like I said, I prefer small forwards, particularly those with Caron’s build, to average about 8 rebounds a game. I remember when Rashard Lewis was in Seattle he was killed for being weak on the boards and he was putting up seven a game from the three. I remember Melo getting killed for putting only seven boards a game.
      Small forwards should get eight boards a game in my opinion unless they are undersized. Caron is not undersized, thus I think he should be getting around eight boards a game, not six.
      Greek dude, your puerile rants are annoying, but a necessary side effect of free speech.
      Carry on.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.23 at 2:02 pm
      Sorry, that last comment by Slick Nick about rebounding was from me.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.23 at 2:14 pm
      I did a historical search to see if my expectations of Butler were off base, and found that I appear to be expecting too much from him. Given the stats of some of the all-time greats, six rebounds appears to be normal for modern small forwards.

    • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.23 at 2:15 pm
      Allen… make a list of SFs that average even 7 rebounds a game. Wait I’ll do it for you. 1. Crash 2. Bron. SF is a wing position, not really a premier position for banging the boards. Your expectations are too high, and if you think they are not your view on the game is skewed.

    • @Allenp….:stop this back & forth (that is agonizing all of us) and give us once and for all the answer that we are waiting desperatelly: YOU WILL FINALLY INCLUDE HIM AT YOUR FANTASY TEAM OR NOT????!!!! (man, i love this kid….)

    • TADOne Posted: Sep.23 at 2:25 pm
      Allen, the only SF who averaged more than 8 rebounds per game last season was Shawn Marion, who also moonlights as a PF. After that, the next highest was Gerald Wallace averaging 7.8, Bron at 7.6, Melo at 6.8, Durant at 6.5, Marvin Williams at 6.3, and then Caron at 6.2. Sure, Caron could average more boards, but his other stats make up for that.

    • Utah Jazz Blog Posted: Sep.23 at 2:33 pm
      I love Butler’s game and wish the Jazz could find a way to trade for him. Unfortunately I doubt the Wizards would want Boozer (the obviousy trading chip) since they already have Jamison. They don’t need 2 PFs who don’t play defense.

    • Utah Jazz Blog Posted: Sep.23 at 2:41 pm
      I’ve always liked Caron Butler’s game and wished the Jazz could find a way to trade for him. I doubt the Wizards would want Boozer (the obvious trade piece)since they already have Jamison. You don’t need two PFs who don’t play defense. (Sorry if this ends up being a duplicate post… I clicked submit but it never showed up)

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 2:42 pm
      ridiculous how some people carry the comments. Caron Butler deserves this spot. Not the best SF in the league, but probably the most complete SF in the league(until Bron fixes that J and actually plays consistent defense outside of blocking shots). kobesbesfriend is delusional. sofowhatthefuckever doesn’t realize that you don’t end a command with question marks. that is all.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 2:45 pm
      sofoklis, you don’t end commands with question marks. Also, since you are writing your thoughts, using parentheses to identify your thoughts is unnecessary-in additona to being improper. That is all.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 2:49 pm
      FAIL that my comment about his lack of grammatical etiquette has grammatical errors. fml

    • @tavoris….:you’ve read “Ulysses” ? (Does even the name James Joyce rings a bell to you ?) You read it and then we talk….that is all.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.23 at 2:56 pm
      Greek dude
      I don’t play fantasy sports. I find them ridiculous.
      TADONE and Clips fan
      I stand corrected. Clearly me thoughts about what a small forward should be doing are not in line with what is actually happening on the court. I’m not sure if this is because my expectations are unreasonable, or because the game has just changed.
      No matter, I was wrong.

    • @Allenp…:that was quite a mature stance. Hats off to you sir.

    • Anony Mous Posted: Sep.23 at 3:14 pm
      Guys who say players aren’t deserving of their ranking play NBA 2K9 way too much. The list just shows how valuable players are to their teams, not how well they could run the ship by them self. Obviously he isn’t the 28th most talented player, but you have to account the intangibles. This is right where Butler should be. He’s like the prototypical Wingman that doesn’t demand shots and does everything else with a bit of flare.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 3:48 pm
      SOFOKLIS, not only have I read it, but I’ve read the Odyssey, Aeneid and the Iliad as well…done quite a few Greek & Latin translations, as well. One that comments on the intelligence of others (negatively) often is trying to cover for their own “deficiencies”. Try it on somebody else’s watch.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 3:52 pm
      Allenp, don’t sweat it. 8 rpg is NOT unreasonable to expect from a prototypical SF in ANY era. Butler rebounds pretty well from his position, and it’s even more apparent when you see his rebounding prowess during the game. The numbers are misleading, because while Lebron gets them with athleticism, and Wallace gets them wit hustle, Butler gets them with positioning and smarts. That’s precisely why he was STILL as pretty good rebounder in an injury-plagued season.

    • TADOne Posted: Sep.23 at 4:42 pm
      Allenp: I wasn’t trying to show you up. I honestly wasn’t certain myself where the SF’s in the L ranked and decided to look it up.

    • nbk Posted: Sep.23 at 4:53 pm
      whats our one rule? E.L.E

    • Moose Posted: Sep.23 at 5:07 pm
      Rondooo……???

    • nbk Posted: Sep.23 at 5:19 pm
      good question Moose

    • Moose Posted: Sep.23 at 5:24 pm
      Yeah. I mean, Rajon is better than everyone 50-34, but he’s not worth this. Something is wrong.

    • Klav Posted: Sep.23 at 5:24 pm
      nbk, everbody love everybody? I forgot where that’s from. Semi-Pro?

    • nbk Posted: Sep.23 at 5:33 pm
      yeah

    • BREAKING NEWS!!!!: The moment that most everybody(?) was waiting for is about to come!! “Mama” finally answered your prayers and i was just informed (very politely)through e-mail that i have to “tone down my comments, follow the guidelines & stop disrupting the conversation” or else….since i honestly believe that i do nothing more than (occasionally) answer to posters that have repeatedly ridiculed my opinions-country-etc i do not plan to change my ways of writing(i have to admit that teasing some of you is a part of the fun here,of course that doesn’t mean i believe all i am writing). So, in case i never “see” you again i want to HONESTLY thank EVERYBODY for the wonderfull time i had in this forum. At the same time i have to thank SLAM (i understand the reasons why some things have to happen, i would maybe ban me if i were you) for giving me the oportunity to freely present my biased-stupid-whatever views on bball. As i’ve told in the past, in case ANYBODY of the guys here passes by Bucharest or Athens can come and find me (SLAM can make the link ,i guess). Have a nice NBA season and keep balling(my suggestion is to do it in reality, nothing against videogames,i’ve never played-not my age, i just find it more healthy physically & mentally) !!!!!!!! Once again, thank you.Good night.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.23 at 5:59 pm
      Tad and Tavoris
      Man, I don’t take it personally when I’m wrong. We’re here to talk basketball, I’m not going to be right all the time, no matter what I think.
      Ain’t no hard feelings.

    • Michael Posted: Sep.23 at 6:09 pm
      i love it when we get to this part of the list and it becomes painfully obvious someone of note will be left off

    • Sarah Posted: Sep.23 at 7:38 pm
      Not better than Manu.

    • Sarah Posted: Sep.23 at 7:39 pm
      And I like Caron. But he’s just not.

    • Dyce Posted: Sep.23 at 8:24 pm
      Caron is solid deserves the spot.

    • jdn41 Posted: Sep.23 at 8:29 pm
      d rose going to be way overated and rondo too, granger and durant are like pandora’s box good players on really bad teams and i just can’t accept anyone with a top 25 player status in the nba and never have hopes of making the playoffs for another couple of seasons that to me is just disturbing im starting to think jose calderon won’t be on this list as well

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.23 at 9:46 pm
      one poster up here posted the best news EVER…oh, and @Allenp, you are right so consistently, that your retraction was a little jarring.

    • nba Posted: Sep.23 at 11:39 pm
      Ginobili is better than Butler - undisputable.

    • ben hunter Posted: Sep.24 at 12:02 am
      BUTLER OVER GINOBILI???????????????? this is a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • jayweezy Posted: Sep.24 at 12:15 am
      this guy has no credibility… Caron Butler was a laker in the 04-05 season and none of u guys even picked it up. ahaha great basketball fans you are. you guys sure are intelligent

    • jayweezy Posted: Sep.24 at 12:16 am
      Caron was actually a laker in the 04-05. this guy has a lot of credibility…. along with you people who didnt pick it up. this whole page seems like a big joke to me

    • Anton Posted: Sep.24 at 12:21 am
      “Butler showing up at some suburban teen’s birthday party” Ah, young Jedi, Master Mamba has taught you well.

    • Player Posted: Sep.24 at 4:13 am
      Caron Butler is a great player.

    • Dacre Posted: Sep.24 at 4:23 am
      I don’t understand the IQ of a lot of guys commenting here… Lets break something down for everyone. The rankings found on here are for THIS PAST SEASON ONLY. It’s PURELY a stats/performance driven list. Gilbert will not feature on this list. So work it out/calm down/chill out. Caron was just outside of being an allstar this year, so anything within the top 30 is fine for this guy.

    • rikson Posted: Sep.24 at 5:06 am
      Just checked the sats of rick fox -> much worse than I thought….

    • Solon Posted: Sep.24 at 7:02 am
      Captin Jack >>>> Caron Butler He is getting hated on (like all Warriors) and he better make the list. He is better then everyone 35-50. Top SF in the League:
      In League by himself:
      LeBron
      The Next in Line:
      Melo
      KD
      The Rest:
      Granger
      Pierce
      Stack Jack
      Butler
      Gerald Wallace
      R Jeff
      Turkey
      Artest

    • LeoneL Posted: Sep.24 at 7:53 am
      @Eboy, maybe Slam should make people register before they can leave comments. It won’t stop them from saying idiotic things but it would be easy to ban them…again…and again. @Dacre: “Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.” So I guess SLAM is being just cautious thus putting Butler over the Wizards’ big two. If Agent Zero is indeed “back”, this projection is all wrong.

    • Hursty Posted: Sep.24 at 8:32 am
      The 5:42PM comment made my day.
      And when Slam finally releases it’s list of point rankings of how it all played out, it might only be 1 or 2 points separating Manu and Caron so chill.

    • K.a. Posted: Sep.25 at 9:32 am
      sofo imaginary sparring with allenp is highly entertaining. I cracked up at, allenp as video game playing teenager stereotype. Off the top of my hat, 8rpg is a good number for average starting PF. 8 to 10 was good for pippen better game. Mostly he’d go for 18 to 20, 7-7. Jordan would go for 30-6-6. A defensive, non playmaking SF like Marion can go 8rpg and above but he’s exceptional at rebounding.

    • Akash Kaushal Posted: Nov.7 at 2:59 pm
      Caron is a good player but he needs to pass the ball more and find more open looks for his
      teammates.

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