Tuesday, September 15th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  71 responses

Top 50: Hedo Turkoglu, no. 35

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Emry DowningHall / @EmryBib

I could attempt to validate Hedo Turkoglu’s position at No. 35 on the SLAMonline Top 50 list through a barrage of statistics, but I’ve elected to go another route.

In order to understand Hedo’s value, you have to buy into the most important element of the National Basketball Association – matchups. Keep in mind, I’m not talking aboutHedo Turkoglu the most important element of basketball in general; the N.B.A. tag is very important in the previous sentence.

Just as the scrappy, loose-ball snatching, charge taking, glue guys are essential to a team’s success at the high school level, players who make advanced scouts fax high priority adjustments to their team’s scouting reports are coveted in the N.B.A. Of course, the latter are coveted in high school as well, they’re just far less common.

Hedo Turkoglu is a 6-10 Turkish mismatch for opposing defenses. Since the ability to create matchup problems is a skill that can’t be taught, it’s why Hedo belongs in the elite class of small forwards in the league. It’s also the reason he hasn’t stopped smiling since inking that five-year, $53-million dollar deal, which will have him suiting up for the Toronto Raptors next season.

Holding down the moniker of “The Michael Jordan of Turkey,” Hedo’s game is actually more closely related to Scottie Pippen’s. Although rarely found in a defensive stance, offensively Hedo has been able to craft a unique and potent combination of size, range, and excellent court vision – much like Central Arkansas’s finest.

Last season, when Jameer Nelson separated his shoulder, prior to the Rafer Alston acquisition, Stan Van Gundy often turned to Turkoglu to keep defenses from adjusting to Anthony Johnson’s pacing, and to run different sets. Already massive for the three spot, Turkoglu’s ability to handle the basketball puts opposing defenders on their heels and allows him to dictate the tempo of the game.

The versatility we’ve seen in his five seasons in Orlando is a yawning chasm from the skill set with which he entered the N.B.A. Although effective at points during his first three years in Sacramento, he was cemented in the rotation behind Peja Stojakovic on a veteran team built to compete with the Lakers dynasty. Turkoglu was often regarded as soft and little more than a spot up shooter in both Sacramento and San Antonio, but his decision to sign with Orlando put his career back on track.

As his minutes and responsibilities increased with the Magic, he became more comfortable putting the ball on the floor. As a result, Hedo has been able to improve his first step, forcing defenders to play him honestly without face guarding. While nobody’s confusing him with Tim Hardaway, his combination of deep range, quick release, advanced passing ability, fade away and a competent first step allow him to choose his spots on offense.

You’re still skeptical? Fine. Let me put it this way: Why do you think Stan Van Gundy consistently called Hedo’s name as the first option in Orlando when the Magic were down to their last possession? Historically, the answer can be found here, here, and here; but before that precedent was set, why Hedo? Certainly Stan realized that 2009 NBA All-Star Rashard Lewis was in his huddle, right? The $120 million man was eligible for those final field-goal attempts, as was 2009 NBA All-Star Jameer Nelson and Superman himself, Dwight Howard. Yet time and time again it was Hedo’s weathered face triumphantly skipping back to the Magic bench poppin’ his No. 15 jersey in celebration.

The separation from his peers lies in his versatility. Hedo is able to catch the ball, read the defense and then take what he’s given. Take the game winner he hit against the 76ers in the first round of the 2009 playoffs. Thaddeus Young received a lot of criticism for not face guarding Hedo at the three point line, and while Young could have played him closer and shaded him toward help defense, that clip is a testament to Hedo’s versatility. Young figured if he pushed up on Hedo he would drive past him, but if he gave him space at least he could get a hand up on the shot. The problem is that the hand doesn’t matter because Hedo regularly shoots over top of his defenders.

Hedo joins Toronto as an established forward on a team hoping to bounce back from a disappointing season. Although his greatest success in a Raptors uniform would be convincing Chris Bosh to re-sign with the franchise, that responsibility falls on Jerry Colangelo, who put this team together. On the court, Hedo’s presence will help space the floor for both Bosh and Bargnani and take some pressure off of Calderon. If the Raptors are able to get anything out of DeRozan this season, it should be enough to be more than respectable in the East.

Hedo will have plenty of opportunity to improve on his personal statistics and perhaps his rank on next years SLAM Top 50. While accolades are nice, and free agent dollars are lovely, success in Toronto will ultimately be measured by wins, losses and Bosh’s signature on an extension.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Solon Posted: Sep.15 at 8:03 am
    hmmm, i guess he had to come somewhere…He is overrated though

  • Solon Posted: Sep.15 at 8:07 am
    I also start wondering if any Warriors are gonna be on here. Is there any love for Monta and Captin Jack? I mean, I think they are both better then Ray Ray or Turk, but I’m a Warriors fan, so of course I do. I knew Beans or Anthony Randolph getting on the list was a long shot at best, but Monta and Jack? They are clean…

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: Sep.15 at 8:10 am
    Errrr..UUUhhhh MMmmm.. Maybe.

  • Ouse Posted: Sep.15 at 8:15 am
    Too high for Hedo. Nice write up though Emry

  • if you had seen Hedo at the European championship the past 2 weeks you would have thought that the guy ain’t even top-200….at the same time it is funny how we are going to have Carter, Devin Harris and Iguodala(that’s the funniest of em all)over Hedo but you know how it works here….i wonder if we’ll also see Richard Jefferson in this top-50 (you don’t believe that there is such a possibility..? wait and see….19.6>16.8 plus Richard has been in the dunk contest!!!)

  • DP Posted: Sep.15 at 8:51 am
    6-10 point foward basically. Jameer nelson even gave the ball to this guy when they were bringing it up court. He was the only true playmaker that the magic had so I think this ranking fits him just right. play wit it.

  • NC Posted: Sep.15 at 8:54 am
    Wrong Colangelo.

  • Clark Posted: Sep.15 at 9:22 am
    I still think Rashard Lewis is more valuable that Turk, but this ranking isn’t far off. I think that Stephen Jackson will still make the list… If Kevin Martin made it, Capt Jack better make it.

  • T Money Posted: Sep.15 at 9:30 am
    I can’t really hate on this ranking. It will be interesting to watch the Magic implode this year.

  • Im takeing most players listed so far over Turk.

  • ENDS Posted: Sep.15 at 9:41 am
    It seems the Stories of Our Demise have been Greatly Exagerated.

  • Vittorio De Zen Posted: Sep.15 at 9:55 am
    Versatility is great and all, but defense counts for something too. This is well-written, but #35 is a huge stretch. At the end of the year we might be looking at him as the 4th best player on his team.

  • Milan Posted: Sep.15 at 10:20 am
    Good read Emry. I still think Orlando should not have let Hedo go. VC is on the books for 33 million in the next 2 years, with a 3rd year team option at 18 million, which is around what Hedo got paid in Toronto. I think Otis Smith panicked a bit prematurely, considering this is still a young team inexperienced in the Finals that faced a Lakers team that was in the same position just a year ago. I think another year playing together, Dwight working on his post game, Rashard finally learning to get off the 3point line during the playoffs and use his advantage, as well as 2nd year Courtney Lee just growing would have been a force to reckon with. What do you think?

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.15 at 10:37 am
    I don’t know how good he’ll be in Toronto, but I loved him in Orlando, and he is without a doubt the biggest All-Star snub of the last two years aside from Deron. (and at least with Deron theres a decent argument for the guys picked over him).
    I’ve seen him play live and is incredibly smart with his passes off the pick and roll, great player, one of my favourites in the league

  • Duiduidui Posted: Sep.15 at 10:38 am
    Jerry Colangelo ??? The GM of the Raptors is BRYAN COLANGELO.

  • Z Posted: Sep.15 at 10:43 am
    To anyone who says that he is overrated and that Shard is better : why was there never ANY doubt about who was getting the ball in crunch time? Hedo is a killer.

  • Z Posted: Sep.15 at 10:45 am
    I don’t think he’s a great fit for Toronto though, Calderon handles the ball a lot so his playmaking skills won’t be as needed. Can’t blame him for taking the $ though. It has to sting a little when you’re better than the other forward on your team but he is making twice as much.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 10:49 am
    @Vittorio: Defense counts but Hedo’s not completely inept on the defensive end. As I said, he wont be confused with Pippen anytime soon but all he had to do in Orlando was get a hand up and if his man beats him, let Dwight beat that up.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 10:50 am
    @Milan: I agree with you 100% but part of that was Hedo’s doing as well. I like Hedo better than Vince and I also wonder why the Gortat/Bass money wouldn’t have been better spent on Turk. I think you make a great point about a team being “close” and not having to panic. Dwight will improve, Meer will be healthy. A few plays break there way and they are right in that finals.

  • Chris Posted: Sep.15 at 10:51 am
    35… yeah, thats about right. i don’t like Turk, but common guys. He is a 6’10″ wing who shoots well and is a great playmaker, better point/forward than Odom, and i’m an Odom fan.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 10:52 am
    @Duiduidui: Absolutely right. That’s what happens when you’re typing with one eye open… hopefully you got my point.

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.15 at 11:10 am
    I don’t care where you rank him, he still looks like Sloth from the Goonies.

  • Wayno Posted: Sep.15 at 11:18 am
    meh, I honestly think he’s not gonna do that great in Toronto this year. He’s still as clutch as they come though. I would a had him in the low 40′s though.

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  • Z Posted: Sep.15 at 11:26 am
    Emry, that’s what I don’t get about the move. Letting Turk go because there was no money left, I can understand that. Then you turn around and spend his money on Gortat and Bass… what?! A Jameer-Vince-Turk-Shard-Dwight line up would have been just plain silly.

  • AB_40 Posted: Sep.15 at 11:47 am
    he do he does he did. hedo turkgolu for three on of the best lines in nba tv history haha

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 11:52 am
    @Z: Yea, that’s pretty indefensible. That’s the point I tried to convey in this article… Hedo’s value is on the court. He makes his teammates better. He makes Dwight, Shard, Meer better and more valuable players. His numbers don’t show his full value and he will be missed down in Orlando for sure. Not that Bass and Gortat are bad fits, but the lineup you mentioned forces teams to matchup TO YOU vs. you trying to out talent another team.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.15 at 11:57 am
    I think the lineup orlando has now will be fine , I think hedo is good and all but I was never sold on him as a star.

  • Aaron Posted: Sep.15 at 11:59 am
    I’ll definitely be expecting a Stephen Jackson entry soon… Right? There’s no way he could be left off this list, particularly given he’s better than like 75% of the players named thus far. Nice write-up on Hedo, though. Not exactly a fan – and I think he’s quickly ascended the ranks to become the most overrated NBA player – but his production the last 2 years has been undoubtedly solid.

  • Matthew Posted: Sep.15 at 12:01 pm
    Bryan colangelo is the puzzle master, not jerry!! we don’t need bosh anymore!! we got hedo!!

  • whalleywhat Posted: Sep.15 at 12:02 pm
    I think you’re wrong and hope you’re right. Hedo was the worst move BRYAN Colangelo made this offseason imo.

  • matt the other jazz fan Posted: Sep.15 at 12:09 pm
    best player on the magic last season

  • Chukaz Posted: Sep.15 at 12:10 pm
    Hedo ain’t that big of a mismatch. If this dude could play some pf then yeah he would be a big time mismatch but he doesn’t play any 4 at all. You’ll never see this dude in the post which eliminates the mismatch because he got wing players defending him on the wing. BTW this dude ain’t better than any of the dudes listed below him

  • doyouwantmore Posted: Sep.15 at 12:13 pm
    Hedo’s the best. My wife is Japanese and calls him Busaiku-Chan, which is an affectionate way of saying “Mr. Ugly-Wugly”

  • Z Posted: Sep.15 at 12:22 pm
    The regular season barely matters for Boston, Cleveland and Orlando. It’s all about the playoffs and the playoffs are all about the matchups. Cleveland feels good sticking Bron on Shard and Andy V on Bass. That’s not a problem. Andy V on Shard was a problem. D-West on Turk was a problem. Those problems are gone.

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:36 pm
    If he never left san antonio, the spurs would have still been dominant the last couple of seasons. He’s toni kukoc smart with a complete arsenal and clutch as hell. Not counting his 4 bricks from the line in the finals. And @ chukaz: You’re wrong about him not playing the post. He’s a very good rebounder and offensively down low, he’s got an excellent back to the basket game he rarely uses because he’s always the one orchestrating. One of the more complete players. Good read!

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.15 at 12:42 pm
    @ z: i’m with you on this one. Turk killed us last year and that’s gone but orlando’s still gonna be a tough matchup with vince. I think vince will have a great year now he’s injury-free. Worried about boston though. The marquis daniels acquisition is not talked about but should be. That was a great pick-up for boston.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 12:43 pm
    @doyouwantmore: Busaiku-Chan? Kawaii-So Hedo!

  • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.15 at 12:59 pm
    The only reason why his shots loko so impossible is because he can’t get any separation from his defenders lol

  • UnRel Posted: Sep.15 at 1:01 pm
    Hedo’s value isn’t for him to be a star.. it’s to allow the “stars” to be better..

  • RM Posted: Sep.15 at 1:03 pm
    cosign b.long – ‘hey you guyyyyysssss’

  • broheim Posted: Sep.15 at 1:29 pm
    to whoever said hedo wouldnt fit into torontos system b/c of calderon and his need to handle the ball. look at nelson, in orlandos system, same thing, nelson is a shoot 1st pg. just sayin..

  • desmon Posted: Sep.15 at 2:29 pm
    Z- I dont know who the fukk you are but The PROBLEMS CLEVELAND HAS VERSUS ORLANDO IS Turk doesn’t show up every game. I remember Lebron shooting a wide open three to prevent the sweep, and who was guarding him? HEDO TORKEYGLU, the one player who shouldn’t have been given a Wide open three. Worst defense I’ve ever seen. -

  • desmon Posted: Sep.15 at 2:39 pm
    Wdf is the point of being 6’11 if you jump 5 inches off the ground

  • la huey Posted: Sep.15 at 2:50 pm
    glad he left orlando and even happier he didn’t land in portland

  • Mike Klander Posted: Sep.15 at 3:13 pm
    Jerry Colangelo? I think you mean Bryan Colangelo but I get your point. I think this didn’t really need too much explanation from where I stand. While I do think he’s overpaid now, he has been one of the more underrated players in this league.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 3:28 pm
    @Mike: My Colangelo error was addressed earlier in the comments. @Desmon: Are you talking about Lebrons fall away 3 to win game 2? I thought Hedo played great D preventing the back door and then challenging a fall away trey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvTLOhm-TQ

  • Raptor Posted: Sep.15 at 3:40 pm
    I think Hedo’s playmaking would be the biggest thing he brings to the raps. The raptors clearly lacked on the playmaking from with wings last year and that killed them. He should make Bosh & Bargnani a whole lot better. I wonder how well he would be able to groom Demar Derozan. If Bosh brings it on the defensive side (like hes been saying in the summer (gaining 15 pounds)) and if Hedo + Derozan can play good defense than i think the Raps would be a really good team.

  • Joel O's Posted: Sep.15 at 3:50 pm
    Raps still need rebounding. But Hedo is a good addition. How he fits in with Calderon in terms of playmaking will be key.

  • Joel O's Posted: Sep.15 at 3:52 pm
    I loved the writeup by the way. And am impressed that the Slam staff put him here, ahead of Rashard and Jameer. Hedo was the best player on the Magic not named Dwight Howard last season.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.15 at 4:31 pm
    Hedo in Toronto won’t be the same as last year, I’d prefer having Jamison instead of him

  • Jacob J Posted: Sep.15 at 4:36 pm
    Hedo is like a Peja but can handle and drive to the hoop better than Peja.

  • Lakets Posted: Sep.15 at 5:18 pm
    So no Lamar Odom OR Andrew Bynum… would expect at least one to make it…

  • Taranvir Posted: Sep.15 at 6:05 pm
    yay a toronto player made it woot!!!

  • ol'skool Posted: Sep.15 at 6:13 pm
    Hedo’s a beast.

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.15 at 6:40 pm
    Ray Allen is way better. I would take Ray over Turk on most teams in the league. I hope VC is top 30 he deserves it he put up 20,5 and 5 and is going to do more for Orlando than Turk.

  • BossTerry Posted: Sep.15 at 6:46 pm
    Turkey glow is better then Peja now, but Peja has been slowed by nagging injuries.. In a injury-free world Id take Peja over the Turk.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.15 at 7:13 pm
    Pardeep, Turkoglu is more versatile and picks up the numbers in more categories than Ray.

  • Emry DowningHall Posted: Sep.15 at 7:52 pm
    You guys have to keep in mind that this list is based off production for next season so Ray Allen is still playing the 3rd leading role in Boston while Turk is going to be the #2 in Toronto and often the #1 when people are cheating on the entry passes into Bosh. Calderon is a true PG and going to let him get his. Overall, clearly Ray has had more impact on the NBA than Turk. – Also, thanks for all the comments, I appreciate the feedback fellas.

  • Netbook Reviews Posted: Sep.15 at 8:10 pm
    Hedo is the best:) Keep going Hidayet Turkoglu.

  • chintao Posted: Sep.15 at 11:01 pm
    Booo. Not better than Artest.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.16 at 1:23 am
    @ Joel: How about Amir Johnson and Reggie Evans and Chris Bosh? And an improving Andrea Bargnani? That’s a huge improvement over last year in terms of rebounding and just size/inside presence in general.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.16 at 1:25 am
    Turk’s spot is pretty alright on this list, but pretty much everyone listed in the 40′s-50 deserve to be way higher, especially Iverson, Davis, and Artest.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.16 at 1:28 am
    Offensively, Hedo was the best player on the Magic. Dwight puts up good scoring numbers, but come on now. I want to see some better free throws and a wider range of post moves before we start saying he’s the best center offensively.

  • @Teddy….:especially Iverson!!!
    @everybody….:Hedo was the third best player on the floor in last years finals (after Kobe & Gasol). Dwight was fifth (after Lamar).WAKE UP!!!

  • EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP UPDATE. Last day of the group stage yesterday for the fifth group and the first place was at stake at the match between France and Greece. It was a really strange situation cause the winner would finnish first and would play the 4th team from the other group,typically the weakest, that in our case is propably Spain. So we could say that it was better to lose and finish 3rd and propably avoid Spain (and play against Tourkey for example). Both team enter the game strong and Greece took an early lead but then France ,led by Parker, came back and remained ahead for the rest of the first half. In the second half Greece took again the lead and the teams were tied 20″ before the end after a some big plays from Spanoulis. Decolo made a big shoot under pressure in the last possesion and France took the win. It was a huge surprise not only because Greece is widly considered a better team but also because we had never lost from France in the last 26 years. France always had the athletic superiority (with great athletes in the past also,they just weren’t so well known in the states like the current ones) but Greece had the bball smarts and discipline. Parker was good in that game and Batum continued his strong play in the tournament. Also that Decolo guy is really good while Bokolo showed again his Iverson-like athletisism.For Greece, Spanoulis was again the best, Fotsis missed many open 3′s, Sofoklis was very good but the big gain for us was the play of Nick Kalathes who finally played without commiting mistakes(silly and unaxceptable for the european standards, usual for the U.S. ones) made some steals and gave some rest to Zisis and Spanoulis. The big game now for us will be on Friday. Stay tuned!!!

  • karan Posted: Sep.16 at 5:39 am
    iverson is 35 times better than hedo

  • HerBe C Posted: Sep.21 at 5:05 am
    Hedo is a good solid player, and yes, he creates match up problem for some teams because of his size , ball handling skill, and play making ability. However, I think he is over rated. I don’t mean toronto pays him too much, 10 mil a yr isn’t that bad, when Gortat makes 6,7 mil a yr. I really don’t understand what magic is doing, even gortat was ready to leave…. Orlando magic system makes hedo looks better, not the other way around.

  • PIERREMANU Posted: Sep.22 at 8:56 pm
    Hido’s performance in Eurobasket 2009 was not good but he has a problem in his knee and he played all matches in this handicapped condition.

  • KH Posted: Oct.16 at 4:10 pm
    No way. Hedo is a fine player but he is mediocre on defense and getting older. As a matter of fact he slipped pretty significantly between 07/08 season and the 08/09 season. He got slapped by Igoudala in the first round of the play-offs. What I don’t like about these rankings is there almost no use of statistics just a bunch of fan-boying and hyperbole.

  • [...] SLAM ONLINE | » Top 50: Hedo Turkoglu, no. 35 – The versatility we’ve seen in his five seasons in Orlando is a yawning chasm from the skill set with which he entered the N.B.A. Although effective at points during his first three years in Sacramento, he was cemented in the rotation behind Peja Stojakovic on a veteran team built to compete with the Lakers dynasty. Turkoglu was often regarded as soft and little more than a spot up shooter in both Sacramento and San Antonio, but his decision to sign with Orlando put his career back on track. [...]

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