Thursday, September 3rd, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  91 responses

Top 50: Jason Kidd, no. 45

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Chris O’Leary

Will Funn and Jason Kidd have never met. I’m almost certain of it.

Funn, 27, is a 6-3 point guard who dropped oodles of dimes when he played at Portland State. He actually led the NCAA in assists in ’04–05. His semi-pro career has taken him to Mexico, England and by a random twist of fate, to Edmonton, Alberta Canada. Funn ran the point tJason Kiddhis spring for the Edmonton Energy of the International Basketball League.

If the league had a Most Valuable Player and if I had a say in determining who got that non-existent award, I would say that it should have went to Funn. He averaged 14 points, 12 assists and 8.9 rebounds in Edmonton, leading them to a league-best record.

While Funn’s coaches and teammates will remember him as the catalyst to their run-and-gun offense, I’ll remember him for one thing: he made me appreciate Jason Kidd.

Over the last seven or eight years, I’d downplayed JKidd’s game.

I knew he was good in Dallas and Phoenix. I knew that in his New Jersey days, he was a true triple-threat for every minute he spent on the floor. He’d reel off triple-doubles the way that Shaq drops LOL’s on the end of his tweets.

The thing was, though, that the triple-double was very rarely the overwhelming, oh-my-god-did-you-see-what-JKidd-did-last-night kind of line. He’d hit the floor, do a little bit of everything and his team won. A lot. His stat line would often read 14 points, 12 rebounds, 13 assists. My brother and I started calling these low double-digit triple-dips “Jason Kidd Triple-Doubles.” They were nice, but not eye-popping. The fact that he did it so regularly actually worked against him when we watched him.

Over a two-month span, Will Funn changed that for me. With a courtside seat, I watched this guy become the embodiment of his job title. Defenses wilted when he pushed the rock. He’d grab a rebound on the defensive end and be gone up the court before the big man he out-rebounded would have a stride behind him. Guards and forwards would be on their heels as they backpedaled, trying to figure out what would come next.

Would he drive and draw the double, then kick it out to a dead-eye three-point shooter on the wing? Would he lose his defenders on a spin-dribble and drop the ball in the hoop like he was the only one on the court? Was there a trailer on the break, salivating at the prospect of lowering the boom on his opponents? The same questions would come up all night. The answer: 15 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists. And another W.

Seeing these subtle Jason Kidd triple-doubles up close had me mentally backpedaling like one of the guys who had to guard Funn. I wanted more of JKidd, Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn and Jayson Williams…er, maybe Dikembe Mutombo. But of course, it’s gone.

In his second run in Dallas, Kidd isn’t the same player he was. Known as -ason Kidd in his prime, a jab at his lack of a jumper, he may as well be Jason Ki– in the present. Once feared across the League on the defensive end of the floor, his age seems to be catching up to him. He might be producing at a decent clip, but the stops aren’t there like they used to be. In signing Kidd to a $25 million, three-year deal with the Mavs, maybe Mark Cuban sees something that we don’t; maybe he inked the point guard wearing a retro Mavs Kidd jersey and an old pair of Zoom 95s. We’ll find out this year.

While the triple-doubles don’t come as often as they used to, they’re still there some nights. His three of them in ’08-09 were third-most in the League, behind LeBron (7) and Chris Paul (6). A MVP candidate in New Jersey, Kidd is still an adequate point guard, who finished fifth in the league in assists (8.7 per game), and averaged 9 points and 6 rebounds a night last season.

I talked with one of Will Funn’s teammates at the end of their season in July. As the marksman on the wing in my earlier scenario, the guy told me he might have had a triple-double once in his life. To almost average one? To even be a threat for one every night? It was unimaginable to him.

“I’ll tell you this,” he said to me, in full on admiration of the guy. “That was the best point guard I’ve ever played with. He made this so much fun.”

I’d imagine Kenyon Martin, Kittles, Van Horn and a slew of other NBA players would say the same for Jason Kidd.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    He didn’t deserve an mvp.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Why didn’t he deserve MVP?

  • tavoris

    Bryan, Jet might not make the list, if Howard and Kidd are so low on it.

  • Double J

    I like Cottage Cheese.

  • Double J

    Tavoris: Marion, Dirk, Howard, Kidd… that’s four bro w/o Jet

  • Double J

    Tavoris: Kidd, Howard, Marion, Dirk. That’s four w/o Jet bro.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i dont know about this….

  • ENDS

    its gonna be a cold day when Kidd Hill Shaq retire. They are the Last remaning link to the Old school.

  • ENDS

    its gonna be hilarious how every dude from 49-36 is gonna be examined by all asked is he better than AI. Slam should have just put Kidd at 50 and AI at 49-45

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    No way in hell Marion is a top 50 player. I will never buy slam again if they say someone who averages 12 points a game and has a terrible attitude is in the top 50 percentile of the NBA. This is a promise.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Shawn Marion: 12 Points 8 Rebounds 2 assists. No way in hell he gets in the Top 50 based on anything other than his name and what Steve Nash/Mike D’Antoni helped him do.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    BETCATS, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace average those numbers (or at least really close to it)

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    nvm. kidd averaged 9 points.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Co sign bet.
    Rainman, he was in consideration for making the nets better than they were the previous year like he was a savior, meanwhile the year he arrived like magic kenyon martin,kerry kittles and keith van horn were all healthy the whole year.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Un co sign the part about never buying slam again.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    shia, you dont need to take my oath. And i think Kidd is still a great play maker, that is why i am happy he is ranked here, and can ‘live with it’. I also think Rasheed Wallace does not deserve to make this list. He is lazy and old with a great attitude. I love him in a non-relationship seeking way, but he is no longer a top 50 player. But i do think that Shawn will make this list, and since i am not a slam subscriber i just wont buy 1-2 issues then forget why i am not buying it anymore and feel stupid. Until that all happens all i got to say is……………..

  • tavoris

    I guess no one picked up that i didnt mention marion 4 a reason…

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Bryan at 6:02 pm
    You do realize you described the EXACT same situation that happened to Steve Nash right?
    With the EXACT same player, one Stephon Marbury, right?
    Just making sure you were aware of that.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    The suns made a playoff run with marbury at the helm , but they went from good to regular season great when nash got signed. He took the same HEALTHY roster Marbury had and won 18 more games with it, Jason Kidd inherited an entire starting line up. The season before kidd arrived, Marbury missed 15 games, Kmart 14 games , KVH 33 games. Their best post player was Arron Williams, The player with the second most points on the team? Johnny f*cking Newman. It’s not even comparable in my book. I know you think Nash is overrated, I happen to disagree , but I still think Jason Kidd got unjust praise in that New Jersey situation.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Lucious Harris and Evan Eschmeyer(!) started 50 games! The next season along with jason kidd they got a starting two guard and a full season from their starting small foward AND drafted richard jefferson. I’m betting marbury could have won with those guys. Maybe not a finals trip , but definitley playoffs.

  • MR4U

    Marbury can dance.

  • eball

    I’m from Edmonton and went to Energy games; Funn can’t shoot to save his life. In halfcourt sets his defenders just gave him ten feet and he couln’t do anything at all…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Bryan: Are you joking? Jason Kidd didn’t bring his team to playoff greatness? I don’t think you know what the Finals are. And I also don’t think you know how contradictory you’re being in your praise for Steve Nash. I mean, Kidd did BETTER with Marbury’s former team than Nash did, and suddenly Kidd got unjust praise? Really?
    I never knew Kidd had the privilege of playing with Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa, Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw, and Raja Bell like Nash did.
    Who exactly did Kidd have again? Oh yeah, Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson. And Kerry Kittles.
    In case you didn’t know, that Suns teams looks a lot better than that Nets team.
    I’m not the world’s biggest Jason Kidd fan, and he definitely isn’t top 28 of all time, but how can his praise be “unjust” when he didn’t even win the MVP award that he deserved?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    My point teddy, is that jason kidd didn’t get “marbury’s former team” he basically got an all new lineup to play with. Steve nash actually got marbury’s team and played better with them. Everyone knows its much harder to leap from good to great than from bad to good. I also said jason kidd didn’t deserve the mvp, what exactly does a run to the finals have to do with a regular season mvp? Ask dirk about that. Kidd was amazing in the playoffs that year and would have deserved a finals mvp had the nets won , but a guy shooting 38% from the floor shouldn’t win an mvp unless this is 1958 and nobody told me. Nash on the other hand( although I think the two circumstances are unrelated ill continue) played better offensively than any guard in the league his two mvp years. The only thing keeping steve nash from being a truly great point guard is defense, but me personally? I’d rather have a guy who can score from anywhere and set people up to score from anywhere than a guy who can’t score but plays better defense. I like jason kidd I just think he’s overrated. I always will he’s a great great player one of the all time greats but not as good as people make him out to be.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m actually kinda skeptical of your overall basketball knowledge now. Are you seriously saying that Steve Nash in his pseudo-MVP days was better than J. Kidd in his prime? Oh lawd.

  • Furious

    Just wondering, by saying that Kidd deserved the MVP in 01-02, does that mean you think Tim Duncan didn’t deserve his? He averaged close to 26 and 13, with 4 assists and 2.5 blocks to go with it, on a team which won 58 games! Bit of respect for Timmy would be nice guys

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    I don’t think that’s what I said but that never stopped you from putting words in my mouth before.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    What I said was. Steve nash deserved his mvp , jkidd did not deserve his mvp consideration. Then again I actually would take 18 points 11 assists 4 rebounds and 50 40 90 shooting over 15 points 9 assists 6 rebounds and 38 32 and 80 shooting. And its not like nash got torched by scrubs he got torched by chris paul and deron williams and tony parker , three guys who torch everyone.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    But before you question my basketball knowledge because I couldn’t have that, I’m not saying nash is better I’m saying that I would rather have him on my team than jason kidd.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Kids, kids, kids.
    Bryan is 100% right about Steve Nash’s improvement of the Phoenix Suns team being vastly more impressive than Jason Kidd’s pseudo revival of the Nets franchise.
    Bryan is wrong to think that Kidd didn’t deserve an MVP, or that he should take Kidd over Nash.
    And of course, Bryan in actuality isn’t right OR wrong since it’s all damn opinion.
    I’m sure people would think I am wrong to think that the gap between Kidd and Nash is much closer than people are comfortable to admit.

  • http://Www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    Ha! The Bowen collector has retired. The great scourge of nba SG’s /SF’s has left the building. Hallelujah, no more undercutting, tripping, elbow tapping “greatness”. So who is Pop grooming to be his next villain who shall take on the high flying backourt elite of the league..surely not RJ????

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    I think Duncan, Shaq, Kobe and Tmac all had better seasons than Jason Kidd did that year, otherwise co sign jukai.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Bryan: Going from bad to great is easier than good to great? Are you seriously trying to tell me that Steve Nash getting to the conference finals/second round with a team of AMARE STOUDEMIRE, SHAWN MARION, LEANDRO BARBOSA, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, a good Q Rich, and for some time JOE JOHNSON, is harder than Jason Kidd going to the FINALS with a line-up of Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, and Kerry Kittles? What?! Nash had at least 2-3 All-Stars and way better teammates than Kidd ever had in New Jersey. Vince Carter doesn’t count. And I never said Nash didn’t deserve his first MVP, because he did.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jason Kidd definitely deserved to be considered for MVP. Regardless, Tim Duncan did have a great year too. But the key word is considered.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Bryan: Better, but not necessarily more valuable. Jason was invaluable to his team full of finishers who couldn’t create shots. I mean, no one was more valuable to that team than Kidd. Duncan was insane, best PF of all time, but I probably would have given one to Kidd.
    It’s entirely possible I’m only saying that looking back and seeing that Kidd never won an MVP, but I woulda.
    T-Mac was insane back then, sigh…

  • ab_40

    oyu suck at captivieing our imagination with your writing.

    him here on the list is ok I can live with it. problem is almost no teams make a game plan for J-Kidd no more he can’t take folk off the dribble anymore and he’ll produce in dallas IF howard can start playing off of him

  • http://www.laumol.nl/weblog Laumol

    The triple doubles are nice but why I keep wearing his jerseys are the passes. Every guy on the floor loves to score. Some love to rebound, some love to defend. Jason absolutely LOVES passing and it shows. He will never be remembered like his hero Magic but he created a nice space for himself in Bball-history. In my book at least.

  • karan

    this is more an article about how good jason kidd USED TO BE as compared to how good he IS NOW. he defintately ISN’T top 50, or better than allen iverson.

  • http://teddyareyoukidding.com nbk

    what kidd did for the nets is pretty obviously more impressive then what nash did for the suns, considering Kidd saw the finals twice.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Smack my b!tch up

  • Solon

    PG’s control the NBA now. To be an elite team, you need a PG that can make everyone around them better. Or a superduperstar SG/SF, and a PG that can manage the game (a la Fisher, Mo Williams (overrated), etc.). Like QB’s in the NFL. The way that J Kidd can get better shots for everyone else on his team will make him more valuable next season then Iverson will on Bobcats/Grizz/etc.
    Nash did play in the West against wayyyyy tougher competition then J Kidd did in the LEast…

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