Thursday, September 17th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  115 responses

Top 50: Lamar Odom, no. 33

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Vincent Thomas / @vincecathomas

Initially, 50 players seems like a truckload of hoopers, doesn’t it? Like it’s not that exclusive of a group. So someone that we rank, say 33rd best, like Lamar Odom, almost seems like a slight, to me. It’s like, “Wait. There’s no way there are 33 players better than Lamar Odom! A do-it-all forward that’s a cross between Magic, Worthy and AC Green all the way down at No. Lamar Odom33?! Get real.”

But then again, some of you — maybe even most of you — may be reading this and blasting us for including Mar, at all. “”Wait. There’s no way that Odom is the XX best dude in the NBA. A do-it-all forward that’s a cross between Magic, Worthy and AC Green, but some games has about the same impact as Brian Cook?! Get real.”

That’s what’s most compelling about Odom’s current standing in the League. This season coming up is Odom’s 11th. After you ball for a whole decade in the League, your full career starts to congeal and Odom has basically cemented a rep. He’s no longer the youngster full of potential, he’s the versatile vet, a supreme X-Factor. But the term “X-Factor” isn’t necessarily a compliment when it’s handed to a 30-year-old ball player. Veiled in that moniker is the basic premise that no one knows what said player is gonna bring to the table each game.

So be it. That’s just how it goes for Odom. Over the years, he’s become one of the NBA’s more polarizing figures. Some love him, some can’t stand him. Even the cats that dig him a lot — like yours truly — can’t stand him sometimes. It’s not because he’s a bad dude. In fact, Odom is one of the most decent and thoughtful players in the League. Nah, Odom polarizes because, for some, he never lives up to their expectations; for others, it can be maddening to hear the constant frustrated barbs thrown his way. I tend to think that most of the Odom Hate is a lot of ridiculous projecting and sophomoric pettiness, but, I’d be a liar if I said it didn’t have, at least, some merit.

But then there’s idiocy, like the beginning of last season when fans and journalists insisted on calling Odom the fourth best Laker. That’s just the kind of unbelievably flawed thinking that you get from people bent on detracting from what Odom actually brings to the table. I mean, how could anyone seriously say that Bynum was a better ball player than Odom? In all honesty, there are some nights when Odom is L.A.’s second best player. Those nights when he’s subtly directing traffic, gobbling up almost any shot that caroms off the rim, bothering all types of shots from the weakside, scoring at just the right time. And that demeanor of his — what his detractors call being soft and passive — is what allowed him to blunt his game and ego for a larger goal, last season.

Toward the end of this past season, for one of my NBA.com columns, I fleshed out this term I like to use — Franchise Role Players. Here’s an excerpt germane to our inclusion of Odom in the SLAMonline Top 50…

“Last season, sometime in March [of '08] during one of Lamar Odom’s double-double strings, my boy and I came up with a term to describe a certain set of the League’s gifted performers. We call them Franchise Role Players (FRP). Odom, Tony Parker, Josh Smith and others are from the ilk that gave us the Dennis Rodmans and Dennis Johnsons of previous generations. They’re the complimentary players with very specific roles, assignments, responsibilities — whatever you want to call them — who perform these tasks with such impact that, on many nights, they are just as responsible for Ws as the stars that lead the teams. Don’t mistake them for the narrowly specialized, lower-impact “role players,” or the somewhat nondescript, low-consequence “get-in-where-they-fit-in” typical rotation players. Not even James Posey, a role-player poster boy, can claim inclusion in the FRP ranks.”

There may be 33, heck 43, other players that you’d rather start a team with, but there is not 33 better basketball players than Lamar Odom. There also isn’t 33 players of more value than Odom. Given that his double-doubles and facilitation is very responsible for making the Lakers favorites — and not just contenders — I’d have no problem with Odom cracking the Top 30. And if I really want to get crazy, I could go even more exclusive. Don’t tempt me.

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN and writes the weekly “From The Floor” column for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Ouse

    Nice placement, no player in the world quite like Mar

  • ctkennedy

    finally somebody that knows how much odom is worth he averages a double double in a half think about that he avg more boards than bosh amare second best ballhandler on the squad better playmaker than bibby plays better post d than varego and thats what he in the league for odom is the total package

  • a_whiteman

    Loved lamars game since day 1 I have no problem with this
    Spot

  • Ken

    I’m not sold on him. I saw him once in person last year, which was the Lakers at Phx, and he fouled out with like 4 points. Is he talented? Yes. We knew this when he was still at Providence. It’s the inability to give consistent effort that irks the hell out of me. So much talent, but such inconsistent effort.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Mansonovic

    I hate to be a pedant, but shouldn’t that “32 players better”?

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Mansonovic

    I hate to be a pedant, but shouldn’t that read “32 players better”?

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Mansonovic

    You’re right. There is no way there are 33 players better than Lamar Odom. But only because LO is actually number 33. Which means there are 32 players better. Yeah, I can be a pedant…

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Mansonovic

    Damn, I hate my web browser. Apologies for the multiple posts.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Mansonovic

    For the record, for what he CAN do, LO would be top 30 for me.

  • Abdul-Salaam

    providence? rhode island maybe…..

  • nobs6669

    he has a the skill to be a top 10 player but consistency is not the name of his game

  • http://www.worldstarhiphop.com The Real

    too high, he does not play hard every night, AND he is dating the FAT Kardashian sister, haha

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    The crazy thing is he never has made an All-Star team.

  • tavoris

    The Real, Odom is a married man…not hardly checking for a Kardashain…and he does play hard. The game of basketball is effortless for him, so it looks like he’s not trying.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    Good spot

  • Yesse

    Well a good spot, but honestly im getting bored of commeting to this thing.I think im just gonna check the list when its ready.

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net Latin Syndicate

    To Abdul-Salaam: Providence is in Rhode Island hommie. Get a map.

    To The Real: To a whiteboy she may be fat, but to a person of ethnicity she is one delicious piece of ass.

  • kobesbestfriend

    r u freakn kidding me???THERE IS NO WAY LO IS IN THE TOP 50!!!y do u think the zen master benched his sorry ass???he’s a role player that gets paid franchise player $!!!he is the sole reason the lakers lost 2 the celtics in the finals last year!!!he’s has always underachieved and never will play up 2 his potential!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Jeff:I thought he was an All-Star reserve in Miami that season. No? That’s crazy.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    The problem with this spot is that he really should be better than this. But this is where he deserves to be. Also it appears there is no bynum.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I’m feeling the Franchise Role Player label too. Great stuff, Commish.

  • tavoris

    this seems about right, considering there are 29 more teams out there with at least 1 player more valuable than Odom.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    kobesbestfriend, actually the Lakers didn’t lose to Boston because of that. They lost because they had Vladimir FREAKIN Radmonovic guard Paul Pierce. When the guy moves like a pirate with one leg, I’m sure an all-star like PP would get automatic points just standing on the court. Dude couldn’t play defense. And as far as I’m concerned with LO, he was benched to give the offense a better flow, you probably don’t even watch Laker games. Don’t talk. Anybody willing to argue about how important it is to start, it doesn’t, because all that matters is if you’re playing when the game is on the line.

  • JDH21

    There is no way he is a better player than Rudy Gay or Gilbert Arenas. The guy has talent so what Darius Miles also has a lot of talent. Put him on a lesser team and he would be an average player at best.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jeff, he has never been robbed of an all-star berth either when you think about it. (unlike KD last year)

  • Ted D. the Bear

    He should be waaay lower on this list, if at all. Come on now. I’d rather have Gilbert, Artest, Turkoglu, and Lamarcus Aldridge all before this guy. He’s the fourth option on a team, why should be ahead of their second/third option? Ridiculous. Sure Odom has talent, but when has he ever dominated the league like all the journalists thought he would? I’ll wait…
    Exactly.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I also think that Lamar looks better than he actually his. 15 and 9 career avgs is really good but not all star worthy. He had never played less than 35 mins a game prior to last year and he was first or second option his whole career in MIA, LAC and LAL before Pau got there. What I’m saying is that we have seen LO’s potential. It’s 15 and 9. Really good but not great either. He’s just so smooth that he makes you think he can do more.

  • http://www.eric32woodyard.wordpress.com Eric Woodyard

    good write up! I love LO’s game he just gotta be more consistent…if he’s consistent he will cleary be a top 3 forward in the league…hands down!!

  • Lakets

    nice position for my man lamar… not to low and not to high…

    GOOOO LAKERS

  • Chris

    Love LO.

    This guy is incredible. Get past the inconsistencies, No one as big and tall as him has playes in the back court. I loved Slam’s Poster with Magic on one side in th eLakers Uni, and
    Odom on the other.

    Hey so what i have been asking everyone is who do you think Phil will have in the line up at the end of the game now?

  • jk_light

    Co-sign Z

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nice write up Vince.
    However, I had a problem with this line:
    “There may be 33, heck 43, other players that you’d rather start a team with, but there is not 33 better basketball players than Lamar Odom.”
    That seems to directly contradict what Lang said about a certain player who shall not be named. The opposite was used to justify that unnamed players ranking.
    Personally, I don’t really care where Lamar is ranked, but I’m curious about the different standard.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    It’s because Lamar Odom is white, Allenp.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    C’mon, Eric. Top 3 forward? Don’t be silly. LO is not in the same league as guys like Bron, KG, TD, STAT, CB4, Dirk, etc. / LO is VERY consistent. He’ll give you 14-15 ppg, 9-10 rbg every year. Cats just have to accept that that’s who he is. He’s in his 11th year and we’re still talking about shoulda woulda couldas? For real?

  • Bruno

    when odom is playing his best basketball there’s no way anybobody is beating the Lakers
    and who says this is not true???

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ z: I disagree. I think Lamar was the mvp of their team last season. Not the best laker player of course, but their most valuable. If he goes, so do the lakers. Those back to back 3′s in game 5 killed the magic run. He’s awesome and capable of so much more if given the shots. Thing is, he’s unselfish. Just like bron, if there’s an open man, he’ll get it to you. He rebounds, passes and he’s got mad handles. It’s amazing too how one player just ends up playing his whole career in miami and los angeles. If he plays for the knicks at some point, he would have played for the 3 top destinations any nba player would choose.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Danny Granger better be top 10. That is all.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ slam: Can you guys tell us when t-mac is gonna return? Some like myself think he’s playing at the start of the season and some are saying march. From what i know, he’s been working with tim grover and looking really dood but i could be wrong.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Will produce more than Arenas? He’s the fourth option on the Lakers, Gilbert is first or second on the Wiz. I don’t see it.

  • rikson

    Great player! The sky is the limit, but very, VERY unconsistent….

  • Kadavour

    whoa Z, a consistent Lamar Odom is probably THE BEST offensive rebounder in the league with 2 blocks and 5-6 dishes a night. He had a string of games with something like 16rebs, 17 the next night, 18 the night after that until he hit 20 i believe. Can’t really remember it too straight, but when he’s ready to ball, he’s a top tier forward.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ z: Odom is the lakers most valuable player. Not the best, but their most valuable. When he goes, so do the lakers. He could easily be averaging more points but dude is very unselfish. Just like bron,he’ll always find the open man first.He may not be comfortable being a leader and prefers taking a backseat but as far as talent is concerned, he’s up there with the best of them. There isn’t anything he doesn’t do well. Very complete game and can adjust his game to any kind of offense. Those numbers are misleading. He’s not just a 15 and 9 guy.

  • matt the jazz fan

    Great write-up, and I’d err on the side of including L.O. a little higher, but then it depends on who’s in the top 32.
    HOWEVA – Tony Parker is NOT a role player, not unless you include “brilliant point guard” as a role. He was the Spurs’ best player most of last season.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    Sorry for the re-post,i thought the first post to z didn’t go through.

  • kobesbestfriend

    dont get me wrong…LO is good just not a top 50 player…he was supposed 2 be kobe’s pippen when they traded shaq for him but never assumed the role…hell ariza played harder than him this year…i think it was a mistake they kept lamar over trevor and the lakers might pay for it this year…i guarantee now that he has a contract LO will get injured like he usually did b4 his contract year and stay home and eat candy while trevor is lighting the west up…do u think phil woulda ever benched scottie like that???

  • ab_40

    he’s a good at everything great at nothing player and he’s find a role on the court which he’s comfortable with. and the LA spotlight doesn’t hurt either.

    I realy liked his game in miami the way he played there aggresive and strong. I think he would do great on any contender off the bench or as a starter

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    kobesbestfriend is going a bit too far. Well, way too far.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    kobesbestfriend, Ariza cannot and will not be able to create his own shot. He thrives off of energy and hustle plays. Now he is actually able to hit the trey, and he can slash, but he’s not a guy who can pull up. He can’t rebound or run the point like Odom can. I will give Ariza credit for saving everyone’s a$$ against Denver, TWICE…but don’t let his short-term spectacular plays dictate what you think of him. His lack of versatility as a player (lets keep in mind his size) is what kept him from being the priority over Odom. If Artest was still in his prime, he would be a Trevor Ariza times three.

  • riggs

    too high for this douche

  • kobesbestfriend

    luke walton can do just about everythang lamar odom can do…lo isnt the defensive stopper ariza was or can he create space in the triangle for kobe and pau to be more effective like ariza…lamar has always struggled in the triangle that is y the zen master benched him…probly bench him next year too…top 50???what a joke!!!

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