Thursday, September 17th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  115 responses

Top 50: Lamar Odom, no. 33

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Vincent Thomas / @vincecathomas

Initially, 50 players seems like a truckload of hoopers, doesn’t it? Like it’s not that exclusive of a group. So someone that we rank, say 33rd best, like Lamar Odom, almost seems like a slight, to me. It’s like, “Wait. There’s no way there are 33 players better than Lamar Odom! A do-it-all forward that’s a cross between Magic, Worthy and AC Green all the way down at No. Lamar Odom33?! Get real.”

But then again, some of you — maybe even most of you — may be reading this and blasting us for including Mar, at all. “”Wait. There’s no way that Odom is the XX best dude in the NBA. A do-it-all forward that’s a cross between Magic, Worthy and AC Green, but some games has about the same impact as Brian Cook?! Get real.”

That’s what’s most compelling about Odom’s current standing in the League. This season coming up is Odom’s 11th. After you ball for a whole decade in the League, your full career starts to congeal and Odom has basically cemented a rep. He’s no longer the youngster full of potential, he’s the versatile vet, a supreme X-Factor. But the term “X-Factor” isn’t necessarily a compliment when it’s handed to a 30-year-old ball player. Veiled in that moniker is the basic premise that no one knows what said player is gonna bring to the table each game.

So be it. That’s just how it goes for Odom. Over the years, he’s become one of the NBA’s more polarizing figures. Some love him, some can’t stand him. Even the cats that dig him a lot — like yours truly — can’t stand him sometimes. It’s not because he’s a bad dude. In fact, Odom is one of the most decent and thoughtful players in the League. Nah, Odom polarizes because, for some, he never lives up to their expectations; for others, it can be maddening to hear the constant frustrated barbs thrown his way. I tend to think that most of the Odom Hate is a lot of ridiculous projecting and sophomoric pettiness, but, I’d be a liar if I said it didn’t have, at least, some merit.

But then there’s idiocy, like the beginning of last season when fans and journalists insisted on calling Odom the fourth best Laker. That’s just the kind of unbelievably flawed thinking that you get from people bent on detracting from what Odom actually brings to the table. I mean, how could anyone seriously say that Bynum was a better ball player than Odom? In all honesty, there are some nights when Odom is L.A.’s second best player. Those nights when he’s subtly directing traffic, gobbling up almost any shot that caroms off the rim, bothering all types of shots from the weakside, scoring at just the right time. And that demeanor of his — what his detractors call being soft and passive — is what allowed him to blunt his game and ego for a larger goal, last season.

Toward the end of this past season, for one of my NBA.com columns, I fleshed out this term I like to use — Franchise Role Players. Here’s an excerpt germane to our inclusion of Odom in the SLAMonline Top 50…

“Last season, sometime in March [of '08] during one of Lamar Odom’s double-double strings, my boy and I came up with a term to describe a certain set of the League’s gifted performers. We call them Franchise Role Players (FRP). Odom, Tony Parker, Josh Smith and others are from the ilk that gave us the Dennis Rodmans and Dennis Johnsons of previous generations. They’re the complimentary players with very specific roles, assignments, responsibilities — whatever you want to call them — who perform these tasks with such impact that, on many nights, they are just as responsible for Ws as the stars that lead the teams. Don’t mistake them for the narrowly specialized, lower-impact “role players,” or the somewhat nondescript, low-consequence “get-in-where-they-fit-in” typical rotation players. Not even James Posey, a role-player poster boy, can claim inclusion in the FRP ranks.”

There may be 33, heck 43, other players that you’d rather start a team with, but there is not 33 better basketball players than Lamar Odom. There also isn’t 33 players of more value than Odom. Given that his double-doubles and facilitation is very responsible for making the Lakers favorites — and not just contenders — I’d have no problem with Odom cracking the Top 30. And if I really want to get crazy, I could go even more exclusive. Don’t tempt me.

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN and writes the weekly “From The Floor” column for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
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  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    That’s why PJ benched him? How about answering why Walton rode the bench so much. Because he sucks. You’re really lobbying for Luke Walton? Walton can’t even guard Odom, and you’re trying to compare the two? Odom struggle in the triangle? That’s why he creates just about EVERY SINGLE matchup problem. When the game was on the line Luke wasn’t even in the game, neither was Bynum (which by your argument is SO IMPORTANT since he is a STARTER). That’s why Fish, Kobe, Ariza, ODOM, and Pau were in to close the game right? Since Walton can do everything Odom can and Bynum is a starter. ALL your logic is flawed.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    wow ppl are really drinking the kool aid, uh? mvp of the lakers!? yeah they might not have won some games in the finalls without him but they don’t GET to the finals without pau and they may not even get to the postseason in a tough western conf without kobe. get real people. / the reason why he’s the lakers x-factor is because ppl know that kob and pau will bring it every night / he has no glaring weaknesses but he’s not great at anything either except rebounding. the numbers are not misleading, that’s his production. he was doing the same thing with the clips when he was the 1st option. he’s not a 20+ ppg guy, that’s just the reality of it. / don’t give me that ”when he’s ready to ball” BS. people aren’t trying to miss shots and play poorly. lamar is who he is. and that’s not a top tier forward. nobody’s trying to throw max money at him.

  • kobesbestfriend

    i never said luke was good just that he can do what odom does plus that he knows the triangle very well…he sucks at D but so does LO…thats y they ride the pine…bynum sucks too and is overrated so of course zen master plays odom over him in the crunch time!!!and when does lo ever cause matchup problems 4 other teams???any1 can score when they r left open cuz mamba is on the team!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    With Artest and Odom on the same team, it makes no sense to me that Odom is higher on this list. If Odom hadn’t re-signed this season, the Lakers would be at risk of losing chemistry, but still favored by many to repeat. If the Lakers hadn’t signed Artest after losing Ariza, the Lakers would be less of a team than they were in 2008. And “a cross between Magic, Worthy and AC Green”? What the hell?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    The reason Odom is even on the floor is because he spreads the floor. He is able to hit the midrange j, he can hit the trey sometimes, he can drive, and he can get offensive boards like a beast. Ariza can’t nearly do as much Odom, and he’s not very polished and he’ll probably never be. As far as matchups go, Odom is really a 3, he only plays the 4 because he’s so damn big. Luke knows the triangle, sure, but it doesn’t explain why he makes bad decisions IN THE TRIANGLE. How many times does he just stand there, or has a wide open shot and forces a pass? And the reason Odom is in with Pau in late game is because 2 post players would only crowd the paint for both of them. Use basketball knowledge before all you say is “they suck, overrated”. And lastly, I guess you know NOTHING about the triangle, because thats exactly what its supposed to do, CREATE MATCHUP PROBLEMS FOR EASY BUCKETS. Walton knows it well, but does he do anything for the team offensively? NO.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ seven Deuce

    If only Lamar had been given a chance to ball out. His only real freedom was when he was in his first few years on the Clippers. Imagine if Houston had somehow signed him instead of Ariza!

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    Lamar is a decent player but #33? If he was still a Miami Heat player I bet you bottom dollar he wouldn’t be on this list, and this coming from a Lamar fan. Coming to L.A. playing with Kobe (yep I said it) made him up his game. He had no choice he was on a championship calliber team with a coach who seeks consistency almost all the time. How is he ahead of Allen Iverson? He can give you 20 and 10 on a given night that I can give to him, but often he’s very inconsistent. He shows up one game and is M.I.A. the next, that made me so upset last season in playoffs as a Lakers fan. I’m not saying he is a solid player (when he wants to be), but come on now frat, #33 out of 50, already? Still a fan of his though lol.

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ z: Exactly, that’s what i’m saying. People know what they’re gonna get out of kobe and pau every night. If lamar plays like he played game 5 vs. the magic every night, there’s no way that team can be beat. He never even deserved to sit out for that sorry bynum in the 1st place. He wasn’t exactly option 1 in Lac either. Brand, darius and q were all on that team as well. He played 2nd fiddle in miami and now he’s playing 3rd or 4th in la. Maybe he’s just comfortable not being the main guy and not like he has a choice in the matter playing behind wade and kob and brand. I know he’s better than brand but the clips had everything go through elton. And he’s not just good at everything and great at nothing. He’s got the passing skills of kukoc, excellent rebounder, good shooter, great at creating for himself and teammates and way above average handles. You talk about him like he’s as mediocre as rony turiaf. This guy is better than marion, rashard and the like. He could have averaged 20 ppg a night if the coach told him he had to. Don’t get it twisted thinking he’s not capable. Just circumstances is all.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    I don’t disagree with this ranking. just wanted to point out the total awesomeness of the picture link to this article. that’s on some comic book ish.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I’m starting to doubt that kobesbestfriend is, in fact, Kobe’s best friend. You’d assume he’d understand how crucial Lamar is to his homeboys success.

  • UnRel

    when people say.. ‘when he wants to play he can be the X best player in the L’… you can say that about everybody that suits up.. bottom line.. Lamar’s got great skills.. can do just about everything on the coart.. HOWEVER.. doesn’t have the mentality to do so.. therefore.. he will never be a top 3 F/PF.. and saying he doesn’t know the triangle doesn’t know how the triangle works.. his work in the tri is great.. just like pippens.. his numbers don’t reflect how well he works the tri..

  • UnRel

    i meant ‘court’..

  • J-City

    Remember that article that said the reason for Lamar’s up and down play was due to his obsession of candy? Lol the candyman indeed. This is a good spot for him, he’s inconsistant but playing for a championship team, sacrifices have to be made. Look at his numbers from Miami when he was a starter and playing big minutes and I’m surprised how he’s never made an all-star team. I honestly also feel he’s better suited playing sf and is creates ridiculous mismatch problems and has the handles and defensive ability to do so, but obviously that’s Ron’s spot. Btw, that dunk on the birdman last playoffs was nasty.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    co-sign Brad.

  • B e n n i e

    he finished the playoffs strong. i think hell continue the season that wat cus he wants to get that feeling of winning it all again! LO might be a future laker legend..

  • B e n n i e

    i meant way not wat haha.

  • kobesbestfriend

    what is lamar odom’s career high???like 30???he is a mediocre player at best…def not top 50!!!case closed!!!and the birdman blocked him like 8 times b4 he dunked on him…if he wasnt lefthanded i wouldnt like him at all!!!

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @kosesbestfriend: Stay off the crack!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    kobesbestfriend, now you’re just throwing BS out there. Birdman blocks EVERYBODY. He was 2nd in the L for blocked shots behind Dwight, with NOWHERE near as many minutes. If he got extended time he would’ve easily been the blocks leader for the season. And you come back with an argument about a career high? Weak argument, horrible justification. Your comments aren’t taken seriously as of…Yesterday.

  • http://www.slamonline.com JL

    This is a good spot. He brings alot of versatility and defense and rebounding to this team. As long as he stays away from 3′s and long jumpers (unless he’s hot), Lakers win. He’s defnitely #3 last year on the lakers, this year… I think he’s tied with Ron Artest for #3a and #3b. He’s got way more game than Lamarcus A. 9 rebounds per game for a career is nothing to sneeze at!

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    LO more important this upcoming season than Ray Ray? I don’t know about that, this isn’t the double stuff league

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Lamar is one of those dudes where the numbers don’t tell the story and if you’re basing his career on is stats you’re making a big mistake.

  • UnRel

    i really don’t care about placement until we get to the top 20.. any one of the guys that have already been mentioned can switch spots but are far from top 20.. i’m just glad there hasn’t been a player that should not be on the list at all..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, I guess I was the only one who thought that sentence was strange.

  • Odomrated

    OMG, Odom is THE most overrated player in the NBA today. I can’t believe he is this high. Odom rarely ever shows up for a game, is an absolutely horrible defender, and shooter as well. Ok, the dude can rebound from time to time, but other than that he is mediocre at everything else. And if I hear his name in the same sentence as Magic’s one more time I don’t know what I will do. It’s absolute blaspheme for any sports writer to do this, yet I hear it time and time again. My god, Slam do you watch basketball?

  • Odomrated

    LMFAO, LMFAO, LMFAO!!! I just glanced at the players Odom is ahead of and holy crap! Are you kidding me SLAM? “Definitive” rankings? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I would take every other player listed below Odom before I would take him other than maybe Ray Ray and Kidd since they are both ancient. But even so, Jesus puts Odom to shame in terms of actually showing up for big playoff games, he is hitting game winners from behind the arc time after time while Odom is riding pine and making the feature story on E:60 for his candy addictions. Come on, GET REAL SLAM!!!

  • ryan

    hey ken b4 u start calling out lamar’s faults, make sure u know what college lamar played at…its rhode island not providence

  • Kadavour

    he has the 5th most career triple double of active players today.

  • KR

    “Roney seal Harrington beautifully I ain’t gotta…My-my-my big fella the Pau’s out…and uh…I just gotta…ya’know…step up and make plays. You know this year it’s not like a been a shot making year for me. So I’m just tryna focus and help my team win ball games…”

    - Lamar Odom

    (Great writeup btw)

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    THERE IS NO WAY AT ALL LAMAR SHOULD BE THIS HIGH!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    THERE IS NO WAY AT ALL LAMAR SHOULD BE THIS HIGH!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dfrance

    @Latin I think Abdul knows Providence is in the state of Rhode Island, he was pointing out the fact that LO went to the school Rhode Island and not Providence like Ken commented.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Might as well put the Polish Hammer on here, too. Hey, why not Big Baby Davis while we’re at it? Talent is one thing, another is ACTUAL output. The Lakers won last year because of Kobe and Pau, and their X-Factor most nights was Trevor Ariza. Lamar Odom isn’t top 50 if Ariza isn’t. Lamar Odom isn’t top 33 if Ron Artest isn’t 30.
    Just stop the lists already. This is the equivalent of putting Robert Horry and Derrick Fisher in the top 50 all time lists. You didn’t there, so why the heck is Odom 33 now.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    It seems to me like Lamar Odom is the biggest MacGuffin in the league. Every analyst cares that they have him, it intimidates the other team’s scouts because of his “versatility,” but in the end it doesn’t matter what the hell he actually does in the game, because the Lakers win with him on the bench ANYWAYS. He’s like the fall back if Ron Artest, Pau Gasol, and Kobe Bryant are all shooting bricks. And even then it isn’t guaranteed he’ll show up.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The write-ups have been really good.
    I find it funny though, that SLAM felt they had to explain it and convince us on Turkoglu making the list (which was pretty much a no brainer), but then felt like it was granted/expected Odom would make the list at 33 (which shouldn’t have happened).

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ SOFOKLIS SCHORTSIANITIS(down to 130 kg!!!)

    I really like Lamar for his complete game and his character. This is a nice place for him though he could be a little higher. For example the idea that there is a serious possibility that we are going to have track&field athletes(Igouodala,R.Jeferson,etc) over a true basketball player like Lamar is ridiculous.

  • frank castle

    wheres gerald wallace or shard lewis on the list

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    Character…. really? ARE YOU FOR REAL? People must hate the Clippers that much, for what, I don’t know it’s not like we knocked your team from the playoffs. The Clippers stood by LO when he had a bunch of trouble with mary jane and all that stuff. He had a couple of injury riddled seasons, and we still stuck with him. Then he leaves us after his most uninspiring, lackluster, questionable work ethic year. I don’t care that he left, when he was a RFA he begged us not to match the Heat’s offer. You can say the guy is a good player, but the guy is a douche always had always will.

  • Orlando Green

    I thought yall woulda snubbed LO, but good job!

    Wow! Lakers have 4 in the top 50! Any other team have four? Spurs i guess (TD, RJ, TP, MG)

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/christopher_sells-authorHV106.html chiqo

    i’m gonna go out on a limb and say no to that spurs part.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Z’s got it pegged.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Andre Iguodala is going to be too high on this list. Way too high. Unless he is next.
    Is he next?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    No, Teddy.

  • ben hunter

    you would think after all these years odom would have figured out how to do something consistently……….im mean hes good but……..over turkoglu? iverson?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, he’s OK. But he’s no Magic. Then again, who would ever think that?….oh, wait….

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @Moose: Well, he should be next.

  • Solon

    Too High. Shoulda been around 40 i think.
    Spurs only have 3 though-Manu doesn’t make it this year. Too injured.

  • skywalker

    LO is favorite player, but why is he bangin’ the tranny looking kardashian sister?

  • skywalker

    LO is favorite player, but why is he bangin’ the tranny looking kardashian sister?

  • MC Pats

    LO is doing as Phil Jackson is telling him. Find the the open man, create in the triangle, make the easy basket, create matchup problems. At least hes doing what hes told.

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