Thursday, September 24th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  209 responses

Top 50: Rajon Rondo, no. 27

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Holly MacKenzie/ @stackmack

On May 3rd, 2009, in the aftermath of a 107-86 blowout win in Game 3, Rajon Rondo crumbled to the floor, unable to take another step, unable to celebrate the W as camera crews sRajon Rondocrambled to catch the action of Bill Walker carrying him into the locker room.

Remember that visual?

Remember the concern of fans, media and Celtics officials alike, breathing easy only after they heard Rondo’s explanation for the strange drop to the ground?

“It’s not my ankle, the bottom of my feet were just hurting, that’s all.”

Oh, just his feet. Silly Rondo. The quirky little brother.

Of course those feet were tired. Blistered. Cramping. Damn near broken. Remember that adidas spot with Kevin Garnett, where he has the world on his shoulders before the end of the commercial? That was Rondo this past offseason. While the weight became too heavy for KG’s frame in Minny he came to Boston where he could distribute some of the responsibility. When he went down with the knee injury, while Jesus was praying to find his shot again and Pierce was relegated to being the fourth quarter assassin, it was little brother who was there.

Unable to shrug off pressures or breathe easy because his rangy shoulders became the support beams for the Celtics seemingly overnight, Rondo somehow managed to add mind-blowing playoff-performances to his curriculum vitae by the day.  it’s a miracle Rondo’s (exaggerated) 171-pound frame was able to carry the weight of a franchise as long as he did before crumbling to the ground in what turned out to be a precursor of the Celtics  crumbling as a whole only a few weeks later.

Rookie Bill Walker, beyond being a good teammate, recognized the importance of Rondo to the team’s end goal. With Garnett out, he became their pitbull (just ask Kirk Hinrich), point guard and leader. He had the heart, the grit and the stats as well. Averaging a near triple-double, Rajon Rondo became the pulse of his team without warning, emerging as a leader without explanation or expectation.

A third-year player known more for his ugly shooting percentages outside of the lane, Rondo moved into the fast lane with the blink of an eye. When people were questioning whether he’d be anything without the luxury of playing alongside the big three of Ray, Pierce and Kevin, in the playoffs he flipped the script and they were the ones thankful that they had him running not just the offense but their squad.

While he’s got the support of his teammates and the proof in the box scores, still Rondo has his doubters. The fact remains that the guy doesn’t want to be found on the perimeter with the ball in his hands and the shot clock winding down. Does this matter? For one of the quickest guys in the league, how often does he get stuck outside of the lane? Not often. And when he does, looking to his left is Ray Allen, his right, Paul Pierce. Not bad options to have.

Asking whether his game benefits from the players around him is like asking whether Phil Jackson has helped Kobe Bryant’s career. The question isn’t open for debate. It also doesn’t really matter, because to quote any and every NBA player, it is what it is. And, it is what each has made out of it. Rondo has taken the teasing and chiding of being the little brother. He’s taken the doubts and the challenges Doc Rivers has given him and he’s made it work. He has made it work for his own game, but most importantly he has made it work for this team.

He has made it work for a ring.

In a seven game first-round series with the Bulls that became a battle of the ages, it was the mano a mano battle between Derrick Rose and Rondo that stole that spotlight from the other stars. While Rose drew first blood, Rondo laughed last. He also posted averages of 19.4 points, 11.6 assists and 9.3 rebounds per game, including turning in a turnover-less  19-assist performance in Game 6, tying an NBA postseason record. The last Celtic to record more than one triple-double in a playoff series was Larry Bird in 1986.

1986 was the year that Rondo was born.

Two large “R”s are inked across his back, spanning his frame as if to remind the world who he is as he streaks past on a basketball court. Perhaps he needed an intro and a re-introduction in years past, but not anymore. Anyone who knows the NBA, knows Rajon Rondo. Standing alongside the other superstars suiting up for the Celtics, there isn’t a star that shines brighter (or that has the longevity), than the one illuminating Rondo’s game.

Think about that Celtics team minus Kevin Garnett. We saw how that worked out this past postseason. Now, picture that team also without Rajon Rondo. Or, substitute Garnett’s absence for Rondo’s. Is it so ludicrous to think that the impact would be just as large? Who would have stepped in to save them and fill Rondo’s shoes? Eddie House? There’s that consistency issue and he’s not nearly enough of a passer to keep Paul and Ray happy. Steph? Yeah, he wasn’t going to be anyone’s savior.

Rondo’s presence is as integral to this team’s success as Garnett, Allen, Pierce, Rivers and ubuntu itself. In the past season and postseason he has emerged not only as the final cornerstone of the Celtics “foursome”, but as an All-Star and elite point guard in the NBA.

Slick glides to the basket, the ability to knife through double-teams and defenders and smooth passes that surprise everyone but his coach who knew he had it inside of him defines Rondo’s game. Everything he’s not on a basketball court -read: a proficient shooter- has only aided in making him who he is: a savvy, headstrong point guard who will get into the lane at all costs.

Taking a beating nightly, his bruised body bounces up, ready for more. Wanting another ring, needing to silence his critics and yearning to be named among the top point guards in the league without hesitation.

Rajon Rondo isn’t just ready, he is proven and has arrived. Most importantly, he is here to stay.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • Art Vandelay Posted: Sep.24 at 8:10 am
    Looking forward to his performance this upcoming season…He’ll be among the top three PGs in SLAM’s next ranking!

  • Art Vandelay Posted: Sep.24 at 8:10 am
    Looking forward to Rondo’s performance this upcoming season…He’ll be among the top three PGs in SLAM’s next ranking!

  • Art Vandelay Posted: Sep.24 at 8:12 am
    ummmm…didn’t want to post it twice…anyways…

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Sep.24 at 8:13 am
    171 pound ?

  • Furious Posted: Sep.24 at 8:28 am
    This is an absolute joke. This is worse than the David West ranking. There is no way Rondo is the 27th best player in the league. He is maybe the 4th best player on his team. Just. He gets buckets because every defense in the league is happy to have him shoot. Terrible ranking.

  • i can’t really judge Rondo cause i’am biased towards small& slender guards that can dunk like him. Now, if only he could shoot the ball…

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.24 at 8:29 am
    Yeah i would definitely take Rondo over Arenas .. lol. Moose is going to be happy today!!

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.24 at 8:32 am
    That is the only thing that sucks about him. When you leave him alone until 5 feet from the basket and nothing happens … o and the fake behind the back pass. HOPEFULLY we don’t see that ONCE this year.

  • kobesbestfriend Posted: Sep.24 at 8:36 am
    this rating must be based on those bogus triple-doubles he got in the playoffs…thats the only way 2 merit this high of a placement

  • jk_light Posted: Sep.24 at 8:38 am
    Rest of the way (in Order)
    Lebron
    Wade
    Kobe
    CP3
    D.Howard
    Durant
    Dirk
    D.Williams
    B.Roy
    Anthony
    Stoudamire
    Duncan
    Gasol
    Garnett
    Parker
    Nash
    Carter
    Pierce
    Bosh
    Rose
    D.Harris
    Granger
    Billups
    J.Johnsen
    A.Jefferson
    Igoudala

  • rikson Posted: Sep.24 at 8:39 am
    “He gets buckets because every defense in the league is happy to have him shoot.” I think thats true! I would love to see how rondos playing without 3 hof at the side and the space he has because of them….

  • Solon Posted: Sep.24 at 8:40 am
    Hey, i also weigh 170 as was born in ’86. How come I’m not in the NBA???? Maybe cause i’m 6’0″, white, can’t jump, and lacking amazing hoop skills. but still. Anyways, Rondo is a baller, no doubt. I see now that SLAM is truly trippin however. If Rondo is 27 that means he would be the best player on 4 teams in the NBA. That would suck to have Rajon as your #1 option. Jus saying. For the teams who get little/no rep in the Top 50-Bucks, Dubs, Clips, Rockets, Knicks, Nets?,etc. (naw-Devin Harris is coming soon, right?)Would they want Rondo as a number 1 player? Don’t think so…Can’t take playoff performances out of context/over hype them… Remember Jerome James? “OH, Jerome James for the SLAMMMMM over Duncan.” Knicks: lets pay him 70 mil.
    Result:One of the Top 10 worst Knick contracts given by Isiah. (All of them were terrible)
    Vandelay-Can’t see him as a top 3 PG in the League though. D. Rose is better now, and will only get better. Plus the Top Two (Paul, Williams), Nash, Chauncey, maybe even Devin Harris. So #6 I think. But PG might be the deepest position in the league, so that’s not bad.

  • Solon Posted: Sep.24 at 8:46 am
    ALSO-What HATE by SLAM. How are 3 Frickin Grizzlies making the list and NO Warriors? I mean-sheet, we have some front office turmoil, but damn. Monta and Jackson are better then a lot of people on this list. And my man Anthony Randolph will be Top 40 Next year-and that is TRUTH. Future All Star, Defensive Player of the Year, and Cornerstone of the Warriors franchise.

  • Clockwork Posted: Sep.24 at 8:47 am
    This is way too high for Rondo…

  • mumadone Posted: Sep.24 at 8:50 am
    i guess USA olympic gold medalist tayshaun prince is not on here……

  • Furious Posted: Sep.24 at 8:54 am
    Definitely won’t be top 3 pgs. Paul and Williams will be one and two for pretty much his whole career. He’s not getting third with until Nash, Parker (who is only 27), Billups all retire. In that case he would be fighting for number 3 with Rose (who is better), Devin Harris (who is better), Jameer Nelson, Rubio, Westbrook, Patty Mills (yes, i did just add that in because im an Aussie, and he is scarily fast). Im not saying any of them will necessarily be better, but Rondo will have to compete with them to get 3rd. I doubt he will.

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 9:00 am
    has elton brand been yet?

  • Karl Posted: Sep.24 at 9:01 am
    @Jk Light I think this is the point where it’s painfully obvious and kinda hilarious they left a few people that should be on this list.
    Ie: Shawn Marion,Gerald Wallace,Mo Williams,Jermaine O’neal, Monta Ellis (maybe?)

  • @Michael…:????!!!!!!!

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 9:12 am
    @ greek dude, yes?

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 9:14 am
    @greek guy, i am not sure what you mean, lets be honest, no on ever knows what you are talking about, but if elton brand isnt one of the best 50 players in the league then i dont know what to say. This list is just getting funny now, i cant wait to see who is forgotten. There is no way iggy can be here now surely.

  • Young C Posted: Sep.24 at 9:15 am
    Actually, I dont think any Sixers will be on the list, which is a travesty considering there are 3 Grizzlies, 4 Lakers, 4 Magic, 4 Celtics, 3 or 4 Mavericks, 2 Raptors…. I could go on and on. This is why this list completely blows. I cannot overstate this.

  • SIXERSBOB Posted: Sep.24 at 9:19 am
    Young C….Iggy will deffinitly be on this list…he was like 32 last year and he only improved…he will prob be in the next 5. And im cool with Brand not making it because he was hurt last year, but there is no way that Rose should be on this list. All he is, is a more athletic Rondo. Overrated.

  • riggs Posted: Sep.24 at 9:27 am
    smh @ their still being rondo hate on here, delete this website from yall bookmarks and leave basketball alone.

  • “New Nets owner to hire Sarunas Marciulionis and Arvydas Sabonis!!”…Sarunas & Sabas running the NETS…??!! Hmmm…..

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.24 at 10:01 am
    Well, I already knew he was on the list and everyday it got smaller I’ve been cringing more and more that his name wasn’t already called. Solid skill set, slightly overrated due to the talent around him. Good write up, Holly.

  • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Sep.24 at 10:04 am
    Appreciate it, B. Long!

  • J.C. Posted: Sep.24 at 10:08 am
    /voicing displeasure at this ranking Rondo’s got some nice skills but running point for the Celtics isn’t the hardest gig in the league.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.24 at 10:09 am
    @Karl … Marion should NOT be on this list!!!

  • CRAMZY Posted: Sep.24 at 10:09 am
    @kobebestfriend—-Bogus triple doubles? What the hell is a bogus triple double? You can’t fake 17-10-10 for 2 playoff rounds. I’m not a Rondo fan but I can’t front on the homie. He was ballin!!! in the playoffs and he does his thing.He deserves the spot. He’s still getting better

  • Young Chris MP3 Posted: Sep.24 at 10:26 am
    Ray Allen > Rajon Rondo

  • Z Posted: Sep.24 at 10:34 am
    Excellant article, Holly. I still don’t know what to make of Rondo. The skillset is remarkable and the jumpshot can be fixed. He merely needs a jumper good enough so that you can’t double the post off of him and distupt the offense à la Tony Parker. What worries me about him has nothing to do with his game, it’s his personality. He’s not a leader, he doesn’t talk a lot, he’s moddy, he has a short fuse and he’s very, very stubborn. Guys just don’t seem to enjoy playing with him. That’s a huge red flag for someone that could potentially be their franchise player, especially at the pg posiiton.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 10:37 am
    I’ve been high rondo since he was in college if he learns a jumper (which is said about a lot of people) this guy is gonna be great.

  • SIXERSBOB Posted: Sep.24 at 10:44 am
    I think Rondo is still like 3 years away from being top 30 players. He is real good, but you need to have some what of a jumpshot to be this high. If he had his own team, there is no way he would get this much respect. I think he can develop a J, but i do think its a few years away.

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 10:49 am
    For any justification that Rondo is deserving of this spot, take him out of the ’08 Celtics and see where that would leave them. Nobody pushing the ball up and a rather stagnant offense, if he was benched and Eddie House and Sam I Am were the only ones to run the point, they wouldn’t have won. Holly is right, he’s too damn important to this team. Good look Holly.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 10:53 am
    I am so happy about this. So. Happy. Thanks for this, Holly.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.24 at 11:09 am
    I know it’s a bit mean, but i can’t see a Pic of Rajon anymore without thinking of Justin’s brilliant song “i like sports” that he performed at the 2008 Emmy’s. He disses Rajon mid song. Hilarious! (and i thought “i wanna be your Tennisball” by Jamie Foxx was the shiznit… Nope, JT hit one outta the ballpark in ’08)

  • niQ Posted: Sep.24 at 11:17 am
    Rondo is dope. And I agree with Holly, he DOESN’T NEED to shoot 3′s when you team boasts RAY JESUS ALLEN AND PAUL PIERCE! And they already have Eddie House to fill that void if need be. People just want to complain about things for no the sake of complaining.

  • niQ Posted: Sep.24 at 11:19 am
    Wow. So many mistakes.. i meant to say “when YOUR team boasts…”.. and “People just want to complaing for the sake of complaining..”

  • niQ Posted: Sep.24 at 11:19 am
    Okay I clearly fail at engrish. Carry on.

  • neaorin Posted: Sep.24 at 11:21 am
    The fact that _fans_ of Rondo are happy with his ranking should tell you that he’s several spots too high. Still, he’s shown he can step up when needed.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.24 at 11:25 am
    Damn, i meant 2008 ESPY’S, earlier. I gotta chill with my fixation of awards shows.

  • MR4U Posted: Sep.24 at 11:30 am
    Dodo bird.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 11:37 am
    I ain’t the biggest Manu fan, but even I’m a little pissed at the cats who are beating him out. I understand that he’s injury prone, but outside of the injuries it seems like cats are expecting a massive fall off from him.

  • Chukaz Posted: Sep.24 at 11:45 am
    This is awful. 27? Really? This dude might not be one of the top 27 players in his own conference, let alone the league. This is so bad of a mistake that LO marrying the ugly Kardashian don’t look that bad no more. It’s still a bad look, but damn…

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.24 at 11:52 am
    In other news, I think I’ve found the Lakers replacement for Sasha. The Spurs just waived Jack McClinton. Get on it, Mitch.

  • airs Posted: Sep.24 at 12:11 pm
    thank goodness. drose is ahead of rondo.
    right, slam…?

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.24 at 12:15 pm
    Brad, are you serious?

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 12:18 pm
    Overrated.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 12:22 pm
    These rankings are weird.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 12:23 pm
    I am anxious to see where nash shows up that should be very interesting.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.24 at 12:24 pm
    Isn’t McClinton 6′ 1″? How does that replace a SF?

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.24 at 12:25 pm
    Dude has an attitude problem. He’s actually the toughest celt next to kendrick perkins. It doesn’t matter what defense you throw at this guy, he will get in the lane. Assortment of teardrops and bankers. He’s more important than ray allen in all honesty. The celts would nowhere be where they are without him. No jumper yet but if he gets that down, it’ll only be deron i put ahead of him.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 12:27 pm
    Bryan
    I just remembered we hadn’t seen Nash yet.
    Man, that’s a little wild.
    And weird is a nice way of putting it.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 12:27 pm
    Speaking of which, wouldn’t Danny Ainge have to be considered one of Rondo’s doubter’s, since he tried all off-season to trade him?

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.24 at 12:27 pm
    @ eboy: Sasha mostly plays the 2 not the 3. In fact he hardly ever plays the 3.

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.24 at 12:31 pm
    Eboy:SF? Sasha is a guard. A guard who’s primary job is to knock down wide open treys. He didn’t exactly master that art last season. Now I’m willing to give him a pass because he played injured for most of the year, but from what I’ve seen from Jack McClinton…How did Rick James used to say it? COLDBLOOOODDDED!

  • cb 34 Posted: Sep.24 at 12:37 pm
    @ tadone: Danny never tried to trade him. He complained about his attitude is all. Stubborn as hell but i’ll go to war any day with this guy. He’s the 2nd toughest dude on that squad next to perkins. Danny will get fired if he trades rondo. This guy is more important than ray ray.

  • Joe A Posted: Sep.24 at 12:38 pm
    What’s with all the vitriol for Rondo? Last year dude was in the discussion to make the all-star team, stepped his game up when KG got injured, almost averaged a triple double through 14 playoff games, and has been consistently improving his jumper each season. Not to mention he is only 23 and entering a contract year.

  • josh Posted: Sep.24 at 12:44 pm
    Good spot he’s a great player with lots of potential. For those sayings he’s overated come on he’s the only player on his team that isn’t washed up and can go a full season w/o getting injured.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 12:55 pm
    I’m betting he shows up in the upper teens allen.

  • Z Posted: Sep.24 at 1:04 pm
    Come to think of it, there are A LOT of players 50 thru 28 that I would NEVER trade straight up for Rondo. Ever.

  • Z Posted: Sep.24 at 1:06 pm
    cb 34: no. When Ray plays poorly, the Celtics lose. The Celtics don’t need Rondo to excel in order to win, he just has to play solid D and facilitate the offense. Anything else is extra, a bonus. It’s still all about the big 3.

  • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.24 at 1:06 pm
    I will say this, he is not the 27th best player and not even close BUT. He is probably the second most important player for the Boston Celtics championship hopes aside from KG.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 1:20 pm
    cb 34: Actually, Danny (or technically, one of his assistants) called Joe dumars and offered Rondo and Allen for Stuckey, Rip, and Prince. Fact.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.24 at 1:24 pm
    I’ll say this, i sure am glad the “All Star” big mouth, Mr. Guarantee of the Cavs isn’t making this list. Right, right? A’int no way in hell he was either better than Rajon last year or (to use the Nostradamus factor Slam loves for this year’s Top 50) gonna be that important to his team’s success. Especially since he’s stated he wants to add muscle to be able to Guard the Wade’s of the Nba (jesus, won’t you ever learn, Mo? Just shut it)

  • Z Posted: Sep.24 at 1:31 pm
    Dark, he really said that about guarding 2s?! Oh my… we’re getting into a weird spot where some players that haven’t been called yet should clearly be in the top 50 but are clearly not top 25 material. if that makes sense.

  • James the Balla Posted: Sep.24 at 1:32 pm
    lol co-sign darks

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 1:49 pm
    Kg is way more valuable than rondo. Waaaaaayyyy more. Rondo is very good, but he can’t inspire or will his team to the chip like kg.

  • Adam Fleischer Posted: Sep.24 at 1:59 pm
    Since the year they won the title it’s been like this: As Rondo goes, the Celtics go. So if Rondo is playing his aggressive, game changing style, the Celts are basically unbeatable. If he’s not, they can still win, but it’s more of a fight. Pierce may play great and they still lose. Same goes for Ray and KG. But when Rondo plays great, they (almost) always win. X factor. And more.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.24 at 2:23 pm
    It was a hit and run typo, fellas.

  • davidR Posted: Sep.24 at 2:23 pm
    doesn’t look like monta is gonna make it

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 2:26 pm
    ^What Adam said. rog123, nobody is even debating that. KG is the heart of the team, he wills them into just about everything, but the most important person after that is Rondo. Sure if Ray and PP aren’t knocking down their shots, they don’t win. But who is the person who gets them the ball? I’m sure as hell they wouldn’t win it all with Eddie House as their starting pg.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 2:53 pm
    Yeah, thing are getting strange. Maybe I don’t have enough respect for Igoudala, but I wonder if he’s really top 25 in the league?
    I wonder if Nash beats Chauncey this year.

  • Clark Posted: Sep.24 at 2:57 pm
    @ TADone: I do have to say, as a Pistons fan I lost a lot of respect for Danny Ainge when he offered that trade. Really? So not even close to a decent trade.

  • Hisham Posted: Sep.24 at 2:59 pm
    Nash just gave me 32 in a half on NBA 2k9. So he has to be top 10

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 2:59 pm
    Adam:
    Bulls v Celts seven game series….
    when the Celts won, Rondo: 18.5-9-11 on 42% shooting
    When chicago won, Rondo: 21-9-13 on 42%
    So, Rondo played better when Chicago won. Go figure. of course, those stats are reversed when they played the Magic, but it’s a BS rule of thumb.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 3:00 pm
    Allen: As a Nash fan, it would be disrespectful to the truth if he beats Chauncy this year. Unless SLAM is counting on Nash averaging like, 16 assists because the Suns are running again this year.

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 3:09 pm
    Honestly, u can replace rondo with any previous pg on this list and the celts would still be great, maybe better. If u replace kg with anyone else on this list bos is a 4-7 seed. So why is rondo ranked so high??

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 3:13 pm
    He is overated as the celts main guy. Everyone always says if rondo plays bad, bos loses. That’s bs. With perkins kg and now wallace, his boards aren’t that valuable, his playmaking is effective only at times. Truth plays one on one in the 4th qtr every close game

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.24 at 3:24 pm
    I think people are not noticing the fact that he is probably the best defender at his position in the league. He may be the best rebounding guard in the entire league as well. Being an EXCELLENT ball handler & passer, while being owning a set of stones as big as Sam I Am’s makes him a more valuable player than anyone ranked below him. Of course a couple of them are better, but this isn’t about “who’s better”, it’s about who’re more valuable.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.24 at 3:27 pm
    Nash is going to be way too high…

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.24 at 3:28 pm
    Allenp, I think we’re gonna see Iggy tomorrow.

  • Enigmatic Posted: Sep.24 at 3:31 pm
    I HATE Rondo. But I can’t deny his talent. Still, 27 seems too high. He’s definitely top 50, but 27? Oh, and Rondo will NEVER be the third best PG in the league. Rose, D. Williams and CP3 will have the top 3 on lock (though I think Rose has a chance to be #2 or even #1 sometime in his career).

  • Franko Posted: Sep.24 at 3:31 pm
    2 words: MANU GINOBILI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDLZEcw8y-w

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 3:41 pm
    Enigmatic, I don’t know about your Rose comment.

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 3:43 pm
    If agent zero switched with rondo, he would be valuable too. And agent zero is waaay more valuable than rondo

  • Mike Klander Posted: Sep.24 at 3:45 pm
    If Rondo can become more coach able (we’ve all heard the rumours of his difficulties in the locker room), and stays with the Celtics, he can be the future and cornerstone of this team. I think this is an appropriate ranking and definitely somebody to look out for in the coming season.

  • Wayno Posted: Sep.24 at 3:46 pm
    Manu > Rondo x 3

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 3:47 pm
    This means that Rose is next. Or the one after that. And if he isn’t, that means that Allen Iverson is better than Derrick Rose RIGHT NOW.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.24 at 3:52 pm
    Kobe
    Lebron
    Wade
    CP3
    Duncan
    Dirk
    Garnett
    Howard
    Amare
    Roy
    Deron
    Peirce
    Gasol
    Billups
    Carmelo
    Durant
    Nash
    Bosh
    Granger
    Parker
    Al Jefferson
    Joe Johnson
    Iggy
    Carter
    Rose
    Harris/Jose Calderon really dont know which one to exclude

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 3:52 pm
    That doesn’t make sense Moose. There are 26 more spots for Rose.
    Y’all noticed we haven’t Devin Harris yet? Is Rondo worse than Devin Harris?

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.24 at 3:54 pm
    Moose:Rose is on the list, homie.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 3:55 pm
    Will people be upset if Tony Parker is ranked higher than Nash? I hope not. Is Parker better than Billups? Is Rose better than Rondo and Devin Harris?
    Kevin Durant is clearly a beast, but do you have to dock him for the lack of team success, or is he still top ten in the League?

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 3:58 pm
    Yeah, I know that Rose is on the list: Point I was trying to make is, if he’s listed as much more than Rondo, then I disagree. I think the next two should be Harris and Rose.

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.24 at 3:59 pm
    Allenp:Yes.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.24 at 4:02 pm
    lol at brad long

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 4:04 pm
    tavoris is still on point, uhhhh nobody is as close to a good defender as a STARTING pg, hell maybe even at all as Rondo is. Although he has a hell of a lot of weakside help with Perk, KG, and Sheed, he can hold his own and lock the other teams pg. Not only will he irritate the living hell out of you getting into the lane and driving and dishing, he’ll also annoy the crap out of the other teams pg. Gil can’t do it, neither will Rose. CP3 can, but he’s not as good of a defender. If the C’s didn’t have Rondo, ballhandling, drive & kick, and a good defender on the perimeter would be a disaster. It would throw off literally everything. And addressing rog123′s comment, don’t think the C’s chemistry would be the same with Iverson or Gil as their starting pg.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 4:07 pm
    Rose is better. I wouldn’t be upset if Rose were #20 or so. I expect him to have a monster year.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.24 at 4:08 pm
    Good, TAD. ;)

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.24 at 4:11 pm
    By the way, those lists by jk_light and jdn41 are pretty respectable.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 4:12 pm
    I think rondo and rose are both better than devin harris. As are allen iverson , caron butler, manu ginobli and probably 5 or 20 others on this list.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 4:16 pm
    Klav: Um, you do realize Billups is a All-Defensive team selection for like 5 or 6 straight seasons, right?

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.24 at 4:17 pm
    I have no issues with that first sentence, Bryan. Iverson, though? Consider where he and Rondo are at in their careers…

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 4:18 pm
    Klav: Captain Kirk was guarding Paul Pierce. So what does that say.

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.24 at 4:24 pm
    Can’t believe I’m late on this. Easily the most controversial pick so far. Great write up either way so congrats to Holly first off.
    I can never make my mind up about Rondo. It is true he benefits a lot from others…but as mentioned so what?
    a 19 assist, 0 turnover performance is absolutely incredible. And in a playoff game no less. He’s probably not as great as some say, but definitely not as bad as some think. He definitely deserves to be on the list, tho maybe not quite this high

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 4:31 pm
    Ryne I think iverson is gonna put up better numbers than devin harris so if that’s what the criteria is …. but also I think he’s just a better basketball player than devin harris so if THAT is the criteria… I mean either way

  • tealish Posted: Sep.24 at 4:31 pm
    Rondo’s a great point guard to have on your team, and even moreso when you have 3 future HOFers surrounding.
    I appreciate what he’s done last year, especially in the playoffs.
    With that said, my own personal rule: A guy who the other team can and literally does sag 4 feet away from at the free-throw line extended, cannot be the 27th best player in the L.
    But, as it’s been stated repeatedly, this list isn’t about the best players. Production wise, with Pierce, KG and Ray still there, it’s hard to argue this placement.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.24 at 4:41 pm
    The criteria is how well they’ll play next year. If you think Iverson’s still a better player, that’s all that matters. All I know is I’d rather have Harris (and it seems like mostly everyone who contributed to the rankings would agree with me).

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 4:48 pm
    When a team is winning, chemistry usually ain’t a problem. Except kobe/shaq/phil

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 4:48 pm
    Ryne: C’mon dude, if Arenas is healthy, he’s going to ball way better than his ranking, and if he’s not healthy, he’s going to ball way under his ranking. Same with Manu.
    Question: was the final list made by “averaging” all the lists from all the slam writers involved, or was it sort of argued and ironed out?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 4:50 pm
    I mean, hey, don’t get me wrong, I think it’s REALLLLLLLLY great you guys listened from the last top 50 and put a criteria in, that’s fantastic, and I appreciate you guys listening to the people and writing out you guys selected these cats. I’m not bashing the top-50 because I’ve think they’ve improved and I’m happy you’re listening to the people.
    I’m just asking a question.

  • ANG Posted: Sep.24 at 4:52 pm
    Rondo > Ray + Pierce
    (last year)

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 4:53 pm
    @TADOne Well, I’ll give you that Billups has always been a good defender, and he runs the point well but he’s also got 2 inches and 30 lbs. on Rondo. And he can also guard SGs because of his strength, that’s also why he’s probably top 3 PGs who can post if not the best.
    @Jukai Well, Captain Kirk can also play the 2, maybe not what best suits him but he has done it before. Can you really count on Ben Gordon to guard Paul Pierce when 1) Luol Deng was out and 2) John Salmons is possibly benched? I honestly don’t remember the series to remember how the rotations worked out, but obviously Chicago had nobody better to D up on Pierce, and they were able to afford to put a better defender on Pierce because Allen was being inconsistent. And uhh, Cap’n Kirk got 2 inches and 20 lbs. on Rondo too. Everyone’s got to admit, 20 lbs. makes a difference when defending a dude. It’s quite literally the difference in guarding Tayshaun Prince and Rudy Gay (just as examples for weight).

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.24 at 4:55 pm
    Ryne
    You’d rather have Harris just for next year, or you’d rather have Harris as the person you build your team around?
    Because, Iverson, with a chip on his shoulder and with his health problems behind him seems to be a good bet to explode next year barring injury. Now, three years from now Harris is the better bet, but just for next year, well I like Iverson’s chances. And even if you prefer Harris, you prefer him by nearly 25 spots! wild.

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 4:55 pm
    *Actually let me change that, people probably don’t remember Rudy added like 15-20 lbs. It’s the difference between guarding Tayshaun or Melo…who would you rather D up?

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 5:02 pm
    rog123 Well, I think the Lakers 3peat team was different because although they were winning, how often have you seen a team with 2 ALPHA alpha males. We’re not just talking guys who want to lead their team, we’re talking about 2 VERY dominant personalities who want to BE #1 on the team. Not to mention Phil in the mix. It’s a miracle that they were able to squeeze out 3 championships before imploding.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 5:11 pm
    Fair enough, Klav. I was just taking exception to the statement you made that no starting PG was close too being as good of a defender as Rondo is. Honestly, I think Rondo is an overrated defender as well. When PG’s can stop posting him up at will, then maybe i’ll respect him more. Rondo still plays out of position way too much on D. Besides Billups, I would also rank as good defenders at PG Deron, Paul, Rose, and Westbrook.

  • Dru Ha Posted: Sep.24 at 5:17 pm
    For what it’s worth, Ainge was asked this summer on weei radio, june 24th (still on itunes) “In your mind, is Rondo a top 4 or 5 point guard in the league at this point?” Ainge replied “I’d say he’s in the top 10 for sure.”

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 5:31 pm
    i think i liked these rankings more when there was no criteria published, as it is, they are starting to make no sense. Especially when we all realise someone has been left off who is obviously top 50

  • COLT6 Posted: Sep.24 at 5:33 pm
    I don’t know about y’all but Rondo can play period. No jumpshot? He makes em when they matter (see series with Chicago) all you can ask for a point guard: pass first, slasher, mean defender plus he rebounds the hell outta the ball. Bottom line: I’d pick Rondo NOW over Nash, Kidd, TP and DRose. The only 1 guards better are CP3, DWill and Chauncey. Care to argue?

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 5:41 pm
    Moose in the house. I agree completely with COLT6. But, I’m talking about overall, not numbers. A lot of people are forgetting that CP3 and Rondo are the best defensive point guards in the league.

  • Jacob J Posted: Sep.24 at 5:41 pm
    I could name at least 20 better player than Lamar Odom and Rajon Rondo so this Top 50 sucks now.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 5:43 pm
    Uhhhm….that’s why there are 26 players listed better than Rondo. Don’t give up hop yet, Jacob J…;)

  • Player Posted: Sep.24 at 5:44 pm
    I feel bad Stephen Jackson never made the top 50. He averaged about 21,5,and 7 last year. He is a great player.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 5:47 pm
    +1 at Player. Stack Jack is and always will be the man.

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 5:47 pm
    yeah and he shot 40% from the field with 4 turnovers a game for an awful warriors team…

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 5:53 pm
    Sure, I’ll argue Colt6. I’d still take Tony Parker and Derrick Rose over Rondo. Tony has led the league in interior in-the-paint scoring for like the last 3 years. Derrick Rose lifted up a mediocre Bulls squad missing arguably it’s top player in Deng and led them to the playoffs. You put Rose in with the Boston 3 and we would be talking about a C’s repeat, IMO.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 6:00 pm
    TAD, Rose wouldn’t have the type of opportunities in the Celtics’ lineup that he gets with Chicago. Yes, he was a rookie, but Rose averaged 2.49 turnovers last year compared to 6.3 assists. That margin of error wouldn’t be allowed in the Celtics system; he wouldn’t be able to do as much damage as he does on the Bulls.

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 6:02 pm
    oh god how can anyone seriously argue for rondo over rose, rose will be top 10 in the league for a long time…rondo not so much

  • Rusty Posted: Sep.24 at 6:03 pm
    loosing respect for slam by the day. these rankings make non sense

  • Klav Posted: Sep.24 at 6:04 pm
    TADOne, then again we didn’t see a completely healthy C’s last season with Rondo going ballistic in the postseason. Arguably they could have given the Lakers a run for their money or even take it all, but then again we’ll never know since KG and Powe were both out.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 6:06 pm
    Michael, you can’t make the argument without proof. Rondo averaged 11.9, 8.2, 5.2, and 1.7 with a .505 FG% in 33 minutes last year. Rose: 16.8, 6.3, 3.9, .8 on .475. It’s close. But Rondo’s assists, boards and defense gives him the edge. And, in 4 less MPG. And, the leadership in Rondo is amazing. Remember how he stepped up last year in the playoffs? He was .3 boards and .2 assists from averaging a triple double in 14 games. With 2.5 steals per game as well. THAT’S something to be reckoned with.

  • Rusty Posted: Sep.24 at 6:07 pm
    if this guys is even close to a 80 percent healthy arenas i’ll neck myself

  • Michael Posted: Sep.24 at 6:15 pm
    look Moose i don’t argue with your stats and I am not saying Rondo is some scrub. He was unbelievable in the playoffs last year. I just think his success has a lot to do with the situation he was put in, and he has taken that opportunity very well and should have a borderline all star career…but…rose is something special. I would take Rose over Rondo any day of the week. I don’t have any ‘proof’ so to speak but Rose will be one for the ages.

  • jayweezy Posted: Sep.24 at 6:17 pm
    once he can shoot a jumpshot, then put him on the list. until then hes a reliability

  • jayweezy Posted: Sep.24 at 6:18 pm
    once he can shoot a jumpshot, then put him on the list. until then hes a liability

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 6:19 pm
    Rajon rondo is the josh smith of point guards.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 6:29 pm
    “TAD, Rose wouldn’t have the type of opportunities in the Celtics’ lineup that he gets with Chicago. Yes, he was a rookie, but Rose averaged 2.49 turnovers last year compared to 6.3 assists. That margin of error wouldn’t be allowed in the Celtics system; he wouldn’t be able to do as much damage as he does on the Bulls.”
    Um, are you serious, Moose? I’m not going to look up stats because I don’t care, but from my naked eye watching these two players play, i’m quite sure Rose could do just as well and quite possibly better with the talent Rondo has around him. If you put Rondo in the Chi, I don’t see the same production out of him.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 6:29 pm
    Bryan, I think that Rondo gets more out of his talent that Smith does.

  • ClydeSays Posted: Sep.24 at 6:37 pm
    Rondo would be the Josh Smith of point guards if he forgot to play defense half the time, then jacked up 3′s when his team just needed 2. Rondo is the best defensive PG in the League. Over CP3, DWilliams, Parker, Nash, Kidd, Harris, etc. His shot definitely needs work (and FT’s) but that will come. 27? Maybe not, but he’ll be Top 10 one day if he ever starts dropping that jumper with consistancy.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 6:38 pm
    Co sign allenp also.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.24 at 6:42 pm
    I disagree. Last year was a fluke. Josh smith stuff stats like whoa. That was what I meant by the comparison anyway , the stat stuffing.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.24 at 6:44 pm
    Got it, Bryan.

  • Niio Posted: Sep.24 at 6:51 pm
    Everyone that hates on Rondo is and idiot PERIOD. Kidd was never a lights out shooter but a still great player. Rondo and Kidd are the few triple double threats point guards in the NBA live with it.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.24 at 6:52 pm
    Meh. I’m tired of debating about the rollerskating Golum. Rose > Rondo.

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 7:13 pm
    If LA was only explosive because of alpha males, then how would trading agent zero for rondo be a problem.

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.24 at 7:16 pm
    My goal here is not to bag on rondo, because he is good and many teams would want him. I just don’t like it when people make it seem like he is the reason they won a ring. If he was, why were they celts sooooooooo bad before kg and ray ray got there??

  • BostonBaller Posted: Sep.24 at 7:34 pm
    #1 Just because you were on an Olympic team doesn’t mean you are top 50…Laetner? #2 Who says it’s easy to run the point for 3 HOFers? It’s more difficult to keep eceryone happy AND get your own. #3 If you switch Rose w/ Rondo Rose would not have been the scorer he was last year and if he was then the team would have faltered early in the season. #4 Dennis Johnson “couldn’t shoot” either(until the playoffs) I’m not saying he is DJ so don’t trip.

  • Roybot Posted: Sep.24 at 7:49 pm
    Isn’t Rose like number 39 or somthing? Why are people still debating his position where he’s listed already?

  • la huey Posted: Sep.24 at 8:32 pm
    Mo Williams was an All-Star and Rondo/Rose wasn’t? Nonsense.

  • keegan Posted: Sep.24 at 8:49 pm
    why does it seem like this kid has been around for forever??? seems much longer than 3 years…

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.24 at 9:08 pm
    If Derrick Rose doesn’t appear right after Rajon Rondo, he’s too high.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.24 at 9:10 pm
    ART VANDELAY!! OH MY GOSH!!! Awesome name for a company man!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.24 at 9:15 pm
    This list is ridiculous. I’m a big SLAM fan, you know, the best b-ball magazine and all, and I’m fine with discussing player’s rankings with others (this is definitely fun), but seriously. Lamar Odom at 33, Andre Iguodala STILL not ranked, Allen Iverson at 50, Gilbert Arenas at 34, Ron Artest at 42 (I think), Caron Butler at 28 while Jamison is like 36 (I think), I mean COME ON!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.24 at 9:22 pm
    Derrick Rose should NOT be ranked ahead of Danny Granger and/or Devin Harris based on last year’s play, even though he was great during the playoffs. About 20, 6 and 6 is insanely good for a rookie (or any player for that matter), but his 16.3 ppg and 6.1 apg during the regular season–although very good and ROY worthy–doesn’t automatically propel him to stardom above these two other rising stars… YET.
    I have a feeling SLAM is going to rank Rose way too high, and keep in mind I’m a Derrick Rose fan.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.24 at 9:25 pm
    Wait wait, who says Stephen Jackson isn’t making the top 50? I think its pretty obvious he should be on here. Right SLAM, right? …Right?

  • dma Posted: Sep.24 at 9:29 pm
    well, if the rules say that this list is for the UPCOMING season, then elton brand should surely show up on this list. he should be a great fantasy pickup.

  • Who Cares Posted: Sep.24 at 9:44 pm
    I think this is a good ranking. So what if he can’t shoot, he’s quick enough to get to the basket. And he has been moe frequently shooting it when he does get left open, since everyone knows he is not going to. He has the shot in his arsenal he just needs to tell himself that he does, and then watch out.

  • Heals Posted: Sep.24 at 10:09 pm
    SLAM, thank you first off for the great article in the Melo issue (props for the little green Pac Mans, and an even better analogy for his style), and now #27 on THE LIST…

  • davidR Posted: Sep.24 at 10:22 pm
    teddy, i think monta should be ranked higher than jackson, but i seriously doubt either of them is gonna make it

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 10:36 pm
    TAD: Russell and Deron… maybe… No way in hell Rose and Paul are better defenders. Paul is the most overrated defender ever. He’s a great defender in the way Gervin and Iverson were great defenders: they’re “stat” defenders, (Gervin with blocks, Iverson with steals). They all get blown by their man wayyyy too often.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 10:37 pm
    And while I’m at it, I’d take Deron, Paul, Billups, Rose, AND Nash (yeah, Nash) over Rondo

  • davidR Posted: Sep.24 at 10:48 pm
    nash a better defender than rondo?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.24 at 10:52 pm
    Nash is one of the worst defenders at his position. I’m saying I’d take Nash on my team over Rondo.

  • davidR Posted: Sep.24 at 11:06 pm
    gotcha. i’d have to agree

  • Dacre Posted: Sep.25 at 12:01 am
    I’m taking Nash over Rondo today, tomorrow and next Friday. I will say this – Rondo almost averaging a triple double for a playoff series last post season was the single greatest surprise I’ve witnessed in the NBA, since I’ve been followed the game.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.25 at 12:40 am
    Yeah, but Nash has two maybe three good years left. Thats generous. Rondo is on the ascendency, he can improve for sure, and will need to as the talent around him ages. Nash is good and all, but honestly what has he ever won? Rondo has done damage deep in the playoffs on a stacked team and on a team of bench players. The kid is legit, unorthodox? Sure. Flawed? Maybe… But he’s definitely a winning player, with ungodly upside.
    For one game, maybe one season Nash is as good, maybe better. But we’ve seen his best. And it still wasn’t enough to win it all, even with a super talented team and a style catered to his skillset. Rondo has already been to the promised land and he is still getting better.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 12:51 am
    If you did a straight swap, Rondo for Kirk Hinrich, the Celtics would be as good if not a better team.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 12:56 am
    Ciolstar: Did I say if I was building a team, I’d take Nash over Rondo? Hell no. But next year, I’d still take Nash. Probably the last year.
    Also, I’d throw out the whole “Nash won in 2006 wah wah wah” rant but why bother, considering you bleed white and black.

  • KobeWearsAPurpleThong Posted: Sep.25 at 1:07 am
    Great piece on “little brother.” Thank you Holly.

  • Brad Posted: Sep.25 at 1:33 am
    JK Light, Igood list

  • Brad Posted: Sep.25 at 1:35 am
    *good

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.25 at 1:36 am
    Its silver and black, but yeah I know that 06 Suns team was as legit a contender as any, and suffered from some really bad breaks. I’m not as sure as others they would’ve won it all or even made the finals, but they were certainly unlucky that year against SA.

  • B-Moore Posted: Sep.25 at 1:36 am
    The NBA is BS if Deron Williams isn’t an all star this year.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 1:37 am
    Nash won in 2007*

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.25 at 1:40 am
    Furious: unless it went down like last year with injuries to other key players. I mean Rondo was doing EVERYTHIING. Rebounding, defending, getting to the rim at will, hitting the occasional wide open J, setting up teammates, regulating on Brad Meezy and Heinrich…. Seriously, he was everywhere. On a stable and talented team I really do like Kirk and think he should be starting somewhere, but he just can’t do the things Rondo can.

  • Tariq Posted: Sep.25 at 1:52 am
    I’ll tell you what: I’ve doubted Rondo for a long time, but give me Rondo over both Rose and Harris. Sure, he doesn’t score as much those two, but then again he has 3 HOFers who take up shots. And Rondo is a great defender.

  • Tariq Posted: Sep.25 at 1:54 am
    And I agree with Allenp in thinking Iguodala is being ranked a bit too high.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.25 at 2:35 am
    I think the fact that Rondo practically averaged a triple double is constantly being overlooked or not taken seriously. He averaged 16.8 ppg, 9.7 rpg, and 9.8 apg for his entire time in the playoffs. That rounds to a triple double actually. But I still don’t think ya’ll understand it. A 6-1 point guard averaging 9.7 rebounds a game is freaking crazy.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 2:57 am
    @Teddy: You can’t round it to a triple double, thats ridiculous.
    @ciolkstar: Im not saying Hinrich can do everything rondo can do, im just saying if i already had Pierce, allen, kg etc i would rather have hinrich running the point. He’s a good enough shooter that nobody would be able to double the superstars, and after watching the playoffs i can honestly say that hinrich is as good a defender as Rondo. he might not get the steals, but he plays as good straight up D. Hinrich running the point and they would’ve repeated.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 3:05 am
    Ciolkstar: I’m not 100% convinced they would have beat SA either. They would have most certainly annihilated Utah and Cleveland though.
    Nash pretty much singlehandedly ran that series, it’s not even funny. That was vintage Nash. After that, NONE of the Suns, not Marion, Amare, Nash, Bell, or Diaw, they never really played the same.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 3:07 am
    Furious: Eh…. As much as I love Captain Kirk and rooted for him to whoop Rondo, he’s really not the player Rondo is. Defensive equals (maybe), but pretty much everything else goes to Rondo.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 3:17 am
    Rondo is a better shooter than Hinrich? You gotta stay off the crack jukai. but seriously, yes rondo is quicker and better on the boards, but i think the celts would be better with Hinrich’s shooting. Its not as if Hinrich is a bad passer either, he could run that team fine.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 3:22 am
    I tried to find it but i couldnt. Does anyone have Steve Nash’s stats for the 07 series against the Spurs?

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 3:23 am
    I couldnt find the stats, but does anyone know the actual numbers of Steve Nash in the series against the Spurs in 2007? (sorry if its a repost, it didnt come up)

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 3:37 am
    Furious: Never said he was a better shooter, I meant he was a better scorer in general. If they wanted a good shooter, they’d put in House.
    And Nash’s stats for the series was 21.3/4.2/12.7 on 48% shooting, 52% from the three, and 85% from the line. And this is with a split nose and a referee working for ht emob.

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.25 at 3:55 am
    3 Wiz(2 Grizz too – 1 wild card before the team finalized though) no Warriors, granted one Monta would be fine or interchange with Jax if it was all done before the trade requesting. Sounds like those 3 Warriors going to the Wiz and becoming All Stars. 2 of them on here already.
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    Rondo was getting to the paint and finishing at a Tony Parker % and rate, check his stats – no dollar sign. Boston can’t replace that with Kirk and better shooting from outside. Helps when some people go down if the point can take advantage of no hand checking and has speed and large hands to finish consistently well at the rim. (The opposite intentions of Nash driving the lane to make plays and open up the court, Rondo is going in there to score) But I respect Kirk’s game. He never meshed well with Gordon and now Rose is there to take the reigns, and his contract is too big now to move him where he can get a bigger role.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 3:56 am
    Cheers for the stats. but you did say that Rondo had Hinrich on everything but defense, where they are even. You wouldnt put House in becuase he has no interest in D or passing. Still confident that hinrich and the celts would be a better team than rondo and the celts.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.25 at 4:08 am
    @Jukai: Not really that fair. Hinrich can do so much that House cannot. Really, besides the treys, what can House do?
    Now, I don’t know if Hinrich can really fare better for the C’s if you switched him for Rondo last year. Rondo’s definitely more talented and has greater upside. But I think within the Celtics’ system, the difference between the two players really isn’t that much.

  • chintao Posted: Sep.25 at 4:17 am
    I’ll defend this ranking. There are five positions on the floor (PG, SG, SF, PF, C). Rondo is one of the top 6 point guards in the league. I don’t see how anyone can dispute that. On that basis, even given a little wiggle room for overloads of talent at certain spots, Rondo belongs in this vicinity. If I were Donnie Walsh, I’d be using more effort to scheme on Rondo than I would to woo LeBron.

  • Furious Posted: Sep.25 at 4:20 am
    everything chintao said (which wasnt that valid anyway) was wasted by suggesting it would be better to go after rondo than lebron. if you honestly believe that you have no business on this site.

  • rikson Posted: Sep.25 at 5:12 am
    Dont sleep on the fact, that no other young PG in the league, has a squad around him that comes even close to bostons 3-4 hof sorrounding Rondo. Check his stats! He needs the space he gets from KG,Allen and Pierce to penetrate as his J is NOT existent from 3 AND midrange. And dont forget about the helpside defense behind Rondo too – which allows him to defend the shot of other perimeter players! NO WAY hes a top 6 PG right now!!!

  • Blinguo Posted: Sep.25 at 5:25 am
    chintao does business on this site just fine without your approval Furious. As a Knicks fan he doesn’t buy into that LeBron hype/pipe dream, and has abandoned that course. Why would LeBron come and play by himself in MSG with no bigtime signed players for that year?
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    Talking down to people double time for having a different opinion then telling them they need to GTFO for having one? Dude ain’t as noble as Trey’s dad in Boyz in the Hood for sure.

  • Dutch Rob Posted: Sep.25 at 6:48 am
    Looking at last year and next year Rondo in my book is def. a top 6 point guard .When he plays good the C’z are nearly unbeatable (with KG in the line up). Just look at game 6 of the 08 finals. They destroyed the Lakers in that game and when you almost average triple double in the playoffs at 6’1 and 170 you’re imo a pretty good PG.
    Yes he has the future HOF’s around him but he’s has proved he can carry the C’z when he has to.

  • al Posted: Sep.25 at 6:55 am
    Calderón is better, and probably will not even be in the list

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.25 at 9:40 am
    al. Calderon won’t be up here, and he’s NOWHERE as good as Rondo. Sure, he has great stats, but he doesn’t really make the Raptors any better than TJ Ford did. I’d be suprised if Jarrett Jack ISN’T playing all the crunch-time minutes up there by the middle of December.

  • Klav Posted: Sep.25 at 10:21 am
    Damn, almost 200 comments on a Rondo post? CRAZY!

  • hillbilly Posted: Sep.25 at 10:33 am
    @klav
    I was just thinkin’ the same thing!
    Oh, well. As CWebb would say…”Ra-jonnnnnnnnnnn Ronnnnnnnnnnnnnn-doooooooooooooooo!”

  • K.a. Posted: Sep.25 at 10:58 am
    Even without touching on his shot, while productive and a beast, he’s not a lead guard at the pg spot like a baron or Nash et al. He’s a role player that puts up great numbers in a system that’s made him a great fit: pushing the ball in transition, slashing in the half court surrounded by great jump shooters and terrific on defense either on or off the ball. But he can’t break his man down and create plays like the great PGs. And not mature enough to dictate offense without directly making plays like stockton for instance. But he has the potential to get there so I’d give him the benefit of doubt since he’s risen to every challenge so far. Til then, borderline top 5 pg but definitely a 6 or 7 in top ten pg.

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  • tavoris Posted: Sep.25 at 12:02 pm
    K.a. do you know that Jerry Sloan called out the plays on EVERY possession of Stockton’s career? The first time he’s given the PG the reins is for Deron Williams. And Rondo is so freakishly quick & athletic that he doesn’t have to break his man down-he just blows right by them.

  • K.a. Posted: Sep.25 at 12:19 pm
    I’m aware that john was a cookie cutter type guy but I just cited him as an example of floor general amongst greats who usually are great athletes (like Thomas for instance). Other examples from johns peers would be mark Jackson, even that whatshisname from spurs 1st chip: they command the floor. Rondos not there yet, nor is he a playmaker off the dribble, so he’s atypical of the 2 spectrums of PGs, hence that’s the reason opinion on him is divided, not just lack of a jumpshot. Tony parkers kind of like that, but he’s silenced his doubters thx to time.

  • ja lawrence Posted: Sep.25 at 1:22 pm
    I actually think this is a pretty solid spot for Rondo. What he did in the Playoffs was bananas. And consider that he did it all while playing hurt. People are quick to dismiss him because of all the star power on the Celtics roster but the fact that they’re all happy with the way the team is being run also speaks to Rondo’s ability. Nice article.

  • dial up Posted: Sep.25 at 1:51 pm
    What you guys dont realize is that the reason Rondo averaged a trip double in the FIRST series, is that Rose’s d is that bad. He literally let Rondo score,assist,bound as much as he wants. Rondo just ran all over him.

  • tavoris Posted: Sep.25 at 2:52 pm
    dial up, that is a very good point. Solidifies this pick further tho, since Rose is surely gonna be on this list.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.25 at 3:35 pm
    tavoris: And when the reins were given to Utah, they are an 8th seed and early playoff exit. Huh. Says something about Jerry Sloan’s coaching abilities, eh?

  • dutch Rob Posted: Oct.2 at 2:46 pm
    Rondo is an athletic freak bwt
    So quick and that dunk vs orlando in the playoffs was just NASTY! RONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  • Vegas Posted: Oct.3 at 2:48 pm
    Rondo should be 17th

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