• September 14, 2009 8:00 am  |  74 Comments

    Top 50: Ray Allen, no. 36

    The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

    by Jonathan Evans

    Ray Allen is a grown ass man. The 13-year vet has been around the block a few times. In that time, he’s made more threes than anyone in the history of the NBA not names Reggie Miller, gone to nine all-star games and set the record for threes made in the Finals with 22. By now, everyone kRay Allennows the game. What everyone may not know is the makeup of the man behind the sweetest stroke in the league. More than the jumper, it is that makeup that will make him a force to be reckoned with going into the ‘09-10 season.

    Back when Three the Hard Way tore through the league on the way to the 2008 title, it was Ray that sacrificed the most. He went from the top dog for a decade to essentially a spot up shooting third option. In the name of ubuntu, Ray fit perfectly in this reduced role by spacing the floor, draining jumpers and opening things up for the slashing Pierce and Rondo.

    But don’t mistake stepping aside with falling off. When KG went down, Allen helped carry the flag to keep the Celtics among the east’s elite. Sugar Ray dropped 18 a game shooting 48% from the field and 40% from three. How about this, based on +/- statistics, Ray Allen was the most productive player last season. Look at the net on court/off court differential, no other Celtic touches him.

    Then came the rollercoaster ride of the playoffs. In the first game against Chicago, Ray shot a putrid 1 for 12 from the field in the two-point loss. After missing a shot that would have forced a second overtime, it looked as if there was a giant fork was piercing through the number 20 on the back of his jersey.

    But there was no time to dwell in defeat and prepare for the sunset of his career. His team needed him and so he responded. In the next game, his 28 second half points including a go ahead three with 2.0 seconds left to pull his Celtics back into the series. Games later, his 51-point outburst affirmed that the artist formerly known as Jesus Shuttlesworth still has game.

    But for all of the clutch shots he hit against the Bulls, there were also the head scratching no-shows against the Magic. The seemingly all or nothing performances from Ray likely reflected the fact that his then thirty three year old legs had gotten the best of him. After such an inconsistent series, the million dollar question is, entering his 14th season, can Ray bring it every night?

    To answer that question, we need to return to the makeup of Walter Ray Allen. It goes without saying that Ray Allen is a talented basketball player. But more importantly, Ray Allen is probably one of the most persistent players in the league. As he said in The Improper Bostonian earlier this year, “A long time ago, somebody told me that they thought God had blessed me with a jump shot, and the ability to be a great NBA player. That surprised me. I was like, ‘Do you really believe that?’ God blessed me with health, a healthy family and the ability to go out and find for myself what I wanted to do. He granted me with the competitive drive to want to be the best and the sound mind to accomplish my goals. But that came through focus and dedication, not from some Godgiven right.”

    At this critical point in his career, it will be these signature traits of Ray Allen that will be needed just as much as the silky smooth jumper. Talent only goes so far and it is the makeup of the man that takes one to the next level. His legendary work ethic combined with his borderline case of obsessive compulsive disorder lets us know that Allen is fully geared towards erasing the disappointment of the Orlando series. Entering this season, he is rested, healthy and is putting in the work to affirm his place among the league’s elite two guards.

    Ray Allen is a grown ass man. How many other NBA swingmen do you think follow Bill Cosby and Danny Glover on twitter? In the last year of his contract, he knows what’s at stake and the criticality of the moment. This is arguably his last, best chance at another ring. The onus falls on him to carry much of that burden and help lead the veteran-laden Celtics back to the top. Now, fully healthy and with Marquis Daniels in the fold, Ray should be able to have enough in the tank for a deep playoff run. After coming up short in the conference semifinals, look for Ray to do what he always has done. Respond. Boasting that beautifully deadly jumper, Sugar Ray will do all he can to make sure next season ends with duckboats in June instead of in disappointment in May.

    Notes
    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
    • Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
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    • James the Balla Posted: Sep.14 at 8:06 am
      Moose, you got me!!

    • big bad boss Posted: Sep.14 at 8:08 am
      Jesus!!!

    • Ken Posted: Sep.14 at 8:24 am
      “duckboats in June.” Nice touch there.

    • James the Balla Posted: Sep.14 at 8:47 am
      So is Rondo next?

    • DP Posted: Sep.14 at 8:48 am
      this is actually about right for allen. he still has it in him to produce 20 a night at any given time. His shot his still pure as hell and dude is pretty damn clutch. play wit it.

    • DP Posted: Sep.14 at 8:48 am
      Rondo will be around 31 or 30. Pierce after him and KG last of course. play wit it.

    • Overtime Posted: Sep.14 at 8:51 am
      There’ll be controversy on this one, but its a good ranking. Ray, with a combination of absolutely deadly skills, superior bball I.Q and still pretty decent atheleticism, Ray Allen is an incredibly dangerous player. Ask shooting guards who they least like to defend, I guarentee Ray is in the top ten, he’d be in my top 5.

    • Furious Posted: Sep.14 at 9:21 am
      I like this ranking. Ray better than Reggie when all is said and done?

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    • Moose Posted: Sep.14 at 9:52 am
      Who’s your daddy James? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • German Reignman Posted: Sep.14 at 9:52 am
      Reggie = basketball icon Ray = one of basketballs best shooters ever

    • Z Posted: Sep.14 at 9:56 am
      Furious, not even close. Ray is a vastly superior basketball player. However, I think he’s done. If it’s based on this upcoming year, I don’t think he has much left in the tank (as far as Top 50 dudes go). A lot of guys that were already picked are more productive than him at this stage in his career.

    • Bryan Posted: Sep.14 at 9:57 am
      Ray is a better player than reggie.

    • letsmotor Posted: Sep.14 at 9:59 am
      The thing about Ray is that he’s fundamentally sound. There are lots of young players who score strictly off of physical talent, but Ray can score because he knows the game. Age (as we saw in the conference semis) prevents him from being consistent, but don’t let that fool you–the best shooter in the league has still got it, and will have it for a while. If I were part of Celtics management, I’d sign that contract extension in a second.

    • T Money Posted: Sep.14 at 10:25 am
      Hands down one of the most graceful players ever.

    • T Money Posted: Sep.14 at 10:27 am
      If the Celtics are all healthy this year, I don’t really see any team beating them in a seven game series.

    • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.14 at 10:58 am
      Ray Allen will go down as one of the greatest shooters and classiest players ever. Oh, and probably one of the best actors. Not a bad legacy at all!

    • Bryan Posted: Sep.14 at 11:03 am
      I don’t why so many people think his production fell off so far he still has a lot left in my book. Maybe not every night anymore but I think his supposed declien in production has more to do with playing with other people who need the ball on a defensive minded team than his abilities dropping off.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 11:12 am
      it’s crazy to think a player that doesn’t rely on athleticism will drop off. He is playing in a system that gives him FAR less scoring opportunities than Seattle…he’s still capable of 23-25ppg easily.

    • Brad Long Posted: Sep.14 at 11:23 am
      Meh.

    • one of the most underapreciatted players of all-time and one of my favorites ever….second best to come out of the 1996 Draft….top-20 in the NBA now AND top-15 in the world for the past decade…i simply love Ray,and i am sure that if he wasn’t such a gentleman you also would mention him in the same breath as Baron and the 2 cartoons(of course it is an insult to compare him with those jokes of players but such things happen here…).

    • Kris Posted: Sep.14 at 11:30 am
      underrated player. If his +/- average is the best in the league and he is able to score 51 points in a game, how is it that there are 35 players better than this guy in the league? rondo has speed and youth but does that make him the better player? his age counts against him but at remember when only kobe and a fully healthy mcgrady were considered better shooting guards?

    • Z Posted: Sep.14 at 11:33 am
      Bryan, because in the playoffs he’d shoot like Josh Smith every other game.

    • Bryan Posted: Sep.14 at 11:55 am
      Sure z but josh smith wasn’t dropping 51.

    • niQ Posted: Sep.14 at 11:56 am
      I remember when the Celtics traded for Ray Allen and basically said “meh. pierce and allen, both shoot 3’s.” Then they got KG and all hell broke loose. On another note, Ray Allen is the person you do not want shooting the last shot at the end of the game. He’s too clutch.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 12:03 pm
      SOFOKLIS, how can someone be top 20 in the NBA, but top 15 in the world?

    • Ryne Nelson Posted: Sep.14 at 12:08 pm
      Yeah, I’d like to hear SOFOKLIS’ thoughts on that statement.

    • Brad Long Posted: Sep.14 at 12:09 pm
      Yall forgot about that squad from Mars. The Mon-stars?

    • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.14 at 12:09 pm
      The East might still not be better than the West, but it’s close…. only 6 weeks to go!

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 12:11 pm
      lol @ Brad & Ryne…he puzzles me so…

    • Jukai Posted: Sep.14 at 12:22 pm
      Tavoris: When Spanny says “world” he means “FIBA.” He originally agreed to call it FIBA for a while, but then gave up, obviously his extreme limited attention span went back onto salivating over an AI ad or something.
      Basically, if you can shoot and defend, you are a better world player. If you can run and dunk, you are a better NBA player. That’s Spanny’s logic.

    • LeoneL Posted: Sep.14 at 12:23 pm
      So,is he Sugar Ray, Jesus, or the Baby-Face Assassin?

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 12:29 pm
      thanks, Jukai. what about those players who can Shoot, Defend, Run, and Dunk? Or what about players who can Defend and Dunk, but not shoot? (Jemario Moon or Andre Iguodala immediately come to mind). It’s all so very complicated.

    • Jukai Posted: Sep.14 at 12:54 pm
      Tavoris: What makes it worse is that players who can’t play a lick of defense but he likes (IE Carlos Delifno), he’ll overrate them, and players who can shoot but he doesn’t like (IE Allen Iverson) he’ll underrate them.
      Alas, that’s the system!

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    • monkeyball Posted: Sep.14 at 1:07 pm
      I just don’t understand the rankings on this list, given the “Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance” disclaimer. Is Ray Allen going to have better numbers than OJ Mayo next year? NO WAY!!!
      And if it’s not about the numbers, what’s it about? The guys career accomplishments? Then it’s not “solely on projected…”. The team’s success? Then it shouldn’t be about individual players.
      If you want to put up a totally subjective and inconsistent list, then that’s fine (I”ll certainly read it, as I read all things SLAM), but what is the deal?

    • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.14 at 1:18 pm
      The bias is showing

    • Z Posted: Sep.14 at 1:29 pm
      I’m with monkeyball on this one, Ray Allen is not Top 50 anymore. If he were playing for Milwaukee or OKC right now, nobody would think about putting him on this list. I get that Boston is a contender but this is a list based on projected individual accomplishments for the upcoming year, right?

    • Bryan Posted: Sep.14 at 1:44 pm
      If he was on okc or milwaukee he would still be putting up 23 4 and 4 and probably be higher.

    • la huey Posted: Sep.14 at 1:45 pm
      you guys may have seen this but i think kg’s crazy has seeped into ray’s veins. http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2009/09/ray-allen-is-officially-bored-this-offseason.html

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 2:09 pm
      monkeyball, don’t forget that Mayo and Allen had VERY similar numbers when Mayo only had to share the rock with Gay…now he has Randolph and Iverson to share with. Even with his improvement, his (Mayo) numbers will still probably stay the same this year.

    • jdn41 Posted: Sep.14 at 2:27 pm
      stop b*tching ray allen is top 50 just give the old man some respect damnit

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 3:04 pm
      Jukai, I bet SOFOKLIS thinks Kyle Korver, Matt Bonner, and Jason Kapono are top-10 all-world…

    • @Ryne,tavoris,Jukai…:Ryne,Ryne,….you disapointed me man,i was expecting much more from you…i mean, everybody knows that tavoris&jukai ain’t the Ludwig Wittgensteins of that forum (ok, they ain’t Eboys either but you get the point) but you SHOULD have understood the deference between somebody being top-20 NBA N-O-W (i should have used bold???!!) and top-15 in the world (you can use NBA instead, holds true also there) for T-H-E P-A-S-T D-E-C-A-D-E. I will just say that Ray is past his prime and if a kid has an objection to this fact he can talk with Teddy-the-bear….Ok, i’ll give you one more example(although it disapoints me that i have to break it down like this to you…): SHAQ is top 50 in the NBA N-O-W but he is top-5 in the world FOR THE PAST DECADE…(man i am really an average inteligence guy but here you make me feel like a f*…n genious!! Thanks.)

    • mike Posted: Sep.14 at 3:25 pm
      i love to watch him play - exudes smooth

    • on some more serious note let’s just move to the most important bball tournament in the world for 2009 that is taking place this week in Poland…i watched soem games the past 3 days 30km away from the “Dracula castle” In Carpathian Mountians (a beautiful place,i suggest you to visit it if you ever have the opportunity)and i was thinking how much the game has changed the past 25 years…i remember the worldchampionships of 1986 and 1990 quite vividly when the U.S. teams that where featuring only college guys where able to be always near the top. I remember Mugsy Bogues(along with the admiral) really dominating in the final a Soviet team that was going to win the Olympics 2 years later and the GREAT Kenny Anderson (the ones who saw him play from 17 to 24 years old know what i am talking about) performing a dribbling clinic in Argentina (although he and Alonzo came sort in the end..). The sight of Kenny dribbling his way between 2 greak defenders at the first game of the tournament(we lost at overtime…)and finally having them to bang their heads is still on my mind….the bottom line is that great college guys 20 years ago could dominate worldchampionships while really good ones today (Nick Kalathes) cannot even give some rest to Spanoulis and Zisis at the preliminary rounds of the European tournament(damn it)…to the games now…

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 3:48 pm
      SOFOKLIS, the point is that your comparison(s) are SERIOUSLY flawed. Additionally, your justifications of who’s a “good player” is/was/will continue to be incredibly biased to those who are from “European backgrounds”.

    • tavoris Posted: Sep.14 at 3:52 pm
      why compare a players status “current vs historic”, and then completely ruin the comparison by throwing “NBA vs World” in it? That is as pire a definition of faulty reasoning as I have EVER seen on this site.

    • I was impressed by the Germans in the game they played against us but propably happened what usually happens when a small team is faicng a super-power:they play out of their mind trying to prove that they belong and since nobody is expecting much from them they are shooting usually with better percentages and then became dangerous…anyway, i never became afraid of losing by the Germans but the really inpressed me with all those tall-long guys that they have gathered(next game they lost by the nonexistent FYROM)….same think is true for the Turks that they did’t need to take anything at all from Hedo in order to beat a Spain team that has clearly problems with their new coach. At that game Ricky was simply T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E, thank god none of the kids here saw him or else i would have to hear it for the next 10 years…the guy was a mistake making machine,i thought at a moment that Pau was going to pull a Latrell on him….Semih Erden is a really impressing guy playing near the well known comodity Ersan Ilyasova…the game between France and FYROM reminded me the games between USA and Angola(it is always them winning Africa) on the Olympics the past 25 years: a dunking clinic with Parker throwing alley-opps to Batum,Pietrus and Turiaf…Slovenia continous to dominate and making me smart since i picked them to be one of the favorites even after they played really terrible after preperation games…Greece lost from a fighting but otherwise average Russian team basically because we had nobody to rest Spanoulis and Zisis (Kalampokis was terrible and Kalathes didn’t play a minute…)….the 1 place of our group will be decided 24 hours from now when we play against unbeaten France.Until tomorrow night…GO GREECE!!!

    • a correction: Sofoklis is 150kg currently(official data from poland)but since this is quite a drop from last years’ 180-190 it seemed to me around 130 when i saw him playing live 4 weeks ago in Greece. In Poland the guy is dominating opposing big men almost the way he did in Japan 3 years ago(Dwight and Elton Brand still have nightmares…)if he manages to stay focused AND in shape for the next year i expect him to be one of the dominant forces in the worldchampionship next year. When on his game and under 160kg he is the most unstopable force near the basket in the world(NBA included)…you cannot imagine how exlosive and quick this guy is.

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.14 at 4:47 pm
      Y’all still trying to get Greek dude to use logic?
      Y’all must like the feeling of brick on your foreheads.

    • MSkittle Posted: Sep.14 at 4:48 pm
      He disappears in the playoffs, though

    • whenever i forget to mention Allenp’s name near Eboy’s, my little one is reacting like the kid that for whatever reason gets less attention from his parents in a certain occasion…i’ll say it once more: i love you both the same. Simple as that.

    • the game between Serbia and Turkey just finished leaving the Turks still unbeaten….the Serbs had the destiny of the game in their disposition in the end but they managed to be left with the ball in their hands and the score at 64-64. On the extra period they managed to score 0 points while looking toscore exclusively from 3-point line…Asin was again great along with their contstantly best player of the tournament Ersan Ilyasova. Hedo was (again) invisible….

    • oh my god….Hedo had 1/16 field goals….

    • Allenp Posted: Sep.14 at 5:31 pm
      Greek dude
      Your patronizing tone is amusing. Since we will never meet in real life, it’s pointless to take offense at your childish rants.
      I have tried reasoning with you, now I mainly ignore you. However, I like Tavoris and was trying to hip him to the fact that attempting to have an intelligent discussion with you is a waste of time.
      The best thing to do is to let you spew your ignorance upon the screen for the world to see, and let you be identified for the fool you truly are by your own words. Nobody needs to debate you for you to display your idiocy. Your comments are like most masturbation, a solo sport with predictable results.

    • mike Posted: Sep.14 at 5:32 pm
      mskittle - did they not televise the 08 finals where you live?

    • ….yeap,thats my kids!!!

    • Richard ESQ Posted: Sep.14 at 6:18 pm
      Having Rondo ranked ahead of Ray Allen is straight up stupid. Its Sarah Palin stupid. Ray Allen was the best player on the Celtics last year, anyone who watches basketball and not ESPN highlights knows this. OJ Mayo is not better than Ray Allen, the debate should be, will OJ Mayo EVER be as good as Ray Allen is now?

    • Pardeep Posted: Sep.14 at 7:02 pm
      Good ranking and I think if Ray was not on such a stacked team he would be putting up 25 a night in some situations. But I still think he was the best player for the Celtics last season. The year before he sacraficed the most and people sort of forgot about him untill the Finals when everyone was like oh sh*t Ray Allen just gotta ring. Ray Ray is one of the best players of the post jordan era.

    • nbk Posted: Sep.14 at 7:09 pm
      Richard Rondo was the best player on the celtics at the end of last year. Ray Allen was their best shooter thats it. And only espn highlights would make someone think Rondo wasn’t their best player

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.14 at 7:10 pm
      Ray Allen and Reggie Miller are two of my many favorite players ever. Ray Allen is a great player and a great guy. But I still don’t think he’s better than Reggie. Maybe at the end of his career it will be close (well it already is close), but Reggie Miller is already a top 50 caliber player.
      Co-sign Richard ESQ: Ray Allen is way better than Rajon Rondo. He was even better than Pierce for a lot of last year, especially during the playoffs.

    • nbk Posted: Sep.14 at 7:25 pm
      does defense matter to anyone? just like last year, the one sided players, or increasingly one sided players were all ranked right around 35-50 and people got all mad about their spot by saying they are better then a player who is actually productive on both sides of the court. For example in the playoffs last year, in 41 minutes a night Rajon Rondo averaged 16.9 ppg 9.7 rpg and 9.8 apg + 2 spg. Ray Allen 18.3 ppg, 3.9 trb, 2.6 apg, and a little over 1 steal. You figure it out

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.14 at 8:01 pm
      Good point. I correct myself in saying Allen is “way better” than Rajon Rondo, but I still think he’s more clutch and better at many aspects of the game. I also like him more.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.14 at 8:02 pm
      I have an inkling Marion is going to somehow appear on this list at #35.

    • tealish Posted: Sep.14 at 8:13 pm
      Shawn Marion? Really? No way he makes this list.

    • Anton Posted: Sep.14 at 8:46 pm
      Pierce is a slasher? More like slow-motion-dribble-to-the-foul line-while-moaning-in-pain…er.
      @ tavoris: “Mayo only had to share the rock with Gay” You just gave the struggling porn industry a great new title for a film.

    • black pinoy Posted: Sep.14 at 11:23 pm
      i think marion is gonna do great dis year.. because now, like when he was with the suns, he has a pass first point guard (im not sure if that really applies with nash) .. but having howard and marion on the same court would be great to see.. i just hope they pull it together and please play some d.. always wanted to see ths team win well i always want to see kidd win..sorry of topic.. but yeah allen wont be as good as he was last year . hes deadly i know,,

    • black pinoy Posted: Sep.14 at 11:24 pm
      dont get me wrong but hes getting too old.. knees are bound to give in

    • Big Kobe Fan Posted: Sep.15 at 1:47 am
      this is the first rating i agree with

    • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Sep.15 at 1:59 am
      One of the best shooters in NBA history. I still love Ray Allens game, he still can be one of the toughest guys in the league to defend.

    • Charles Kirk Posted: Sep.16 at 3:05 pm
      In my opinion OJ Mayo is very similar to Ray Allen.

    • Blinguo Posted: Sep.16 at 9:22 pm
      Danny Glover & Cosby are “Too old for this sh*t,” not a glowing metaphor for Ray, but jury’s out on him not being too old. He turns it on to another level in the playoffs though, but needs a healthy deep team to weather the load during the season so he can have a chance to do so. Which Boston has now.

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