September 26, 2009 8:00 am  |  119 Comments

Top 50: Vince Carter, no. 25

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Fleischer

Vince Carter plays with no heart.

Seriously, it’s true. You thinkVince Carter so, don’t you?

You hear it a lot. You might believe it, and you’ve probably said it. In the very least, the thought has crossed your mind during the man’s twelve NBA seasons. And who can blame you. We’ve been fed such a theory so often that it’s become widely accepted.

But it’s not true. Really, it’s not.

What’s true is that we just wanted a reason to justify why Vince let us down. Because that’s what he did. Let us down. Fall short of our hopes. Fail to meet the goals we set for him. Whatever you wanna call it.

He came out of North Carolina with boatloads of potential, poised to be one of the game’s next megastars. So we opened out hearts to him. His hops took him beyond the Milky Waywhere our expectations similarly soaredand his smile won over channel surfers across the country otherwise disenchanted with the sport. And the Jordan comparisonsin the wake of MJ’s retirement and at the height of the search for an Air Apparentonly served to further illuminate his growing star.

At first, we were anything but disappointed. Nah, matter of fact, VC gave us what we asked for and then some. Rookie of the Year in the shortened lockout season. All-Star, Third Team All-NBA and the architect of the greatest Slam Dunk Contest performance of my lifetime (and probably ever) the next year. Plus, he took Toronto to their first playoff appearance in franchise history. Year three, more of the same. Forty-seven wins for the Raps. Top five in the L in scoring for Vince. It was his time.

Simultaneously as we were taking him for granted, he was being taken away from us in his mid-twenties like he was a rap legend or some shit. But Vince didn’t get capped (although when he put one on for graduation he heard the hate ring out. Hey, let’s criticize one of the few guys in the League that values education and actually finishes his degree! That’s a great message for kids! Basketball over books!). Instead of some quick bullets, though, he was taken away slowly, injury by injury, loss by loss, season by season.

The final days in Toronto weren’t pretty and there’s no two ways about that. But Vince made the Raptors relevant. You didn’t watch them on national TV before, and haven’t since. Those few years of playoff runs were Vince at his most awe inducing and us at our most willing to consume his game, his style, his persona.

His final year(s) above the border truly turned many people off. But New Jersey was supposed to be a new beginning, another shot at doing what we knew he could. In some ways, it was. Teaming with Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson, he helped lead them to a playoff birth his first year in New Jersey and an Atlantic Division title during his first full year in 2005-06.

The years that followed were more of the same: the Nets as an above average team, but never one surfacing as a true threat for a title. Maybe it was because Vince wasn’t able to bring them to that elite status, even when he had legitimate talent around him. It’s also possible that the talent was never elite enough to claim that status. It’s most likely some combination of the two.

Yet, his play has been a constant during that time. Not looking anything like we had once hoped it would, but still, in many ways, performing like we had always imagined. He usually scores in the mid-twenties. He rebounds and dishes out assists at a better rate than he did in T Dot. He logs serious minutes and hits it respectably from the stripe and the field.

The hate, animosity, and relative irrelevancy of the Nets have each helped to often mask this. No longer.

As he prepares to suit up for the Eastern Conference Champs and an actual contender in Orlando, there’s a chance for another life. A third one, a second one, a fifth one. I don’t know. But there’s another shot for us to accept him and for him to give us the right to.

Stan Van Gundy has already admitted that the ball will be in Vince’s hands down the stretch, and that’s something to look forward to. The question isn’t whether or not he’s still got it. Cause he does. It’s not even to what level he’s still got it. The question is how often he’ll show us. What will happen when he’s faced with his first meaningful playoff game in nearly a decade?

I’ll bet that heart’s still got some pitter-patter left in it.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • K.a. Posted: Sep.26 at 8:19 am
    first!

  • yoyy Posted: Sep.26 at 8:22 am
    WAYYYYY toooo high for vc

  • K.a. Posted: Sep.26 at 8:22 am
    I like vince, but I’d honestly have turkey glue over carter as a magic to win it all. I’m setting my expectations low and just looking forward to the alleys served by jwill to vince and dwights oops.

  • yoyy Posted: Sep.26 at 8:23 am
    well close second for me… I was actually first but went to pee… so f u K.a

  • jufu Posted: Sep.26 at 8:27 am
    gud to see vinsanity finally get some love around here. here’s to you vince. ps first

  • jufu Posted: Sep.26 at 8:27 am
    my bad second

  • Vince_back Posted: Sep.26 at 8:30 am
    vince will get a chamption to orlando.
    i’m pretty sure about it!!!!!!!!!!

  • T Money Posted: Sep.26 at 8:35 am
    It looks like SLAM designed for rankings 50, 25, and 1 to be the most controversial

  • T Money Posted: Sep.26 at 8:37 am
    Oh, and thanks for a great write up, Adam. I’m fast becoming a fan of your work.

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Sep.26 at 8:39 am
    He’s as clutch as kobe …

  • D-Jones Posted: Sep.26 at 9:08 am
    Any whites on this list? SLAM is racist.

  • mdshuai Posted: Sep.26 at 9:18 am
    Dirk will be on there for sure. And Nash

  • COLT6 Posted: Sep.26 at 9:35 am
    LOL at D-Jones. Dirk is on the way. Manu, Nash SHOULD be in the Top 50. Relevant caucasians in the L come few and far between but no, Basketball should know no race. It’s not the color of your skin son, it’s how you play the goddamn game. Speaking of relevance… On to VC. Yes, he still has it. Marginally not as clutch as Kobe, Simon but Vinsanity can bring it like the best wingmen in the NBA. Can they beat Boston and Cleveland is the question. Ding ding! Not with Stan Van Chokey they can’t. Idiot makes the dumbest coaching moves in the clutch (see Skip/Jameer rotation in last season’s finals). Unless the Magic makes a coaching change, I don’t see them get past the Celtics and the Cavs.

  • Moose Posted: Sep.26 at 9:35 am
    Can’t argue with this post. Great write-up, Adam.

  • cramzy Posted: Sep.26 at 9:38 am
    Vince can’t lose this year. He’s got a superstar bigman and allstars at 1 and 3. I’m really looking forward to him being an impact player this year. He’s still a 20-5-5 guy.

  • Young C Posted: Sep.26 at 9:56 am
    Vince Carter = Andre Igudala with a jumpshot

  • desmon Posted: Sep.26 at 9:58 am
    Only a loser would take turkeylu over Vince. I mean, you did see the gamewinner lebron hit in turkeylu’s face. That’s right, his 6′11 frame didn’t even bother to jump or put a hand in his face. Vince has never even played with a real big man and may not have the best d, but its miles better than turkey’s. Better passer as well.

  • Royal Posted: Sep.26 at 10:08 am
    desmon: If Hedo would have jumped the refs would have called a foul.(The ref always do things in LeBron’s favor)

  • Esco Posted: Sep.26 at 10:16 am
    Royal: There’s jumping into a player and creating contact (a foul) and there’s jumping straight up to contest a shot (not a foul). I doubt if Hedo had jumped straight up instead of just raising a hand that the refs would have called a foul. Your comment, therefore, makes no sense.

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Sep.26 at 10:37 am
    Vince was one of those guys who relied soley on his athleticism in the early to mid part of his career. Then as years progressed he decided to focus more on his perimeter elements, which is what we’re seeing now. It’s not as dramatic as other older players but he still gets the job done. I don’t have an issue with him being in the top 30, however 25 is a little too high, maybe if he made the playoffs, then yeah.

  • Harlem Posted: Sep.26 at 10:39 am
    too low,he’s top 15 imo

  • Wayno Posted: Sep.26 at 10:42 am
    Good spot for VC. I love the guy, but he does lack heart if the situation around him isn’t going the way he wants it too. He was totally dogging it in his last days in Toronto.

  • Adam Fleischer Posted: Sep.26 at 10:56 am
    Thanks for the love T-Money and Moose. Much appreciated.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.26 at 10:57 am
    Mourning still has nightmares when Vince gave it to him in his early days as a Net….

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.26 at 10:57 am
    Mourning still has nightmares when Vince gave it to him in his early days as a Net…. boom!!

  • Overtime Posted: Sep.26 at 11:05 am
    I would actually have Vince a bit higher. Always has been a favourite of mine, and i still think he’s getting better. Last season was probably his best overall, its just a shame it was on the goddam Nets

  • wowski Posted: Sep.26 at 11:08 am
    @COLT6 Stan van gundy can’t get past Cleveland and Boston? lol
    What planet you been on during the 2008 playoffs? I think 25th is ok for vince this coming season. Boy will be on national tv 20 or so times this season. He puts up 18 5 5 with 55 win minimun and the 25th ranking is earned.

  • Shem Posted: Sep.26 at 11:19 am
    no way vince is top 15 id put him 25-30. Im a raptors fan, i hate the way he did us but i gotta admit hes got game

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  • Orlando Green Posted: Sep.26 at 11:32 am
    Someone said he was as clutch as Kobe…thats just crazy talk. Im tired of raptors fan crying about how Vince F’ed them over. Franchise players leave teams all the time, they demand for trades because there not happy, that’s the business.

  • rex Posted: Sep.26 at 12:07 pm
    Vince is just inredible man, before he came to the Nets, we weren’t even gonna make the playoffs that year. Of course, we never went far in the playoffs, not without a front court…Jason Collins as a starting center wasn’t cutting it. Funny thing is, when Kobe or Lebron makes a game winning shot, the media goes craaaazy, but Vince Carter actually has the MOST game winning shots of all active players!!!!! Yes, the same heartless, clutchless Carter.

  • Jake Posted: Sep.26 at 12:22 pm
    That was a beautifully orchestrated piece of literature I must say:).I hate basketball for taking so many stars away right as they are reaching their prime(i.e. Vince,T-Mac,Mcdyess,Penny,Grant Hill,Bryant Reeves…ok maybe not the last one)but at the same time that’s what makes me love the game.You never know when it’s going to all end for one of the stars so you watch and take it all in until that day comes.I miss the days of seeing Vince grab quarters of the top of the backboard in the ACC but he is still as deadly as day one when it comes down to the wire and you have to appreciate him for that.He’s one of the most underrated players of the last 5 years in my opinion.And I watch at least 200 games of basketball a year,so I think I can make that distinction.Let’s see him in the top 15 next year!

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 12:45 pm
    Co sign Orlando Green. I WAS a Raptor fan. But if I was Vince I would leave too. Ya’ll put a team around him, then traded away. Tmac left and got NOTHING in return. You make the playoffs, then trade the players away again. Terrible. Great article Adam. I hate how people say he has no heart. And fully agree that we wanted him to be so great, and he couldn’t live up to it. So now we kind of look down on him. I wish we could put him top 5 but obviously that won’t happen.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 12:46 pm
    Carmelo should be top 2…. ahead of kobe

  • Brad Long Posted: Sep.26 at 1:07 pm
    Vince is gonna be nasty in Orlando this year. It’s gonna be the first time he’s played with a real life NBA center in his entire career.

  • Hangtime Hec Posted: Sep.26 at 1:16 pm
    This article changed my whole opinion on VC. I was one of those that just hated him cause he played without a soul. I even had a theory that the man was depressed. But I can see clearly now. I never really appreciated the fact that he was at first in his career a athletic animal and later into his career a more overall player. Like someone said before, you rarely see that. If he didn’t have a heart he wouldn’t have made those fixes and improved his game while his athleticism was declining. This is a good spot for him.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 1:24 pm
    Antonio Davis was a good center.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 1:25 pm
    @ B. Long.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 1:34 pm
    Vince’s skills have never been questioned. Its ALWAYS been his heart. When has anyone ever said, “I don’t think Vince Carter has what it takes to be a superstar because he just isn’t good enough”? He was injured for a bit, yes, but when he wanted out of Toronto he basically quit on his team.
    I do think he’ll play the best we’ve seen him play since Toronto though, because he DOES have a good team. But don’t give me that bull about how he’s always had heart, because that’s obviously not the case.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 1:35 pm
    @ Orlando Green: Franchise players leave teams willingly all the time, yes, but the fans of those teams have the right to be angry at that player. And this happens all the time, too.

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 1:42 pm
    Hey … someone is using my name lol!! That second one is not me!!

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.26 at 2:16 pm
    Hedo was all up in brons grill. Bron just made a very difficult shot. I doubt vc would’ve done better

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.26 at 2:21 pm
    VC is prolly not top 25 material. But he is def top 10 most appealing player in the L

  • dma Posted: Sep.26 at 2:27 pm
    this is about NEXT season. vince will be back. going to Orlando will revitalize his career and his “heart”

  • T Money Posted: Sep.26 at 2:31 pm
    A ring makes everything better. Just ask Kobe.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.26 at 2:42 pm
    F YOU carter and thats from all of toronto.. dick

  • malmal Posted: Sep.26 at 2:49 pm
    Vince should be waaaaay higher than 25 he is 1 0f 3 players the last 3 years to average 20 5 5 the only other two players are lebron and kobe plus he has the MOST game winning shots among activbe players yes more than Anyone Orlando will be champs this year or least make it back to the finals bet on it

  • rog123 Posted: Sep.26 at 2:49 pm
    So does shaq. Ask kobe &wade

  • malmal Posted: Sep.26 at 2:50 pm
    Vince should be waaaaay higher than 25 he is 1 0f 3 players the last 3 years to average 20 5 5 the only other two players are lebron and kobe plus he has the MOST game winning shots among activbe players yes more than kobe and lebron Orlando will be champs this year or least make it back to the finals bet on it

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.26 at 3:10 pm
    Vincanity is returning this year people. Last year he put up 20/5 and 5 im preety sure he can put up 18/5/5 in Orlando if he is used properly. Watch out haters VC is an All-star, Eastern Champ and in the spotlight again this year.

  • pdxballer Posted: Sep.26 at 3:29 pm
    This rating just doesn’t feel right…

  • Jay Posted: Sep.26 at 3:39 pm
    I agree 110% about this write up, it pretty much sums up this random gang up of hate on Vince. I mean if VInce was in Kobe’s position (in his prime) he may just have done the same things… I would rate Vince a bit higher tho, he’s still an incredible player.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.26 at 3:59 pm
    cause its not last time you guys ranked carter he was 36 considering new talents, rising stars, and break out players an aging carter gets raised 11 spots makes no sense. Also since last time after one season of 20/5/5 and on a horrid .437%FG for being the clear cut GO TO GUY, the alpha male of a team, that has to be the worst go to guy number right?! so for the common conception that people on crap teams get great numbers 20/5/5 on .437%FG to prolly 15/4/3 EVEN in some odd world where carter gets 20 dwight gets 20 lewis gets 20 jameer gets 16 thats 96 points from 4 players with their bench theyre gonna avg like 120 points CARTER STILL wouldnt be top 25. LETS GET REAL

  • Michael Posted: Sep.26 at 4:27 pm
    hmmm…isnt that only 76 points?

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 4:31 pm
    Yes lol. I am glad Vince facked Tdot. Cause guess what, Toronto the city is arrogant pr1cks. All of em’. Fack tdot. Vince is the man!!

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 4:31 pm
    Toronto the city is filled with arrogant pr1cks***

  • Anony Mous Posted: Sep.26 at 5:06 pm
    @James: WTF are you talking about. I live about 4 hours away and have been there alot and your completely wrong. That’s all I have to say.

  • DP Posted: Sep.26 at 5:07 pm
    Do I agree that Vince will be a top 25 talent come this season. No I don’t. He is going to be the fourth fiddle on his team behind Lewis, howard, and nelson and i don’t see him averaging more than 17-18 points a game. He probably will have the ball in his hands at the end of games because the Magic don’t have any playmakers and Hedo is across the border. I want to see what vince is cabable of though because when he first switched to go to the nets, it was like a rebirth for him that first full year. play wit it.

  • Anony Mous Posted: Sep.26 at 5:10 pm
    @James: WTF are you talking about. I live near Toronto and visit all the time, and your completely wrong. If this is all you have to do with your day, join a daycare.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 5:23 pm
    Vince Carter definitely didn’t ‘fack’ Tdot. First of all, its TORONTO, not Tdot; only wanksters like you call it TDot. Worst nickname ever. Second of all, Carter took the Raptors the farthest in franchise history, Raptors being an expansion team. Thanks for shutting up.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.26 at 5:28 pm
    why i suck at its 76 but my point still there

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.26 at 5:34 pm
    wow lol why do i suck so much today…

  • Art Vandelay Posted: Sep.26 at 6:18 pm
    Adam, thank you for emphasizing what he DID instead of what many people think he DIDN’T do!

  • James the balla Posted: Sep.26 at 6:19 pm
    Teddy. I will call it Tdot. Because I am a “wankster”. That is a fake gangster correct? Just like I call Halifax Hali. Kobe Bryant, KB, And Lebron, Bron, Chris Paul, CP3… etc.

  • Brad Posted: Sep.26 at 7:01 pm
    This is a well-deserved ranking, and I can see it being about 8 or 9 spots higher next year. People who don’t watch/don’t know sleep/hate on Vince like its not funny. He is a complete player. He is as good as ANYONE in the league in crunchtime. He is STILL electrifying. Oh, he’s a true class act, a leader, an excellent teammate, and one of the most philanthropic players in the league. As Rod Thorn said after trading him “Now people are going to see how good Vince Carter really is.” How often do you hear a GM say that after trading his best player?? If you really hate Vince, like, you can’t stand him… get ready for a long and annoying NBA season.

  • Brad Posted: Sep.26 at 9:01 pm
    @ jdN41,
    First of all, Devin Harris led the Nets in scoring last year, so while Vince was the leader, he was not the “clear cut” “alpha male”. Second, since when is .437%fg such a terrible number for a sg who has as high a usage rate as Carter??? JJ is a top SG, is the top dog on his team, and will be ranked ahead of Vince. His fg% last year? .437. How about Kevin Martin? .417. KObe shot 45% last year. Not exaclty a huge difference between 45 and 43.7 if you ask me. Only Roy and Wade stand way out ahead with 48 and 49 % respectively. Third, could you explain why Vince’s assists would go DOWN after joining the sharp-shooting Magic, with Howard in the middle??

  • tealish Posted: Sep.26 at 9:35 pm
    I like this ranking. This article did him justice, which is something he hasn’t received from most people in a long time.

  • a_whiteman Posted: Sep.26 at 9:35 pm
    I have always had respect for the mans game, but I refuse to respect him as a man. Why should I? He openly admitted to dogging it on us the last year and a half tdot had him

  • COLT6 Posted: Sep.26 at 9:49 pm
    Wowski: You bet Van Gundy won’t get Orlando past Boston this year with a healthy KG, they can’t beat the Cavs with Shaq. Those games will be played down the wire guaranteed and Van Gundy will choke for sure, ask Skip, DFish and the Lakers. Eff Van Gundy.

  • The underrated one Posted: Sep.26 at 9:50 pm
    chris bosh is top ten rite? rite?? oh who are we kiddin top 15

  • Brad Posted: Sep.26 at 10:09 pm
    Not to go on and on, but, whiteman, he NEVER openly admitted to dogging it in his last 20 games as a Rap.
    It just didn’t happen. His answer in the TNT interview with John Thopmson, he was commenting that he could have trained harder in the offseason.
    From the New York Times:
    “John Thompson, the current TNT analyst and the former Georgetown basketball coach who conducted the interview, said he felt people misinterpreted Carter’s words. ”That boy never said to me, ‘Coach, I just laid down and quit,’ ” Thompson said in a telephone interview last week. ”I was embarrassed and felt awful about it for his sake, because I knew what he was communicating to me. I think he was more expressing a desire of wanting to do better, as we all do.”
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D6153FF930A15757C0A9609C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all Now, T-Mac on the other hand, came straight out and said to Sports Illustrated, “Some nights I did slack off — and I knew that was a terrible thing to do — and I still was slacking off,” and “I’m not going to sit here and say I played my hardest every night.”

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.26 at 10:11 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPuzwuddguU vids crazy okay having the most points doesnt mean your the alpha male of a team its kinda obvious that it was vince’s team he was the leader and the alpha male on that squad that being said .437% is bad oj mayo who was roasted for his poor shooting and shot selection the whole season shoot better than carter and kevin martin they did a whole article about him so im not going to get into his poor FG% and there are way more sg who have high usage and shoot the ball better than carter to name a few on the top of my head Ben Gordon, Hamilton, Ray Allen, IGGY, J RICH, OJ Mayo, Jason Terry. As for his assist doing down simpley said he is not going to have the ball in his hands as much as he did in new jersey in jersey every play was through vince he was the Alpha Male as stated before and now he goes to being 4th option which means lower touches, lower oppurtunities, lower points, lower assists lower ranking

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.26 at 10:37 pm
    Nope, I think you’re just a wankster James.

  • Shem Posted: Sep.26 at 11:34 pm
    Teddy the bear: shut up man everyone from toronto calls it tdot not cuz were wanksters cuz its shorter not that much shorter but then again why do we call shaq the big cactus when the big cactus is longer and why dont we just say chris paul instead of cp3, you needa stop hating

  • Brad Posted: Sep.26 at 11:58 pm
    *If this is posted twice, apologies*
    Not to go on and on, but, whiteman, he NEVER openly admitted to dogging it in his last 20 games as a Rap.
    It just didn’t happen. His answer in the TNT interview with John Thopmson, he was commenting that he could have trained harder in the offseason.
    From the New York Times:
    “John Thompson, the current TNT analyst and the former Georgetown basketball coach who conducted the interview, said he felt people misinterpreted Carter’s words. ”That boy never said to me, ‘Coach, I just laid down and quit,’ ” Thompson said in a telephone interview last week. ”I was embarrassed and felt awful about it for his sake, because I knew what he was communicating to me. I think he was more expressing a desire of wanting to do better, as we all do.”
    Now, T-Mac on the other hand, came straight out and said to Sports Illustrated, “Some nights I did slack off — and I knew that was a terrible thing to do — and I still was slacking off,” and “I’m not going to sit here and say I played my hardest every night.”

  • Utah Jazz Blog Posted: Sep.27 at 12:06 am
    I would much rather have Iguodola, Butler, or Ginobli than Vince Carter.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 1:13 am
    Shem, not everybody in Toronto calls it Tdot. Its a horrible nickname for a city. Come on now, I love Toronto! But T dot O dot, shortened to T dot? Needs a new nickname. Might as well just call it TO.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Sep.27 at 1:14 am
    Vince Carter is very good.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 1:14 am
    I’m definitely not h@ting either, I’m from Toronto and New York, so Toronto is my favorite city in Canada. And I’m a huge Raptors fan.

  • Pardeep Posted: Sep.27 at 1:18 am
    Slam might just put Dwyane Wade first to get some hits and comments.

  • nomde Posted: Sep.27 at 2:13 am
    im a huge VC fan ever since…well this year would be the barometer…magic has all the tools to win and all VC needs 2 add is his heart and compasion…wish he could have been higher…thanks adam 4 a great article, makes us believers again

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.27 at 4:36 am
    Kobe should be like no. 3 or 4 or 5. Sure as sh*t not 1st or 2nd though - not considering the judging criteria.

  • ab_40 Posted: Sep.27 at 7:20 am
    hmm last years write up was better

  • Niya-girl-fresh Posted: Sep.27 at 11:14 am
    Kobe somehow finds himself up under every athletes name. And it’s usually with him getting the negative end of everyone’s perspective *smh*

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.27 at 12:31 pm
    Sleep on Vince if ya’ll want to. Orlando is going to be stupid good this year.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.27 at 12:57 pm
    I know many of Canadians up here in Rochester (Canada’s an hour away, Toronto three hours, I’ve been there MANY times) and NONE of them call it T-Dot, NONE of them. It’s for like, 14-year-olds who think they are cool. Not joking.

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.27 at 1:47 pm
    whys my post taking so long to get moderated :(

  • Orlando Green Posted: Sep.27 at 3:17 pm
    Kobe Bryant
    Lebron James
    Dwayne Wade
    Dwight Howard
    Kevin Garnett
    Carmelo Anthony
    Deron Williams
    Chris Bosh
    Tim Duncan
    Paul Pierce
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Chris Paul
    Brandon Roy
    Kevin Durant
    Derrick Rose
    Chauncey Billups
    Amare Stoudemire
    Danny Granger
    Steve Nash
    Al Jefferson
    Tony Parker
    Pau Gasol
    Joe Johnson
    Devin Harris

  • black pinoy Posted: Sep.27 at 3:41 pm
    dude that was one sick write up.. ill read it again just because i love the story so much..great way to justify why carters career went this way // he’s always been a great player… the constant injuries made us forget how good he really is.. and he’s move to the nets didnt really work .. if only he moved to the nets when they got to the finals// i doubt that theyd still get past the lakers in the finals but vince would have been recognized a bit more.. alot of good players like abdur-rahim didnt really get enough love because their team never won alot to matter or be a threat in the league…so again great write up..great piece for vince..

  • Brad Posted: Sep.27 at 4:12 pm
    JDn41,
    Where in the world do you get the idea he is going to be the 4th option in Orlando??? These quotes from the other day don’t exactly suggest that:
    SVG: “I don’t want him stepping on the court thinking about fitting in. He can fit in, in the locker room. We didn’t bring him here to be a guy who is just moving the ball. We want him attacking. I want the guy who has been so good all these years. I want all his greatness.”
    VC: “Yes, he (Van Gundy) has told me, he wants the guy who beat him in the past, the guy who scored 42 on him.”

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.27 at 4:20 pm
    mike d’antoni also said gallinari is the best shooter he has ever seen…

  • Brad Posted: Sep.27 at 4:33 pm
    Right, so there you have the guy’s coach going out of his way to say that he is going to be featured on offense, that he is going te expected to play and score like he always has, but some anonymous commenter on the internet knows better???

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 4:55 pm
    There we go Jukai. Myth busted!

  • Hightz Posted: Sep.27 at 5:29 pm
    Im from Toronto and i still got love for VC, he put us on the map…third time is the charm and hes back home sooo i think he`ll have a great season in florida…good luck Vince
    ohh and everyone in T-dot stop booing him it makes us look stupid….lets move on

  • mike Posted: Sep.27 at 6:44 pm
    most talented player of all time

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 7:12 pm
    888

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.27 at 8:37 pm
    coaches have to be diplomatic when they’re discussing players role obviously a guy of carters ego SVG isnt going to say alright you were a superstar everywhere you went but here youre going to be 4th option coaches have to say all the right things cause they’re the scapegoat when sh!t hits the fan (get messy) name one incident where a player came on the team and the coach was like alright this guys going on the bench or this guys doesn’t have alot of upside or any negativity or realism for that matter

  • jdn41 Posted: Sep.27 at 8:47 pm
    and lol at the tdot discussions im from downtown toronto and its used alot from locals(age doesn’t matter)also my prof at ryerson says tdot all the time :S guess hes trying to be hip i dont know. But if people outside toronto think we dont say tdot i wonder if you guys think people from atlanta say A Town or miami as MIA and so forth just interesting thats all

  • Z Posted: Sep.27 at 8:58 pm
    juks: amen. / i can’t forgive vince for the way he dogged his last year with the raps. when ivey was seeking a way out of philly, he was still playing his heart out. when kobe was looking at the chi, he was bringing it every night. i could go on and on. vince IS weak mentally and he pouts when things don’t go his way. / btw, the countdown has already begun for diwght howard calling out svg to get the ball in the clutch. he did it in the playoffs last year but nobody paid it any mind because they kept on winning. deep down inside, dwight feels that he earned the right to get it in crunch time because he is their biggest star even though he’s an awful ”bucket-getter” in 1vs1 situation.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 10:20 pm
    Z, who do you like better Yao or Dwight?

  • Z Posted: Sep.27 at 11:07 pm
    If healthy, it’s a no brainer. Yao gave us 25 and 11 with excellent shooting percentages a couple of years ago. Dwight is mainly a rebounder and shot blocker. He doesn’t look like he can give much more than 20 ppg and you can’t go to him at the end of the games. However, if I were a GM I’d pick Dwight without a doubt because Yao is always injured and we have no idea when he’ll come back and how effective he’s going to be if/when he does.

  • Z Posted: Sep.27 at 11:08 pm
    About 2 or 3 times a game, Dwight does something that makes you wonder if he started playing basketball last week or last month.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 11:42 pm
    LOL I can dig that, Z. I agree, a healthy Yao is better than Dwight. The only problem is Yao’s frequent leg/feet problems. I think he’ll be back to full form the season after this though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.27 at 11:43 pm
    Granted, Yao, Dwight, and Shaq are the last real centers left in the NBA. Maybe Big Z too.

  • Jess Posted: Sep.27 at 11:48 pm
    taken away injury by injury? more like questionable injury by questional injury….just saying….

  • TheR3dMenace Posted: Sep.28 at 1:16 am
    Vince Carter? Child Please.

  • J Posted: Sep.28 at 1:35 am
    how the F is big Z one of the last real centers? you sound like u have some kind of disability

  • Anton Posted: Sep.28 at 2:21 am
    Z is so wrong - Dwight is very diverse. He can dunk it AND dunk it WHILE smiling!

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.28 at 3:56 am
    Uh, I do not believe Yao will ever play a full season ever again. Sorry to be a downer…

  • chintao Posted: Sep.28 at 6:14 am
    If Vince has anything left, he’ll be MVP of The Finals.

  • Darksaber Posted: Sep.28 at 7:31 am
    Hahaha, Anton kills me!

  • Dutch Rich Posted: Sep.28 at 1:28 pm
    50 years from now, cats will still be having wet dreams off of what half man half amazing brought to the game of basketball. The shoot out in the play-offs against Philly became instant classic. That series proved how well he was always able to shoot from long range. That it isn’t some by-product related to injuries and diminished athletic abilities. The dude is simply amazing. If you cut his left arm of he will still find a way to get 20/5/5. I hope he does really well in Orlando, unfortunately that will only spur more hate from most of the T.DOT O.DOT wanksters who need to go pacify themselves.(judge ur own exclusion)
    Big-ups to The Cuse, B-Lo, all of the NY, mad love to Brick City and props to BK.

  • ENDS Posted: Sep.28 at 2:52 pm
    Anton. 2 points is two points

  • ENDS Posted: Sep.28 at 2:55 pm
    Yo Z, It must suck that a team with such a whack center beat to squad when it counted, like all season long.

  • onlyclipfanonslam Posted: Sep.28 at 3:39 pm
    If the Magic make it to the finals agin he deserves top 20. If they actually win it top 15.

  • Mike Klander Posted: Sep.28 at 3:54 pm
    Vince is not a slacker?? Okay does anybody from Canada remember the interview he had here where he specifically said he did not want to be known as “just a dunker” and therefore was not going to dunk anymore??? I’m paraphrasing but you get what I’m saying. It’s true, he said that. The man was the most athletic man in the game back then. Saying you’re not going to dunk anymore is cutting yourself at the knee caps. Why??? If you want to expand yourself that wasn’t the way to go about it. That’s why Vince is known as a slacker ESPECIALLY in Canada.
    Can’t take away from the guy’s talents. He’s definitely pound for pound one of the best players in our generation, but he admittedly slacked off…

  • thecc Posted: Oct.3 at 4:42 am
    “Also since last time after one season of 20/5/5 and on a horrid .437%FG for being the clear cut GO TO GUY, the alpha male of a team, that has to be the worst go to guy number right?!” You’re a friggin idiot. First of all, 43.7% is NOT “horrid”. It’s equal to Ben Gordon’s career percentage, and he’s considered one of the best players in the league. It’s better than Iverson’s career percentage. More importantly though, straight FG% is useless, though it doesn’t surprise me that a feeble-minded fool like yourself would use it. If you want to look at scoring efficiency (as opposed to shooting efficiency, which is a useless measurement), look at either adjusted field goal percentage (eFG%), which takes the additional value of threes into account, or true shooting percentage. Last season Vince was very good in both categories - 49.2% eFG%, and 54.5% TS%. Both those numbers are above his career averages, and both those numbers are very good.

  • Allan From Toronto Posted: Oct.11 at 9:46 am
    This article was very well written. I enjoyed reading some of these. Good Job Adam. Don’t worry vince, Bosh, Turkoglu and the raptors will likely kill your run in the playoffs.

  • thecc Posted: Nov.1 at 2:17 am
    Bosh, Turkoglu, and the Raptors won’t even make the playoffs, most likely. If they do manage to squeak in, they’ll loser in the first round. You care to bet $10,000 that if the Raptors meet the Magic in the playoffs the Magic will win? No? Then shut up, if you can’t put your money where your mouth is.

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