Saturday, September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  120 responses

Top 50: Vince Carter, no. 25

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Fleischer

Vince Carter plays with no heart.

Seriously, it’s true. You thinkVince Carter so, don’t you?

You hear it a lot. You might believe it, and you’ve probably said it. In the very least, the thought has crossed your mind during the man’s twelve NBA seasons. And who can blame you. We’ve been fed such a theory so often that it’s become widely accepted.

But it’s not true. Really, it’s not.

What’s true is that we just wanted a reason to justify why Vince let us down. Because that’s what he did. Let us down. Fall short of our hopes. Fail to meet the goals we set for him. Whatever you wanna call it.

He came out of North Carolina with boatloads of potential, poised to be one of the game’s next megastars. So we opened out hearts to him. His hops took him beyond the Milky Waywhere our expectations similarly soaredand his smile won over channel surfers across the country otherwise disenchanted with the sport. And the Jordan comparisonsin the wake of MJ’s retirement and at the height of the search for an Air Apparentonly served to further illuminate his growing star.

At first, we were anything but disappointed. Nah, matter of fact, VC gave us what we asked for and then some. Rookie of the Year in the shortened lockout season. All-Star, Third Team All-NBA and the architect of the greatest Slam Dunk Contest performance of my lifetime (and probably ever) the next year. Plus, he took Toronto to their first playoff appearance in franchise history. Year three, more of the same. Forty-seven wins for the Raps. Top five in the L in scoring for Vince. It was his time.

Simultaneously as we were taking him for granted, he was being taken away from us in his mid-twenties like he was a rap legend or some shit. But Vince didn’t get capped (although when he put one on for graduation he heard the hate ring out. Hey, let’s criticize one of the few guys in the League that values education and actually finishes his degree! That’s a great message for kids! Basketball over books!). Instead of some quick bullets, though, he was taken away slowly, injury by injury, loss by loss, season by season.

The final days in Toronto weren’t pretty and there’s no two ways about that. But Vince made the Raptors relevant. You didn’t watch them on national TV before, and haven’t since. Those few years of playoff runs were Vince at his most awe inducing and us at our most willing to consume his game, his style, his persona.

His final year(s) above the border truly turned many people off. But New Jersey was supposed to be a new beginning, another shot at doing what we knew he could. In some ways, it was. Teaming with Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson, he helped lead them to a playoff birth his first year in New Jersey and an Atlantic Division title during his first full year in 2005-06.

The years that followed were more of the same: the Nets as an above average team, but never one surfacing as a true threat for a title. Maybe it was because Vince wasn’t able to bring them to that elite status, even when he had legitimate talent around him. It’s also possible that the talent was never elite enough to claim that status. It’s most likely some combination of the two.

Yet, his play has been a constant during that time. Not looking anything like we had once hoped it would, but still, in many ways, performing like we had always imagined. He usually scores in the mid-twenties. He rebounds and dishes out assists at a better rate than he did in T Dot. He logs serious minutes and hits it respectably from the stripe and the field.

The hate, animosity, and relative irrelevancy of the Nets have each helped to often mask this. No longer.

As he prepares to suit up for the Eastern Conference Champs and an actual contender in Orlando, there’s a chance for another life. A third one, a second one, a fifth one. I don’t know. But there’s another shot for us to accept him and for him to give us the right to.

Stan Van Gundy has already admitted that the ball will be in Vince’s hands down the stretch, and that’s something to look forward to. The question isn’t whether or not he’s still got it. Cause he does. It’s not even to what level he’s still got it. The question is how often he’ll show us. What will happen when he’s faced with his first meaningful playoff game in nearly a decade?

I’ll bet that heart’s still got some pitter-patter left in it.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • pdxballer

    This rating just doesn’t feel right…

  • Jay

    I agree 110% about this write up, it pretty much sums up this random gang up of hate on Vince.

    I mean if VInce was in Kobe’s position (in his prime) he may just have done the same things…

    I would rate Vince a bit higher tho, he’s still an incredible player.

  • jdn41

    cause its not last time you guys ranked carter he was 36 considering new talents, rising stars, and break out players an aging carter gets raised 11 spots makes no sense. Also since last time after one season of 20/5/5 and on a horrid .437%FG for being the clear cut GO TO GUY, the alpha male of a team, that has to be the worst go to guy number right?! so for the common conception that people on crap teams get great numbers 20/5/5 on .437%FG to prolly 15/4/3 EVEN in some odd world where carter gets 20 dwight gets 20 lewis gets 20 jameer gets 16 thats 96 points from 4 players with their bench theyre gonna avg like 120 points CARTER STILL wouldnt be top 25. LETS GET REAL

  • Michael

    hmmm…isnt that only 76 points?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yes lol. I am glad Vince facked Tdot. Cause guess what, Toronto the city is arrogant pr1cks. All of em’. Fack tdot. Vince is the man!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Toronto the city is filled with arrogant pr1cks***

  • Anony Mous

    @James: WTF are you talking about. I live about 4 hours away and have been there alot and your completely wrong. That’s all I have to say.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Do I agree that Vince will be a top 25 talent come this season. No I don’t. He is going to be the fourth fiddle on his team behind Lewis, howard, and nelson and i don’t see him averaging more than 17-18 points a game. He probably will have the ball in his hands at the end of games because the Magic don’t have any playmakers and Hedo is across the border. I want to see what vince is cabable of though because when he first switched to go to the nets, it was like a rebirth for him that first full year. play wit it.

  • Anony Mous

    @James: WTF are you talking about. I live near Toronto and visit all the time, and your completely wrong. If this is all you have to do with your day, join a daycare.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Vince Carter definitely didn’t ‘fack’ Tdot. First of all, its TORONTO, not Tdot; only wanksters like you call it TDot. Worst nickname ever. Second of all, Carter took the Raptors the farthest in franchise history, Raptors being an expansion team. Thanks for shutting up.

  • jdn41

    why i suck at its 76 but my point still there

  • jdn41

    wow lol why do i suck so much today…

  • http://vandelayindustries.com Art Vandelay

    Adam, thank you for emphasizing what he DID instead of what many people think he DIDN’T do!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Teddy. I will call it Tdot. Because I am a “wankster”. That is a fake gangster correct? Just like I call Halifax Hali. Kobe Bryant, KB, And Lebron, Bron, Chris Paul, CP3… etc.

  • Brad

    This is a well-deserved ranking, and I can see it being about 8 or 9 spots higher next year. People who don’t watch/don’t know sleep/hate on Vince like its not funny. He is a complete player. He is as good as ANYONE in the league in crunchtime. He is STILL electrifying. Oh, he’s a true class act, a leader, an excellent teammate, and one of the most philanthropic players in the league. As Rod Thorn said after trading him “Now people are going to see how good Vince Carter really is.” How often do you hear a GM say that after trading his best player?? If you really hate Vince, like, you can’t stand him… get ready for a long and annoying NBA season.

  • Brad

    @ jdN41,
    First of all, Devin Harris led the Nets in scoring last year, so while Vince was the leader, he was not the “clear cut” “alpha male”. Second, since when is .437%fg such a terrible number for a sg who has as high a usage rate as Carter??? JJ is a top SG, is the top dog on his team, and will be ranked ahead of Vince. His fg% last year? .437. How about Kevin Martin? .417. KObe shot 45% last year. Not exaclty a huge difference between 45 and 43.7 if you ask me. Only Roy and Wade stand way out ahead with 48 and 49 % respectively. Third, could you explain why Vince’s assists would go DOWN after joining the sharp-shooting Magic, with Howard in the middle??

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I like this ranking. This article did him justice, which is something he hasn’t received from most people in a long time.

  • a_whiteman

    I have always had respect for the mans game, but I refuse to respect him as a man. Why should I? He openly admitted to dogging it on us the last year and a half tdot had him

  • COLT6

    Wowski: You bet Van Gundy won’t get Orlando past Boston this year with a healthy KG, they can’t beat the Cavs with Shaq. Those games will be played down the wire guaranteed and Van Gundy will choke for sure, ask Skip, DFish and the Lakers. Eff Van Gundy.

  • http://slamonline.com The underrated one

    chris bosh is top ten rite? rite?? oh who are we kiddin top 15

  • Brad

    Not to go on and on, but, whiteman, he NEVER openly admitted to dogging it in his last 20 games as a Rap.
    It just didn’t happen. His answer in the TNT interview with John Thopmson, he was commenting that he could have trained harder in the offseason.
    From the New York Times:
    “John Thompson, the current TNT analyst and the former Georgetown basketball coach who conducted the interview, said he felt people misinterpreted Carter’s words.

    ”That boy never said to me, ‘Coach, I just laid down and quit,’ ” Thompson said in a telephone interview last week.

    ”I was embarrassed and felt awful about it for his sake, because I knew what he was communicating to me. I think he was more expressing a desire of wanting to do better, as we all do.”
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D6153FF930A15757C0A9609C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

    Now, T-Mac on the other hand, came straight out and said to Sports Illustrated, “Some nights I did slack off — and I knew that was a terrible thing to do — and I still was slacking off,” and “I’m not going to sit here and say I played my hardest every night.”

  • jdn41

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPuzwuddguU vids crazy

    okay having the most points doesnt mean your the alpha male of a team its kinda obvious that it was vince’s team he was the leader and the alpha male on that squad that being said .437% is bad oj mayo who was roasted for his poor shooting and shot selection the whole season shoot better than carter and kevin martin they did a whole article about him so im not going to get into his poor FG% and there are way more sg who have high usage and shoot the ball better than carter to name a few on the top of my head Ben Gordon, Hamilton, Ray Allen, IGGY, J RICH, OJ Mayo, Jason Terry. As for his assist doing down simpley said he is not going to have the ball in his hands as much as he did in new jersey in jersey every play was through vince he was the Alpha Male as stated before and now he goes to being 4th option which means lower touches, lower oppurtunities, lower points, lower assists lower ranking

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Nope, I think you’re just a wankster James.

  • Shem

    Teddy the bear: shut up man everyone from toronto calls it tdot not cuz were wanksters cuz its shorter not that much shorter but then again why do we call shaq the big cactus when the big cactus is longer and why dont we just say chris paul instead of cp3, you needa stop hating

  • Brad

    *If this is posted twice, apologies*
    Not to go on and on, but, whiteman, he NEVER openly admitted to dogging it in his last 20 games as a Rap.
    It just didn’t happen. His answer in the TNT interview with John Thopmson, he was commenting that he could have trained harder in the offseason.
    From the New York Times:
    “John Thompson, the current TNT analyst and the former Georgetown basketball coach who conducted the interview, said he felt people misinterpreted Carter’s words. ”That boy never said to me, ‘Coach, I just laid down and quit,’ ” Thompson said in a telephone interview last week. ”I was embarrassed and felt awful about it for his sake, because I knew what he was communicating to me. I think he was more expressing a desire of wanting to do better, as we all do.”
    Now, T-Mac on the other hand, came straight out and said to Sports Illustrated, “Some nights I did slack off — and I knew that was a terrible thing to do — and I still was slacking off,” and “I’m not going to sit here and say I played my hardest every night.”

  • http://www.utjazzblog.com Utah Jazz Blog

    I would much rather have Iguodola, Butler, or Ginobli than Vince Carter.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Shem, not everybody in Toronto calls it Tdot. Its a horrible nickname for a city. Come on now, I love Toronto! But T dot O dot, shortened to T dot? Needs a new nickname. Might as well just call it TO.

  • http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    Vince Carter is very good.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m definitely not h@ting either, I’m from Toronto and New York, so Toronto is my favorite city in Canada. And I’m a huge Raptors fan.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    Slam might just put Dwyane Wade first to get some hits and comments.

  • nomde

    im a huge VC fan ever since…well this year would be the barometer…magic has all the tools to win and all VC needs 2 add is his heart and compasion…wish he could have been higher…thanks adam 4 a great article, makes us believers again

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Kobe should be like no. 3 or 4 or 5. Sure as sh*t not 1st or 2nd though – not considering the judging criteria.

  • ab_40

    hmm last years write up was better

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    Kobe somehow finds himself up under every athletes name. And it’s usually with him getting the negative end of everyone’s perspective *smh*

  • TADOne

    Sleep on Vince if ya’ll want to. Orlando is going to be stupid good this year.

  • http://fjdklf.com Jukai

    I know many of Canadians up here in Rochester (Canada’s an hour away, Toronto three hours, I’ve been there MANY times) and NONE of them call it T-Dot, NONE of them. It’s for like, 14-year-olds who think they are cool. Not joking.

  • jdn41

    whys my post taking so long to get moderated :(

  • Orlando Green

    Kobe Bryant
    Lebron James
    Dwayne Wade
    Dwight Howard
    Kevin Garnett
    Carmelo Anthony
    Deron Williams
    Chris Bosh
    Tim Duncan
    Paul Pierce
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Chris Paul
    Brandon Roy
    Kevin Durant
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    Amare Stoudemire
    Danny Granger
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  • black pinoy

    dude that was one sick write up.. ill read it again just because i love the story so much..great way to justify why carters career went this way // he’s always been a great player… the constant injuries made us forget how good he really is.. and he’s move to the nets didnt really work .. if only he moved to the nets when they got to the finals// i doubt that theyd still get past the lakers in the finals but vince would have been recognized a bit more.. alot of good players like abdur-rahim didnt really get enough love because their team never won alot to matter or be a threat in the league…so again great write up..great piece for vince..

  • Brad

    JDn41,
    Where in the world do you get the idea he is going to be the 4th option in Orlando??? These quotes from the other day don’t exactly suggest that:
    SVG: “I don’t want him stepping on the court thinking about fitting in. He can fit in, in the locker room. We didn’t bring him here to be a guy who is just moving the ball. We want him attacking. I want the guy who has been so good all these years. I want all his greatness.”
    VC: “Yes, he (Van Gundy) has told me, he wants the guy who beat him in the past, the guy who scored 42 on him.”

  • jdn41

    mike d’antoni also said gallinari is the best shooter he has ever seen…

  • Brad

    Right, so there you have the guy’s coach going out of his way to say that he is going to be featured on offense, that he is going te expected to play and score like he always has, but some anonymous commenter on the internet knows better???

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    There we go Jukai. Myth busted!

  • Hightz

    Im from Toronto and i still got love for VC, he put us on the map…third time is the charm and hes back home sooo i think he`ll have a great season in florida…good luck Vince
    ohh and everyone in T-dot stop booing him it makes us look stupid….lets move on

  • http://none mike

    most talented player of all time

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    888

  • jdn41

    coaches have to be diplomatic when they’re discussing players role obviously a guy of carters ego SVG isnt going to say alright you were a superstar everywhere you went but here youre going to be 4th option coaches have to say all the right things cause they’re the scapegoat when sh!t hits the fan (get messy) name one incident where a player came on the team and the coach was like alright this guys going on the bench or this guys doesn’t have alot of upside or any negativity or realism for that matter

  • jdn41

    and lol at the tdot discussions im from downtown toronto and its used alot from locals(age doesn’t matter)also my prof at ryerson says tdot all the time :S guess hes trying to be hip i dont know. But if people outside toronto think we dont say tdot i wonder if you guys think people from atlanta say A Town or miami as MIA and so forth just interesting thats all

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    juks: amen. / i can’t forgive vince for the way he dogged his last year with the raps. when ivey was seeking a way out of philly, he was still playing his heart out. when kobe was looking at the chi, he was bringing it every night. i could go on and on. vince IS weak mentally and he pouts when things don’t go his way. / btw, the countdown has already begun for diwght howard calling out svg to get the ball in the clutch. he did it in the playoffs last year but nobody paid it any mind because they kept on winning. deep down inside, dwight feels that he earned the right to get it in crunch time because he is their biggest star even though he’s an awful ”bucket-getter” in 1vs1 situation.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Z, who do you like better Yao or Dwight?

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