Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  240 responses

Top 50: Derrick Rose, no. 18

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Franklyn Calle

The time has come! The guy you all love to hate has finally appeared on the rankings. If you’ve been following our Top 50 list as of late, then you already know that DRose has been meDerrick Rosentioned in the comments section more than the featured player. And for the most part, the comments haven’t been too positive.

Many of you feel Rose is too high. Maybe he is, maybe not.

There is no point for me to sit here and try to convince those who aren’t happy with where is ranked or even those who don’t like his game. An article will not all of the sudden change your perspective on him. Instead I will evaluate his rookie season, what can be expected from him next season, and what could have led to him landing at No. 18.

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We all witnessed history on April 18, when DRose had a historic playoff performance against the defending champions – the Boston Celtics – finishing with 36 points, 11 assists and 4 rebounds, while shooting 63 percent from the floor. His 36 points tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for most points ever scored by a rookie in his playoff debut. I should note that Abdul-Jabbar was 22 years old at the time and Rose was only 20. And…. 10 inches of height makes a difference. Rose also became only the second player in NBA history to finish with more than 35 points and 10 assists in his playoff debut (regardless of years in the League).

So let’s see, how did the Chicago native’s first year numbers rank with those of Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker and Devin Harris? If we were to compare Rose’s rookie season to those of the League’s premiere point guards, it is evident that he is on his way to be a very special one.

Compared to the point guards who were just mentioned, Rose’s regular season rookie stats showed he may very well be the real deal. Only Iverson averaged more points than Rose as a rookie. What about field goals? His 47.5 percent from the floor was higher than any of the aforementioned guards. Only Paul, Iverson and Kidd averaged more assists then Rose as a rookie, and that difference was by less than 1.5 assists.

Rose is the only one who led his team to the Playoffs as a rookie. I emphasize ‘LED‘ because although Nash, Parker and Harris made the Playoffs as rookies, all three teams had other guys they depended on to lead the way. We all can agree that Rose was a huge factor in the Bulls making the Playoffs after Chicago’s absence the previous year. He shot 80 percent from the free throw line in the Playoffs, better than any of the other guards when they played in the Playoffs for the first time – and keep in mind most of them dudes didn’t even make the Playoffs until their third year in the League.

With Ben Gordon leaving to the Pistons, you can expect for Rose’s stats to increase by a good amount. A 22-point, 8-assist, and 6-rebound season is very well possible.

Now I’ve noticed some people argued that Rose only shot 22 percent from behind the arc. Well, he proved in his playoff debut that he can easily drop 36 points without ever having to hit a single three-pointer. It won’t be too long before the same applies for 40-point performances. And let’s be real, his three-point percentage will improve with experience and years.

Another argument against Rose seems to be his defense. My question is how many 20-year-olds do you guys remember coming into the League and straight up locking down guys? Name the point guards! You won’t find many… if any! In fact you have grown-ass men in their 30s in the League who still don’t seem to have learned the fundamentals of defense.

So if we’re going by statistics, then it’s fair to say Rose is well ahead enough to being one of the NBA’s premier guards. If we are going by talent and court presence, even better. I don’t know how many point guards in the League are as athletic, agile and explosive as he is. Again, if any.

Now how did he end up at the 18 slot? Well as you may see at the bottom of the page, “rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performances.” This hints that it has nothing to do with what a player has done in his career, and more so with what it is expected of him this season. It is obvious by where he is ranked that expectations are higher for Rose than, say, Billups and all the other guards who have already appeared in the Top 50 list.

Coincidentally enough, Rose celebrated his 21st birthday yesterday.

Say what you like, but if last year was any indication, Rose is on his way to either being your favorite point guard, or your favorite point guard to hate. But either way, he’ll have you talking for years to come.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ TADOne – that’s exactly why Rose will be an all-star this year! Don’t think he’d get it in the West though…

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    For this coming season I’m picking chauncey but drose is hot on his heels.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Hold up, Allen your last post confused me. Miss 2 free throws to win? Huh?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    TADOne:
    Co-sign.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Klav
    My bad, he missed one free throw against Kansas.

  • Afonso

    i like DRose.hes top 10 Pg and can be top3 in 5 years…

    FREAKKNICK…youre exactly right!!!thats how I see it: a 1 YEAR LEAGUE SEASON, like who would I pick to play in my team for one year…AND ROSE IS LIKE 36th..behind all those I´ve mentioned…I´ve got nothing against the Bulls or Rose but even OJ Mayo was as good last year…

    Enigmatic..I dont hate noone and obviously I was joking on the Bulls being last but they would not discuss the 8th spot in the west thats for sure…30 wins maybe…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Allen, thanks, I thought I missed something. That game I was in class, so if anything I was gonna look it up on youtube. Haha.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    Thank You Allenp.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Alfonso, OJ is good, but Memphis didn’t even sniff the playoffs last year. Derrick Rose went 7 games w/the defending champs. Your argument is based off personal preference.

  • tavoris

    Tariq, Rose almost made it in as a reserve last season. That’s how big an impact he had on the league. I wouldn’t b surprised AT ALL if he gets voted a starter this year.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    tavoris:
    My point is that Rose is not the 18th-best player in the league right now, nor do I project him to be the 18th-best player in the league this season. The 18th-best player is someone like a Chauncey or a Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson is, barring injury, a LOCK for the all-star team. Derrick Rose has a good shot of making it, but he’s not a lock. It’s just one way of saying he should be a bit lower, like 22-24. That’s where you get the types of players who, like Rose, are knocking on the fringes of the all-star team and may consider “snubs” if they don’t make it. That’s why I brought up the all-star team.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Alfonso… Oh yeah, Derrick Rose is a top 5 PG in the league right now, easily. Because his shot isn’t the greatest, he doesn’t deserve to be ranked highly? Like Ed Lover would say, c’mon son! No man crushes allowed in here.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    * may be considered

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    He deserves this spot, sorry this is a perfect spot for him. He took his team to the playoffs as a rookie, and had a 30 point game in his first playoff game ever, dude had a coming out party for real.

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    This is hilarious that Derrick Rose from Chicago that is just a second year player is nuimber 18 and is better than danny granger,KD,Joe Johnson and Shaq along with many others.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Bryan Crawford:
    I think Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash would like a word with you.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Jacob J:
    Shaq? Really?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    All: The SLAM Top 50 ranking is based on a players “projected” performance ON THE COURT this season, not the best players in the L 1-50. That being said, of course Derrick Rose is going to rank higher (obviously not by much) than Chauncey Billups, OJ Mayo and whoever else’s name has been thrown out because of the simple fact that D Rose is all the Bulls have. He’s a PG so the ball will be in his hands at all times and the offense is going to run through him. Barring injury, he can’t help but have a big contribution for Chicago this season. As Ryne said, it’s an ambitious ranking, but it’s not ridiculous or far fetched as some have tried to make it seem.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Tariq
    I don’t think Steve Nash and Derrick Rose should be in the same sentence, ever. Last time it generated 200 comments. SMH. And I like them both, but I would rather have DRose, somebody who is more committed to playing defense – thereby justifying a good but not great offensive showing. So yeah I agree that Rose is top 5 already.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Bryan:
    You just said he’s a Top-5 PG. Easily.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tariq, I counted CP3, D-Will & Billups ahead of Rose. As far as Nash and Tony Parker, neither of them could do what Rose did given the same squad.

  • Ashenafie

    Slam has lost its mind

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    And, by the way, this ranking is not “ridiculous.” Jacob J saying that Shaq should be ranked higher than Rose is ridiculous. Ranking Brandon Haywood at 42 would be ridiculous. I just think this is a BIT high. Sorry for not having the exact same opinion.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Bryan: If you think Rose is better than Parker NOW, then I don’t know what to tell you.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tariq: Actually I do, and there’s nothing you can tell me. TP has had the luxury of playing on a great team with one of the greatest players ever his whole career. Like I said, Tony Parker couldn’t do what Derrick Rose did as a rookie given the same squad.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I’m a tony parker hater so I might have to agree.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Klav:
    Nash is definitely a defensive liability, which is why I was so down on him during the infamous SLAM Top 50 of ALL-TIME debacle. That being said, a rookie who averaged 16 and 6 is not better than Steve fuc*ing Nash. Sorry.

    P.S.
    Rose is not exactly Gary Payton.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    In my opinion once tony parker loses his speed he’s done, his skills to ME are average but his speed and quickness make up for lack of fundamental skills.

  • http://www.oprah.com doyouwantmore

    I don’t know who the writer is, but they don’t know how to spell Allen Iverson’s name.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    That’s like saying once Lebron gets slow, he’s done.
    Or that once Derrick Rose loses his speed, he’s done.
    Or Iverson
    Or 90 percent of the cats who dominate on a nightly basis. Most cats in the League dominate becuase they are not only skilled, but have good to great athleticism.
    As a rookie, nah, Tony Parker couldn’t do what Derrick Rose did.
    Right now?
    I think Tony Parker could have done the exact same thing, and he MIGHT have beaten Boston with KG.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My bad, Boston WITHOUT KG.
    I like Parker’s chances with Derrick Rose’s teammates.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tariq: Steve Nash averaged 3.3pts & 2.3asts his rookie year. Last year he averaged 15.7pts & 9.7asts. Looks like D Rose is on his heels. So your point is?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Derrick Rose may well develop into a better player than Tony Parker. But that Tony Parker is RIGHT NOW a superior player is so self-evident, that I won’t even attempt to make the argument. If you want to believe that Rose is the better player, go ahead. I’ll just assume that you have some rooting interest (Bull fan/Memphis fan)and stop arguing with you.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allenp, no way Tony Parker does the same thing with the Bulls. In fact, take him off the Spurs and make him the focal point of a team and we won’t be talking about him at all anymore. Correction, yes we will. We’ll be talking about how overrated he is. Playing on the Spurs in that offense makes him look a lot better than what he is. And that’s not to say he sucks, because he doesn’t. But I’m just keeping it real.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Bryan Crawford: You’re not making any sense.

  • jdn41

    SHIIIIEEEETTTTT (clay davis) 18th best in the league, iverson came in with better numbers than this guy and will leave with better numbers than this guy and iverson is 50th… okay ben gordan will leave but did everyone forget about the return of leul dang dude was dropping 20 ppg before injuries and word has it that hes healthy this year, toss another 20 ppg forward in salmons, and theres no way he’s averaging 22,8,6 thats some bull, even if he does get that stat line which is unbelievable would you guys say thats better than al jefferson PROVEN 23 ppg 11rpg and 2bpg or how about danny granger 26 ppg 5 rpg 1 steal 1.5 blocks and devin harris dude was second banana and still got 21 ppg and 7 apg now he is the clear cut top dog and your telling me rose is better…rose is good but not this good don’t even get me started on that three pointer of his

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    “Steve Nash averaged 3.3pts & 2.3asts his rookie year. Last year he averaged 15.7pts & 9.7asts. Looks like D Rose is on his heels. So your point is?”

    What is this supposed to mean?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    FIBA.
    That’s my retort. Tony Parker KILLS everybody in FIBA. With Ronny Turiaf as his second best player.
    I think given the talent on the Bulls, given his court saavy, Parker beats Boston.
    You are underrating what Parker does. Yes, Duncan is a huge crutch, but I’ve seen Tony destroy enough cats with Duncan out or on the bench that I KNOW that he would have had a field day with the Bulls.
    He would averaged 22-23 easily, and given you about 7-8 assists.
    You are undervaluing Parker’s court sense for real. Dude knows the game, his jumper is wetter than Rose’s and he finishes just as well if not as spectacularly.
    Rose is the better player if you compare them as rookies, but not now. Not at all.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tariq: I’m a Chicagoan, a Bulls fan, & I come from the same neighborhood as D Rose. But I don’t base my argument off any of that. For the record, any Argument I make is strictly basketball based, not on being a fan boy or having a man crush on anybody. I don’t do that. I’m a writer, it’s against the code.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AllenP, FIBA? He’s supposed to kill in FIBA. You seem to be making the assumption that FIBA talent is equal to the NBA’s.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Nah allen I guess I understated how poor I think his fundamentals are. I hear what you’re saying but I think tp is a subpar shooter and not in the allen iverson takes 30 low percentage shots kind of way but in the actually is a poor shooter kind of way. His passing is decent but not great, I think he’s an overrated defender. If you take away lebrons speed he’s still going to be a strong rebounding great passing power forward who has skils. If you take away tony parkers speed to get into the lane what do you have?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AllenP, and if you look at the stats, aside from dropping 6 more ppg’s the numbers between the two are similar, and D Rose doesn’t have a Tim Duncan or anything close to it.

  • TADOne

    I don’t like tony Parker, never have. However, for the NBA 2009-2010 season: Parker > Rose.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Allenp:
    Next thing you’ll be trying to convince cats that LeBron is better than Caron Butler.

  • jdn41

    make shaq 6’3, take away reggie miller’s jumpshot, and take away cp3 entire right leg while your at it. who freaking cares if one guy has an ability that he uses to his advantage everyone’s made differently syaing a player is useless without this or that is not only speculating but also entirely pointless

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Parker will put up better numbers for sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tariq, you said a rookie averaging 16 & 6 isn’t better than Steve Nash so I just dropped their numbers.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Dudes just need to accept it. Derrick Rose is the truth. I can sympathize a bit with those who think Rose might be a bit too high on this list, but those who say Rose doesn’t deserve to be on this list at all need to stop calling themselves basketball fans.

  • MeloMan2.0

    ok honestly, d rose is a beast! hes like a mini lebron… but right now, Billups is the better player. even though i think he recieved a tad too much praise for the Nuggets success last year, if drose was on the nuggets instead, they probably wouldn’t do as good

  • slick ric

    D rose is going to prove all the haters wrong this year, people thought he should not of been the # 1 draft pick but he came away with the rookie of the year and led his team to the playoffs. say what you wanna say but this guy is the real deal and he is going to show that this season because he feeds off the obsurd scrunity u fools give, he going to average great numbers and make the allstar team for many years to come. bi***es

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