Monday, October 5th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  240 responses

Top 50: Derrick Rose, no. 18

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Franklyn Calle

The time has come! The guy you all love to hate has finally appeared on the rankings. If you’ve been following our Top 50 list as of late, then you already know that DRose has been meDerrick Rosentioned in the comments section more than the featured player. And for the most part, the comments haven’t been too positive.

Many of you feel Rose is too high. Maybe he is, maybe not.

There is no point for me to sit here and try to convince those who aren’t happy with where is ranked or even those who don’t like his game. An article will not all of the sudden change your perspective on him. Instead I will evaluate his rookie season, what can be expected from him next season, and what could have led to him landing at No. 18.

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We all witnessed history on April 18, when DRose had a historic playoff performance against the defending champions – the Boston Celtics – finishing with 36 points, 11 assists and 4 rebounds, while shooting 63 percent from the floor. His 36 points tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for most points ever scored by a rookie in his playoff debut. I should note that Abdul-Jabbar was 22 years old at the time and Rose was only 20. And…. 10 inches of height makes a difference. Rose also became only the second player in NBA history to finish with more than 35 points and 10 assists in his playoff debut (regardless of years in the League).

So let’s see, how did the Chicago native’s first year numbers rank with those of Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker and Devin Harris? If we were to compare Rose’s rookie season to those of the League’s premiere point guards, it is evident that he is on his way to be a very special one.

Compared to the point guards who were just mentioned, Rose’s regular season rookie stats showed he may very well be the real deal. Only Iverson averaged more points than Rose as a rookie. What about field goals? His 47.5 percent from the floor was higher than any of the aforementioned guards. Only Paul, Iverson and Kidd averaged more assists then Rose as a rookie, and that difference was by less than 1.5 assists.

Rose is the only one who led his team to the Playoffs as a rookie. I emphasize ‘LED‘ because although Nash, Parker and Harris made the Playoffs as rookies, all three teams had other guys they depended on to lead the way. We all can agree that Rose was a huge factor in the Bulls making the Playoffs after Chicago’s absence the previous year. He shot 80 percent from the free throw line in the Playoffs, better than any of the other guards when they played in the Playoffs for the first time – and keep in mind most of them dudes didn’t even make the Playoffs until their third year in the League.

With Ben Gordon leaving to the Pistons, you can expect for Rose’s stats to increase by a good amount. A 22-point, 8-assist, and 6-rebound season is very well possible.

Now I’ve noticed some people argued that Rose only shot 22 percent from behind the arc. Well, he proved in his playoff debut that he can easily drop 36 points without ever having to hit a single three-pointer. It won’t be too long before the same applies for 40-point performances. And let’s be real, his three-point percentage will improve with experience and years.

Another argument against Rose seems to be his defense. My question is how many 20-year-olds do you guys remember coming into the League and straight up locking down guys? Name the point guards! You won’t find many… if any! In fact you have grown-ass men in their 30s in the League who still don’t seem to have learned the fundamentals of defense.

So if we’re going by statistics, then it’s fair to say Rose is well ahead enough to being one of the NBA’s premier guards. If we are going by talent and court presence, even better. I don’t know how many point guards in the League are as athletic, agile and explosive as he is. Again, if any.

Now how did he end up at the 18 slot? Well as you may see at the bottom of the page, “rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performances.” This hints that it has nothing to do with what a player has done in his career, and more so with what it is expected of him this season. It is obvious by where he is ranked that expectations are higher for Rose than, say, Billups and all the other guards who have already appeared in the Top 50 list.

Coincidentally enough, Rose celebrated his 21st birthday yesterday.

Say what you like, but if last year was any indication, Rose is on his way to either being your favorite point guard, or your favorite point guard to hate. But either way, he’ll have you talking for years to come.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • slick ric

    D rose is going to prove all the haters wrong this year, people thought he should not of been the # 1 draft pick but he came away with the rookie of the year and led his team to the playoffs. say what you wanna say but this guy is the real deal and he is going to show that this season because he feeds off the obsurd scrunity u fools give, he going to average great numbers and make the allstar team for many years to come. bi***es

  • slick ric

    D rose is going to prove all the haters wrong this year, people thought he should not of been the # 1 draft pick but he came away with the rookie of the year and led his team to the playoffs. say what you wanna say but this guy is the real deal and he is going to show that this season because he feeds off the obsurd scrunity u fools give, he going to average great numbers and make the allstar team for many years to come. bi***es

  • http://slamonline,com fonz

    all i got to say is that the bulls are going to be the magic of last year. The suprise upset to make it to the finals. A starting lineup of rose, salmons, deng, thomas and noah (who by the way both added upper body muscle) A a bench of johnson, gibson, pargo, miller and hinrich is one of the best if not the best group to come of the bench in the nba

  • slick ric

    D rose is going to prove all the haters wrong this year, people thought he should not of been the # 1 draft pick but he came away with the rookie of the year and led his team to the playoffs. say what you wanna say but this guy is the real deal and he is going to show that this season because he feeds off the obsurd scrunity u fools give, he going to average great numbers and make the allstar team for many years to come. bi***es

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Bryan:
    What do Nash’s rookie numbers have to do with anything??
    P.S.
    Say hi to DRose’s cousin Greg for me.

  • TADOne

    People are really passionate about Rose one way or another. I feel as though he is a few spots too high, but i’m quite sure that shouldn’t make me a ‘hater’. I miss the days where we could debate on here without people saying you are stupid or hating when you feel as though one or two proven players should be ranked ahead of players on the fringe. It is all opinions at the end of the day.

  • Hussman25

    HOW IS D-ROSE BETTER THAN “MR. BIG SHOT!” Im done already… Chauncey needs to be top 15! PERIOD! This may be the most argued entry in the top 50!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    It’s about effing time.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @Enigmatic: I don’t think anyone’s arguing that he shouldn’t be top 50… just that it’s silly how he’s projected to be the 18th best player in the L this upcoming season. Let’s do without building men of the straw variety.

  • Shem

    Not a Drose hater but im sure we can all agree you cant place a rookie as the 18th best nba player. He isnt better then Billups, Jefferson, Johnson and some others BUT he will be and he is a special talent.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Let’s seem to break this down…Who are some of the best players in the NBA? (I’M GOING TO MISS A LOT OF PEOPLE) PG: CP3, Deron, Chauncey, TP, Jameer, Devin, Rondo, Rose, Gil, Ivey; SG: Kobe, Wade, Roy, T-Mac; SF: LeBron, Melo, Durant, Caron, DannyG, Iggy; PF: TD, Garnett, Pau, Amar’e, Al Jeff, Booze; Centers: Yao, Dwight, Shaq. So I just name dropped a bunch of people by respective positions, but just off the top of my head it seriously seems like the most abundant positions with elite players are pg’s and sf’s. SF’s is a clear-cut winner with LBJ, but PG’s after the top 2 spots (which is still pretty debatable to most) it gets really murky. They all have great skills and can excel, except they also have obvious deficiencies in their games. Idk, I’ll take a second year Rose over an aging pg (regardless if he’s spectacular now), my perfect example is when Boston used Rondo. He won a championship as a second year player, with arguably the best finishing team in recent memory. Idk, pg’s are hard to rank, really because they all have a lot of overlapping games.

  • JUFU

    Um, let’s all think about this. first, D-Rose is a legit player, even as a rookie. second, nash is gonna be worse than Rose this season. he ain’t gettin’ any younger, and ditto with billups, who has a LOT of talent with him on the nuggets. finally, name ten other players (retired or otherwise) that, as rookies besides d-rose who actually led their team into the playoffs. the kid is legit.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Cosign tad.

  • http://slamonline.com 360vue

    im almost dont want to be mean; but this board can often be moron-central. how many times have people explained this ranking system and yet others still take offence to some positions as if their own child has been smacked silly during the process.

    personally, i dont have a problem with this kid. hes about six months younger than me and hes done stuff that ill never do. the only thing he should be getting is applause but too many idiots think its alright to hate on someone they havent even given a chance. so what if rose has been shoved down ur throats as ROY or #1 draft pick. THATS CALLED INEVITABILITY, deal with it, because thats the medias problem not his. this kids got game and from what ive heard of him hes got a functioning brain up there along with common sense, which for such a precocious talent really should be admired when most are stuck up morons who couldnt be any further detached from the real world if they were in a parallel universe

  • http://www.bebo.com/SupahhHuman B-Moore

    co sign moose.

  • http://iliveinphoenixidiots.com nbk

    to imply Derrick Rose will be this much better then Billups this year is a little crazy slam. Billups has been to 7 Conference Finals in a ROW…..the only other person to do that is Wilt Chamberlain. Good write up though, but I disagree with the ranking

  • http://slamonline.com 360vue

    “duhhhh im a spastic…. rose isnt 18th best in the L. play wit it.

    duhhhh
    … ur shut the duhhh up, he isnt the 18th best in the L MORONS, they are PROJECTING THIS SEASONS STATS. AND ON A BULLS TEAM WITHOUT GORDON AND DENG POSSIBLY NOT RETURNING TO HIS OLD FORM FOR MONTHS, ROSE IS GONNA BE IN THE LEAGUE LEADERS FOR POINTS AND ASSISTS. ROLL WITH IT

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    That’s all well and good, Klav, but here’s where your argument breaks down: see that 2nd-year player you mentioned? The one who won a chip with Boston? Even when he won that chip, he still wasn’t as good as those “aging pgs” you seem to dislike. You think that Boston team wouldn’t have won with about 10 other PGs running the show? Also, 3rd-year Rondo was a LOT better than 2nd-year Rondo. But I can still debate Billups vs Rose this COMING season. We can have a convo about that. But to say that he’s ALREADY better than Nash and Parker is just laughable.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    @Moose….4:57 pm: BAD BOY!!!!

  • http://www.larrybird.com larry bird

    PANAGIOTIS, ???

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    That last comment was by me, had no idea why it showed up as larry bird.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS

    …..>Parker>Diamantidis>Calderon>Spanoulis>….>Sarunas>D.Rose>Rubio>……>Rondo>J.R.Holden>……>Lakovic>…….>Me>Iverson.

  • Afonso

    @ BRYAN CRAWFORD…ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT YOUR MAN CRUSH WITH ROSE?!?!

    I SAID HES 10 AFTER CP3, DWILL, TP, BILLUPS, HARRIS, JAMEER, RONDO, KIDD, ETC…SAYIN ROSE IS BETTER, TODAY, THAN THIS 8 GUYS IS YOUR MAN CRUSH, DONT INVOLVE ME IN THAT…THATS YOUR THING SON..

  • Garett

    18th best in the league? Probably not. More like 30. But for this upcoming season, in his situation, I think it’s pretty close. A little high, but not criminal. Chill.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Tariq, I wasn’t directing that at you, just some food for discussion for all. But I don’t have anything against aging pg’s, I’m just tired of having people hype up players more than what the’re worth NOW. Do I think Nash could lead a championship team at this stage in his career? No. Do I think Devin Harris could lead a championship team now? No. And I wouldn’t even give it to Rose at this point. I think everybody speculates way too much on the given talent that we’re blessed to watch over an 82 game schedule. There are plenty of good floor generals, and everybody will have their reason why this guy is better than that guy or if he were on this team or whatever. To me it’s just numbing how people can banter for so long on a topic that has been debated since what? The last 10 rankings? I’m done with PG rankings and Kobe vs. LeBron. That ish is more played out than hooker p****. I’m going to sit back and watch people argue. And Spanny’s rank of world pg’s is the best comment of the day. (Not joking either)

  • Tdot

    360vue some basketball fans realize a player can be better then his stats project and vice versa. Like Derrick Rose who will have better stats then Billups without a doubt will not be better because Billups will lead his team to more victories, he shoot a better % in the 4th quarter, and will also have a lower turnover ratio. Just because derrick Rose goes for 22, 7, and 4 this year does not make him better then Billups. In my opinion

  • http://wtfslamonline.com nbk

    that last comment by tdot was me. Slam is one messed up message board

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ Alfonso: He didn’t mean RIGHT NOW. He means this season.
    @ Garett: Couldn’t agree more.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Klav: You make a lot of good points. I don’t think Nash could ever have “lead” a team to a chip. But that boston team was loaded. i think they coulda won with him. devin too. and rose.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    360
    Nah, you’re wrong. They aren’t predicting stats. If they were “predicting stats” Iverson wouldn’t have been 50 and Josh Smith wouldn’t have been 40. If they were predicting stats, OJ Mayo would have been higher.
    They are predicting who is going to be…Hell, I don’t really know..
    Lang said in his Ivey piece that there is NO WAY Iverson is the 50th best player in the NBA next season.
    NONE.
    But, he’s ranked in that position because that’s how people perceive his worth. It ain’t about stats, if it was about stats Igoudala wouldn’t have been number 26.
    It’s about some nebulous concept of who is the “better player in an NBA system according to what NBA teams are looking for.”
    It is what it is, but people have questioned the system and I think rightfully so. Calling people stupid is counterproductive especically when you aren’t making a coherent argument.
    Bryan
    I think Tony’s fundamentals as a shooter have improved greatly, and are no worse than Rose’s. I think his court sense and saavy are lightyears ahead of Roses, as they should be given his time in the league. Rose is obviously an athletic freak, but I think Parker’s all around game is better than Roses and I expect it to be better next year. I also think that given Parker’s all around game, he would have put up better numbers and had comparable team success playing point for the Bulls last year.
    I haven’t really seen where you’ve explained why you think Parker’s game is so different from Rose’s that he wouldn’t have put up the same 16 and 6 on 47 percent shooting.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Klav you should be careful when using the term Ivey.. Cause well, I thought you were referring to Royal Ivey. LOL

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Tariq while we’re at it I think that team could’ve won with Derek Fisher. LOL Rondo didn’t play a ridiculous part in Boston’s eventual win, although I will credit him for being a HELL of a lot better than Eddie House as pointman. I’ve said it a billion times, when you got Vladimir Radmanovic guarding Pierce, you might as well hand the team the Larry O’Brien. PJ disappointed me by not using Ariza that year, and now Ariza’s head got too big and let his agent do the talking. I’m still optimistic for the repeat, but the likelihood is getting dimmer and dimmer. And while we’re on the topic,LA wouldn’t nearly benefit from a superstar pg like teams. They just need somebody to regulate distribution and knock down shots, thats why I love the triangle.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    niQ, haha I remember when that post came up where “Ivey re-signs with Sixers” and everybody went apesh!t. GOTCHA! Haha.

  • TADOne

    I’m patiently awaiting the Kevin Durant write-up.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    @PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS. His list is flawed because he forgot to add my name in it.
    @TADOne. He’ll most likely be top 10 at this rate.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Allenp:
    You are way too level-headed for this site. Bryan made a very compelling argument for why Tony Parker couldn’t do what Derrick Rose did: “Bryan is from Chicago and is from the same neighborhood as DRose.” How can you argue with that? That’s about as iron-clad as you can get.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Oh, and Parker plays with Duncan. I think that was his other thing.

  • Afonso

    jjohnson, big All, Caron Butler, Turkoglu, LOdom, DHarris, Ginobili, Rondo and a few more are far and WWAAAYYYY better than DRose TODAY and NEXT SEASON…

    so,Rose lovers,(yes SLAM, i´m lookin at you)…deal with this reality and try to make a better ranking next year…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    This blows. I’m going to go watch the Packers and Vikings.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Afonso
    You should stop. Really. People remember what you write on here.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I wasn’t saying tony parker couldn’t put up the same numbers as derrick rose? What I was saying is that derrick rose has better vision, more strength and better ball handling and at 27 his jumper isn’t going to get much better and derrick rose already has better fundamental form imo. Now the arguement was never made that derrick rose should be higher on this list than tony parker just that in my book I think tp is overrated and derrick rose has more tools to work with I guess.

  • Afonso

    TP is UNDERrated and fundamentals are one of TP best weapons, that foot work in the paint against the giants is as fundamentaly sound as you can get…hes the 3rd best PG right now..

    DRose is an athletic freak who could reach DWill and CP3 in 3-5 years..in my opinion hes not the purest PG as his strenght is attacking the rim..but he can and will grow as a playmaker

  • Dyce

    Derrick Rose is in the same mold of point guard that stephon marbuy is….Dont think hes going to be winning championships on his great play.

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    Interesting… I agree with much that has already been said. Should be around no25 IMO

  • Wesjet23

    rather have joe johnson or billups any day
    maybe take rose in 3 years

  • Vegas

    umm, that much better than Rondo? I put Rose at 23rd

  • Vegas

    umm, that much better than Rondo? I put Rose at 23rd

  • http://astrokidz.blogspot.com T.J.

    Overrated.

    Dude has no rings. no asgs. not alot of anything but a good rookie season. I think he got his position more of his potential rather than what he’s actually accomplished. After seeing what Rajon averaged against him in their series I definately wouldn’t list him above JJ, C.Billups, Nash etc. He’s definately top 25 but no way he’s top 20. He’s gotta do more then have one good season to have me ranking him up with the players that have worked hard and earned their spots in the top 20.

  • MC Pats

    Rose is good but not 18th good… yet. Next season definitely top 15 but not top 20 this one. I’d take all the players from 19th to 40th in this list before Derrick Rose.

  • Ronald Michael Soriano

    Overrated! Damn, He’s better than JJ? Better than Danny G? Better than Steve Nash? This guy has proven nothing! Laughable indeed! He won’t even top Chicago in scoring and won’t even be top 5 in assists! Overrated!

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