• October 23, 2009 8:00 am  |  318 Comments

    Top 50: LeBron James, no. 1

    The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

    by Myles Brown/@mdotbrownLeBron James

    The ballots were cast, counted, and a victor has been decided.

    LeBron Raymone James is now the best player in basketball.

    There, that was easy. Or was it?

    It certainly appears to be a concise and declarative statement. But as with almost all other things regarding the great debate, this too is subject to interpretation.

    What exactly is now? Just this very moment, as in right now? These present times and the foreseeable future, as in nowadays? Perhaps something tentative or undefined, as in now and again?

    Time is of the essence in this industry. The past was once now and the future soon will be. Those who’ve aren’t willing to wait any longer believe their time is now. Those who aren’t ready to leave believe their time is still now. Problem is, no one knows how long now will last.

    It’s no secret that each time we compile one of these lists much ado is made of the criteria. Is it based on last year, next year or an entire career? The answer would seem to lie in another concise and declarative statement: Rankings are based solely on projected 09-10 performance. But it’s not always easy to separate the three. Anything a player is deemed capable of doing in the future is based entirely on what they’ve done in the past. Being the best is not a proclamation, it’s a journey and destination.

    And what is it to be the best anyway? Is it the most advantageous player, the most suitable player or the most desirable? We were spoiled for a decade by the unquestionable legacy of Michael Jordan, because he was all three. He was the most advantageous player because he was the most talented and fundamentally sound. Coupling those advantages with a keen intellect and an indomitable will made him the most suitable player to lead a team. The dynasty that ensued made it downright silly to desire anyone else.

    Since he’s left us, these titles have been fragmented. But LeBron James could unify them and put all the semantics to rest if he’d just win a championship.

    He holds a very special place in both the current and historical hierarchy. He’s the most ready made prep to pro player ever, who somehow managed to exceed the hype in leading his hometown team from the doldrums of irrelevance. He’s an unprecedented package of size, skill and athleticism, as close to a one man team as we’ve ever seen. While Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade have seemingly recaptured the essence of what made Jordan great, LeBron has redirected the collective consciousness to what is possible beyond that lengthy shadow. Triple double averages, Defensive Player of the Year, leading the league in scoring and assists, you name it. Nothing is unquestionably beyond his grasp.

    Which is why it’s so maddening to see him fall short. He still hasn’t found the consistency with his midrange jumper. He has yet to shoot 80% from the line. His footwork is pedestrian and his post game is underdeveloped. These shouldn’t be the flaws of a seven year vet. Yet in spite of them, there still isn’t a team in the league that can truly stop him. Only four teams would even dare say they can contain him. But those four teams are what stand between him and indisputable greatness.

    We’ve been at this for years. The awe, the anticipation, the inevitability of it all. For years he’s accelerated our expectations by exceeding them so easily, but the conversation has shifted from potential to production. He’s shown us he can do all but one thing. Every other year that it didn’t happen was nothing more than an inconvenience. This year if it doesn’t happen, it’s not only failure but possibly one of catastrophic proportions. In putting such pressure on the Cavaliers to build a contender he also put pressure on himself to produce a title. If he can’t achieve that in Cleveland, then he’s put pressure on himself to find somewhere he can.

    LeBron Raymone James is the best player in basketball. But he has to win.

    Now.

    Notes
    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
    • Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
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    • sam chadwick Posted: Oct.23 at 8:06 am
      D.Wade shudda been number 1

    • sam chadwick Posted: Oct.23 at 8:06 am
      but Lebron may prove me wrong this season

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 8:07 am
      Great write up.I already said my problem with bron is the lack of a mature game and I stand by that but there’s no arguement here 1 or 2 doesn’t matter you can’t go wrong with either player.

    • jkl Posted: Oct.23 at 8:08 am
      i lose lol

    • Kas Posted: Oct.23 at 8:08 am
      KOBE is the best player in basketball right now

    • Solon Posted: Oct.23 at 8:13 am
      OHHHHH. I agree. LeBron is def. best player in the league. Kobe had the best team last year. we’ll see what happens with Shaq on Board, …(and maybe Steven Jackson (Paging Mr. Ferry, Paging.)
      i think Cavs win it all , LeBron mvp again…33, 9 rebs, 8.5 ast, 1.5 steals, 2 blocks, 68 wins.

    • Ken Posted: Oct.23 at 8:16 am
      Really enjoyed this write up. Solid way to end the list.
      I’m also really happy, because when the list began, the season felt like it was years away from starting. Now that the list is done, that means I’ll be watching games that matter (with real refs!) in 4 days. Awesomeness.

    • deakbain Posted: Oct.23 at 8:19 am
      I do not think LeBron better than Kobe Bryant

    • Dagomar Posted: Oct.23 at 8:22 am
      He’s a 6-year vet thus far (this is his 7th season) but he’s also only 24. That means he’s just getting started in some ways. I’m not sure I see the enormous amount of pressure on his shoulders when his team isn’t close to being the most talented in the league. Good ranking here; it’s hard to argue that Lebron isn’t the league’s best player.

    • A. Carter Posted: Oct.23 at 8:23 am
      i still don’t think u can give him “Best in the League” when he hasn’t won a ring yet, he lost to Kobe in both games last year, he was not the mvp of the olympics in the deciding game…and Kobe is still in his doin his thing night after night. But it’s cool, Kobe will be there in the end…He always is.

    • Juice Posted: Oct.23 at 8:28 am
      boooooooo

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.23 at 8:34 am
      This was the best write up of the entire Top 50. Everything I’ve ever felt about LeBron James was neatly packaged into a few paragraphs and came across smoother than an Obama speech. Even though I feel like all players who want to stake claim to the throne need a ring first and like Myles said, if he can get one his place in the game will be undisputed. I’ve never been as excited about an NBA season as I am this year. Thanks to Myles and everyone else who made the Top 50 possible.

    • BeeBopLIVE Posted: Oct.23 at 8:34 am
      Mos Def one of the most advanced and dominant players in the league today on both ends of the floor big ups 2 the King aka video game james

    • Hangtime Hec Posted: Oct.23 at 8:37 am
      Pretty much explained in detail what this list is about. Not a list of best players ever, but a list of players that are great AS OF NOW. I also liked the line that states that our future is defined by our past. So, yes Lebron James as of right now, is the best basketball player living on the planet.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 8:38 am
      Because some stat nerd will come in here and say how the numbers make it obvious : due to the system and structure of their respective teams Kobe has had only one season where he asked to do as much as Lebron. 02-03 he averaged 30 ppg 7 rpg 6rpg 2.2 spg and .8 bpg. Similar no?

    • ENDS Posted: Oct.23 at 8:40 am
      Slam has Stock in LBJ Inc. Didnt I tell you

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 8:42 am
      Co sign b long its like I can’t even add to or comment on this because myles stole my words.

    • ENDS Posted: Oct.23 at 8:42 am
      The whole Slam Lit was a sham. Please no more top 50 list ever again slam

    • ENDS Posted: Oct.23 at 8:42 am
      list

    • BIRDMAN JR Posted: Oct.23 at 8:49 am
      Cmon bryan only one season, stop acting like if kobe wanted he could avg 30, 7, 7, for 4-5 years like lebron has done so far. Kobe fanactis always say that crap, even dwade last year put up better all-around numbers than kb ever has. Kobe a great scorer but when it comes to all-around excellence lebron is el hefe. Only two other players in the history of ball (out of the tens of thousands who have the privilege of playin in the L) have put up the numbers bron have and none of them are named after a steak. Get ur mind right.

    • Darksaber Posted: Oct.23 at 8:59 am
      Wouldn’t have expected Mdot to do the Bron write-up (his semi sarcastic, stinging anti LBJ comments are well chronicled on numerous comment sections), but this was a great article to read… Oh and this shoulda been his ranking in the last Top 50 too. And I agree ENDS, Slamonline needs a new main attraction in the offseason.

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 9:01 am
      You know what? That was fair. I think the footwork is fine and he apparently worked on the post game all summer long. BUT the midrange J and especially the free throws have to get better. Superstar wings shoot 85 and up from the line, there’s just no excuses for that. None.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 9:02 am
      Odd that two guys that detest Lebron would find this the best written article of the Top 50. Myles…..I liked it for it’s honesty, although winning “now” should in no way define who the dude is as a player who may have another 12-14 seasons of play left in him. That’s a bit short sighted….but not unexpected. Ryne, Ben, whoever, you should really distance yourselves from the lackluster praise that comes with the last couple of spots on the lists as this seasons and last turned up. Like last years Kobe piece by Ryan, this years piece by Ryan on the Kobester and this particular one….if there isn’t a solid enough piece to compliment the guy in some sort of customary way as the other 48 spots are done….then maybe it should just be a pic of the guys and then a comment section. Just my opinion. Unless of course one of these two guys is no longer a top two selection and then the debate is not even warranted. That seems to be a couple of seasons off though.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 9:06 am
      Birdman I think he could have.

    • rinspeed Posted: Oct.23 at 9:07 am
      Ridiculous. There is no way someone who hasn’t even won a chip should be considered the best player in basketball.

    • max Posted: Oct.23 at 9:08 am
      So where kobe need four rings to be considered one of the best of all-time… lebron only needs ONE and hes “allowed” to have shaq on his team without anyone questioning his greatness(in case they win it all). It doesn’t make sense. Furthermore, Wade already won ONE ring with shaq and he gets the same (slightly better even) stats than lebron and no one talks about him being one of the best of all-time.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.23 at 9:09 am
      @Eboy……:you write “…..winning “now” should in no way define who the dude is as a player who may have another 12-14 seasons of play left in him…..” that was pure comedy, thanks!!!! (Clearly you got NO IDEA about the rules of modern “chemistry” in professsional sports in 2010. Lebron’s head is already more rectangular than what Ben Wallace’s ever became,…..)

    • LeoneL Posted: Oct.23 at 9:11 am
      Now let’s see you get that ring. No problem here with the placement.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.23 at 9:11 am
      @rinspeed…..:Mike had not win a ring by 1991 but he was already the best from 1988….

    • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.23 at 9:12 am
      Great write-up Myles…

    • monkeyball Posted: Oct.23 at 9:13 am
      @rinspeed: Read the parameters of the list: “Based on projected 09-10 performance.” Winning a title in the past should have nothing to do with it.

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 9:21 am
      I do agree with Eboy on the ‘winning now’ thing, it won’t be a catastrophe, let’s just chill… He won’t win every year and he has A LOT of years to play. Anyone who’s a bit honest can recognize that Bron was the best player in the playoffs last year. Having the best player on your team can certainly improve your chances of winning any given game but is by no means a guarantee. Heck, there’s NEVER any guarantee of winning it all. So, basically I don’t think this is make or break for LBJ as far as winning titles. I can’t remember, I was way too young but was it do or die for MJ the year he won his first title?

    • jude Posted: Oct.23 at 9:22 am
      didnt see Speedy Claxton on the list… is he gna be #0?

    • james Posted: Oct.23 at 9:28 am
      future defensive player of the year!
      wtf….
      his man to man d is WEAK
      so what if he gets 2 blocks a game from crusing some 6ft pg’s “open” layup.
      kobes a better defender. lebron is just begging it with big blocks like shouting im a good defensive player. proof is in the fucking pudding.
      4 puddings
      a pudding is a ring.
      fml

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 9:28 am
      The argument with winning titles to be the best player in the L is flawed. What if you happen to play for Memphis? Why would that exclude you from the conversation? I totally get why you wouldn’t get MVP because your input would be less valuable in a whack team because there wouldn’t be much at stake. But your production level would be the same. That’s also why I thought it was whack that they passed on KD for the all-star game last year. He was clearly amongst the 12 best players in his conf.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 9:31 am
      Z…..no it wasn’t (regarding Michael). All it did was validate his place in the game. That will be the same thing with Lebron. It validated Dwyane and he hasn’t sniffed another Finals appearance since. It’s part of the process. Kobe took how many years to get his first title. 5? And he did it with perhaps the most dominant big man of the last 30 years, perhaps the greatest coach of all time and a team that was assembled that was one of the top ten in history? Yeah….I’m not sure how Lebron is so behind the curve but I guess he is.

    • phil Posted: Oct.23 at 9:34 am
      how can u be the “best” basketball player if u cant shoot midrange consistently and shooting under 80% from free throw line???? HUH QUEEN JAMES???

    • rnibbs20 Posted: Oct.23 at 9:39 am
      kobe should be no. 1 he’s the one that won the championship this past season, and plus he’s more talented than lebron james. bron can’t even shoot the j as well as kobe and wouldn’t want the ball in brons hands if the game was tied and the was 3 seconds left on the shot clock

    • Furious Posted: Oct.23 at 9:42 am
      this write up is perfect. it says why he’s so good, discusses his flaws, counters the flaws. and explains the logic behind him being this high on *this* list. brilliant.

    • Furious Posted: Oct.23 at 9:43 am
      of course, that probably makes me both a “kobe hater” and “on lebron’s sack”.

    • Furious Posted: Oct.23 at 9:46 am
      also, before i go to bed, just wanna say that i cannot wait to see each contributer’s list.

    • NUPE Posted: Oct.23 at 9:53 am
      Overall good write-up. I agree LBJ can improve his post moves, mid-range j etc, and when/if he does (before he looses his athleticism) he’ll be able to argue for a spot among the greatest ever. Kobe got better this year by working with the Dream and it shows in his game. LBJ still is just a better player and absolutely the better leader. However, this is still a team game and even if LBJ does not win a ring this year, that doesn’t make him any less or more of a player. So I wish people would stop talking about the ring count because there are plenty of players with rings that are not great and other great players without rings. Jordan got his rings because he had Pip. If Pip never came to the Bulls Jordan still would have been great. Kobe has Pau, Lamar and Artest, Bron has an old ass Shaq. regardless of who wins a ring, don’t let that cloud who the best player is.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 9:55 am
      Eboy I don’t think lebron is behind the curve as much as I get tired of hearing how no one is as great as he is every f*cking day. Its the lebron fanboys and the media d*ckriders that I have a problem with not lebron himself. Jordan was annointed the greatest until he won and knocked off the top dog its just the way its supposed to work and now it seems in this age everybody wants to skip a step or two and just say “kinnnnng james number 1!” but what has he done to validate that? His numbers are great great numbers but its not like they haven’t been seen before. And he has serious flaws that get overlooked because everyone just wants him to the be the best so badly. I for one don’t think kobe has any holes in his game on the physical side its always been attitude with him. Lebron has holes in his game and a little bit of an attitude problem as well. He acts like all this is owed to him and he deserves to win just for showing up.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 9:59 am
      He’s not the first it happened with either, shaq at 24 named one of the 50 greatest was a little ridiculous. He ended up proving himself to be all that and more just as I think lebron will also but at that time he was given that rank based on speculation of what he could become not on what he was and its the same thing with lebron. He’s a physically dominant monster who puts up obscene numbers but has yet to deliver a cahmpionship. He’s the shaq of forwards for real.

    • LexLuther Posted: Oct.23 at 10:03 am
      kobe dick-riders give it up.. LeBron is THAT nigga and will be for a decade to come. Kobe’s game is still ice cold but LeBron is the most dominating wing player of all time. Your all forgetting that King James has yet to play with a legit, in-their-prime superstar, and while the addition of Shaq may help some,however far this team goes this season is going to be on LeBron. The same niggas hatin on LeBron now are the ones who are begging him to sign with their team next summer. LeBron IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Believe that

    • JDH21 Posted: Oct.23 at 10:13 am
      Good, write up. Kobe is still the best though. Lebron has certain aspects of his game that are better, but as mentioned he also has weaknesses. Kobe can pretty much do it all. Unlike Lebron he has moves with his back to the basket, is a great defender and is a good free throw shooter. I know I am being very nit picky, but if you are going to be the best you gotta hit free throws. Kobe’s numbers don’t always look as nice as Lebron’s, but that is simply because less is required of him on the Lakers.

    • Wayno Posted: Oct.23 at 10:23 am
      LEBRON OVER AI?!?!? WTF?!?!?

    • Marcel Mutoni Posted: Oct.23 at 10:29 am
      LeBron James, unquestionably the best player in the NBA. To have never won a championship. Olé!

    • Shelton Posted: Oct.23 at 10:44 am
      So the # 1 guy has flaws in his game but the # 2 guy doesn’t. Doesn’t make sense. Kobe is a better overall player…we look too much into stats and hype. Kobe proves himself every year but the media refuses to acknowledge him as the greatest since MJ.

    • add Posted: Oct.23 at 10:45 am
      mj is way better than lbj will ever be.

    • chiqo Posted: Oct.23 at 10:46 am
      his middle name is raymone? hahaha

    • Adam Fleischer Posted: Oct.23 at 10:46 am
      Good ish, Myles. Good win, bottom line.

    • D.R.23. 21. Posted: Oct.23 at 10:47 am
      so lebron is the best cause he puts up stats so i guess magic was better than jordan cause his stats were better people please understand what fake jordan(kobe) has done has not been seen since mike himself i understand kobe could be fake but he really is the best point blank and i always thought kobe was fake but boy is that boy a problem

    • la huey Posted: Oct.23 at 10:53 am
      lebron ahead of starbury? i know they’re different positions so it’s tough to compare, but whaaaaaat?

    • Jake Posted: Oct.23 at 11:05 am
      I disagree.

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.23 at 11:08 am
      ***slow clap***

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 11:09 am
      Does the best player in the league have to be the most complete one? Those are two different topics to me. Kobe is more versatile as a scorer but he doesn’t score more and he doesn’t shoot a higher percentage from the field. And if you really think about it, Kobe is a more complete scorer (as in, scoring in more ways) but not necessarily a more complete player (as in, affecting the game in more ways).

    • RV Posted: Oct.23 at 11:11 am
      B Long, no fantasy bball this year? Need one spot filled to even out the league…let me know…anyone else interested?

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 11:13 am
      Bryan, who are the d-ckriders you’re talking about? FOr the last year or so, I haven’t came across one post about Bron on this site that wasn’t filled by negative comments. EVERYONE talks about the erratic jumper, it’s not something that’s being swept under the rug. Nobody is saying that he’s the greatest ever, just that he’s the best in the league right now. The guy has the third highest scoring avg of all-time behing Wilt and MJ, he deserves the props. And to all you revisionists out there: MJ was the best in the L before the first championship.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 11:23 am
      For example , you. And people like you. Mostly I’m talking about the media though. And looking back mj was the best before his first ring that’s how we remember it but at the time the best were magic isiah and bird and that’s how it was potrayed with jordan hot on their heels. Also in this case its not just a case of some complete player kobe bryant is complete and produces at the highest level so imo if lebron produces at the highest level and kobe produces at the highest level but kobe has a more complete game than lebron then I feel like kobe is better. The difference at this point is marginal and I don’t think lebron is a bad choice for number one I just think kobe is better right now.

    • SAB Posted: Oct.23 at 11:25 am
      Myles, fantastic work (jones take note). it’s not often you see a fair LeBron article these days - it’s generally hyperbole either way. but i think it’s a really fair point that he might not actually be making full use of his gifts yet. on the other hand, that implies that he has room for improvement - lord help the league when that arrives. the haters really need to check themselves - the reaction to that block yesterday - “hmm might have been good but why didn’t he catch it” - was just unbelievable. you only have to look at his resume so far to see he’s doing things very few people in history have done. and he’s 24! he’s got plenty of time for a title.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.23 at 11:26 am
      “Anything a player is deemed capable of doing in the future is based entirely on what they’ve done in the past.”
      Well, this was good to see written by somebody involved with creating the list.

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.23 at 11:29 am
      RV:I tried to send you a response but it said my invitation was cancelled? Hit me up with another email, sincitysouth@hotmail.com.

    • k3v1n3o5 Posted: Oct.23 at 11:29 am
      “Triple double averages, Defensive Player of the Year, leading the league in scoring and assists, you name it. Nothing is unquestionably beyond his grasp”. GET OFF HIS JOCK!..He shouldnt even have been no.2 in DPOY voting last year.Wade had more steals than LeBron,and also had more blocks than LeBron while being 4inches shorter.LeBron wont average triple-double,its just too hard,and he wont be leader in assists as long as CP3 is in the league.

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.23 at 11:32 am
      Eboy:I’ve never one time said that I hate or detest LeBron James…in any shape, form, or fashion. Just because you don’t choke on his manhood doesn’t mean you don’t enjoy watching the guy play basketball and appreciate his game.

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 11:39 am
      Bryan, you’re just another Don Quixote fighting against windmills. Name me one journo that doesn’t acknowledge that Bron needs to work on his J and is not a finished product. One. Can you already be the best player in the league and yet still continue to improve? Absolutely. But nevermind me, I just ride d-cks. / Allenp, that’s not always true. You can see great potential in someone that actually sucks and has never really done anything. Like Tyrus Thomas.

    • niQ Posted: Oct.23 at 11:40 am
      Wow. People really need to chill. It’s not like this list will affect your life in anyway. You’re not going to lose sleep just cause SLAM ranked Lebron over Kobe. Relax people.

    • Tower Posted: Oct.23 at 11:48 am
      lebron ahead of scalabrine? i know they’re different positions so it’s tough to compare, but whaaaaaaat?

    • SAB Posted: Oct.23 at 11:56 am
      @niQ - so true - it’s impossible to TALK about this, because people are too busy shouting “he’s GREAT” “he SUCKS” etc etc. y’all need to calm the f down. i can understand Kobe fans being bitter at the media. but they’re so busy accusing people of riding LeBron’s jock, it’s hilariously hypocritical…

    • BIRDMAN JR Posted: Oct.23 at 11:58 am
      Kobe a great scorer but when it comes to all-around excellence lebron is el hefe. Kobe takes too many jumpers for my liking, i rather have a player that constantly attacks the rim than one that stays outside and settles for js. Also kobe is only 31 yrs yall acting like his some 40 yr old chap, mj, dr j and clyde were still driving and attacking the rim in their late 30s. Kobe in reality has never possesed the first step and ups that others have. And all this bs bout kobe clutchness is bull, his % is at 25% while lebron’s somewhere around 37% in the closing seconds so you tell me who’s more clutch. Kobe’s one of the greatest to ball but his numbers compared to other greats is not up to par. This is not a list of the best player on the best team, this is a list of the best player by his damm self.

    • RV Posted: Oct.23 at 11:59 am
      B long , done!

    • RV Posted: Oct.23 at 12:00 pm
      and Kobe is Dream, Lebron is Shaq…as far as skills go…so yes i’d put Kobe slightly ahead of Lebron

    • The Seed Posted: Oct.23 at 12:04 pm
      Lebron is becoming the new Steve Nash, lets give him things he does not deserve. Lebron is a Defensive Player of the Year candiate, blocks from behind, being shown on ESPN does not count and he can’t average a triple double for a season, come on, he is not fundamenatly sound and when Lebron does get more mature with his game and fundamentaly sound, his atheltic ability will go down and then people will see what happens. I fear Lebron getting a bad injury soon, by the way he plays, also he will not lead the league in assists come on, Lebron has become a joke to me, with all this respect for a dude who crap on his team last year, trying to be a hero, but looked like agent zero, holding the ball, wearing my MVP shirt, not shaking hands, giving Terrell Pryor advice, saying I will dunk on Bush, this dude is dumb, so until he wins something he is just another player, for real, because he had a nice team last year, they won 66 games and got bounce–excuses teammates, but wasn’t he the utlimate leader like his twin Tim “overhyped Tebow. So Lebron should have been able to lead the Cavs right-NO. Lebron to me is the most overhyped glorifed player ever, I really wish Jordan told his true feelins about him, because Jordan had to work to get the throne. These dudes now are trying to take it from Kobe after he won a title and give it to a non jump shooting, suspect dribbler player.

    • karma Posted: Oct.23 at 12:06 pm
      In 2000 they used to say Kobe was too selfish, that he wouldn’t amount to nothing more than a sidekick. In 2005, when he missed the playoffs, they said he’d never win another ring without Shaq. In 2006, when he tore the league up and dragged a team with SMUSH EFFIN PARKER to the 7th seed in a loaded West, they said his team was not good enough for him to be MVP. When his team WAS good enough to be the MVP, they said he still wouldn’t win a ring. When he WON a ring, they said he’s not the best player because HIS TEAM IS TOO GOOD. Hypocritical, much? Keep thinking of more excuses haters, that’s 4 and counting.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 12:07 pm
      Birdman the players you named weren’t 13 year vets by the time they were 31. Z you are correct you do ride d*cks.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.23 at 12:07 pm
      Z
      You can only see potential if people have done something. The reason why people think Tyrus Thomas has fans is because we have seen him do things that make us say “Well, this kid could be Shawn Kemp if he puts it together.”
      The problem is that he never seems to put it together.
      Myles is saying we decide what people are capable of based on what they’ve done in the past, which I said nearly two months ago on a certain post that shall not be named. The idea that you can make projections without considering the past is ridiculous.
      That said, I do want to compliment Myles on a well-written article that perfectly captured most people’s feelings about Lebron.

    • IG Posted: Oct.23 at 12:15 pm
      Im sorry but it sounds like the writer is trying to convince HIMSELF that LeBron James is number one.
      Kobe is still a level above LeBron James.
      Will LJ be better than Kobe? I can only assume he will be…but not yet.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 12:15 pm
      Also when I have people who have never watched or played the game coming up and talking about how wonderful lebron is , it makes me wonder where they got that idea. Casual fans tell the story of the media bias towards lebron, just because I don’t remember every joe schmo espn announcer doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And in case people forgot when lebron first got to the league and in the 2 or 3 years following I was the one saying he could lead the league in every major category if he wanted to and I still believe that, but the same way you have to seperate most complete from best you have to seperate best statistically from the best player.

    • James the Balla Posted: Oct.23 at 12:16 pm
      Co sign karma and the seed … it is pretty crazy.

    • Anton Posted: Oct.23 at 12:17 pm
      I guarantee 1,000 comments.

    • Ben Osborne Posted: Oct.23 at 12:18 pm
      I have found the list to be a big success.

    • Z Posted: Oct.23 at 12:19 pm
      That was already established, Bryan. Keep fighting the good fight against the Bron d-ckriders. The Seed pretty much summed up Bron’s career, nothing more to add. He can even predict a bad injury happening soon! Bye.

    • knock knock Posted: Oct.23 at 12:19 pm
      2 game winners in a 7 year career!!??? ARE YOU SERIOUS? All of you people needa calm down, as Slam slurps LEBRONS nuts more than any other magazine, hands down. I mean, he’s their loverboy, i mean coverboy. Of course they think he’s number 1.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 12:22 pm
      Ben : agreed.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.23 at 12:23 pm
      Does anybody know how many “game-winners” Iverson has hit?
      Not very many.
      Was he still clutch as hell in his prime?
      Yes he was.

    • James the Balla Posted: Oct.23 at 12:27 pm
      AllenP … Iverson hit 19.

    • karma Posted: Oct.23 at 12:31 pm
      I dont care about the game winners or anything else. I care about the serious holes in his game. He cannot hit a jump-shot to save his life, and every jump shot he makes look like a fluke. His footwork is terrible. Again, its like comparing Hakeem to Shaq in 94-95. Hakeem was the one winning rings, and had undeniable skills. Shaq was the youngin with the infinite power and the hype. In the end, Hakeem did what matters most: win. And that is what you will see in the 2010 NBA season with Kobe.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 12:31 pm
      Clutch doesn’t always mean game winners its putting your team in a position to win close games. A couple of years ago in a playoff game against the suns kobe hit a ridiculous spin move fade away three from the corner in the 4th. It didn’t win the game but that sh*t was clutch as f*ck.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 12:41 pm
      Wow.

    • Allenp Posted: Oct.23 at 12:44 pm
      James
      Where did you get that number from?

    • The Seed Posted: Oct.23 at 12:44 pm
      People think I am a Lebron hater, like some of these Kobe haters. I just want the young cub to earn his stripes and not give him the reigns to the NBA, without earning it like Bird, Magic, Jordan and Kobe. They were great, but they earned taking stacked teams to the Finals. One more think the LAKERS WITH MAGIC were Stacked the CELTICS WITH BIRD were too Stacked–I even put up numbers to show that Bird had three guys averaging double figures and two above 20 a game and we all know what Magic had. Jordan did the most with less, but Scottie could have had a title as the man in 1994 wasn’t for bad refs and Rodman and Grant were good. So why is Kobe getting shaffted, because Lebron is the media dude, why maybe he says and does the right things, NO, Maybe because his game is the best game NO, Lebron can’t touch WADE right now in overall skills, but his is a KING of something, not a ring yet. For fans who love basketball and watch players earn nicknames and to be set high and feel he has brought us some great behind Blocks, some regualr dunks,not alot of dunks on dudes, one great playoff shot, great stats- 25 point outburst against Detroit and no rings. Really he is the best player. What is America coming too?

    • JEREMIAH Posted: Oct.23 at 12:44 pm
      kinda fitting that shaqs in the background of lebrons picture. Cleveland Cavs 2009-10 NBA CHAMPS

    • Anton Posted: Oct.23 at 12:45 pm
      @ Z 11:13 am “Nobody is saying that he’s the greatest ever”
      To be fair, I am saying that he’s the greatest ever.

    • the big H Posted: Oct.23 at 12:47 pm
      that`s real the king is the best !!!!!!!! & D. wade is better then kobe 2 kobe has the best team

    • the big H Posted: Oct.23 at 12:47 pm
      that`s real the king is the best !!!!!!!! & D. wade is better then kobe 2 kobe has the best team

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 12:47 pm
      All this talk about whos a hater, a d*ck rider and whatever else can be settled with just a few keystrokes. Show the ballots.

    • Yesse Posted: Oct.23 at 12:49 pm
      Well now is time for my judgemt of the list.It fails.

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.23 at 12:50 pm
      LMAO!

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 12:52 pm
      Excuse me… there seems to be a misconception here… Michael wasn’t the best player in the League until he won a chip? Michael was widely considered one of the best players ever three years before he won a chip. ESPN would ride him hard night in and night out. Does no one else remember this? Why does Lebron get such a double standard that doesn’t exist with players like KG and Allen Iverson, who were all great, all-time players without the ring?

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.23 at 12:54 pm
      HELL TO THA NAW!!!!!!!!!!!! And dont even like Kobe like dat, but his game is Flawless from a Fundamental standpoint PERIOD!!! I Pray to GOD they meet in the Finals so BEAN can put him in his place, the dude dont work on his game and im tired of seeing his weak ass thomahawk make SC top ten. Wait til Gilly get to the League he gon kill all the Bron and Kobe talk. OUT!

    • UnRel Posted: Oct.23 at 12:54 pm
      based on this year.. which, again is… Rankings are based solely on projected 09-10 performance… bron and dwade should be 1 and 2.. based on ‘PERFORMANCE’.. but kobe is the best player in the league.. it’s like a rapper.. the person who gives the best performance isn’t always the best MC/lyricist.. the top 3 are dope.. i ain’t going to hate or take anything away.. but i just hope.. that kobe gets the respect as THE best player in basketball.. everyone says MJ is the best.. and i’m sure if someone asked him who he handed the torch to.. he’d say kobe.. and kobe will hand it to LBJ.. to all the ‘bron fans out there.. it’s okay to be next.. but it can’t be now.. cause bottom line.. kobe is still winning.. and winning seperates the best from the best.. the MJs from the KBs from the LBJs.. period..

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 12:57 pm
      Man… Kobe really isn’t the best player in the L… he’s a worse rebounder, passer, help defender, leader, energy player, off-the-ball player, and driver than Lebron… all he has over Lebron is his mid-range J, his three, ball handling, man on man defense… that’s it… that’s literally it…

    • Antwonomous Posted: Oct.23 at 12:58 pm
      I agree with the selection of LeBron at no. 1 (never seen anyone as dominant on both ends on a consistent, night-to-night, 48-minute basis that LeBron was last season) but when I saw it being a Lakers/Kobe guy at heart I was still kinda pissed, like “Bastards!”

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:01 pm
      Because no one considers Allen Iverson to be the greatest of all time. And no, I dont remember Michael being universally hailed as the best before he won a chip. I remember the initial awe regarding his talent wearing off and raising questions regarding his leadership skills. Can he make his teammates better? Can a scoring champ win a title? Etc. Etc. The higher you go the stricter the standard. Michael understood that and respected the process, fair or not. If LeBron doesnt win this year, those same questions are going to get louder.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:04 pm
      People really don’t get how Lebron’s passing helps him by-pass his streaky J. Crowd him on the drive with a help-man, he’s going to pass it to the open dude.
      Kobe’s got great passing skills (the way he gets the ball to the open man is spectacular sometimes) but Kobe’s court vision and peripheral vision are very lacking. There’s a lot of times a man’s totally open and Kobe doesn’t seem him. That’s why Kobe has never played any type of point. Lebron could be moved to the point and play better than 95% of the PGs in the L. This is such a vast and underrated talent that people don’t really get: Lebron’s passing skills helps keep help defenders away and forces people to play in the passing lanes, spreading room for the entire team and more room for Lebron to drive. This is, in my mind the main reason Lebron is such an amazing player.
      But ‘passing’ is a skill, and no one will EVER acknowledge that Lebron is anything more than speed and strength. God no. Just dunks and swatting blocks.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:08 pm
      Myles: that’s absolutely wrong. There were a handful of newspaper sports writers that help onto their Bird and Magic plushies and spit at you if you said what was universally recognized, that Mike was the best. They couldn’t take that truth so they wrote long, angry articles about how Bird and Magic won when they first got in the league (while leaving out the fact they came on teams with multiple HoFers each). But everywhere, especially ESPN, had crowned Mike the best.
      And NO ONE is crowning Lebron the best. That’s the thing. No one says Lebron is better than Jordan. Or Magic or Wilt. They just think he should be acknowledged AS one of the best ever, rings or not.
      Myles, do you have doubts that if Lebron played on the 80s Lakers or Celtics, he wouldn’t have won a chip with Hakeem/Cooper/Worthy/McHale/Archibald/Parish/DJ?

    • lawlow Posted: Oct.23 at 1:08 pm
      BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:10 pm
      And just to preemptively cut off your cut-and-dry response, “oh yes what do I know I only get paid to write basketball articles and watched the NBA all my life sarcasm cynical generic response number 12″

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.23 at 1:10 pm
      I like how SLAM switched it up, assigning Myles Brown write the LeBron James piece and Ryan Jones to write the Kobe piece.

    • UnRel Posted: Oct.23 at 1:11 pm
      @Jukai.. so.. they’re pretty much even.. because according to you.. they both have something the other doesn’t.. and i’m not looking at your leader/energy player ’stat’.. cause they both have that.. a lebron dunk to hype a clevland crowd gives energy.. and a timely kobe jumper to shut up a crowd takes away energy.. and as far as leading goes.. they’re both great leaders.. can’t knock any of them for that one..

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:14 pm
      Un-Rel: No.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:14 pm
      Jukai you answered your own question with “Jordan was considered one of the best” before 91 he was hailed as heir apparant to magics throne. Not the king.

    • UnRel Posted: Oct.23 at 1:16 pm
      okay… we got that cleared up..

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:18 pm
      Its not absolutely wrong. And its not only that I watched the game, but where I watched it. I grew up in Chicago. I was there. In the building as the kids say. I remember the grumbling growing louder every year after losing to Detroit. The respect went from fawning to begrudging at best. So please dont try and tell me what was being said “everywhere” in 1988 because you probably dont even remember since you werent that old, there werent many ways to gather resources from “everywhere” like there is now with the internet and more importantly you cant even give me an accurate depiction of what was going on in Chicago at the time, much less “everywhere”.

    • Izzo Posted: Oct.23 at 1:19 pm
      So are we trying to predict the future or reimagine the past? I’ve lost track.

    • Joe Posted: Oct.23 at 1:19 pm
      Kobe is still the best closer in the game.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:19 pm
      Bryan: uhhh… can you elaborate that?
      Un-Rel: I’m not bad mouthing Kobe’s leadership skills. I think he’s a little too mean spirited, not good for a young up-and-coming team, but great for vets who get it. I just think Lebron is a (slightly) better leader. I think Lebron brings more ‘energy’ by hyping guys up while Kobe just comes out and is like “let me do my thing, you do your thing.” Lebron gets the nod for both.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:20 pm
      For me its not if he’s a good passer or not its the “magic johnson passing ability” comments. He gets no where near the amount of assists magic got. Its the “rebounds like a power forward” he IS a power forward number 1 and number 2 he gets 7 per game. Its the second in dpoy award he has highlight reel blocks but since when does that justify all defense? Shawn bradley got 3 to 4 blocks a game he never got any all defense credit. Its all that and more the guy gets undue credit sometimes period. If you disagree fine but nothing is ever going to change my mind.

    • jbn74sb Posted: Oct.23 at 1:20 pm
      If only he would add a jump shot, a post game, and a title and settle this thing. Until then = Kobe.

    • Anton Posted: Oct.23 at 1:20 pm
      I just won 2 free tix to a Cavs game! Anything is possiboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole!!!

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:20 pm
      You cant state with any real certainty what the consensus was regarding Michael Jordan in 1988 any more than I can state with any real certainty what you had for dinner last night. You werent in Chicago and I wasnt at your house.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:23 pm
      Uhm…..Jukai…..you’re a 100% correct. From 1987 to 1990-91 (the first title year) Michael was widely considered the best player in the league. There is no debating that. I remember that vividly as a 20 year old not as a 12 year old who may have had other distractions in their lives at the time.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:23 pm
      Bryan: Forget it. I get what you’re saying. Yeah, you’re probably right about that.
      Myles: Hey, I’m not going to try and argue with you if you grew up in Chicago, that’d be downright dumb on my part. Do you agree that ESPN had more or less given him the crown without beating Detroit? Or are we still in disagreement about that?

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:24 pm
      Myles is wrong. Sorry. About the Michael issue, I mean. I don’t know how this is even topical.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:27 pm
      Bryan: Well, one can go really deep into the DPOY stuff, like how Cleveland had one of the best defenses in the L, how people were afraid to shoot on Lebron as people far less shots while being guarded by Lebron compared to Kobe and Wade, how Lebron lead his team defensively (the same way Paul does) more than Kobe, how Lebron guarded the best players on every team in clutch time (Kobe did too, but because of their size difference, Lebron can guard a greater range of guys), etc. etc.
      You’re right, it’s sort of BS he got DPOY and sort of BS he got first-team all defense. But it’s not solely because of highlight reel blocks.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:27 pm
      Also kevin garnett and iverson both have gotten their due of the blame for their teams sucking. When KG couldn’t get past the first round everyone had something to say then he paid his dues and won and now its at the point he’s overrated. Early on iverson got praise but as time went on and he helped his teams less and less he’s going to remembered as a great individual talent and scoring champ period. To be the best you have to beat the best mike did it shaq did it kobe did it when are we going to start holding lebron to THAT standard?

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:28 pm
      Eboy: I think Myles is talking really about the ‘on the street’ person and not the media. The media had crowned Jordan the ‘heir apparent’ (I think that’s better. The GOAT talk started when he won the championship. Best in the L happened way way way way before that). I guess people in Chicago are hard to please, you know, with that rich sport history and all.. or something..

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:30 pm
      ESPN may have given him the crown, but I know for a fact that there were more than a few skeptics within his own city. I still have a mountain of newspapers from that entire era chronicling the whole thing. Every issue of SI too. In addition to my own memories of you know, actually being there. But none of this matters. You should ask Eboy.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:30 pm
      Oh, and I’m one of those ‘Lebron d-riders’ that thinks Lebron may be the third/fourth best passer in the L. On Magic’s level? No, definitely not… but if Lebron decided to stop averaging 28-31 points, he could average 10+ assists… Magic’s level? No, that’s dumb hype, unbelievable. But don’t downplay the dude’s passing because of dumbasses like Kevin Harlan.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:31 pm
      Eboy had chicken pot pie for dinner last night. If he tells you anything else, hes wrong.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:33 pm
      Yeah well, “on the street” on NYC/NJ were I spent that time frame…..diehard Knicks fans were giving him that title…..never mind the much lesser media at the time then the oversaturated one there is today. Magazines like Sport, SI, The Sporting News and others all hailed him as the top player in the game….with an aging Larry and Magic still right there nipping at his heels. I should know….I still have those magazines in storage.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:33 pm
      In the late 80s micheal was recongnized as NEXt . Magic was being called the best to ever play at that time by a lot of people. I’m not gonna agree with that but it is what was being said by his peers and by the world around him. Once jordan won he snatched that mantle and never let it go.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:34 pm
      Myles….you’re wrong. Or buying the wrong mags back in the day….either or. I doubt you remember it better than me….but tease yourself into thinking you do if it makes you happy.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:35 pm
      Myles: There are more than a few Lebron skeptics. There are more than a few Kobe skeptics. People were ready to shank each other if you said Magic was better than Larry. Nothing is universal. Yet, I’m sure in Chicago, the MAJORITY of opinion was that Jordan was the best player in the L, one of the best players of all time, while Magic and Bird and Isiah were still playing.
      People may have been pissed, and I’m getting the feeling you were too. I read an ancient article on Si OBLITERATING Jordan for his 37 point season because his team wasn’t winning more, so he must be doing something wrong. It’s really stupid, asinine logic.
      I still remember the majority thinking Jordan was the best. Methinks you’re downplaying that.
      (also, loved your Howard write-up)

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:36 pm
      Shia….you too are incorrect. Unless you, at 4 or 5 years old (Your age at that time, no?) remembers that as clear as today.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:36 pm
      Also we can throw out anything espn said because we know they’re about as credible as E!news.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:38 pm
      Bryan: That’s really just wrong dude. Once again, by 1988, Jordan was recognized as a better player than Magic and the best player in the L and one of the best players ever. That lasted until 1991, when his first championship came, people thought “maybe he is the best player ever.”
      That’s the point I’m trying to prove.
      Because, you know, I feel that Lebron now is a better play than Kobe and the best player in the L and one of the best ever. I’m not saying he was better than Kobe at the top of Kobe’s game, the same way people would say Jordan in 1988 wasn’t better than vintage Magic.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:39 pm
      Actually….20 years ago, ESPN had a sliver or credibility ’cause they had little competition. Unless you wanted to count the George Michael Sports Machine.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:39 pm
      Bryan: Yeah, the biggest and most trusted news in sports is just a machine to prey on people’s rational thoughts. They’re the reason Nash got MVP and why Allen Iverson failed on Detroit. Horrible horrible people!!!!

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:40 pm
      I think Jukai summed it up pretty well in that 1:38 comment.

    • The Seed Posted: Oct.23 at 1:41 pm
      Let Lebron win a title and he is not the best yet,
      Dwade got better fundamental skills that Lebron and Wade
      is 1up on him. If this, what that who cares he doesn’t aveage 10 assists , so
      get off of it, lets let the Prince earn his King ship
      from Kobe the right way, beat him in the Finals or win
      it. Right now Lebron has stats but thats it, and Lebron
      is making people tired of him not media, with his dumb
      quotes, about dunking on Bush, his momma probably told
      him to say that. I talk to people and they are tired
      of him, just plain simple, I just want him to lead
      and stop being friends, but when times get bad, show true
      colors. Orlando will put them out again and everyone will
      say he has no teammates, Shaq is old, whatever.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:42 pm
      Jukai I understand what youre saying and that was the talk for a while. But when you lose to the Pistons three years in a row, it becomes harder to keep saying that every year. Like you pointed out and I did earlier the scoring thing was really big. On one hand it was phenomenal but on the other there were arguments that it was selfish and that no one could ever win a title scoring like that. But again, I dont know anything. I was just in Chicago Stadium and have the SI’s, Sports, Tribunes and Sun Times sitting right in front of me. You should ask Eboy. He caught it all. From New Jersey.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:42 pm
      Eboy you’re right I was a kid but I grew up in a house full knicks fans who were friends with knicks fans who were friends with more knicks etc and nobody gave jordan anything more than begrudging respect.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:42 pm
      I like how both me and Eboy both declared we wouldn’t be here. We’d just miss you guys too much. I’m in beautiful Vermont and I had to throw in my two cents, you know, as a Lebron slurper who realizes that maybe winning a chip isn’t what should keep you out of being -individually- the best player in the game right now.
      But hey, Lebron’s number 1, so there isn’t much argument right now. I’m just annoyed at the “F THIS KOBE’S DA BOMB” comments.

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:43 pm
      I think Myles should have gotten out of the house more as a 12 year old.

    • Izzo Posted: Oct.23 at 1:44 pm
      I was there and remember it better than all of you and it was Joe Wolf who was seen as there heir apparent. Also Eboy is currently wearing Ironman underwear, Myles is reading about Ashlee Simpson on WWTDD? and Jukai is on ESPN(dot)com and marvelling at the wondrous font of knowledge that lies therein.

    • D.R.23. 21. Posted: Oct.23 at 1:47 pm
      what can lebron do or does that d.wade doesnt do

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:47 pm
      If they had adult sizes, Izzo, I may throw them on just for you.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:47 pm
      I did get out of the house. To Bulls games. But this is silly and has nothing to do with the topic, just your own deluded sense of self importance. I hope you enjoyed your chicken pot pie.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:49 pm
      Bryan: Uh, I grew up in Boston during that time, and people were saying Jordan was the best. In Boston. I mean, people were hoping Len Bias would be as good as mother f’in Jordan! C’mon!
      Myles: It sounds like you’re bringing back up your frustration as a kid that Jordan couldn’t get over the Detroit Piston hump. That’s fine. It was hurting Jordan’s CAREER LEGACY more than his in-game legacy, y’know? Let me tell you, Lebron’s legacy took a BIG HIT losing to the Magic, even in my mind: I wonder if Lebron will ever be looked up as a top-five all time player after that Magic loss. Maybe not even top ten. But I still think he’s the best in the L, the same way people probably still realized Jordan was the best in the L with Magic still playing.
      I don’t know, maybe I’m not making my point clear, or maybe I’m arguing a worthless point here. I just don’t get why it’s impossible to crown Lebron the ‘best right now’ without crowning him ‘best ever.’
      Lebron is far off from where he needs to be.. but like, what does a chip matter to crown him the best player right now individually? Why is there a rush? Didn’t it take Mike till like, 27-28 to win his first ring?

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:53 pm
      Thats what I was trying to get at in the writeup. He can be the best right now without being the best ever. Just as he can be the best right now and not be the best eight months from now. Theres too much competition, too many intangibles and too many questions. Theres only right now. If hed win now, it would completely end the debate. But as long as he doesnt we dont know if he actually can or if can sustain a winning atmosphere. Because thats what the greatest of all time do.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:55 pm
      And theres a rush in some sense because of the situation he put himself in. He has to choose where he is going to spend the time of his career based on what happens this season. If he decides to leave, thats more of his youth being spent on creating another team around him before he could compete. Who knows how long that would take? Who knows what moves other teams will make in the meantime? The only way to settle this is to strike when the opportunity is there. Which is right now.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:56 pm
      Jordan: Won his first ring at 27
      Wilt: Won his first ring at 30
      Big O: Won his first ring at 32
      Jerry West: Won his first ring at 34
      Gary Payton: Won his first ring at 37

    • Eboy Posted: Oct.23 at 1:56 pm
      Myles Brown and self importance in the same sentence seems all too egotistical for such an even-handed writer.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 1:58 pm
      Myles: Alright. Sorry dude, didn’t get your point across. I heavily disagree with your 1:55 post though. Like, really, Lebron is 24. Some players come into the L at that age. Wait till Lebron is heading into his 30s before we start talking about urgency.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 1:59 pm
      Jordan was 28 in the 7th year of his career. Just saying.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.23 at 1:59 pm
      Jukai that was the only ring Oscar won. That was the only ring that West won. That was the only ring that Payton won. That is why with all the skill and ability he has it would be disappointing to see Bron go down that path. The standard he has set for himself is more than just one title.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 2:01 pm
      Myles and Bryan: Respectfully disagree. I’m out, kids. Have a great day y’all.

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.23 at 2:02 pm
      Lebron put himself in this spot by calling himself king james. King of what exactly? The regular season? Its not like I hate lebron I like lebron just not as much as kobe. Its not like yanks-mets for me its two great players I happen to prefer one to the other.

    • Lz - Cphfinest 3 Posted: Oct.23 at 2:07 pm
      RV I am down for Fantasy ball

    • Niio Posted: Oct.23 at 2:14 pm
      Is it just me or does it seem that LeBron has been 24 for like 3 years?

    • Jason Posted: Oct.23 at 2:17 pm
      Tmac is better than Lebron James

    • Lz - Cphfinest 3 Posted: Oct.23 at 2:18 pm
      Very well written piece Myles, appreciate it. The correct no. 1.

    • Lz - Cphfinest 3 Posted: Oct.23 at 2:20 pm
      LeBron has plenty of time to get plenty, and one thing is for sure unlike the other subject in the top 2. He will never win a ring as the sidekick.

    • ab_40 Posted: Oct.23 at 2:32 pm
      maybe lebron should’ve worked out with ‘the dream’ instead of kobe if he wants to be realy succesfull at the 4 and maybe 5 spot when Z and Shaq are injured(you know that’s gonna happen). I don’t think he’ll ever win dpoy because he is too big of a defender to slide through screens. His footwork won’t improve that much unless he takes a year off to improve that and his shooting. And I don’t think that’s gonna happen. He’s gonna do what he does best and that’s driving to the hole making crazy shots shooting 70& of less from the line and destroy the norm which is expected from the human body. leaving for new york, new jersey/brookly or miami would be a mistake.

    • jufu Posted: Oct.23 at 2:44 pm
      just saying, kobe didn’t win by himself. pau gasol anyone? and lebron james had…mo williams? pau gasol is one of the four best pf’s in the game, and i can think of ten people rite off the top of my head who are better than mo frickin’ williams

    • jufu Posted: Oct.23 at 2:48 pm
      ps, kobe didn’t make such a big splash as lebron when he won his three other ‘chips…who was on his team? oh right, shaq in his prime. lebron HAS no sidekick and the cavs STILL won 66 games. kobe, in between shaq and gasol, never won 66 with his lakers. something to keep in mind.

    • James the balla Posted: Oct.23 at 2:51 pm
      hahah NILO, I was thinking the same thing. I think he is 25.

    • James the balla Posted: Oct.23 at 2:54 pm
      Nevermind, almost 25!!

    • nbk Posted: Oct.23 at 2:55 pm
      he is 24 and pays young adult car insurance. haha there is no sense of urgency to win a championship for LeBron….there is a sense of urgency to keep lebron in cleveland eminating from Danny Ferry thats it.

    • JDH21 Posted: Oct.23 at 3:02 pm
      jufu, The Eastern Conference Vs. The west several years ago was a huge gap. Just recently has the playing ground been leveled. So those 66 wins don’t carry as much of a significance as they would this year in the east.

    • JD Posted: Oct.23 at 3:17 pm
      Damn right, Lebron is No.1

    • jason M. Posted: Oct.23 at 3:26 pm
      Kobe Bryant 4 Championships,
      Lebron James 0 Championships

    • LA Huey Posted: Oct.23 at 3:33 pm
      btw, damn good write-up.

    • theman Posted: Oct.23 at 4:11 pm
      perfect spot for him he should have the best statistical season but he still aint gonna win no ring.

    • Jacob J Posted: Oct.23 at 4:17 pm
      DWade is the best player in the league hands down. NMobody can top Mr.Everything DWade.
      This is my Top 5
      1.DWade
      2.Kobe
      3.Chris Paul
      4.LeBron
      5.Dwight Howard

    • Slam Reader Posted: Oct.23 at 4:25 pm
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!
      KOBE’s the ONE!!!

    • Andynorstrom Posted: Oct.23 at 4:33 pm
      I have a feeling this argument will be going on till lebron, kobe and dwade are all in rocking chairs. Has anyone considered that these three guys put together are JORDAN…

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.23 at 4:57 pm
      just as he shouldnt of won MVP, he shouldnt be #1…. both equally inevitable though

    • Pardeep Posted: Oct.23 at 5:07 pm
      Kobe is the best player. He could have averaged 35 and got eliminated in the confrence finals too. When he scored the most points you said he was the best but could not win without Shaq and lead a team to a title, when he won a ring you said he wasnt the best? See the last 20 seconds of any close Lakers game and you will see why he is the best in the world.

    • kadavour Posted: Oct.23 at 5:26 pm
      not finished reading the comments yet, but Jukai, EVERYTHING LeBron knows about leading a defense he learned from Kobe in the Beijing training camp. They all watched that man in practice and translated it to their own teams the following seasons. wtf dude? Kobe is the ultimate authoritarian leader. He demands respect and performance. He leads by example. Ron Artest had a tweet this summer about getting to the gym and 7 in the morning thinking he’d be the first one there. He went in to find Kobe 2 hours into his workout already. Dude leads by example. That’s the definition of leader.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.23 at 5:37 pm
      this is the joy of having faithfull students: Professor makes the statement (at 9:11 am
      comment) and then the good student assumes the dirty job of claryfying/explaining to the rest of audience.At the same time it’s funny how you make me feel really old…it seems that nobody here was actually around 20 years ago. Anyway, thanks Jukai (keeping this pace you are going for high distinctions.).

    • tealish Posted: Oct.23 at 5:45 pm
      Hm, well I guess he’s got the numbers.
      Weird how the best player in the L is one I wouldn’t trust in the final 5 minutes of an everything-on-the-line type of game.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.23 at 5:59 pm
      Im done with SLAM

    • Samcobilibob Posted: Oct.23 at 6:07 pm
      It’s obvious that Kobe Bryant is better than LeBron James. SLAM is just trying to usher in a new era of “LeBron is the best”, just like Charles Barkley always says.

    • SAB Posted: Oct.23 at 6:16 pm
      kadavour - kobe was there at 5am?! really?! or you’re exaggerating to make a point for your hero… aww, how sweet…

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.23 at 6:17 pm
      Shem: Okay, I expect you never ever to post here every again after a comment like that

    • SAB Posted: Oct.23 at 6:21 pm
      this Championship talk DOES NOT MATTER. as it stands, the Celtics are still probably the best TEAM in the East, and if they’re not injured, you’d expect them to beat the Cavs. because the Celtics have 3 great players (as well as Sheed, c’mon man, former all-star? well, y’know…). LeBron’s supporting cast is not as good but, because he’s an amazingly good basketball player, he gives them a chance of contending. Kobe is fantastic too - but look at his “sidekicks” in 2002, 2004, 2008 and last year. LeBron has never had anyone as good as that, which is why he has not been able to translate his individual brilliance into team success.

    • pablasso Posted: Oct.23 at 6:35 pm
      Well.. Derrick Rose is still too high

    • ryan Posted: Oct.23 at 7:09 pm
      This list is GARBAGE if Kobe’s not number one.If you polled all the players and gm’s he’d still be voted as the best in the game, for gods sake the president of the united states thinks he’s the best. Dont be fooled by LePoorSports ball dominate stats, look who won ring number 4 and look who couldnt even get there..

    • James the balla Posted: Oct.23 at 7:23 pm
      It is kind of funny how the comments section got to 1000 last year from me and BET basically finishing it off. This year everyone is so p1&&ed off at this list and everything. It’s not even breaking 200.

    • SAB Posted: Oct.23 at 7:27 pm
      …or, there’s not really much to debate. 8/10 people would probably say 1/ LeBron, 2/Kobe, 3/Wade, 4/CP3, 5/D12. bit of an anticlimax really. it’s only Kobe worshippers who think there’s still a debate here.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.23 at 9:01 pm
      It’s all based on Potential, sky the limit but his footwork the worst and its sickening.

    • Jack Posted: Oct.23 at 10:18 pm
      I don’t really like Kobe, and LeBron is one of my fave players, but come on, LeBron is NOT as good as Kobe. Honestly, LeBron is #3 to me. D-Wade shudda been 2.

    • dial up Posted: Oct.23 at 11:19 pm
      lebron shoulda been #4

    • Omnixyience (Philippines) Posted: Oct.24 at 12:20 am
      “Rankings are based solely on projected 09-10 performance. But it’s not always easy to separate the three. Anything a player is deemed capable of doing in the future is based entirely on what they’ve done in the past. Being the best is not a proclamation, it’s a journey and destination.” STUPID! THINK BEFORE YOU RIGHT! IF YOUR REALLY A PROFESSIONAL AUTHOR, WHERE DOES LEBRON JOURNEY AND DESTINATION ENDS? SHUT YOUR CRAP! YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW! JUST BECAUSE THEY ACQUIRE A LOT OF CALIBER KEY PLAYERS LIKE SHAQ MEANS HIS HIGHER THAN KOBE. JUST SAY IT, SAY IT AS SIMPLE AS LEBRON’S STATS IS JUST HIGHER THAN KOBE AND THAT’S IT, THAT’S THE ONLY THING LEBRON IS SUPERIOR THAN KOBE, BUT SEE KOBE’S ALREADY DONE THAT IN HIS CAREER REMEMBER 04-06 WHEN HE MANAGED TO BURST HIS CAREER STATS. AND THAT’S LEBRON BEEN DOING. STUPID AUTHOR

    • Anton Posted: Oct.24 at 12:33 am
      LeBron’s numbers last season are much more impressive than Oscar Robertson’s triple double average in 1961-1962. What people forget is that, in a league that ran endlessly in the early days, Robertson’s Cincinnati Royals actually averaged about 36 more possessions per game than the Cavaliers last season. Check his $tats: 28.4, 7.6, 7.3 is even more impressive in today’s era.

    • kevin moore Posted: Oct.24 at 12:45 am
      booooooo worst slam article ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • jayweezy Posted: Oct.24 at 1:43 am
      people people people…. look past the stats they can be misleading…. look past the “sportscenter highlights” they can be misleading… actually watch a lakers game and then watch a cavs game for ONCE in your life and its Very clear who is the better, polished, smarter, and more fundamental player which no1 will deny its kobe. lebron is nothing but athleticism and highlights. the boy can put up numbers but that doesnt mean hes the best. KB24 is still #1

    • Vish Posted: Oct.24 at 1:53 am
      your opening and closing comments contradict each other…if he is the best player NOW then he should have won by now. IF he wins the ring this year, it would be at the end of the year, not NOW! Kobe is and will remain #1 till Lebron can win a ring. Simple.

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.24 at 2:46 am
      there is no answer. it is subjective…c : arising out of or identified by means of one’s perception of one’s own states and processes. THERE IS NO ANSWER…you are all wasting your breath arguing with a composite list of the best NBA players as subjectively picked by the SLAM cast of characters. you, nor I, will EVER answer Kobe vs. Lebron. they’re both great. lets marinate on that (even though I cant stand either of them cats…I’m an old-man, crotchety MJ lover, so I can sit up high on my throne and say they will never be as good as Jordan, just like my dad’s friends told me he’d never be as good as Wilt, or Russell, or West…)

    • Jackie Moon Posted: Oct.24 at 3:37 am
      Lebron is a good player.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 4:39 am
      top-10 plays of the first week featuring Rubio and a nasty block at no 6..
      http://euroleague.infrontams.tv/index.php?id=1021

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 4:53 am
      OH MY GOD!! Kobe is so much better than lebronze.. Oh my GOD there is no way K*be is better than the king! How can someone who has not won a ring be the best in the league? Lebronze sucks, everyone needs to get off his junk. K*be is overrated and selfish, he sucks. You would think that will all of these defensive comments on here that family members must be posting all of these comments. Who gives a crap which one is better. They are both great. Both will be in the hall of fame some day. Both have legitimate shots at winning a ring this year (neither one will win though since my Blazers are going to win it all).

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 8:08 am
      2josh……:you win nothing with Roy as your best player.

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 8:17 am
      I would also like to explain something to those of you who are not intelligent enough to grasp this concept. Winning a championship is a TEAM accomplishment and has absolutely nothing to do with ranking individual players. So using the whole “Kobe has 4 rings and Lebron does not have any” argument is just dumb. Kobe has 4 rings because he was on the best TEAM for those 4 years, and not because he was/is the best player. I would also like say that MVP is the worst award, ever. It is a popularity contest and means nothing. The same goes for the starters in the All Star games.

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 8:20 am
      PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 8:08 am
      2josh……:you win nothing with Roy as your best player. So the Blazers cant win with a top ten player as there best player? explain the Celtics latest championship then…. never mind I will explain it for you. Great TEAM > Great player.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 8:35 am
      ahahaha this is comment madness. but seriously, i feel most pro lebron #1 are just following media hype, only a few have offered valid defenses of LBJ > KB. Personally, Lebron is in your-face violent, perhaps not violent; physical, because of his stature and build, but take that away from his game and Kobe would run rings around him. Okay, so a lot of lebrons game is built around aggression so of course there would be a deficit when comparing the two like that, but even still, my point is that that style is the predominant facet of his game, whereas kobe has so much more to offer!!! he can be physical, he can do the finesse moves, he can control the tempo without finishing the plays himself, and most importantly he makes everyone on his team alot better. Kobe’s been in the game so much longer, of course hes got knowhow LBJ doesnt. What is a scary thought is if Lebron is this good now, how demonic may he be when he is Kobe’s current age? I genuinely believe this will have been Kobe’s last year to be ranked #1 (because he is) and he wasn’t given it, no kudos SLAM. I’m not even a Kobe fan, cant stand the Lakers, except for Odom. Ultimately, the top 3, perhaps the top 5, could all be listed as subjective as we probably all look for different things in a player

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 8:50 am
      @josh……..:1)in reality Roy ain’t even top-15.
      2)those Celtics had 2 players(3 in my opinion) clearly better than Roy.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.24 at 9:28 am
      People who still think Lebron’s game is built purely around athleticism really don’t know anything about basketball. I’m pretty shocked about this, but I guess I shouldn’t be.

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 10:15 am
      PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 8:50 am
      @josh……..:1)in reality Roy ain’t even top-15.
      2)those Celtics had 2 players(3 in my opinion) clearly better than Roy. Roy was on the second team all nba…. not even top 15 isnt reality it is your dumb@ss opinion. Roy Should have been ranked around 7 or 8. You need to have actually watched a person play before you make an assessment. Obviously you have not seen him play, or you would not make dumb comments like you did. Roy is better Allen, pierce and kg. I dont get how you could actually believe that a team with Roy as the best player cant win.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 10:28 am
      @josh……: i don’t “believe” it can’t win. I KNOW it.There is a big diference between belief and knowledge.Anyway in a few years you will also know.(Unless Oden becomes the second coming of Ewing….)

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 10:33 am
      WOW!!! you can tell the future!! You must be loaded! Knowledge of the future is an impressive gift. Dumb@ss

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 10:35 am
      one of the youngest teams in the league are a top 4 team in the west… but they dont have a chance of winning…ever.. pull your head out of your @ss

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 10:36 am
      @Jukai…..:you shouldn’t be. Remember where you are.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 10:41 am
      @josh……:you need a lot of work and i got not time to start from scratch….i’let Jukai instruct you if he is in the mood.

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 10:45 am
      A lot of work? You mean, I dont have east coast blinders on where you are only informed about players that show up on espn? Your are right!!

    • josh Posted: Oct.24 at 10:47 am
      Your blind assumptions amuse me

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 12:41 pm
      @ Jukai, i can only presume your comment was aimed at me as there wasnt a solitary reference to lebrons athleticism or build since your last post, which is dozens of posts up. If that last comment is aimed at me, and lets be honest, it almost certainly is considering your last post was yesterday, then this is for you; A little excerpt from what i wrote: “that [physical] style is the predominant facet of his [LBJs] game”.. So, look up the definition of facet, and the definition of predominant and lets leave it at that, firstly because snide little comments about not knowing ‘anything about basketball’ is kindergarten sh!t and i don’t even like biggin kobe up

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 12:46 pm
      @ Panagiotis, dude I completely and vehemently disagree with Roy’s ranking this year. Completely disagreed. however, to say he isnt top 15 in these rankings after last season, and thats even disgregarding the potential that surrounds the trailblazers this season, is quite simply stupid. 23/5/5/1 on nearly .500 shooting with limited turnovers and fouls isnt top 15?!? You listed a 23year old Serbian C, who I have seen on international duty and isnt remotely stellar, over all but 3 of the NBA’s PF’s & C’s…. your ranking of players is somewhat off to say the least

    • JP Posted: Oct.24 at 12:57 pm
      What a lack of respect for Kobe and his 4 rings !!!! Don’t know why you didn’t like Kobe from the start but to continue deeper and deeper in your mistake is just ridiculous.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 1:02 pm
      @360vue….:Deron,Paul,Parker,Billups,kobe,lebron,Manu,WADE,durant,melo,pierce,bosh,duncan,kg,dirk,pau,…..16(talking about NBA only).And i didn’t include Calderon(who is also top-15) to avoid the noise……

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.24 at 1:09 pm
      @ Anton: That number is very misleading. You can’t just say the Royals had more possessions so 28 7 7 is better than 30 11 10 (or w/e it was). You have to take into account the fact that Robertson was way shorter than LeBron and actually played the point guard spot; so him grabbing 10 rebounds a game is VERY impressive. Plus, a triple double is a triple double, and there’s a reason the Big O is the only player to ever average one. Now, if LeBron got 30 10 10 then you could maybe make the argument that its more impressive than Oscar’s. But right now, LeBron’s numbers are not more impressive.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.24 at 2:02 pm
      @ the greek dude: siskauskas top player in the world? HAAA. Im a raps fan and im telling you hes not even close to top 15 best players. Manu Ginobli is good but not top 25. The only european players that i can call stars are pau gasol and dirk nowitzki.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.24 at 2:02 pm
      raps fan and telling you calderon isnt top 15 players in the world* my bad

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.24 at 2:28 pm
      When you break it down, Kobe is better than LeBron. Forget the stats for a second, the only thing I would say LeBron is better at is passing. He’s also probably a better leader. But that’s not to say Kobe isn’t good at these two areas of the game; he’s a great passer and a great leader, too.
      Look at the man-to-man defense.
      Then look at Kobe’s offensive game. The midrange J, the 3 ball, the cuts to the rim, the splits through double/triple teams, the passing out of traps to the open man, the spin move, the crossover, step back, fadeaway,the overall ballhandling, even the POST-UP, etc… He’s just way more polished than LeBron. Now, LeBron will be the best player eventually, but right now Kobe is just simply better.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.24 at 2:28 pm
      Sorry, I forgot rebounding. LeBron’s size automatically make him a better rebounder.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 2:29 pm
      @Pan, id say Billups is invaluable to pretty much any franchise in the L (minus Utah and NO) as he is in my view he is the ultimate floor general thats active but I wouldn’t say he is top 15 at this stage in his career. He’s got a sweet shot, excellent passing and court vision, invaluable leadership but I don’t know if that would put him above the abundance of quality SG/SFs the NBA possesses. Out of interest, who from the outside of the NBA would you add to that list? Im shocked that Howard doesn’t even make your top ten? Come on!?!? For all his drawbacks, the man is indominatable inside whilst his D needs no credit

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 2:32 pm
      And i’ve spotted Manu in your top 15, hmmm I would beg to differ. Hes bloody good, but not that good. top 15 is the upper echelon, the creme de la creme, barring some of those cruel injuries he suffered he could of been up there, but the fact remains he isnt.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 2:39 pm
      1) i never said that somebody being (or becoming) a raptors fun instantly inherits bball knowledge/understanding,this is plain ridiculous…..i mean,if i ever wrote such a thing please present it to me (i am getting old and maybe forget). 2) i think you said that you are done with SLAM (or you are just a member of the Jukai fraternity…?? )

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.24 at 2:41 pm
      @Teddy-the-bear. Nice breakdown, but leadership? Really? Kobe is the complete professional nowadays, first to training, one of if not the last to leave, takes no nonsense on the court etc. Lebron is no doubt a huge inspiration to the cavs but offcourt hes got to be a circus distraction, most of it through little fault of his own except for his exceptional ability, but he doesnt exactly try to limit such events does he? A film release and all its contractual obligations it forces upon him in preseason?!?!? Come on, thats not being a sports professional, thats being an entrepreneur.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 2:49 pm
      @360vue…..:Manu is top-5 E-A-S-I-L-Y. Basically the only guy over him is Kobe(aka: manu with freakish athletisism). Roy(&Howard) ARE top-15 for NBA regular season/videofantasy leagues. It’s just that i am speaking about NBA finals potential value. For example Howard is definitely top-5 NBA regular season but he was the 5th best player in last years final (KOBE,PAU,HEDO,LAMAR,HOWARD in that order). top-20 in the world outside the NBA are definitely Siskauskas nad Diamantidis. For other names check my lists of top-10’s at every position world wide at the Wade post.

    • Peter B Posted: Oct.24 at 2:59 pm
      Sorry Laker fans but owning four rings doesn’t make you the best player just one of the most successful. Owning the most refined game, having no skill weaknesses and still having the nerve to spend summers adding new elements to your game makes you the best player. Lebron’s game needs more refinement before I can consider him the best because my criteria is based on a combination of skill and atheleticism. Kobe is the Master, Lebron is still the student that will eventually surpass his master but that day hasn’t come yet.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 3:03 pm
      Peter B…..:that day will most propably never come. With the choice Lebron has made(became a bodybuilder, SHAQ of forwards as somebody corectly said) it is quite difficult to became a really good shooter.

    • Jacob J Posted: Oct.24 at 3:33 pm
      SLAM didnt make a very good top 50 list this year espacially when Lamar Odom is on it over Tayshaun Prince and Rondo is over Rip Hamilton. Not a very good list this year.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.24 at 4:46 pm
      Manu is no longer top 5 Spanny. C’mon. Dude’s old and injured, and those injuries have slowed him down a lot.
      Shem should not be posting, he’s done with slam.
      There are a lot more facets of the game that Lebron is better than Kobe at. Passing, rebounding, driving on the inside, seeing passing lanes, help double-team defense, weakside blocks, commanding leadership, controlling tempo, running the fast break, etc. etc.
      The only thing Kobe does better than Lebron is offense. He doesn’t really play man-to-man defense anymore to ‘preserve his body for playoff time’ and this was self admitted. So I don’t really get where all this talk is coming from, once again.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.24 at 5:03 pm
      @Jukai…..:last time i checked(summer 2008) he was top-5 (always talking about “life or d*ath” games) as always(since 2001). I will wait till i see him BOTH healthy AND unable to deliver at that level and ONLY THEN i will drop him from top-5 (top-4 actually along Kobe and Dirk & Siskauskas but anyway…) 2) take it easy with Shem you have made that kind of statements many times in the past and (rightfully in my opinion) you didn’t kept them….

    • Jalepino Sausage Posted: Oct.24 at 5:29 pm
      Finally !! all you Kobesexuals BE QUIET !!!!!!!

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.24 at 7:40 pm
      “Jack Posted: Oct.23 at 10:18 pm
      I don’t really like Kobe, and LeBron is one of my fave players, but come on, LeBron is NOT as good as Kobe. Honestly, LeBron is #3 to me. D-Wade shudda been 2.’ BONG!!!!!!!!!!

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.24 at 10:21 pm
      @Panagiotis: If Brandon Roy’s name was Brandonis Roypoulos he would be in your top 10, correct? Or if his skin was a bit lighter and his game a bit more focused on strictly jump-shooting, and he was born overseas? Or maybe if he simply played in an overseas league you could tout his ability and rank him in one of your various “Top 15 In The World…” lists to show everybody how smart you compared to all of us unenlightened jackasses who only know good basketball players from video games and dunk videos, right? I read these posts constantly and you are the one constant in that you come off as a pretentious know-it-all. You dumb down everyone who doesn’t agree with you, or touts someone who is athletically supreme. Luckily we here in the states, and SLAM readers in general, have NBA Live and NBA2K. If not, we’d not even approach your all-worldly knowledge of basketball. Thank you, oh enlightened one.

    • tealish Posted: Oct.24 at 11:04 pm
      @The D Train:
      Haha man, you gotta understand one thing: PANAGIOTIS says a lot of things that he doesn’t mean. Seriously, his whole thing is hyperbolizing to drive home a point. If you care enough to read his comments, you got to look past the exaggerations because underneath them, he does bring up some good points on basketball. Believe it or not, the guy knows the game pretty well. I used to dismiss him completely because of crazy sh*t he’ll throw out (for ex: Allen Iverson is (one of) the worst basketball player of all time), but you get past it when you realize he doesn’t really believe that. And trust me, he’ll say he stands by that comment but really, I know he doesn’t mean it.
      Or you can just not read his comments at all, lol…

    • KH10 Posted: Oct.24 at 11:51 pm
      even this article points out the ways that lebron is NOT the best player in the league, yes he has the potential to be the best (and one of the best of all time) but he is not there yet. Kobe bryant is.

    • Miguel Posted: Oct.25 at 12:27 am
      I think we all need to calm down.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.25 at 1:00 am
      @ 360vue: You know what? I never even believed that in the first place. So actually, Kobe is a better leader than LeBron. Or at the very least, he’s no worse a leader than LeBron. There we go.
      There’s a difference between being a really popular teammate, and an actually successful leader. Kobe’s leadership brings out the best in his teammates and it doesn’t matter how well-liked he is. LeBron’s teammates may like him a lot, but as we’ve seen, guys like Mo Williams don’t step up in the playoffs for him.
      Kobe is a better leader than LeBron. I’m not saying teammate. I’m saying leader.

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.25 at 3:09 am
      @tealish: Well, sh!t man, if i knew that his hyperbolic statements were to drive home a point, then why should I complain? If repeated over-exaggeration to make a point is an intelligent way to make ones point, then I should definitely apologize for taking him to task. I guess I just thought his played-out rants as “Insert previous Greek name here” and now “Insert current Greek name here” were more insidious than anything else. I guess I misinterpreted his hyperbolic statements.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.25 at 4:08 am
      @D Train……:NOTHING of what you write was neeeded to Colangelo & Mike Krzyzewski to have EXACTLY the same opinion with me (he was not on last years’ team. So he wasn’t considered top-12 for TOP-LEVEL competition and there must be 3 players in the rest of the world over him….or you say that there are not…?? ) So,take a cold bath and face reality : W-A-K-E U-P!!!!!!(i know the reasons you propably cannot,it is really difficult,so no hard feelings)….or just follow tealish & MINE advise(i have said it reapetedly in the past)and “just not read my comments at all” since by now you know their general philosophy. It is so simple.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.25 at 4:10 am
      “There’s a difference between being a really popular teammate, and an actually successful leader.” EXACTLY.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.25 at 7:51 am
      “The only thing Kobe does better than Lebron is offense. He doesn’t really play man-to-man defense anymore to ‘preserve his body for playoff time’ and this was self admitted. So I don’t really get where all this talk is coming from, once again.”
      ———- @ Jukai, there is a chasm of difference between optionally limiting defensive effort and not being able to play D at all. By your self admission, Kobe has better O. If this season was the last of the NBA, and Kobe decided to go full at it, his D would be at LEAST par with Lebrons even he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of highreels LBJ does. And I can already tell your a somewhat bias on such on this whole issue , but lets get some more trustworthy opinions of Kobe’s defensive effort; D-Wade publicly admitted in early 2008 if you wanna play D ‘you learn from Kobe’, and Phil Jackson says Kobe’s D is ’standout’, both of whom are far more valid sources than either yours or mine opinions… you know Kobe is doing something right. He is a 7 times All NBA 1st Team, as recently as last year (although Wade was best SG at D in ‘09 in my opinion) making it four years running. Such teams are voted for by the coches ffs! Both are ranked by professionals, as being the best in their position at D. So…. highly comparable D, even if theres not many similarities in style, whilst Kobe has better O, as you admitted. Kobe is a better leader, and he brings the best out his team (which LBJ certainly doesnt, he can step his game up all other level but he cant induce his teammates to do so). Where’s the remotest bit of logic in your argument that LBJ is better? He gets more media coverage over Kobe and thats most of what hes got over Bryant.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.25 at 7:53 am
      defensive 1st team*

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.25 at 8:27 am
      if not for the col*rado incident(the NBA as a business was FORCED by the rules to find someone “safer”, that why all this Lebron brain-washing), now we wouldn’t spend so much time analyzing the O-B-V-I-O-U-S(KOBE is C-L-E-A-R-L-Y the best in the world since 2005) but instead we would discuss if KOBE is equal or better than M.J. At the same time this would have been equally st*pid in my opinion since after what happened in the 2008 finals(not that he lost, the fact that he was unable to at least “do his thing”) i will not put him at the same level with M.J,MAGIC on BIRD even if he goes on and win the next 4 championships…(with the best “by far” frontline in the NBA led by the most complete bigman in the world by the way….).I remember calling some older friends in Greece that grew up with Dr.J and M.J and that i used to tease them that Kobe is better(i didn’t really believed it but i did it for the sake of the debate….you could make a semi-believable case based on his superior outstanding shooting and ball handling anyway, so it was not that difficult to give them some doubts… ) and tell them (after the 2008 finals) that it is OVER for EVER….they were surprised and at the same time satisfied. It was like telling all of you that “Yes, A.I. is on the same level with Manu !!!” (don’t hold your breath on the last one though….)

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.25 at 9:28 am
      Basketball is all about ABILTY, say it with me A-BIL-I-TY. Let me put the disclaimer out there, I dont like Kobe all that much. BOOM, I dont care that he doesnt play consisent defense for 48 minutes or 82 games, who cares, but he has the abilty to do it, i dont care that he doesnt averager 7 boards a game, but he has an ability to do it. FEEL ME, Nothing is out of reach if he want to do it. He and D.Wade have most abilty in the League: offensive, defense, and intaglibes. Those three criteria are the only thing we should be judging on. People keep screaming bout his defense but no one goes at him, because he built a reputation on that side of the ball. when you do that dude are scared to go at him, ITS called a REP, when have one of those it does most of the work for you.

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.25 at 9:57 am
      Basketball is about wins being a competition and all. Check who has more wins overall season+playoffs since 2003/04. And everyone who puts wade above LeBron OR Kobe has an immediately irrelovent opinion. The disadvantages inherent in wades game absent from lebron and kobes are obvious to anyone who watches more then 10 games a season

    • ka Posted: Oct.25 at 4:21 pm
      Brandonis Roypoulos lol

    • don Posted: Oct.25 at 4:26 pm
      Lebron is #1. yeah!

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.25 at 5:16 pm
      @Da-Hood, da truth
      @The D-Train, ‘Brandonis Roypoulos’ is one THE funniest things I have read on slams comments in a good week or two
      @Nbk, what a needless diss of Wade… The only disadvantage I see in Wade’s game is that if he keeps throwing himself around the court like that then hes going to be in a wheelchair by the time he’s retired. Otherwise, its his fairly average 3pt shooting, which is much overhyped, or de-hyped. Throwing up 3 treys a game and getting one in isnt so bad, and changing your patterns keeps players on there toes so they dont read you like a book. And give the guy some slack, I don’t think he ever shot more than 100 treys in a season till the one gone by, which barely averages out as one a game. People used to say Jordan had sh!tty outside range, and he did, and look what happened there, worked hard and doubled his %s whilst becoming regarded as one of, if not, the greatest to have played the game… If Wade has any other glaring weaknesses I would genuinely love to hear them, because I don’t even you’ve watched Wade for more than a few games.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.25 at 5:25 pm
      The only disadvantage Wade has on LeBron and Kobe is his height. He’s 6-3, barely 6-4 and he plays incredible basketball.

    • Steve Posted: Oct.25 at 5:48 pm
      Best write up of the list. For me Kobe will be number one for 09-10, but when it is all said and done people will be talking about LBJ and MJ as the best ever, and Kobe and Wade won’t be a part of that conversation. If LBJ can develop a mean streak then look out. Right now though he is still too much of a nice guy … I get the feeling he wants to beat everyone, but he hasn’t quite reached the point where he wants to destroy them, break their will, make them nevew want to play him again. Kobe has that, and that combined with his game (which in isolated comparison is slightly inferior to LBJ’s, let’s be honest) makes him number one.

    • KEVIN45 Posted: Oct.25 at 7:01 pm
      LEBRON#1 IS THE DUMBEST THING I’VE EVER HEARD FROM SLAM!I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WHERE BETTER THAN THAT.KOBE 5 RINGS.WATCH!

    • nbk Posted: Oct.25 at 7:14 pm
      Wades weaknesses that are absent from LeBron and Kobe’s game stem from defense. Wade gambles in about 1 out of every 4 or 5 possessions. His 2 steals and 1.5 blocks also translate to about 10 points a game off of backdoor cuts, or overgambling which results in a wide open three. He floats on defense like Kobe when hes gaurding Rajon Rondo, except Wade does it against EVERYONE. There are reasons that dwyane wades teams don’t win as many games as Kobe and LeBron did when they were on similarly talented teams.

    • The Seed Posted: Oct.25 at 7:20 pm
      Lebron was put as number one, to make sure he is on future Slam magazines.
      Clearly he is not what yall think he is.
      LBJ has no rings and Wade has one but fools like Steve think
      he will reach MJ ok. First get Wade and to be honest his
      game is lacking, Lebron dribbling and jumper will always be suspect, that’s
      why he trys to barrel people over or jump into them. Watch when he plays a real
      defender he brings the ball up and lead with his shoulder to dribble, and his jumper is
      built on hope it goes in. I think he is behind KObe and truly behind Wade in overall skills,
      but thats just my opinino. Wade is the real gem, get him and Bosh for 10 and forget
      about Lebron. People will see his game for what it is and to be some great athelticly
      were is all of his highlight dunks, WHERE are they, I am tired of his one hand dunk and
      his hype has driven alot of people over board on him. Lets like the King they say, win
      a ring. The old NBA made dudes prove themself, now people make excuses for who you do or do not play with
      a la Steve Nash-2 time MVP. Lebron has gotten the hype, but STATS are great, build them
      up, but if he never wins a ring or just one, wouldn’t his career be a failure. Lets wait and see
      because like I said before. Orland is not going anywhere and Howard has a vendetta against
      a dude who can’t shake his hand. Here is LBJ career, ONe playoff highlight shot-still lost series,
      25 point outburst against Detroit, got swept in Finals, Crazy stats for the last 4 to 5 years-no rings.
      Will get more MVP’s because he is the new Steve Nash, these dumb sports writers, might give
      him a Defensive Player of the year for blocks from behind. but can’t guard straight up, but he
      is seen as number one NBA player. WADE will have a better career than him and just like Kobe in his 35 ppg year he
      should have got MVP, really WADE played with less a la Steve Nash and should have gotten MVP, Wade numbers was great
      even if it was a scrub team, still made playoff. Remember its MVP, not best team /best player MVP. Kobe will just have to
      settle for the MVP trophy of the FINALS again.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.25 at 7:39 pm
      ^^^ Dude, as much as people hype LeBron, you are just as irrational with your criticism.

    • Steve Posted: Oct.25 at 8:28 pm
      lol @ the seed. Bury your head in the sand all you want, but LBJ will have one of the most compelling careers from a statistical aspect ever. Rings are important, but people consistently rank Wilt over Bill Russell. If you don’t more power to you, if you do then everything you wrote above has zero credibility. Like I said, Kobe is number 1 for me next season, but long term, LBJ will be considered better even if he only gets one or two rings compared to 4/5 for Kobe.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.25 at 9:11 pm
      @Nbk Posted: Oct.25 at 9:57 am
      Basketball is about wins being a competition and all. Check who has more wins overall season+playoffs since 2003/04. And everyone who puts wade above LeBron OR Kobe has an immediately irrelovent opinion. The disadvantages inherent in wades game absent from lebron and kobes are obvious to anyone who watches more then 10 games a season Wow, what are you ten? Games must come on during your bedtime or your on that dust juice, Ball is a team game, Wade played some burgers last year and got to the playoffs, D. Wade is so much more complete than Bron is all size and power. Wade has actual skill beyond his phsyical gift, would we really be talkin bout Bron if he was 6′4, idk, he would prolly be just another dude in the league. When I watch Bron he has to work hard for every bucket(like dribbling 100 times at the top of the key). Arent the Great one supposed to make this game look easy. Bron doesnt Wade does it with less effort. Since wanna bring up winning, BoyBoy got a chip under his belt. Dont pull shaq out ya ass either, He singlehandly killed the Mavs, I know there the Mavs but a Chip is a Chip. I dont care if you won 30 games during the season, if you win the chip you still go down as a Champ. Young ass prolly don’t spit about Basketball talkin bout people opinions are irrelevant. P.S. Regular season wins dont mean spit except for standing purpose, How many 50 and 60 win teams didnt win the chip that current year? Oops, Bron was just on one! Out.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.25 at 9:12 pm
      I love ME some ME!

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.25 at 9:15 pm
      And Yea, Bronny is my dude.

    • big z Posted: Oct.25 at 9:28 pm
      i hate people who hate anyone in the NBA.
      Stop hating on Lebron & Kobe they r both phenomenal players
      Stop with all the HATE

    • tealish Posted: Oct.26 at 1:37 am
      @Big z: Sometimes it’s not about HATE… and more about… well, analyzing their respective games and forming an opinion on who you think is better. No opinion is necessary wrong per se, but in this case, one is obviously more correct.

    • Rog123 Posted: Oct.26 at 8:38 am
      If u block someone from behind, that is still defense. Its hustle defense. People make it seem like that is a bad thing to do

    • Ryan Jones Posted: Oct.26 at 10:25 am
      This article would’ve been better if it had more quotes in it.

    • Cizzo Posted: Oct.26 at 11:22 am
      Until LB23 win a ring……………….Kobe24#1!!!!

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.26 at 11:36 am
      @Ryan Jones…..: i don’t think so, most everybody got your point(either they liked it or not…).

    • boogster Posted: Oct.26 at 1:55 pm
      @ big z without hating there`s no loving, you gotta pick your side and stand your ground, don`t live in limbo

    • boogster Posted: Oct.26 at 1:57 pm
      KOBE, teach Bron another lesson, play with Shaq you`re loser

    • OGSOLE80 Posted: Oct.26 at 2:06 pm
      No knock on Lebron because he is great, Pound for pound for his size and athletic abilities… But to be number one without the credentials that Kobe and others have, thats tough.
      I think right now, Lebron is way more popular… But from a skills stand point, Lebron has a lot of catching up to do. (Not his fault because he is young) We know Lebron is putting in the work, but there are other guys outside of Kobe, that have better skills then LBJ.
      I think this is based on upside, which yes… LBJ has it on lock until Durant gains weight. But once KD puts the weight on, he will be in the top. KD is 2 inches taller then LBJ, and his over skills are way better the Lebron with only 3 years in.
      We cant put KD in the TOP 1 or 2, but I used him to show the value of Kobe… Kobe skills are on another level then anyone who has ever played the game… MJ too!!
      Sorry I know those are tough words, but even Mike lacked all of the skills Kobe has. MJ had an iron heart matched by nobody, and that got him to greatness… Along with a pair of Billion dollar bear claw sized hands.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: Oct.26 at 4:46 pm
      Good Lord I’m late.. The only thing that seperates Lebron and Kobe at this point to me is Kobe’s vast amount of experience… and his knowledge of how to win. Lebron puts up massive numbers, with hopes that it will be enough to beat the other teams. Kobe usually puts up what is necessary to win. I doubt Kobe is going to ever put up MVP numbers again; but now he won’t have to. Lebron is the new Mike, because like Mike Lebron is something that we simply haven’t seen before. We’ve seen Kobe’s entire game 10 to 15 years prior with MJ. If Kobe wasn’t so odd personality wise I’m sure it would be a tougher argument. LOL, and co-sign The Seed on the media giant that is shoving Lebron down our throats. I’ve seen pregame commercials were they show Lebron highlights, and male Lions running across the Sarangetti!! And then the Cavs lose by 15.

    • JP Posted: Oct.26 at 5:10 pm
      the only thing Lebron does better than Kobe and everyplayer in the league is travelling on a fast break.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.26 at 5:11 pm
      Callin Dwayne Wade better then LeBron because of a title he won 3 years ago with a still somewhat dominant shaq is pathetic. I don’t care if his team was last place, he won a title once. Once again by your crappy logic, Darko Milicic has had a more successful career then LeBron James.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: Oct.26 at 5:20 pm
      nbk, Shaq was still somewhat dominant? I disagree.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.26 at 5:25 pm
      in 2006? shaq averaged 20 and 9.6. pretty f’n dominant when you are still being doubled teamed every time you touch the ball on the block

    • nbk Posted: Oct.26 at 6:17 pm
      and deoes anyone realize passing is a skill? as well as protecting the ball? oh and defense? because saying kevin durant is more skilled then lebron james is like saying Scoring is the only skill in basketball

    • ab_40 Posted: Oct.26 at 8:31 pm
      to here the word kobe including this is written 209 times haha. there was a lot less of a buzz around the list this year

    • Kyle Posted: Oct.26 at 10:51 pm
      “But He has to win…. now” Well, that’s good to hear because it’s not happening. So don’t worry, Kobe will be back at the 1 spot next year guys after he wins his 5th.

    • drich_31 Posted: Oct.27 at 12:23 am
      You can’t go wrong with 1,2 and 3. You can put Wade and LBJ on L.A. and they’ll win it all too.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 12:37 am
      @NBK I didnt bring winning, you did, i was making your point for you. This your quote “Basketball is about wins being a competition and all. Check who has more wins overall season+playoffs since 2003/04″

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 12:40 am
      To be honest, i dont care about any of these ni66as anyway. Im waiting for Gilchrist to go to the League.

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 3:14 am
      Did you check who has the most WINS? In the end basketball is a game - 1 game at a time - compile playoff + regular season games since 03-04. I didn’t say check who has been on the best team. Like anyone would say it takes luck to win a title. Judges dudes on titles after 5 years w/ 30 teams is a cop out. Especially considering it is more about management then 1 dude.

    • rikson Posted: Oct.27 at 5:00 am
      A real basketball player = No2 / A hyped athletic freak = No1 -> Thats whats wrong with the league!………. And I repeat: How can somebody be considered the best in the game, if he has no fundamentals like a J?! hmm…

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 12:48 pm
      Since when did we start judging players for individual wins playoffs or regular season, players are judged by WINNING not wins , thats left for the Coaches to be judged by wins, players are judged by chips. I don’t make my case by bring up Chips, im strictly looking them as Ball Players, you wanna bring in odd stats to hide the fact one individual(D.WADE) is more complete than the other(Bron). This the last time I’m addressing you, cuz u making assinine and contradictory statements like this ‘Judges dudes on titles after 5 years w/ 30 teams is a cop out” And judging them individual wins isnt? How U sound, Money? I’m over this!

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 1:25 pm
      Wow your an idiot

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.27 at 2:41 pm
      1/2/3 are completely interchangeable depending upon perspective and interpretation. Although, currently, anyone saying Bron is a more complete player than Kobe or DWade are jumpin the gun, his ceiling probably means he will go, if not far, definitely beyond both. However at this time some of his fundamentals are really quite sucky in comparison, but hes still much younger than both so relax (1,000 days less than Flash) and of course some areas need work to match the other two because he’s been able to muscle his way around the court since he came from HS which is unbelievable, and almost unheard of! Its only natural he hasnt worked on some areas as much. Although you can’t really do it as its intrinsic to his game, try and take away Lebron’s unique physical attributes and compare the remainder of his game to the other two, and to get to the standard that they (Kobe/Wade) have to offer in most departments and its utterly apparent LBJ still needs some work. Meanwhile… Brons attributes that are stellar added to his unique athletical gifts all paper over the cracks of what he isnt much good at. All the while, the news media hype, supplemeneted by LBJs personal PR company (LRMR Management), Nike’s promotions team and NBA’s own efforts (MVP? You ARE having a joke) try to subdue you into accepting that his game is impeccable and near-flawless but it really isnt. Oh and some people need to relax a bit, its good to debate but some need to stop making all of this personal.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 2:44 pm
      Good Retort. rikson Posted: Oct.27 at 5:00 am
      A real basketball player = No2 / A hyped athletic freak = No1 -> Thats whats wrong with the league!………. And I repeat: How can somebody be considered the best in the game, if he has no fundamentals like a J?! hmm… BONG!

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 2:51 pm
      My bad,NBK, I just realized ur right.

    • Julian McFly Posted: Oct.27 at 3:42 pm
      LeBron can have it when Kobe retires, until then he isn’t the best player as long as KB is lacing em up and knockin em down. PERIOD!

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 4:26 pm
      Al attributes that give a player an advantage to reason why he is worse then someone else is retarted. You qi never see lebron ply without his physical tools so stop trying to use that as a reason Wade and Kobe are better then him. If Tim Duncan was 6′2 he wouldn’t be the best pf ever, but that doesn’t matter he isn’t 6′2. Lebron puts up better numbers and more wins then dwyane Wade on a consistent basis. Judgin them off an event that happened 3 years ago an physical attributes that can’t be taken away is stupid.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.27 at 6:51 pm
      come on, last year KOBE crashed 1000 comments easily as no-1, truth is that Lebronze ain’t KOBE but….not even 300??? Let’s hear it for Bron-bron!!!!

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.27 at 6:51 pm
      296

    • big z Posted: Oct.27 at 7:41 pm
      When LeBron leaves CLE.
      I wonder where he will go?

    • Dre Posted: Oct.27 at 8:23 pm
      People kill me saying Lebron hasn’t won anything yet. First of all Kobe won his first championship as the undisputed leader of his team… before then he was always Robin to Shaq’s Batman. Secondly all these short-minded Lebron haters are all probably too young to remember but most people considered Jordan the best player a good 2-3 years before he even won 1 ring. Now that Lebron is doing his thing and has a much more well rounded game then Kobe (he is becoming the triple double King) he hasn’t won anything yet. To all them I say… haters… please.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.27 at 8:33 pm
      Nbk, I noticed it earlier, but you literally interpret posts in your own way. So don’t call me retarded when you apparently can’t even read. Earlier you talked some absolute nonsense about someone saying KD was better than LBJ; they actually said only LBJ only has a ceiling to compare to KD, and until Durant gains weight, he isnt gonna get to the top. And I didn’t say LBJ is a lesser player than Wade or Kobe because of his physical gifts, and I also said you can’t seperate Lebron from his atleticism. However, in my view, you are genuinely stupid if you think LBJ has a more complete game than Wade or Kobe. You may view LBJ as a better player because he has a physical edge over almost every player in the league, coupled with some truly remarkable skills… like I said its open to interpretation as to what you want in an ideal player and who rank 1/2/3. But he isn’t more rounded than Wade or Kobe, FACT! Deal with it! Lebron is the most physical complete player in the League; build, strength, speed, explosiveness etc but like THIS VERY ARTICLE SAYS; his J is average, he has no post game, his footwork is par at best (which is probably why his post game is lacking because he has the technique and strength), hes not a great FT% especially when you consider he gets to the line often. And thats just what the article lists… Just because Wade or Kobe weren’t born with the rare physical nature of LBJ doesnt mean they are less complete players, in fact the opposite, they have to work harder to develop a more rounded game. Oh and like I said before, stop making this banter personal, its very childlike. Oh and yes Lebron has some amazing stats, testament to his ability, and stats better than Wade, but you are ignoring a whole plethora of factors if thats the basis of your argument; stats aren’t black and white when comparing players, there is a load of gray areas to contemplate too (Injuries played through, strength of squad played with, system played in etc etc)

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 9:06 pm
      Lebron skills aren’t as well rounded as Wade or Kobe - fact? How me the fact? I’ll wait…………

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 9:07 pm
      Lebron skills aren’t as well rounded as Wade or Kobe - fact? SHow me the fact

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 9:33 pm
      I’ll make a case for lebron right now - lebron has more wins thn dwyane Wade regular season and playoffs. Lebron has had a better efficiency rating every year. He commits less turn overs, gives up less points, gets injured less (which does matter). Now for Dwayne Wade - he scores more points-(less efficiently) and won a title 3 years ago. Those are the only things you can say Wade does better then lebron (FACTUALLY)

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.27 at 10:35 pm
      Lebron ahead of scalabrine? i know they’re different positions so it’s tough to compare, but whaaaaaaat?

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.27 at 10:45 pm
      @360vue: School’em!

    • Nbk Posted: Oct.27 at 11:57 pm
      All 360vue is saying is if lebron and Dwayne Wade were the same size with the same athletic ability Wade would be better. Well that’s quite a fantasy. In reality LeBron’s skill-set + physical attributes make him the more complete player. Kobe fans can have their opinion with a very solid argument, butthere is no merit in saying Wade is better then bron. Unless you operate exclusively out of fantasy land

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.28 at 12:59 pm
      To be honest, this has already become tedious, so I will break it down once and quickly; if Lebron James, the the 6′8 250lbs entity, had all of the ability that either Kobe or Wade possess on AND off the ball, some of which he already possess but not the whole package, then he would singlehandedly, irrevocably be the most complete player ever to have played the game. There wouldn’t even be the slightest bit of debate about it. He could and in my view probably will stil manage such a feat before the end of his NBA career, but to say he’s the best player in the NBA right now is in my opinion foolhardy and ignorant, and also probably indicative that you freely accept whatever the media presents before you without considering the motives and reasons behind it. Oh and once again NBK, you have successfully managed to interpret a post however you bloody well choose. I didn’t say Wade was a better player than Bron, I think its Kobe 1, Bron 2, Wade 3, but Wade certainly has a more rounded game, he is more multi-dimensional. Like I said before, Bron can be unstoppable in ways Wade can only dream of, but it doesn’t mean his game is more developed. However, I do think Wade was the real MVP over Bron last season.

    • 360vue Posted: Oct.28 at 1:09 pm
      Oh and DWade scores less efficiently than Lebron? It’s statements like that make debating with you pointless. DWade has better FG% throughout his career, including FT%, with the exception of 3P% but he never took more than 80 in a season (which works out as less than one a game, whilst Lebron has shot more than 300 treys in all but his first season, whilst gathering only fractionally better 3P%) till the 08-09 season. Which Wade does all in less minutes and in general, with a worse complement of players around him?!? Yes my my, Lebron truly is a far more effecient scorer, he misses more frequently all whilst staying on the court on average for 180 minutes more a season. You need to look up the definition of effecient.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.28 at 2:45 pm
      well when you just take FG%. How bout effective field goal %? you care about that? How bout LeBron’s tendancy to draw more fouls? Oh and LeBron’s 20 LESS turnovers last season? that has to figure in. Oh and Dwayne Wade shoots 3 more shots per 48 minutes then LeBron. Oh and Wade has only had a better scoring average Lebron once in his career.

    • Da Hood Posted: Oct.29 at 8:10 am
      Danny Ferry should be fired, and Mike Brown days are numbered.

    • nbk Posted: Oct.29 at 4:27 pm
      word to that

    • Akash Posted: Oct.31 at 5:30 pm
      :{ He is awesome but he should be number 2.

    • Justin Posted: Nov.1 at 1:16 am
      All you Kobe fans full of crap rings is a team success award everyone knows that Kobe does shoot better then lebron, lebron pases better then kobe rbs better and dont say size matter mj had better rebounding seasons then lebron kobe a joke overrated over exaggerated duncan has rings he has 2 mvps he not mention top 3 so if you put this in prospective rings is blinded because kobe cant carry a load like lebron he cant be not as consistent as lebron, kobe has very bed games lebron will turn bad games to great passing nights kobe will not do that hes not a threat for triple doubles lebron already got more then him their grown men kobe just isnt better. Rodman was the smallest forward he grab more rbs then malone and muntumbo.

    • Justin Posted: Nov.1 at 1:42 am
      THAT IT

    • sousa662 Posted: Nov.2 at 12:46 am
      Listen for all the people who say that LeBron isn’t number one in the NBA just look at when they went to the finals who did he have on his team? The big Z and a bag of basketballs look who kobe had Gasol,Odom,Bynum,Fisher,Ariza just look when you got a former all-star like Lamar Odom coming of the bench your bound to win something when kobe had nobody he didn’t even make the playoffs you guys can talk all you want about winning championships but look at John Stockton and Karl Malone 2 guys who never won 1 and still they are 2 of the greatest players of all time so stop with the not winning a championship nonsense the guy is 24 years old and he has the NBA at the palm of his hand and if needed to hes capable of averaging ridiculous stats like he did in the east finals with 40ppg and also has 28 triple-doubles to kobes 16 in half the amount of games, and please dont mention his jump shot ok its not great we all know that but its getting better and for a guy who shoots a career 47% from the field it can only get better and for those people who say that its because he gets a lot of dunks and layups i say why shoot from 20 feet when you can shoot from 2 feet, not taking anything away from kobe but there are other players who fit his mold of skill and athleticism dwayne wade is an example, but never will you find me another LeBron James

    • Timy Posted: Dec.3 at 9:42 am
      I like Kobe Bryant

    • kevin Posted: Dec.6 at 10:51 pm
      dude how many rings does lebron have?
      0! none!
      d-wade has one and kobe has 4!
      Top players
      1. KObe
      2. WAde
      3. LEbron
      4. MElo
      5. Bosh
      6. CP3
      7. Duncan
      8. Joe Johnson

    • joe salgado Posted: Dec.20 at 4:54 pm
      Kobe bryant most underrated player os all time throughout his career he has had to go tru bull w da media tring to compare players saying they were better than him vince carter allen iverson tmac shaq duncan dwade and now lebron . Lebron is a nice player but come on kobe has been doing his thing for a while and at the end of the day he is still da one left standing above the competition kobe kobe kobe people don’t want to believe that a player as good as jordan could come around so soon after his retirement how could u rate lebron ova kobe . Anyways kobe is allready proving u wrong with a broken finger and deep down in lebrons heart he knows kobe has an all around better skill set than he does but its just something kobe has lived tru his career kobe is better than lebron end of story!

    • joe salgado Posted: Dec.21 at 12:28 am
      Typical kobe snub,we r still dealing with da same analyst and writers experts who ananimously gave the crown to jordan as greatest ever! I remember when kobe started doing his thing they would pit him against carter saying carter was better than kobe then it was the answer tmac etc now its lebron melo and wade but as long as we have this kobe bryant haterism by the media they always be ffinding excuses stats theories etc to not give bryant his due the best bball player is kobe bryant has been will be and at the end of this year ib think he will put this rivalruy to an end! Its kobe kobe kobe kobe all day kobe is da truth.

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