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Monday, September 20th, 2010 at 8:00 am  |  175 responses

Top 50: Joakim Noah, no. 43

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Bryan Crawford / @_BryanCrawford

Oh man, I can hear it now…

Dude, no way Joakim Noah is better than Ray Allen, Gilbert Arenas, Lamar Odom, OJ Mayo, John Wall, Al Horford and Jason Kidd?! Four of those guys are effing All-Stars for crying out loud!! No way!!

It happens every year. Somebody gets ranked too high, too low, or in some cases, gets omitted altogether, and people freak out. So working under the assumption thatJoakim Noah people will have something to say about Joakim being ranked No. 43 in SLAMonline’s Top 50 (because someone almost assuredly will), this is my rebuttal…

Opinions are like a-holes: Everybody’s got one.

But not everyone has a 6-11 version of Troy Polamalu on their favorite NBA team. A player who goes hard on every single play, on every single down, er, possession, and yes, has great hair.

Let’s be real, of the seven players ranked lower than Noah, one hasn’t even gotten his NBA uniform sweaty yet, the other – his teammate – literally isn’t even the face of the franchise anymore, and the other five, my feeling is that their team’s would’ve been OK without them, more or less.

So, no, Joakim isn’t “better” than those aforementioned players, but none were as critical to their team’s success as Noah was to the Chicago Bulls. Not a single one. It’s very simple: When he played, they won. When he was out, they didn’t. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

When the recent talk around Chicago centered on Carmelo Anthony possibly coming to the Windy City via trade, people had the gall to say they’d be willing to part with Joakim in order to make the deal happen. It made me wonder if I was the only one who could see just how valuable he really is.

Look, Melo is a lethal scorer; one of the best in the game without question. But let’s be real, you can find another player who can put the ball in the hole without having to look very far. The League is littered with scorers. Maybe not of Melo’s ilk, but they’re out there.

What you can’t find so easily is a guy who’s basically a 7-footer, who’s all heart, all hustle, and who is without question the leader of his team without even being its best player. Or second best player. Or even its third best player. Name another guy in the NBA who fits that profile?

You can’t. There isn’t one.

Joakim Noah is just that special. His basketball skill set isn’t anything great, eye-popping, or jaw-dropping, but he does a lot of things extremely well which makes him an invaluable member of your team, especially if you want to win basketball games. Not to mention the fact that he’s a natural born leader with a penchant for deflecting attention his way, leaving his teammates the freedom to just play their games.

It’s no wonder other teams want him, but the Bulls would be crazy to get rid of him, especially now with the collection of talent they’ve been able to assemble over the summer.

Consider that in the 64 regular season games he played in last year, his 2.1 assists per game ranked him top 10 among all centers in the NBA. His 11 rebounds per game placed him third. He was top 10 in double-doubles with 28, and in the Playoffs, fughedaboutit. His numbers were even more ridiculous.

Truth be told, had he not come back from injury when he did, the Bulls wouldn’t have even made it to the postseason.

Even though he played in only five contests, he still wound up leading all centers with 13 rebounds per game in the Playoffs. He was tied for first with Tim Duncan by dishing 2.6 assists per game. He led ALL centers in steals with 1.8 per game, and was seventh in blocks with 1.4 per game.

He also had three double doubles, which was good for fifth, he shot .947 from the free-throw line, and there is no statistic to measure how much heart he showed as he continued to fight through plantar fasciitis (yes, his foot was still bothering him) while setting the internets on fire as he dissed the capitol of Cuyahoga County.

The only time a player has been booed louder in Cleveland was when LeBron James showed up at Quicken Loans Arena wearing a Miami Heat uniform.

Wait…that hasn’t even happened yet. But you get the point.

So just in case you want to go there, it’s really hard to argue where Joakim’s been placed on this list.

And if there is one thing that anyone could possibly have a gripe with him about, it’s that he recently turned down a five-year contract extension worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $60-65 million because he feels he’s worth more and reportedly wants to make $70-75 million.

Ridiculous? Well, that depends on who you ask.

Unrealistic? Maybe, but you’ve got to think big, right?

People have doubted Joakim Noah his entire basketball career. But maybe, just maybe, he knows something about his value and his place among the best players in basketball that you don’t.

Let that one marinate for a minute.

SLAMonline TOP 50 PLAYERS OVERALL RANK POSITION RANK
Player Team Position 2010 2009 2010 2009
Ray Allen Celtics SG 50 36 11 10
Gilbert Arenas Wizards SG 49 34 10 9
Lamar Odom Lakers PF 48 33 14 10
John Wall Wizards PG 47 NR 13 NR
OJ Mayo Grizzlies SG 46 46 9 12
Al Horford Hawks C 45 NR 6 NR
Jason Kidd Mavs PG 44 45 12 10
Joakim Noah Bulls C 43 NR 5 NR

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’10-11 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jeremy Bauman, Maurice Bobb, Erildas Budraitis, Sean Ceglinsky, Ben Collins, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Manny Maduakolam, Eddie Maisonet, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Charles Peach, Branden Peters, Quinn Peterson, David Schnur, Todd Spehr, Kyle Stack, Adam Sweeney, Dennis Tarwood, Tracy Weissenberg, Lang Whitaker, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    Where is Anna? In……China?! Come on…

  • larrylegend

    great piece, agree 100%.

  • Will

    first! His hustle is invaluable. 43 is a good spot for him. Melo is top 10 though without a doubt

  • rmac

    im thinkin derek fisher fits the ‘not even 3rd best on his team’ leadership role, but i see wat ur sayin about the difficulty of findin someone like that.

    another reason hes extremely valuable to his team is that miami cant match up to him at that spot, neither can many other teams. only the magic, bucks, lakers, possibly celtics and rocketsif yao is healthy r able to matchup to him

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I believe the kids call it a co-sign. Nice work, B.

  • JTaylor21

    Great energy, hustle, and fits the bulls team perfectly. Big Question though, I doubt that he can become a KG-like defensive player for the Bulls which is something a Thibeau defense needs. Also KG had Perk to help him out while Noah has um “Cement Shoes” Boozer. Anybody that thinks that the bulls D will resemble anything like the 08 Celts D is HIGHLY misinformed or just HIGH.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    Yanick’s son better find a “J” if he wants to last long in the league…(on the other hand,judging from his genes, he might be able to run&hustle this way till mid 30′s so who knows…)

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Not sure how I feel about Noah turning down the offer… if he was such a leader he’d take a paycut so they could get more talented players on the roster. Lets face it, what difference is a few million going to make for a guy like that?

  • Kostas

    @Bourousis: Agapite Gianni, I’m a Greek myself; and although I marvel at your unrelented commitment to posting as often as you can and respect your love for European players, I will have to ask you to tone it down a bit. You’re pissing people off, and turning them into Euro-haters. They’re not taking you seriously. You don’t have to care (and you probably don’t), but I do. Hoop lovers in the States need to find out more about European ball, and “Calderon>>>Drose” is not the way to do it. And please, give it a rest with Iverson and Starbury. Everyone knows they’re overrated, and you’re just making people want to defend their reputation. Why don’t you post little-known facts about European stars instead? Instead of subjective “this guy is better than that guy” aphorisms. Halarose, file (chill, dude). Thanks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    nice post B, and fair enough placing imo. but im not a fan of his game. i dunno, just me.

  • http://slamonline.com Maurice Bobb

    I really like this kid. He reminds me of another one of my favorite players growing up: Dennis “The Worm” Rodman. Probably the best “I’ll do whatever the team needs me do to win ball games” guys to ever lace ‘em up…

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @Kostas….:agapite Kosta, sevomai tin apopsi sou alla den prokeitai 100% gia mia prospathia didaskalias tou eyrwpaikou mpasket pros tou filous imwn stis inomenes polities,einai kai diaskedasi episis (opws kaneis plaka m tous filous sou gia tin mpala, kerdise o pao exase o osfp,klp). Tora,se oti afora tin protasi sou gia tin methodo pou tha ferei ta kalytera apotelesmata ,epetrepse mou na exw diaforetiki gnomi,…se enimerwno pantos oti DEN ikseran oloi oti oi parapanw “gkiozides” einai ipertimimenoi merika xronia prin otan kai arxisa na grafw sxetika me tin periptwsi tous. Kai epeidi akrivws den ikseran, ta sxolia tous itan to ligotero emetika. Asfalws den perimenw na parakoloutheis oli tin istoria twn anrtisewn mou (elpizw na exeis kalytera pramata na kaneis) apla tha einai kalytero prin krineis mia katastasi na exeis ola ta sxetika me aytin dedomena stin diathesi sou(kai ayto isxyei genika stin zwi)…telos panton, den exei kai toso simasia….na se kala,ta leme!

  • JTaylor21

    @Maurice, feel ya bra but Rodman and Noah don’t belong in the same building. Rodman’s the greatest rebounder of all-time bar none and a GREAT defender while Noah’s a very good rebounder and hustler.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    isterografon….:exw polakis anartisei mikra-mikra mistika/plirofories gia to eurwpaiko mapsket stin diarkia twn teleytewn etwn…(eipame, den xriazetai na parakoloutheis ola osa exei grapsei/kanei kapoios. Einai omws aparaitito ean prokeitai na ton krineis).

  • http://www.twitter.com/CFleguel The Stro Show

    I called Joakim here yesterday. Here’s whos left: 42: Eric Gordon, 41: Steph Curry 40: LaMarcus Aldridge, 39: Al Jefferson, 38: Zack Randolph, 37: Manu Ginobli, 36: Andrew Bogut, 35: Monta Ellis, 34: Chauncey Billups, 33: David Lee, 32. Gerald Wallace, 31: Brooke Lopez, 30: Tony Parker, 29: Brandon Jennings, 28: Josh Smith, 27: Andre Iguodala, 26: Russell Westbrook, 25: Danny Granger, 24: Carlos Boozer, 23: Rudy Gay, 22: Paul Pierce, 21: Tyreke Evans, 20: Kevin Garnett, 19: Yao Ming, 18: Joe Johnson, 17: Steve Nash, 16: Tim Duncan, 15: Rajon Rondo, 14: Amare Stoudemire, 13: Derrick Rose, 12: Brandon Roy, 11: Chris Bosh, 10: Pau Gasol, 9: Dirk Nowitzki, 8: Carmelo Anthony, 7: Deron Williams, 6: Dwight Howard, 5: Chris Paul, 4: Dwyane Wade, 3: Kobe Bryant, 2: Kevin Durant, 1: LeBron James

  • http://www.phonetobuy.com LeoneL

    enough with the Anna thing janis borosis or whatever.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Very glad the Bulls took Noah from the day he was drafted. Players with his passion and energy are too rare to pass up.

  • ripslam

    Meh, this I can sorta agree with.

  • wottywo

    Good spot for Joakim, he has unlimited energy and pretty good skills, and talks a lot of cash money, which makes the perfect big man, or another KG. But just because they have boozer, they are not going to run over any major teams(MIA,BOS,ORL) in the East. I respect Boozers game, but the best team he was on and will ever be on is the Jazz, I’m sorry I still don’t see the bulls as a major threat(they look good on paper though). And however compared Joakim to Dennis Rodman needs to shoot themselves for lack of basketball knowledge. Dennis Rodman is on of the best rebounders ever to play the game. If you try and match Joakim’s heart and skill with Rodman’s Im afraid you are going to just get laughed at, Rodman will kill Joakim in overall skill. My bad Joakim is a better scorer.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    stro show, there’s no way Yao is that high if the rockets are limiting him to 24 minutes per game.

  • T-Money

    I actuallly thought that was kinda low for him. Talented, young, energetic big men (as opposed to, say, scoring wings) are hard to find. Drew Bynum, Brook Lopez, Dwight, Oden, Noah.. that’s about it.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    ^ And Oden and Bynum are out half the season… or more.

  • http://www.twitter.com/CFleguel The Stro Show

    @Caboose I think SLAM did their rankings before Yao’s minute restrictions were anounced. If not then I completely agree.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I must be the only one that’s given up on Greg Oden? He’s been hurt so much that his confidence in his body has to be shot by now which is going to take his confidence in his game right down with it. Whatever hope there was of him being a dominant big man in the NBA are long gone. Well, at least IMO.

  • The Lord of Nsam (formerly known as Fresh Prince)

    Great Writing Bryan (the Best this far) maybe bcuz Joakim is my man, a TRUE WARRIOR (normal he has CAMEROONIAN blood!) Any1 who knows anything about Cameroon know that we are true Warriors like Joakim, Luc Mbah a Moute (from the Bucks), Samuel Eto’o, myself…

  • Clownfish31

    My only problem with the way this was written is that it reeked of unnecessary over-aggressiveness. Clearly you’ve had one too many arguments with the other SLAM writers when compiling this list. Even if I agree 100% with what you wrote, I felt the urge to argue with you, just because you made it a point to make sure no one “could” argue with you.

  • T-Money

    I think people are being too harsh on Oden. Once he gets his body right, he’ll be straight. Big Z missed 3 seasons (!) at the start of his career and went on to become an all-star after that. GO had 11 pts, 9 boards and 2.5 blocks in less than 25 mins last year. Those are Dwight’s numbers per 36. The guy is a monster defensively.

  • The Lord of Nsam (formerly known as Fresh Prince)

    And Great picture 2.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Stro Show is correct about the timing of these rankings.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    And I completely agree with Bryan when he said that trading Noah (even for Melo) would be a gigantic mistake. He’s untradable at this point.

  • http://slamonline.com Maurice Bobb

    @wottywo I’m the one that mentioned Rodman. For the record, I said “reminded” me of Rodman. I never said he was as good as Rodman. Reminded. Rodman took pride in doing the dirty work. So does Noah…

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    T-Money, you’re absolutely right on point on that, but I think a lot of people were expecting oden to be better than the next Z. Him, bynum and dwight were supposed to usher in a new era of dominant big men ala ewing, shaq, drob and hakeem. Now all we get is dwight. He’ll be serviceable no doubt, but I’m with bryan here and say that the tolls he’s taken will tarnish his career when all’s been said and done. There ain’t nothing wrong with that per se, but it’s a bit disappointing. Of course I could be wrong, and sure as hell hope so.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @clownfish31: That was the whole idea.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @Ryan…:trading Noah for Melo is never a mistake. The talent gap is huge. And it’s not that the Bulls have already a really great scorer…(although i understand your reasoning on Noah’s important to the balance of the Bulls team).

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Giannis: That last comment of yours just epitomizes the ridiculousness you’ve been spouting throughout this entire series of posts. Oh, and not only do you have poor grammar, but you can’t read either. It’s Ryne, not “Ryan.” Good day to you, sir.

  • jer

    haha quite sick of giannas bourousis and his anna jokes.. but yea like this spot. could be higher but quite glad he made the 50.

  • Brian

    I agree T-Money that 43 is too low for Noah. This kid can really play and is quickly becoming one of my favorite players (never thought I’d say that). I would take him over a flounder like Bosh any day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    in contrast, i really want Oden to make it back big time because of all the injuries that came across. i pity him. Ok maybe being a top flight center is imposible now, but being a very solid one is not. And i don’t consider him a bust. He’s unlucky but he’s no Kwame Brown.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=oly&pcode=AQU GIANNIS BOUROUSIS

    @Ryne…..:sorry for writing your name wrong (it wasn’t intentional).
    @Bryan….:so….you would trade Melo for Noah…”interesting”….hm….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Giannis: No, I would not…as I clearly stated in my piece. Again, good day to you, sir.

  • wottywo

    @Maurice Bobb, so you are telling me right now, you will choose Noah over Rodman??

    And no offense, but I dont care if you are a fan over Rodman or not, but Rodman is way better then Noah, I’m sorry but numbers don’t lie. Like I said Noah is a better scorer, but Rodman was a beast on the boards. Hell Micheal Jordan wanted Rodman to play on his bulls team. Remember that three peat chicago got a year after MJ came back? Yea Rodman was apart of that team.

  • http://slamonline.com Maurice Bobb

    @wottywo Again, I said he reminded me of Rodman. Just so you understand: Suppose I said a girl reminded me of Halle Berry. That just means something about her reminds me of Ms. Berry. But don’t think for a second that I wouldn’t take Halle Berry over the copycat. All I was saying about Noah is that he’s a Rodman type of player. Rodman is the standard and should be in the HOF. Understand?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Word to Maurice. Rodman should be IN the HOF and not AT the HOF like he has been the last couple of years. But considering that nobody knows who the panel of voters are anyway, it’s hard to say if he’ll ever get in or not. Which in and of itself is a complete sham. You know who all the other HOF voters are in every other sport except for basketball. That’s ridiculous.

  • Elvis Freshly

    @Will.. Melo is top 5.. df you talkin? lol

  • Slick Ric

    I would trade noah for Melo

  • http://www,myczechrepublic.com SAB

    “It happens every year. Somebody gets ranked too high, too low, or in some cases, gets omitted altogether, and people freak out.” – it happens every position – the comments are just a load of whining and silly opinions. mind you, it’s hard to take the comments section seriously with GB writing his nonsense. co-sign Kostas 100%
    i think you under-estimated how fine people would be with this position for Noah – he’s a quality player and the argument you made for him is undeniable.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    So does this mean Verajao is off the list?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @SAB: It’s quite possible. Hope for the best, but always assume the worst. Especially when it comes to commenters. So far though, no one has disagreed on his positioning (some have even said he should’ve been higher) and quite frankly, I’m shocked to say the least.

  • nella

    GB….cut the crap already!!!

    Your Anna posts are lame, unoriginal, and represent troll-like behavior. Are you really contributing anything with your spam, poor grammar, and lack of insight? I have the right mind to post this in every player listing right below your 1st post.

  • Roddy

    Noah is easily my fav on the Bulls. I agree, don’t trade him. If they were to, who would be the Center? If in case you don’t know, here are the options:

    Kurt Thomas & Carlos Boozer – Millsap and Boozer did well against the Lakers in the two seasons they met up? NO

    Omer Asik & Carlos Boozer – NO! At least Noah can hit the shot from the elbow; Asik can’t hit a FT.

    Taj Gibson & Carlos Boozer – Again, how did Boozer and Millsap fare against LAkers?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Trading Noah for Melo wrecks the Bulls’ defense, as I’ve said in another post. With that move you would have Rose, Melo and Boozer defending with an unknown at center, or Taj Gibson as an undersized four. It would be a disaster, even for a coach with Thibodeau’s skills.
    I didn’t like Noah at first, but now I’m a fan. I thought he talked too much for his poor play when he first came out, but now that he’s raised his game, I like his attitude.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    yeeeeeeeeaaaaaahh. drose: top 20.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    great selection here slam.. noah rarely gets enough love and appreciation

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    NOAH!!! That’s my dude! Man, let me tell you, I was pretty upset when the Bulls took Noah in the ’07 draft. I couldn’t stand dude after the way he had acted at Florida. All the dancing, the sh*t-talking, ripping balls outta opposing coaches’ hands and whatnot. Thought he was a disrespectful chump who was gonna fade into nowhere in the L. And that first year I pretty much had that same additude all year. But his second year I started to respect him more, and after that Celtics series?? OOH-WEE! Now, him and Rose are the two players I never, ever want to see in another NBA uniform. Noah’s that rare player that will play with the same amount of hustle and intensity whether his team is up by forty, down by forty or tied. I think Noah has a really good shot at leading the league in rebounding, even with Boozer now in the fold. 11.1 rebounds in just 30 minutes a game is nothing to scoff at.

  • wottywo

    Maurice Bobb, I got you. In your mind he reminds you of Rodman. Ok that’s cool. But I don’t know how, but again I respect your mind.

  • http://www.yamahyouth.com Gerwin

    Bryan, good piece of work. At first I reacted as you stated in the first lines of the article, but reading through it, I changed my opinion. True; hustle and heart can’t be put into numbers and a lot of times are forgotten talents. Thank you for looking after them and naming them. Peace

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @wottytwo: Maurice isn’t the first person to say that Joakim reminds them of Dennis. I’ve said it on a number of times myself. I’m not sure why you consider that to be such a stretch when the similarities between the two (both on and off the court) are there. But hey, to each his own.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Because Joakim Noah is pretty much an open/closed case (he belongs in the 40s not cause of talent but because of the raw value he has to his team, it’s obvious, even Crawford can argue it without any debate), lemme throw this out to the populous:
    Where does Dennis Rodman fall on the pantheon of PFs? Top-5? Top-10? Top-15? +20? That’s a good one.
    Personally, the sky is the limit for Joakim. I can see multiple all-star appearances if he fixes up his offense. Hell, he doesn’t really have to honestly— if Rose gets better at creating offense for others (and you know he will), Joakim can get 10-15 points off that alone. Add in his garbage bucket points, great rebounding, surprisingly aggressive D and even more surprising passing, and I can see Noah getting some all-star nods in the future. If only because the centers in this league suck.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: Joakim would’ve been an All-Star last year had he not gotten hurt. And without giving it much thought (really because I don’t have the time), I’d say Rodman was Top 10 without a doubt.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I agree, Rodman is top 10. And I do see a little of Rodman in Noah. Everytime I see Noah tip a rebound to himself I can’t help but smile and think of #91.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Bryan, if only we were all as busy as you!
    I don’t know about Joakim making the all-star team if not for being hurt (would he really have beaten Lee? Stern likes to throw in some stock white guys in the All-Star game) but in the future, dude’ll definitely be running with Bron and Wade.
    And just to be devil’s advocate, I’ll throw in a very thoughtless list of Power Forwards:
    Tim Duncan, Karl Marlone, Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, Kevin McHale, Elvin hayes, Bob Pettit, Bob McAdoo, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Kemp, Dave Debusschere, Chris Webber, Spencer Haywood, Gus Johnson, Buck Williams, Jerry Lucas, Larry Nance, Connie Hawkins, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh (that’s 20 in a rough order, right..?) where does Rodman fall?

  • vtrobot

    i can understand why bulls fan love to have a guy like this on their team and how much his effort can change a game. effort aside, please stop with any mentions of KG. garnett was an absolute monster for many years. noah brings it nightly, but he’ll never be MVP of the league. NEVER will be in the discussion. the rodman comparison is much more accurate, but i also agree with the people who say that’s an insult to dennis. like a lot of the players on CHI for the past 4 or 5 years have been pretty overhyped.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: All things considered, I don’t think you’re exactly in a position to be snarky with me. In any case, I voted Rodman top 10 already… How about you elighten us with your infinite basketball wisdom and tell us where YOU think he should fall. After all, the highlight of all our days is you sharing your knowledge with us.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: Personally I think he’d probably be top-10 hedging out Shawn Kemp. I never said you were wrong dude, I just grabbed a buncha peeps off ESPN/Bleacher’s top-10 (which omitted Rodman, the b@stards).
    Your thoughts on defensive schemes in the NBA are absolutely horrible, but I’m not always against ya. It was a well written article, and your thoughts on Rodman are the prevalent basketball opinion. No need to be defensive.
    Cute use of the word ‘snarky’ though.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    The reiteration of the question was for everyone.

  • PDC

    Ohh man if this dude is 43, people are starting to underate Marc Gasol….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai: I wasn’t being defensive, just answering a smart-a$$ comment with another one. And you’re still on that hand-checking vs zone argument, huh? Sad. That was weeks ago. Let it go.

  • T-Money

    Hold on, why is Jo Noah a shoo-in for the ASG? I like him but with Dwight, Bogut and Lopez at the 5… fuhgedaboudit.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: I don’t think anyone said he was a shoo-in, but with the season that he had last year, I’m almost positive he would’ve gotten voted in as a reserve were it not for the plantar fasciitis. But, come Feb, if he’s #1 or #2 in rebounding (he was #2 around the All-Star break last season if I’m not mistaken) and maybe raises his block numbers, I see no reason why he couldn’t make it as a reserve in the East. Especially if the Bulls do well in the Eastern standings which should pretty much eliminate Brook Lopez since that’s the very reason Al Jefferson has been left off the West even though he’s had All-Star caliber numbers.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well isn’t Amar’e going to qualify as a 5 now too? I don’t see anyway Joakim is more then a 40/60 underdog to get in the game.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @nbk: Completely forgot about Amar’e, actually. But yeah, I guess you’re right considering he will play C for the Knicks. The East was a lot weaker at the center position last season. Still, stranger things have happened (See Al Horford).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol i’m with you. just saying – (ps also see – jamal magloire)

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Wow, this is a borderline atrocity. I can’t begin to comprehend what would motivate an individual to have such a mixed ranking. You might have compromised your journalistic credibility with this.
    There is no way Noah’s hair can be in the same league as Polamalu’s. Check the $tats: more volume per strand, more carries per yard, and more flow than a sober Eminem on a diss track.
    I respectfully disagree, sir.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Anton: That might be THE comment of this entire top 50. Kudos to you my man!

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    Bryan: If I said I thought Rodman was top-15, would you have challenged me to a game of basketball again?
    In all honesty, Amare is gonna severely hurt Noah’s all-star chances. I guess I still wish he was on the Suns…

  • wottywo

    @Bryan Crawford, Noah never lead the league in rebounds, nor have I ever heard of Noah doing anything crazy like getting married in dress, so yea, to each his own.

  • bashmo

    I know Noah is a very good hustle player and is also excellent defensively, however now matter how instrumental he is to his squad, to put him ahead of Al Horford who may not be as defensively sound, but offensively superior(and an all star) is pretty crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Jukai: No. But I’d play you just off GP. But we do agree that Amar’e is going to hurt some people’s chances to make the ASG in the East. Even if the Knicks do terribly again this season, because of star power, he’ll either get voted in or the coaches will pick him as a reserve.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Finally! It only took all day, but Bashmo proves me right.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @wottytwo: I guess in your mind, “reminds me of” registers as “exactly like”?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bashmo prooved nothing. He just said in opinion based on an All Star Selection while Noah was dealing with an injury. (And Arguably having a better year). The two players are a wash, but tradititionally a coach or gm will prefer the Center with a higher defensive skillset. Which is Noah

  • wottywo

    @Bryan Crawford, Look cry and complain all you want, but Noah isn’t what you think or wants him to be. I’ll admit Rodman was a little crazy outside the league and but he was a great defensive player and a great rebounder. Noah is not even close to Rodman in any conversation, so get that out of you mind before you blow a fuse.

  • http://dsfjlkf.com Jukai

    Noah is undeniably like Rodman. No one is saying Noah is as good or will ever be as good. But the hustle, the rebounding, the garbage points, the hardnose defense and those strangely flashy random passes that make you go “… wait huh?” is undeniably Rodman. He’s a poor man’s poor man’s Rodman.
    And Noah is better than Horford in my opinion. Horford’s offense is overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @wottytwo: Cry? Complain? Who did any of that? I just questioned your thought process, that’s all. Noah may not be close to Rodman in YOUR conversations, but in today’s NBA, anybody with common sense can see the similarities between the two players. Again, you’re free to disagree, but just know that you’re wrong in your evaluations. Obviously, judging from your comments in the posts regarding him turning down Team USA, you obviously don’t like him. That’s fine…hate is a cancer that eats from within causing the person who has the disease to suffer from insanity and die a slow, horrible death. Common sense is usually the first thing to go. Get well soon.

  • http://Bulls.com C-Lo_The_Great

    I wonder if Lu deng makes top 50? If so, then 4 Chicago bulls are in top 50. Insane

  • T-Money

    Noah is a terminally ill homeless man’s Rodman. His defense is overrated. He’s a good system defender but he can’t shut down on his own ANY of the premier bigs in the league. That’s why I can’t really see the Rodman comparison. You need to be able lock guys up on your own to be compared to Rodman. / Jukai: I don’t think Noah is better than Horford. Noah is a better rebounder but Horford still gave you 10 a game. I’ve heard from several analysts that he was THE best big man in the league for defending in the perimeter. His jumpshot is absolutely money (48% from midrange last year – 48!!). He’s putting up 15-10 on 55% with an atrocious offensive system in Atlanta. He’d be easily a 20-10 guy if they would run plays for him and he could play his natural spot.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money was diagnosed with hater cancer long ago. I guess terminally ill people need support from each other.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T-Money there are just as my anylyst saying Horford is a PF stuck out of position because of Josh Smith. There are also those that say Noah is the prime big man for today’s perimeter oriented game. But if you think Noah’s defense is overrated your crazy. FYI There is no such thing as shutting a player down one on one anymore, there are too many rules protecting the ball handler. Which is exactly why a celtics team, full of guys over 30 was the best defensive team in the league. *Tom Thibedeau (Noah’s new coach/ boston’s former defensive coach) is smart enough to build his defense around a help based system and a long smart interior player (what once was Garnett will now be Noah).

  • http://dsfjlkf.com Jukai

    nbk said everything I was gonna say. Crawford added the insults I woulda added.

  • The Philosopher

    Noah is Charles “Bo” Outlaw re – invented.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai: Those were hardly insults…that was truth.

  • JTaylor21

    TMoney is right, Harford is the better overall player while Noah is a slightly better rebounder and defender which is the reason why Harford was picked before him. Harford plays out of position and on one of the worst offenses in the league which resembled cryveland’s offense on crack and heron. If he played in an offense that actually give the ball to its most efficient player, he would easily put up 20/10.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Harford? Who he play fo’?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Hawks were the 2nd best offensive team in the league outside of the playoffs last season. So to say their offense related to Clevelands is ludicrous (unless your talking about the Orlando Series) Horford was an above average center and a superstar PF. Basically Horford “doesn’t excel” because he plays out of position. Check Basketball-Reference & 82games.com if you want proof.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Noah gets compared to Noah, because we lack players in the NBA who play with alot of intensity now, like Rodman used to play with. So when a player plays hard and intense he gets compared to Rodman. I understand it, but Rodman was shorter, smaller and was ten times the defender Noah is. Noah is good, but comparing him to Rodman is like Comparing Ray Allen to Larry Bird, just because he can shoot, doesn’t put them in the same category. Just because Noah can hustle/rebound, doesn’t mean he is in a Rodman category, for now lets see Noah put together a string of great rebounding and defensive numbers like Rodman, then we compare. BOOK IT!!

  • The Philosopher

    Co-sign The Seed @7:12 p.m.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^^^^^Noah gets compared to Rodman

  • http://dsfjlkf.com Jukai

    The Seed: I dunno, those tips to himself, hustle garbage points under the basket, the screaming and dancing, and those surprisingly sweet passes he does time to time don’t remind you of the worm at all? Just pure in terms of looks and style. Not in terms of impact..

  • tavoris

    the only thing Noah has in common with Rodman is the ability to get under player’s skin. Everything else about his game is Knicks-era Marcus Camby.

    As much as I love Rodman, he’s not even top-20 on the PF pantheon. There are just too many more accomplished and talented players ahead of him. However, I think he’s one major humanitarian act away from getting in.

  • JTaylor21

    @NBK, I’m not talking about offensive stats because if you look at the cavs offense they were pretty good stat wise, I’m talking about offensive style. The Hawks offense is eerily similar to the cavs in terms of the way that they just give the ball to Bron, JJ or JCraw and just let them dribble seconds away trying to go one on five. Therefore if Harford played in an offense that shared the ball and ran actual sets not bullsh*t one on one basketball, he would put up better numbers.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    To say celts would have been ok without ray, same for al and hawks, and esp lamar and lal, is just stupid. To use noahs superfreak ft numbers fo five games as evidence of how good he is, well, thats just retarded. Noah is a very good player whos great in his role. This might even be a fair ranking for him. But making outlandish statements is just foolish. Crawford, this is yet another fail for you.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Jukai
    Noah has not reminded me of Rodman ever, a good defensive player yes, but not Rodman, aka THE WORM.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: And you kind sir just helped prove my original point. Also, if you were actually reading for comprehension and not just skimming or itching to argue with me, you would see that I used more than just FT numbers as an illustration of Joakim being worthy enough to be ranked ahead of those other guys. Yet another comment fail for you too. You’ve perfected it.

  • JTaylor21

    @Tavors, I think that you’re stretching it by not including the GROAT in the Top 20 PF list. I will just go of the head and name all the great PFs I could think of and I bet that Rodman makes it in. TD, Malone, KG, Pettit, Barkley, Dirk, McHale, Cowens, Kemp, CWebb, SHaywood, EHayes, JLucas, DeBusschere, DSchayes, and last but not least Rodman. See I think that the Worm makes it in with room to spare. There may be other great PFs that I forgot about but I think that Rodman’s career allows for his name to be included.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    total scrotal is a dumbfu(k…good ranking for Noah.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: Since you ride the short bus, I’ll make this very easy to understand: The Lakers, Celtics, Hawks, and Mavs still had enough overall talent to be considered good teams and theoretically would’ve still done well without those guys. Reason being, those teams didn’t depend on them as much for their success as the Bulls did with Joakim Noah who without him, the Bulls would’ve been bad. Very bad in fact, even with Derrick Rose. I hope that made sense to you, although I’m not holding my breath that it did.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Crawford. I did see that you used other numbers to illustrate noahs worth. I didnt comment on those, cuz they were accurate. As I stated earlier, this is probably a fair ranking for noah. Hes a very good player with excellent skills in a few areas. Fts, however, are not close to one of his strong suits. To show he shot 94% for five playoff games as a way to state how good of a player he is, is akin to showing chris pauls dunk on dwight as evidence of how sorry a defender dwight is. The actual thing is nice and all, but its just gonna happen the once. Noah will never shoot 94% ft over five games again. hawks wouldnt have done much without horford, lal without lamr neither. Yes they would still be better than say, raps, but lal wouldnt have won the title. Youre overstating things, thats all. Noah is a rare breed and bulls should keep him for a long time.

  • wottywo

    Bryan Crawford: I never said I hated Noah, I said We didn’t need him on team U.S.A, that’s not hate, I don’t hate anyone I just don’t respect his game. My comment about him turning down team U.S.A is that why would he even comment on turning down team U.S.A and team U.S.A won the gold medal(sounds like he’s full of himself). Again take what I’m typing and think before you comment. I know you are saying Noah is the present day Rodman. But until he averages 16 rebounds in one season, and shuts people like me up with his skills on the court, I don’t see it.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Noah is a great hustler and everything, but hes closer to junk yard dog than rodman

  • http://myspace.com/emarosa Bryan

    One of the most polarizing writers on slam , writing about one of the most polarizing players in the L. Good work sir. Even though I f*cking HATE Noah.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: I didn’t overstate anything. I didn’t say that LA would’ve still won a ‘ship without Lamar, or that BOS would’ve still made it to the Finals without Ray, etc… What I said was those teams would’ve been “OK” meaning they wouldn’t have totally sucked without those players because they had a greater collection of talent top to bottom unlike the Bulls who — once again — would’ve totally sucked without Joakim because they didn’t have as much talent. This shouldn’t be so difficult to comprehend. Everyone else seemed to pick up on that notion except for you. As for his FT percentage, I don’t care what you say, 94% is good no matter how many games it came over. Besides, the guy shot 74% from the line last season and is a 70% FT shooter for his career. Do you realize how good that is for a center? The fact that he shot so well in the Playoffs is evidence of him picking up his play when it counts the most. In fact, his FT shooting has always gone up during the Playoffs versus the regular season. Do you do actual research before you speak or do you just make stuff up? I’m guessing the latter.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @wottytwo: It’s clear that Joakim was asked a question and he answered it. It’s highly unlikely that he meant it as a diss towards Team USA. Besides, he’s said for the longest that he wants to play for the French National Team. He said Team USA asked, he declined, and he gave his reason why. How is that being full of himself? Because the quote came out after the Worlds? Who knows when this interview was even taken? Maybe you should think before typing your comments.

  • wottywo

    @Bryan Crawford :I do think before typing my comments, and for some reason you won’t let this die maybe. Again I don’t care who he plays for or what he does, but you guys are overrating him. Your a bulls fan right?

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Bryan Crawford: Great write up! I love this guy. Honestly, the only reason people dislike Noah so much is because he routinely drops 15 and 15 on their squads, and they secretly wish they had him on their team.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @wottytwo: A Bulls fan you ask? Why yes, yes I am. I’m also a fan of French bread, French toast, French fries, and Joakim Noah. In some circles, all of those things are overrated too. What can I say?

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    That obviously depends on your definition of ok. Anyways, that wasnt all I meant when I said you overstate things. You overstate noahs ability. Once again, hes a very good player and does a great job in his role, but you are overrating him. I very easily comprehend what youre saying. Id like to know how many fts he shot in thosefive games. Samples size has to be taken into account. Noah is a decent ft shooter, despite his weird a@# shot. how can you accuse me of making anything up? I brought up no stats, just said youre overstating things, and you are.

  • http://www.manutd.com t-money

    Hater? That’s all you got? I’ve started this saying that Noah should be HIGHER on the list. Insulting random people on the Internet? Cmon guys, who the eff cares?! Dennis Rodman actually could and did shut down 4s on his own. No help. TD could do that in his prime as well. It’s not an impossible feat, it’s just very, very difficult. Even KG in his prime was more of an “anchor” type defender as opposed to just taking someone out of the game. Noah is very, very far from that. He’s a good defender, that’s it. Now if the comparison is about theatrics and off the court stuff, whatever.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    On another note, I find it quite odd that slam would allow crawford to continuously personally attack commentators. especially when it is the first rule on this site. I debated with him about overrating noah and overstating other things. And all he sent back was a bunch of personal attacks on my intelligence. That says alot about a person when they cant calmly debate a difference of opinion without resorting to such tactics. Someone with slam, ben?, needs to have a talk with this dude. Its a bad look to have one of slams writers constantly attacking commentators for the mildest things. Crawford strikes me as a condesending douchebag who loves to talk sh#t when theres no chance of him suffering consequences, but at the first sign of actual trouble, he goes running with his tail tucked. But its ok, allenp will be taking his spot soon.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: Your blog, or whatever it is is absolutely hilarious, especially that bit about the cat trap. Oh, and the Killverado too. I’ll give you credit, real or completely made up, it’s quite funny. But from one a-hole to another, having an “intelligent” basketball debate is clearly not where you excel. Stick to what you know best. With that said, I think we’re done here.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: For the record, I’ve been personally attacked more times than I can count on this site. It is what it is. Some people like me, some don’t, and the feeling is certainly mutual on my end. Man up…stop being so sensitive. Remember, you said this piece was another “fail” by me. So don’t act like this so-called “attack” just came out of the blue. You have selective amnesia, poor widdle thing. I’m sorry if I hurt your widdle feelings too…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    BTW – I go back and forth with you guys for fun. If you can’t take it, stay away from the comments section of my work.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Yea I said fail. But thats it. You should try to hold fire for a deserving target. You didnt hurt my feelings, its just a bad look for you and slam to being going off on anybody for the smallest ish. Ive seen you and that “lawyer” in miami go at it, funny stuff …. The link isnt mine and it is real. Buy the book, its great

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @total scrotal: Listen man, I take my stuff seriously, OK? Fail, to you may be “small ish,” but this Top 50 is a serious body of work for all of the writers involved. It’s a reflection of the high quality that people come to expect of SLAM and its writers. If you don’t agree with the piece, that’s fine, but do so respectfully and have the decency to understand that I didn’t just write this up in 5-minutes like a lot of people seem to think. It’s very easy for you guys to quickly bash something while having little to no understanding of the writing process (and in some cases, zero ability to even do better) and the amount of time that goes into it. No, I don’t crank out excellent pieces 100% of the time, I know that. But I also know that not everything I write is complete crap. If that were the case I wouldn’t be here or had an actual byline in the mag. It’s usually the ones who I know don’t like me that like to go in so if I feel like it, I’ll go right back at them just off GP. But if that’s not you, then don’t behave like a lot of these cats who like to go at writers for attention because I’m not that dude and in an a-hole contest, I’m going to win every single time. Cool?

  • http://twitter.com/soulonice6 Kenny

    Dope piece, mane.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Damn man I wasnt trying to insult your profession, just disagree about your opinion of noah. If you always react that strongly to a differing opinion that doesnt attack you or your ability to do your work, then you just need to grow thicker skin and not go off on people for miniscule things…….. And im not interested in your hole contest

  • rico

    I was one of the few that isnt too hot o Melo. Id reluctantly take him for jj/taj and picks only because I like Taj’s game a lot. But when they try to include Noah in the mix Helllllllllll no. Like the article says for what Noah brings that is hard to find. I was ecastatic when we drafted him and there were all the Naysayers. Im glad he proved them all wrong. Love Noah

  • Robert Womack

    lol, I could tell, you are taking this to the heart lol, but still no matter what, your bulls are a 2nd round exit. and No just Noah is overrated

  • Norm C

    Great job Bryan. The haters will hate. They’ve hated Noah since college, but the kid doesn’t let that affect him. He won back-to-back national titles as a college player. Not easy to do in these challenging times of the college game. He put in three years as a college player when he could have entered the NBA after his first NCAA title. He’s matured and he’s a winner. The people who know special players, people like Phil Jackson, love him, so who cares about those who hate him.
    As for Al Horford, Noah is showing who was the real BIG MAN ON CAMPUS during Florida’s tremendous title-winning years.
    Bulls fans should always be thankful to John Paxson for spotting a winner and taking him when some of them were dreaming of Spencer Hawes at #9.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    The irony is, people are bashing Crawford over this article.
    Crawford didn’t GET to pick number 43. It was an average of what all the SLAM writers thought given the criteria presented to them (if you’re wondering, this is way better than the original way the top-50 was [-, which, from what I can tell, was made by manatees grabbing colored balls w/ players names on them and bringing them to Lang). Crawford likes Noah and presented why the ranking makes sense. He didn’t demand Noah be 43. Blame all the writers and editors.
    What’s funny is, Crawford’s articles are normally opinionatedly awful and should garner the same reaction this is getting. Funny world.

  • X

    I’m guessing the other 4 centers in this list are Yao, Bynum, Bogut and Howard?

  • Lazarus

    owww better than horford. big call.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    “Opiniatedly awful”? I don’t even know what that means. A lot of you dudes aren’t even “qualified” to have a basketball conversation or a comment on journalism in general. Silly me for even entertaining you. Moving forward, I will no longer acknowledge the existence of the following commenters aka The Village Idiots: Total scrotal implosion, Jukai, T-Money, wottytwo, and JTaylor 21. You guys are annoying and have now been blacklisted on my end. I’d much rather have conversations with rational people who actually “know” basketball.

  • logues

    if this was top 50 ugliest players in the NBA, he would def be number 1

  • JTaylor21

    @BCraw, it’s funny how you tell TSI to stop being sensitive then turnaround and B*TCH about how tsi, jukai, t-money, wottytwo and I are annoying and will be blacklisted, talk about that time of the month. You need to start growing some gonads and start being so quick to catch feelings when someone doesn’t agree with your article, damn did you just win the Pulitzer award.

  • JTaylor21

    ^start=stop

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ve got to be honest, I hate Noah, (HE IS NOT EVEN A NIPPLE RING ON DENNIS RODMAN) and I thought Bryan wrote a really good piece about a semi-controversial player, but the comments were a 1000 times more entertaining. I just got around to reading all of it now and damn, I’m still laughing at some of this sh*t! Bryan, you let these cats get to you bro. I know you say you don’t mind going toe to toe, but still, it’s kind of funny! I like your honesty, though!

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, those dudes are idiots and it’s really frustrating sometimes that they try and come off as experts while having no qualifications whatsoever other than meaningless comments that they use as their forum. You and I have had our disagreements, but at the same time you’ve actually written an “article” so that said, I consider you a peer. These dudes are beneath me and from now on, I’ll truly give them their proper respect. They’ll be ignored.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    We’ve only really disagreed about your feelings about Lebron. Otherwise, I kind of feel you on most everything else. Well…..the whole zone/hand check think was kind of funny too, but that’s old news now.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I guess my point is that if someone tried to tell you about your profession without having any experience in that area of their own, it gets annoying. And I don’t always get upset when people disagree, but when you say dumb things such as John Stockton had better handles than God Shammgod, why should I even talk to you?

  • T-Money

    I’m actually not sure who I’m hating against here since I gave Noah his props and didn’t comment on the article itself. Guilty of disagreeing with a SLAM writer on whether Jo Noah should be compared to Rodman? I can live with that. However, as others pointed out, you can’t ask people to stop catching feelings then turn around and catch feelings. You’re everyone’s peer as soon as you start commenting. If you really feel that this is beneath you, do like Khalid and don’t comment at all.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCraw, damn you’re DUMB if you think that a cat who plays F*CKING streetball and is guarded by non-defensive suckers is a better ballhandler than a dude who was guarded by NBA defenders for 20 years. What makes you think that you know more than anyone else just because you write for a magazine, RIDDLE ME THAT.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    As you can see Eboy, these dudes will be crying for my attention now that I’m no longer addresing them anymore…it’s funny how things work sometimes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I will refrain from entering the arena, B.

  • JTaylor21

    You a** didn’t address me but was talking about me in your last comment, way to throw rocks and hide your hand huh.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    No problem, E. The arena is closed anyway.

  • The Philosopher

    Peace is not only better than war, but infinitely more arduous.
    (George Bernard Shaw)

  • vtrobot

    @ tavoris: yes, noah is like camby. except not as strong offensively or defensively. and his shot is actually mechanically WORSE than MARCUS’. they are both tall.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    Wow crawford is really butthurt. All I did was disagree about noah. I said nothing about his occupation or ability to do it. Fabricating insults at yourself is kinda weird. I dont know or care what these other dudes said but youre really taking this personal. Just over me saying you overstate noahs ability. I dont care about your attention or whatever. It is funny though, you must have been to the beach recently and forgot to clean your clam

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well whaddaya know…Scottie Pippen came out and said that he wouldn’t trade Joakim for Melo and guess what? He also called him a “Poor man’s Dennis Rodman.” But I guess he doesn’t know what he’s talking about either.

  • http://www.dontevenreply.com total scrotal implosion

    It couldnt be hometown bias overstating a player could it? Naaaaaaaah

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Just wanna throw some respect out for Bryan Crawford. Ya’ll ignorances are just crazy.. Not everyone knows everything, and just because ya’ll aren’t “professionals” don’t mean your clueless. But being stupid is a natural thing that you can’t help. (JTaylor just because a guy does or doesn’t play in the NBA doesn’t mean anything about their skill level at a certain aspect of the game. For instance I would work shaq in a shooting contest. It would look like Larry Bird against your sister, but never would I ever claim to be a better basketball player..Shammongod dribbles ALL DAY. John Stockton was more worried about a pick and roll then his handle. Its not an insult to say Shammongod has better handles, it doesn’t make him a better player, and it suredeoesn’t mean stockton lacked in handles. It is actually common sense that a streetball player like that would have better handles then a pro. But he can’t hit the jumper, feed the roll man, or guard the perimeter anything like stockton). you don’t cover basketball for a living so to assume you know more then someone who does is the definition of arrogant ignorance.

  • JTaylor21

    It doesn’t matter what Pip said, Noah is still not even a poorman dennis rodman, the GROAT name doesn’t belong in the same sentence with Noah.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If a guy averages 10+ rebounds, isn’t an offenive option and is his teams best post defender then he is automatically a poor man’s dennis rodman. I don’t know how rich you think Poor is JTaylor, but 10+ rebounds and gaurding the best post player game in and game out isn’t very poor.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So being voted one of the NBA’s 50 Greatest, winning 6 NBA Championships, and 1 HOF induction later and Scottie Pippen is just a “homer” that doesn’t know what he’s talking about? SMH… There really are some morons that visit this site. It’s official. Unbelievable… I feel justified by Scottie, and also on my decision to blacklist certain folks.

  • monkeyball

    Joakim Noah is not as good a rebounder as Rodman was during his Bulls years, but they’re not that far apart. Rodman’s game was already in decline when he came to Chicago in 1996. He was not as quick or as effective on the boards, and Noah is better at putbacks. So I don’t think it’s fair to overestimate Rodman to that level (the early-90′s 18-boards-per-game Rodman is another story).

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  • Aaron

    Ranked as the fifth best center in the League? Reaaalllyyy?

  • Morgan

    So you say Joakim is ranked higher than Al horford and and Gilbert Arenas etc because he means more to his team, not because he’s better. Isn’t this a definitive list of the 50 BEST PLAYERS, not the 50 who mean the most to their teams?

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