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Saturday, September 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm  |  84 responses

Top 50: Kevin Martin, no. 45

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Adam Sweeney/ @AdamSweeney

“And you can check my stats cuz worldwide they attesting to that
So listen you can probably learn a lesson perhaps
How I’m like Bobby DeNiro, Joe Pesc and them cats
Am I the unsung hero? oh yes if you asking anybody that’s aware of the classics”

The Roots – “Rising Up”

I have a confession to make. I’m sick as hell of using the words “underrated” and “efficient” when it comes to Kevin Martin. If Martin had a rapper equivalent, he’d have to be Black Thought from The Roots. Year in, year out, he’s going to knock the tracks out while other artists get the run.

NBA fans and coaches obviously don’t completely recognize his talent yet, which is insane given that he has been a top scorer for the last six seasons, averaging over 20 points for five of the six. Since most awards are named after players, or whatever corporation decides to shell out the most cash, my suggestion is that we create the “Nike Kevin Martin Award,” given out each year to the player who deserves to be on the All-Star team but can’t make it because he’s not flashy enough or voters are too ignorant of his ability. In many ways, it almost seems destined that Martin would play for the Houston Rockets, the ultimate “the sum is greater than its parts” team.

Martin played last season without another star by his side and helped carry the load. He also threw a figurative middle finger in the air to critics who call him fragile by playing 80 games.

For statheads ready to argue that Martin doesn’t put up big enough numbers, check again:

#9 in points per game
#2 in points per 48 minutes
#1 in free-throws made
#8 in free-throw percentage

Those numbers are exactly why Martin fits so well on the Rockets. He knows how to get his points within the frame of the offense and does so while stopping the clock, killing any momentum the opponent can gain while also keeping his team in the game. It explains part of why Houston was such a damn pesky team to play against last season. But you’d know that if you watched him or Rockets games more often, and I’m not saying that out of spite. Working for a Texas sports radio station and being a Houstonian, there’s enough numbers to show that Houston flies under the radar.

Martin’s free-throw shooting has also proven to be a statistical anomaly, but you don’t have to take my word for it. (Yeah, we took it back Reading Rainbow style, bitches.) Allow me to show you a stat by writer Ian Levy*:

“Over the past 10 seasons the League average FT% has never dropped below 75.2 percent, and never risen above 77.1 percent. Over the course of a player’s career their FT% tends to stay fairly similar as well.

Despite entering the League as a very good free-throw shooter, Martin has seen his FT% rise substantially. He shot 81.7 percent his last season at Western Carolina but just 65.5 percent as an NBA rookie. Even if we dismiss his rookie season as a blip we still see steady improvement. He’s increased his FT% almost every season, and is shooting 89.0 percent from the stripe this year. Even more impressive is he’s done that while substantially increasing his number of attempts. As a rookie, Martin averaged 4.4 FTA/36. This season he’s averaging 9.6.”

Take that, haters.

The biggest hit against Martin throughout his career has been that he doesn’t work on the defensive end. To that, I suggest you go watch tape of Carmelo Anthony. That’s not to say Martin and Anthony belong on the same tier, just that playing good defense is not mutually exclusive with the evaluation of a player’s greatness. Some cats are just meant to be scorers.

By now you either get Martin’s importance or you don’t. He’s spent eight seasons in the Association, more than enough time for you to recognize how good he is. Why he hasn’t made an All-Star team yet is one of the greatest mysteries of all time, right next to why Katy Perry’s last album tied Michael Jackson’s Bad for most No. 1 singles of one album, because that shit happened also. But keep talking about the flavor of the month, Monta Ellis, or whatever other scorer ESPN latches on to. Martin’s made a career out of flying under the radar. Why should he stop now?

*Thanks to Red94 for the Ian Levy quote

SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2011
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Luol Deng Bulls SF 8
49 Andrew Bogut Bucks C 7
48 Ray Allen Celtics SG 9
47 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 6
46 David West Hornets PF 15
45 Kevin Martin Rockets SG 8

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’11-12 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Maurice Bobb, Shannon Booher, David Cassilo, Bryan Crawford, Sandy Dover, Adam Figman, Jon Jaques, Eldon Khorshidi, Ryne Nelson, Doobie Okon, Ben Osborne, Quinn Peterson, Dave Schnur, Abe Schwadron, Dan Shapiro, Irv Soonachan, Todd Spehr, Tzvi Twersky, Yaron Weitzman, DeMarco Williams and Ben York.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Kevin Martin over Deng, Bogut, Allen and Gasol, really? I understand that offense is what gets the most attention but come on. The guy has to be, hands down, one of the worst defenders in the L and y’all rank him above defensive stalwarts like Deng and Bogut. Slam, you’re better than that.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I’ve never understood why Sacramento let go of K-Mart, he seems like the perfect running mate alongside Tyreke; great off-the-ball scorer who can stretch the floor and get to the line. Especially given that they had been playing Tyreke as a PG. Oh well, hope Houston finds a way to get things together for him.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’ve come to the realization that Carlos “Saloon Doors” Booooooozer is going to be on here based on it being such an offense-heavy list.

  • Shem

    Tyreke is meant to play shooting guard. He can play point if that’s what he’s being asked to do but he flourishes as shooting guard. He needs a pass first point guard to carry that back court. That’s why I was so against them drafting Jimmer, very exciting but not what they needed. As for K-Mart, it’s crazy thinking he averages the 2nd most amount of points per 48 minutes and ranks 45th.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    He’s a beast on 2k.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Ever since Basketball was invented, offense has always been more valued than defense. I actually agree with SLAM on this one.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    C’mon, man.
    Loul Deng would hold this dude to single digits and score 20 on his a** on too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “Why he hasn’t made an All-Star team yet is one of the greatest mysteries of all time”
    ….umm, no. Not really.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Kevin Martin is a one-dimensional player, dude can score and that’s it.
    23.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.5 apg.
    Three rebounds and two assists per for a 6’7″ shooting guard who played 32.5 minutes per is pathetic.
    And he plays no defense, as you touched on.
    How he is rated higher than Deng and Bogut who can do so much more than just score is beyond me.
    So far this is the wackest top 50 I’ve seen.

  • Soulquarian

    It’s actually Michael Jackson’s great “BAD” album. I’d put Loul Deng above all these guys, although I can understand those who would put Bogut ahead.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Yea Martin is a one sided player. Just like Ray Allen

  • Thor

    ^ Ray plays better D than kevin martin.

  • reel

    naw this is a good spot for Martin

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I really enjoy watching Martin play. But I would not take him over Bogut, Gasol, or Deng.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    luol deng is better than him? wtffff

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    @Tae: go watch the 2008 finals. who was the main guy on Kobe?

  • ctkennedy

    KevinMartin is too low….he should be higher …hes a ELITE scorer …he the reason guys like Tony Allen,Thebo,Keith Bogans,n etc gets paid n they cant stop him …eff. as hell
    He so good on Offense …he takes a Offensive player out the game on the other end ….so he factors on D
    Your team cant be a top 10 D if u dont factor on that end

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Elite scorer?
    24.6 is his career high.
    Kobe, Wade, Bron, Durant are elite scorers.

  • ctkennedy

    @Enigmatic
    half decade n better at over 20per ….what else do u need to be considered elite

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ctkennedy, the Magic are top 5 in defense and only have 1 good defender. So there goes that theory.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And guys like Tony Allen and other defensive stoppers aren’t paid to guard guys like Martin, who run from screen to screen and don’t really create for themselves, aside from shooting when the defender is out of position and gettin to the free throw line. He’s gonna be a 20PPG scorer his whole career playing the same way, but in the end he isn’t winning teams games, especially if he is the primary guy. So no I wouldn’t consider him elite, very good, but not good enough to turn a team into a winner.

  • ctkennedy

    @nbk
    they got one great defender true
    but the other guys matter there is no gettin around it
    they not legit individual defender but on team D they legit
    the Magic dont win like they could cuz they dont have a closer on the wing

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Martin is one of my favorite players in the league now. One of the most efficient and effective scorers in the league, and doesn’t stop the ball. Don’t let the low assist #’s fool you, he moves the ball and is far from selfish.

  • ctkennedy

    if they had KevinMartin they would be LEGIT title contenders he FLATOUT would be the best wing scorer Dwight has ever played with
    Coaches would have to gameplan for KMartin which automatically make the Magic a better team

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “Elite” is a label reserved for the absolute best.
    It’s two steps above “good” and a step above “great”.
    If you’re going to label someone an elite scorer, they should be able to at least be worthy of being in the same convo as the all-time great scorers like Jordan, Shaq, Iverson, Dr. J, Domonique, etc.
    LeBron, Wade, and Kobe are there.
    Durant will be there.
    Kevin Martin? Nope.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign ct, Martin should be higher than this. The outrage over his place at 45 (?!) surprises me. Clearly people don’t watch him play, because he and Kyle Lowry pretty much kept the Rockets afloat without Yao and Aaron Brooks, and without a center over 6’6.
    Kyle Lowry should be on this list too, the way he’s improved–and the defense he plays. Not sure he will be, though, but he’ll be a premium point guard next season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jameer Nelson is a below average defender, same for Brandan Bass & JJ Reddick. Turkoglu, Arenas, and Ryan Anderson are just straight up horrible. Quentin Richardson used to be a pretty good defender, but now he’s only good against certain types of players, and horrible against others. The Magic don’t lose because they don’t have a wing scorrer/closer on the wing, they didnt have 1 when they went to the finals, but they did have a good defender in Courtney Lee, and 2 very long Forwards with Rashard and Turkoglu who created mismatches on offense and switched well on defense. In the end the Magic are elite defensively only because of Dwight Howard. The rockets were good defensively because they feature an atleast decent defender at every position, w/ Martin being the worst at below average.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Cosign that Lowry should be on this list. I wouldn’t put him very much higher but he’s underrated, especially on the afforementioned defensive end.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, great write-up as usual, Adam.
    @ Enigmatic: I know you’re a Bulls fan but Luol Deng should not be ahead of Kevin Martin. I’m sorry. If you want to talk about low assist numbers, Deng averages a whopping 2.3 for his career. I like Deng (and his Chinese last name), but come on. Martin should have been an All-Star by now. He was top 10 in scoring last season while averaging the fewest FG attempts by far. He’s so damn efficient that despite shooting a not-so-impressive % from the field, he’s still top 10 in scoring with fewer Field Goal attempts than even Dirk Nowitzki.

  • Kilgore Trout

    The little bit about Monta Ellis at the end made me chuckle. Dude’s either led or been top 5 in minutes per game the past few years and he’s a better scorer and all-around player than K-mart.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Also I could make a pretty good argument Luis Scola was the Rockets best player last season. I dont know if I’d believe it, but the case is there. I think Scola and Lowry should get just as much if not more credit then Martin for the Rockets mediocrity. Infact Scola should be coming up on this list, he’s better than David West IMO

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Likewise Teddy, I know you’re a Rockets fan, but all this praise over someone who can only do one facet of the game well?
    Martin gets you points.
    Deng gets you wins.
    Which do you value more?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And is “Deng” really Chinese?
    Wow, that’s kinda dope that a Sudanese cat ended up with a Chinese last name somehow…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Cosign nbk. Scola is criminally slept-on.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Let’s have a comparison between Deng and Martin:
    Team Defense- Deng
    On-the-ball D- Deng
    Offense- Martin
    Rebounding- Deng
    Passing- Even
    Mid-range- Deng
    Long-range- Martin
    Close-range- Deng
    Efficiency- Deng
    Versatility- Deng
    Playoff performance- Deng (by a landslide)
    Value to team- Deng (by a landslide)
    Deng is the better player in every aspect of the game expect for scoring. He’s also the second most important player for last year’s #1 overall seed while KMart has been to the playoffs ONCE (05/06).

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And JTaylor is NOT a Bulls fan.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Martin is more efficient. Lets nOt get crazy

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I’m so glad all you guys finally value Deng…… he has always been very underrated. He should be an allstar, and he should of been last seasons MIP.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Martin scored 6 more points per on only one more field goal per.
    But Deng shot 46% to Martin’s 43%.
    Martin was able to score so much more due to getting to the line more and shooting 88% from the line compared to Deng’s 75%.
    I’d say it’s a tie efficiency-wise. Or slight edge to Martin.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Derrick Rose shoulda been MIP.
    Deng shoulda made an All-Defensive team though.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I had no idea that shooting 3% points less made someone more efficient. Apart from the line and from 3, Deng is the more efficient player and I rather have a player taking mid-ranges than long 3s because it’s the more “efficient” shot.

  • ctkennedy

    Deng isnt n the same role as Martin …which is be your team TOP scoring option …When the playoffs come the main thing u need Deng to do is score more to help Rose
    Martin isnt a alltime elite scorer no …but for this era he is
    N every scorer in the league uses screens to get open to get buckets rather off or on ball
    N all them Magic defenders cant be that bad n they be top 5 in D …its impossible ….they TEAM D is legit …individual wise 90 percent of the league cant lock up
    thats why u seein the Jordan Crawfords Josh Selbys n so on of the world killin n the open run setting but when it comes to league D its NONE of that
    KEVIN MARTIN is top 10 EVERY YEAR for HALF a DECADE

  • ctkennedy

    3s is the reason Durant avg more than Melo every yr…3s r worst more points …so its has to be a more important shot

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    KEVIN MARTIN is top 10 EVERY YEAR for HALF a DECADE
    ctkennedy, you say that like 5 years is such a long time.
    It’s not.
    Plus, before he played 80 games last year, he played in 46 the year before that, 51 the year before that, 61 the year before that…
    “Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns…”

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Avg. 18.5 for your career doesn’t make you an all-time scorer in any era. Let’s not act like the guy is some kind of Alex English, he’s never avg. 25ppg in season, avg. over 23ppg only twice and as a rook, he avg. a measly 2.9ppg.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Its a proven fact that teams are more efficient shooting more 3′s at a lower % then mid range 2′s. Regardless, Martin Getting to the line and making such a higher % is why he is more efficient not because he shoots “3% less” (plus Martin’s true shooting % (when you factor in everything) is .601 compared to .549 for Deng. That inarguably shows Martin is a more efficient scorer when you look at PPG and shot attempts next to that %.

  • ctkennedy

    worth^^^^

  • ctkennedy

    outta of the players in the league how many u think got 5yrs of avg. 20 per
    5yr stretch is harder than u givin it credit for
    i agree he is injury prone
    im not sayin he a hall of famer or nothin
    but for this era hes on a AlexEnglish type past at this rate …he do this for 5more yrs which is possible outside of the main 5-7scorers
    he gon be top 10 in scorin for a decade which is nothin to blow off

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Again though, if scoring is his only talent, does he really deserve to be put ahead of cats that can do so much more?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Ok…..I’ll play this little game of yours.
    From 1980 to 1988, here are English’s PPG avgs:
    ’80- 23.8
    ’81- 25.4
    ’82- 28.4
    ’83- 26.4
    ’84- 27.9
    ’85- 29.8
    ’86- 28.6
    ’87- 25.0
    ’88- 26.5
    Apart from English’s 1980 season, Martin has never come close to matching English. So……..do you give up now?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    English also shot 50% from his career.

  • ctkennedy

    for K.Martin era he goin a English path as a career

    I agree he aint as good as AlexEnglish u got that
    but if u did a top 50 in English time he would be higher than 45
    like Martin should be now
    ONLY the top 10players n the LEAGUE get more buckets than him
    n its not the whole top 10
    Martin is a above average scorer for his TIME
    sayin he ELITE might be goin to far but yall undervaluin what he does on the court

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    lol @ your categories, JT. Several facets of defense are listed, and then a single “Offense” category that you give to Martin. And then you list off a bunch of offensive categories like “Close-Range” and “Mid-Range” that you give to Deng.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, in no way does 3% higher shooting equate to higher efficiency on Deng’s part. That 3% is the difference between 1-2 fewer misses per game, maximum. Look at the field goal attempts and the free throw/3 point shooting. Kevin Martin makes more from each possession precisely because he can shoot from distance and (most importantly) get to the line at will. We’re talking about 23 ppg compared to 17, on about 2 more shot attempts for Martin. That’s a big difference. Martin once averaged around 25 ppg on 16 shots per game–that’s bananas. I don’t see anyone (besides Ray Allen) coming close to that so far in this top 50 list.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Alex English also shot around 21-23 times a game to get those 24+ points. Like I said, in Martin’s best year, he scored 24.6 ppg on 16 (!) field goal attempts. He only did that once, but that’s undeniably an *elite* scoring season in terms of guard efficiency, and an obvious All-Star season. So yes, it is a mystery that he hasn’t been named to the All-Star team the same way Monta Ellis has been shafted the past 2 years–actually more, because Monta has never come close to reaching that efficiency.
    Also, I disagree that Deng is a better close-range finisher than Kevin Martin. Martin has a deceptively quick first step, a deceptively quick bounce and can finish at all angles. He’s not just a jump-shooter.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Why is it that your only argument that Martin is better than Deng is that he’s a better and more efficient scorer?
    That was exactly why I argue that Deng is more valuable to a team than Martin, because he can do a whole lot more than just score.
    Deng routinely defends the opposing team’s best swingman, rebounds well, scores 17 and steps up big in big games, both offensively and defensively.
    I mean, yes obviously scoring is important, but so are other parts of the game.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    IMO it’s clear that Deng is the better player. Defnsively there is not a single thing Martin does better. Offensively he is better overall but the gap isnt the same.

  • ctkennedy

    thats where the argument comes n
    how much more valuable is Martin as a number one option compare to Deng as arguably the 3rd or 4th best player on his own team
    thats what make rankin players hard such as Deng,AI2,JoshSmith n a couple others for that matter
    NONE of them is franchise players at all

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kevin Martin is not Houstons first option. Just because he leads the team in scoring does not make him the first option. Even if you do consider him a “first option” he is clearly not a viable one, unless you don’t care about winning.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Deng proved last year he is the second best player on the Bulls.
    There’s no way in hell Boozer is better than him, and while Noah is an extremely valuable asset, I’d put Deng over him too.

  • logues

    hes a beast on 2k and nba jam, esp on nba jam

  • Dr. DL

    Kevin Martin reminds me of Rip Hamilton in terms of the ways he gets his points. Except he gets to the line more often. I don’t think I’ll ever really enjoy watching him play but no doubt he is a legit scoring option for any team. If he’s ever going to win a ring it won’t be as a #1 option though.

    And I love the Reading Rainbow reference in the article.

  • ctkennedy

    @NBK
    @ENIGMATIC where do yall rank Deng as a sidekick(2best player on his team)in the league compared to if he was 3rd
    Boozer type player is hard to find 20/10 player
    17/10 for that matter
    thats why he got overpaid
    For the Rockets Kevin Martin is clearly the number one option on that team

  • ctkennedy

    AGREE u wont win a title with Kevin Martin as your number one option
    but u wont with
    Eric Gordon
    Tyreke Evans
    Rudy Gay
    Andre Igudola
    Rajon Rando n among other players as the number one option either
    so that aint sayin much
    we ALL know there aint 30 franchise players in the league
    thats why all the players r tryin to link up
    Kevin Martin is the type of player that Dwight Howard need for example more than say Tyreke Evans or AI2
    thats what makes the argument tuff

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Martin shot .5 more shots per game then Scola. Plus the Rockets ran Rick Adelmans offense…which always goes through the post. I consider Scola their first option but I understand saying its Martin, regardless, neither of them should be the first option on any team that cares about winning.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Back to Deng’s last name: it’s actually a fairly common last name in China. IE. Deng Xiaoping, the former president who made all the economic reforms post-Mao that led to China’s development.
    I’ve noticed that a lot of East Africans, especially the Sudanese, have last names that are eerily similar to Asian/Chinese last names. Not all, but some. I wouldn’t rule out a common ancestry.
    Like, look at Deng’s face and picture it in Asian skin. Seriously.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, I mean, all humans have a common ancestry. But maybe that’s proof of African/Asian languages evolving from the same origin. I donno.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Could be, Teddy.
    Similar to Filipinos and Latinos having similar last names.
    Although in that case, that can easily be traced back to Spanish rule on both sides.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy you really think its likely a family from Sudan has Chinese decendants? I think its more likely its just a sudanese name. Infact that’s exactly what it is, google it. It is the most common name among Dinkas

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ No no, I’m saying it’s possible that Chinese people and Sudanese people have a common ancestor somewhere down the line, probably in Africa itself. And not just those two countries; maybe all of East Asia/Africa.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh I see what your saying. Pretty interesting, do you happen to know what Deng or its derivations mean in Chinese languages?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Damn, hwen the heck did Luol get so many fans.lol

  • T-Money

    Yeah, his TS% is nice but what about, you know… his game? Atrocious defender, doesn’t rebound, doesn’t pass the ball, not a leader.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Sweeney

    Loving the discussion and thanks to everyone for the feedback, i.e. Teddy, etc.

    Kevin Martin’s value is one of the most interesting basketball topics to debate. I’d love to see the Rockets get into the playoffs so he could match up with the top scorers for a series. Then we might get some insight into how clutch he really is. For now, I’m definitely happy that he’s in H-Town.

  • Ronald

    Teddy Luol Deng having a chinese name or similar ancestry due to their surname and being akin to Deng Xiaopeng is a bit of a stretch. Considering chinese words can be romanized in so many different forms. Yes, both surnames are spelt the same way in “English”. But I doubt both come close to sounding the same in their original language. Martin isn’t that bad a of a defender and he is a good passer. The Princeton offense run by the Rockets doesn’t allow for high assist return unless you REALLY dominate the ball. Further TS% is a very important factor in distinguishing volume scorers, ala Iverson, Melo, Gay from the efficient scorers.

  • black pinoy

    Is it possible that yao ming might be sudanese? lol

  • DavidSternSucks

    I’m not a Rockets fan and it’s fine if you want to argue Deng or Bogut over Martin, but please STFU about FG% and PPG. I mean, what is this… 2001?

    If Martin would take as many shots or play as many minutes as other ‘elite-scorers’ he’d probably be right up there with Durant as far as scoring goes.
    People that think Deng is as go or close to Martin from an offensive standpoint obviously don’t pay attention.

  • DavidSternSucks

    *as good

  • William

    As a Rockets fan I would happily trade Martin for Deng, Bogut, Gasol and West. Martin is better than Allen at this stage of Ray’s career.

  • Showtime

    Kevin martin criminal slept on.. he what Rip & Jesus use to be. He doest play defense??? Half wait make that 75% of the league doesn’t. come on now we all now that.. offense sells tickets…

  • Heals

    I probably take Gasol or Bogut over him just cause I see more value in the bigs, but seems like a good spot. Hey showtime, what Jesus used to do, na man he’s still doin and doin it and doin it well, I represent Queens she was… (damn you layup lines)

  • bashmo

    How is sombebody gonna knock on Ray Allen’s defense. He is actually a very good on ball defender with excellent defensive habits. How is Kevin Martin a better player than Ray Allen right now?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Tony Allen deserves to have this spot just as much as Martin…

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