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If I remember correctly, I always thought this track was overrated.
The beat was lazy and nobody really came with it on the mic except for Black Rob and X a little.
But it’s been years since I heard it and I can’t watch the video at work so I may be wrong.
I thought “Money, Power, Respect” and “N*ggaz Done Started Something” were much better Lox/DMX/Ma$e collabos.
Unexpected appearance here. Tho I love it thanks to X’s verse.
I remember being in the XXL office and Brian B-Dot Miller, Khalid, Rob – everyone was talking about how overrated Ma$e’s first album was. B-Dot called it a classic. To this day I don’t understand how anyone could consider any Ma$e album good, much less a classic. This song was the best joint he had on the album, and it’s mainly because of everyone else. “Check ya own videos, you’ll always be number 2!”
This was my ish!!
finally murder gets some air time!@O i bet u didnt even listen to this classic!ma$e was kanye b4 kanye was kanye!he and diddy owned 97!the bad boy era made hip hop mainstream music!ma$e gave an unknown neptunes a chance 2 produce,gave little known dmx 2 tracks to spit on,and even gave that BIG wanna be loser Jay-z a track on there too…the the only reason jay-z spit that wack verse from your post was cuz he was hating that ma$e was outselling him and the only reason people new him is cuz pac called him out on the makaveli album and thought he was part of the firm!call me crazy but i think ma$e would destroy jay in a battle!sleep on the shiny suit if u want but B-dot was right…Harlem World was a classic!
@kobe’sbestfriend – hold the F up now.
“Ma$e was Kanye before Kanye was Kanye”???
I didn’t know Ma$e sat behind the board for YEARS, making dope, classic beats and watching the rappers take all the credit for them.
I didn’t know Ma$e was one of the most innovative and influential producers of all-time.
I didn’t know Ma$e used to “lock himself in a room doin’ five beats a day for three summers”
In other words, before you say someone did something before somebody else did, make sure you recognize everything that the second person did.
Kanye is a rapper and a producer. Ma$e, like most cats, would just jump on a track and spit.
Also, Diddy owned ’97?
Man, Diddy gave Biggie his big break.
Beyond that, making mad money, hosting some dope parties and blowing out J. Lo’s back back in the day, Diddy ain’t never done anything else noteworthy.
Bad Boy did their thing, but pretty much every rapper after Biggie that Bad Boy signed were discovered by someone else.
The Lox came gift-wrapped courtesy of Ruff Ryders.
Ma$e signed with Bad Boys after no one else wanted him.
Shyne was signed after a huge bidding war cause he “sounded like Biggie”.
Loon and G-Dep were wack.
I could go on.
Plus, that cat was foul as hell for how he did Shyne and Black Rob after they were locked up.
Anyways, yo, are you SERIOUS?
Ma$e would destroy Jay? WHAT?!
Only decent verse Ma$e ever had after his Children of the Corn days was on that DMX joint “N*ggaz Done Started Something” I mentioned.
Jay-Z’s forgotten more ill verses than Ma$e will ever spit in his lifetime.
And Harlem World was trash!
It’s cats like you that allowed mainstream rap music to get to where it is today, with wack a$$ dudes like Drake and Lil’ Young whatever on top.
This dude can’t be serious, man….
Say what you want but give him respect…he stepped in 2 a huge void that was left in the label after big died and not only did he hold his own but the company flourished,who else could do that?…and as soon as he retired bad boy basically fell off the map…and ask kanye and he’ll tell u mase was 1 of his influences(oh and he also gave him 1 of his 1st producing job)
and every jay-z verse is a recycled big verse
Please stop and think about what you’re typing.
Ma$e cannot and should not in any way, shape or form, ever be compared to Biggie.
First of all, any number of rappers could’ve came in and kept Bad Boy afloat for a little bit longer after Big’s passing.
You telling me Jay-Z wouldn’t have had Bad Boy selling units post-Biggie?
The Jay-Z who sold a million copies of In My Lifetime Vol. 1 and five million of Vol. 2 shortly after Biggie passed?
Secondly, you act like Ma$e was the only cat on Bad Boy doing his thing.
The Lox and Black Rob were holding their own back then too.
And Bad Boy fell off the map just as much because The Lox left, and Shyne and Black Rob got locked up.
Now, I’ll give you that Ma$e had a big influence on Kanye on the rapping side, but Ma$e could never do what Kanye’s done in the world of rap music.
But I’m not seeing where Ma$e gave Kanye one of his first shots at producing. Unless you’re talking about the “Welcome Back” Remix, which came out in 2004, after Kanye’s debut album.
You do know Kanye had already been making beats for a while by then, right?
I already knew about him since Jay-Z’s “Dynasty” album, almost five years prior.
Sorry, but I can’t respect a guy who called himself “Murda Ma$e” then dropped the ice grill and aight flow for a shiny suit and a wack flow, rhyming over some unimaginative beats courtesy of the Hitmen with their “let’s just take an 80’s song and add a bassline!” style.
That’s like showing love to the Black Eyed Peas for switching up their whole style, going from joints true hip-hop heads could respect, to selling out and snatching up a singing white girl for more sales…
And I’m not convinced you’ve even heard enough Biggie verses or Jay-Z verses, if you’re gonna say EVERY Jay-Z verse is a recycled Biggie verse.
Come on, now.
Do yourself a favor.
Put down that latest Nicki Minaj joint.
Listen to Ready to Die, Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, 36 Chambers, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Doggystyle.
While we’re at it, dig back a little further and get Straight Outta Compton, Midnight Marauders, Criminal Minded, Paid in Full and Long Live the Kane.
And THEN tell me how Ma$e would stack up against them cats.
Trust me, as hard as it may be for you to believe, the joints on those albums are even better than Kobe’s “K.O.B.E.” and Lil’ Wayne’s “Kobe Bryant”!
Co-sign Enigmatic. Harlem World a classic? I’ll give it to Ma$e that he had his moments where he did kill the beat, but in no way, shape or form was Harlem World a classic. Not even a commercial classic. All of the albums Enigmatic mentioned have one song that would destroy Ma$e’s so-called “classic” album. He did forget Hard To Earn, Liquid Swords, The Chronic, The Coming – well, he did name the standout classic hip-hop albums of the 90′s, so I ain’t mad at E. And come on! MaSe eat Jay?! Jay didn’t start falling off till Blueprint 2. I don’t care what anyone says, In My Lifetime Vol 1 was a banger! Only weak joints was that joint with Kim and the joint with Foxy. KBF, step ya rap game up, b.
Back n the day I really tried hard 2 like Mase. Really, really, really hard. I luv his laid back style. But that’s about it. His flows r truly wack, just like Puffy’s. But 2 be fair 2 kobesBESTfriend, “Harlem World” was indeed a commercial classic….in the form of sales. Seemed like every1 copped that album. I think it went like 3x’s platinum or something like that. Bottom line tho, Mase was, and is, truly overrated. That’s all I gotta say. Matic said all that needed 2 b said.
Love the passion Enigmatic, I’m sure those posts could’ve easily been twice as long by the way you were rollin there…
You can hate on Harlem World all you want, but not a commercial classic? What an ignorant statement. Harlem World hit #1 on the billboard 200, US top rap albums, and top canadian albums. debuted at #1 on billboard pop and R&B LP charts.
can’t believe u guys are debatin over this.. mase is wack..and this song too
Co-Sign Slips. Harlem World may not have been your cup of tea, but it was well received by the masses. And Mase was not the first, nor will he be the last person to “sell out” in order to get a record deal. People are so quick to pass judgement. Imagine you’re an up and coming rapper and the dude that put Biggie on comes to you and says sign with me, I’ll make you a star… you just got to throw this shiny suit on. You’d say “no, I’m gonna stay in the hood and spit these grimy flows?” FOH!
Harlem World actually went 4x platinum but who’s counting?and it debuted at #1 which was only the 3rd time a rapper debuted at #1 on his debut album behind snoop and puff.and if jay-z coulda stepped in to big’s spot and hold his own why didn’t he cuz he was out in 97 and if u look at his videos then he was 2nd too and refresh my memory on how many albums the lox and black rob sold to hold their own?jesus is it that hard to respect minister Betha?and you do realize Murda had something big to do with several top artists careers such as cam’ron and the diplomats,eve,nelly,fab,drake,and every rapper that ever rapped hard on an r&b record(that includes Hova too)just 2 name a few and look at Harlem World:the movement album from ’98 you’ll see kanye’s name in the production…not bad for some1 that retired after 2 years in the game huh?and i’d take the black eyed peas success over making joints real hip hop heads could respect any day of the week
Enigmatic you didn’t have to open up the entire can of whoop a)ss. That was just cruel.
And D-France’s post contained a lot of truth.
“Nah, son, I’m going to keep it real and broke.” Hell naw. Shiny suits here I come!
Didn’t even read Enigmatic’s whole post but now that I have, he’s got to chill. I used to be like that with the current crop of rappers. Angry at Solja Boy and Waka Flaka because they weren’t “real hip hop.” But i had to take a step back and ask myself, “who am I to decide what real hip hop is?” Just because I don’t like something, doesn’t make it wack. Just because i like a certain style of rap, doesn’t make the other styles invalid. It’s simple, if you don’t like a style/artist, don’t listen to them. But bashing them for doing what they love the way they want to do it is wrong. And what people fail to realize is that the consumer is a big part of it all. I always hear people say so and so is garbage, but when their favorite artist put out music, they download it illegally. And people got to understand respect from “real hip hop fans” doesn’t pay the bills, money does. Especially in today’s musical landscape where people don’t support artists by actually buying albums, going to shows, or the way EVERYBODY is trying to sing or rap, it’s increasingly harder for an artist to stay true to themselves because spots in the game a few and far between. I may not respect an artist for selling out musically, but I can respect a man/woman for doing what they have to do to earn a living.
I LOL’d when I read this: “Beyond that, making mad money, hosting some dope parties and blowing out J. Lo’s back back in the day, Diddy ain’t never done anything else noteworthy.”
Diddy is the man. haha.
I only buy albums made by Outkast or Cee-Lo. That’s my entire purchase list. But, I’ve stopped downloading music for the most part because I felt that was wrong.
It’s ok to say something is wack. I can say music is wack now, or television, or movies. If I don’t like it, it’s wack to me, and it’s not what I consider “real.”
Other people can disagree and their opinions are valid to them.
I feel, as a fan of the music, I have every right to say this guy’s wack, and that guy’s trash.
We all have that right.
Now, if I were to say, “Drake don’t deserve the money he’s got. Lil Wayne shouldn’t have all them cars”, etc. that’s something else.
I won’t ever hate anyone for getting that money.
But I don’t have to respect their music.
Oh and BTW…
and you do realize Murda had something big to do with several top artists careers such as cam’ron and the diplomats,eve,nelly,fab,drake,and every rapper that ever rapped hard on an r&b record
In other words, most of the rappers I can’t f*cking stand? Great, now I hate dude even more!
F*ck it y’all, I’m a hater. Ha ha!
Let me clarify something real quick. When I said Harlem World wasn’t even a commercial classic, I meant that it didn’t pump out commercial hits as say a No Way Out, The Score or Get Rich or Die Tryin’. Sure, it sold millions of copies, but just like 50′s horrible 2nd album, that was mainly off the strength of pure hype. HW only had two hit singles – Feels So Good and What You Want. Hence, it wasn’t a commercial classic. It sold millions of records, but how many commercial joints did it churn out that people really rocked to? Fugees The Score was a commercial classic (as well as a hip-hop classic), Diddy’s No Way Out was a commercial classic (How many radio bangers did that one produce) and more recently – kinda – 50′s GRODT had a bunch of radio smashes. So no, Harlem World WASN’T a commercial classic.
10 years from now we’ll still be on top
Yes Enigmatic u know what u’re talkin bout..”if i don’t like it, i don’t like it, that don’t mean i’m hatin..” f*ck Mase and all commercial wankers
@treetunks – words to live by from my dude Commen Sense.
*treetrunks. My bad.
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