Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth comin’ atcha…
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Slam you did it again. Classic baby.
Top 5 beat ever.
To bad it has C.L Smooth rapping all over it.
NBA Street! Just got it in the mail. Going to replay it all the way through. Thank God for this beat.
This song, Nas’ “Memory Lane” and Blu’s “In Remembrance of Me” are the ultimate “takes you back to your youth” songs in rap.
What’s wrong with C.L. Smooth?
C.L. boinged his mama ?
Hahaha, CL Smooth is an all-time MC. Very few had his effortless flow. Boing, you’re wildin.
Don’t you ever , EVER ! pull his Lever . word to Fat.
Nothings “wrong” with CL Smooth per se, but this beat deserves Rahkim/Nas/or Jay.
@Fat – whats “alltime”? Is that like an AllStar? As in: “Jamaal Maglore was an AllStar.”
Funny how Puff stole the idea of using the Juicy sample from Pete Rock. Pete Rock doesn’t get enough respect. The Rodney Dangerfield of the hip-hop game. Unappreciated genius…
@Boing – I get what you’re trying to say man, but CL Smooth holds his own.
As far as a great beat being wasted on an undeserving rapper, it’s not like this is anywhere near as bad as Fred Durst rapping over a DJ Premier beat.
Word to Enigmatic. That beat was pretty dope too. Least Meth was on it.
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This song always gets me nostalgic. Absolutely luv it. And yes, we do need sum Em. “The way I am” or “Criminal” would be nice.
Boing, have you listened to Mecca and The Soul Brother album, or even The Main Ingredient(one of my top 3 greatest hip hop albums ever)? In no way, ever, do Pete Rock’s beats dominate CL’s vocals. That’s saying a lot, considering PR might be the greatest producer of all time. “All-time” means that he should be included in any top all-time greatest MC lists.
O, I feel like Extra P is the most underrated ever.
Fat – you talking like, top 50 all time? Cause any higher than 50, and I think you’re a little too enamored with dude. He’s nice, but he should be on the outside looking in on any top 20 or 30 MC’s of all time list.
Shout out to The Pharcyde.
1 of the best songs of the 90′s
Wow, Enig, what does your top 10-15 mc’s look like? He’s definitely top 10 to me.
My top 30, and we’re talking straight up lyrics, not their albums, the quality of the beats they rhymed over, etc.
6. Big Punisher
9. Method Man
10. Ice Cube
11. Chuck D
15. Inspectah Deck
16. Big L
17. Reverend Run
18. Snoop Dogg
19. Andre 3000
21. Mos Def
22. Ghostface Killah
23. Jean Grae
25. Lauryn Hill
27. Black Thought
28. Inspectah Deck
29. Bun B
30. Sean Price
This list was straight off the dome, so I’m sure I’m forgetting some or maybe rating a cat too high or too low here or there, but they all spit better than CL Smooth, IMO.
Still, top 50 all-time? Yo, that’s nothing to sneeze at either, homie.
Damn, I meant to put Raekwon at number 28, not Inspectah Deck twice. My bad.
Much respect to that list.
Even if we do not fully agree on where some emcees rank.
One of the best songs ever; also a personal favorite. CLASSIC.
Lol Enigmatic….you got a top 30 off the top of the dome? I struggle with my top 10, let alone 30
Black Thought is the most under rated rapper in history.
As far as KRS 1 goes, i know he has the whole “hiphop godfather/forefather” thing going for him, but hes not a very good rapper at all, his bars are downright basic. Rev Run falls into the same catagory & Chuck D has 1 foot in there too.
@ Enigmatic: No way are half the guys in your top 25 better than O.C. Also, KRS-One in his prime would demolish anyone in the top 6 if it ever came to an actual battle (aside from Nas probably).
And CL Smooth > Bun B, Jean Grae, and Eminem. CL Smooth is a great rapper, definitely top 20. He’s been consistently better than Snoop Dogg too. Other than Doggystyle, what has Snoop done?
@ Boing Dynasty: “his bars are downright basic” WTF?!?!?!?! How many BDP albums have you heard? Probably “Criminal Minded” and “By Any Means Necessary”, right? Geez, man the albums after BAMN were insane.
I should’ve added Beanie Sigel to my list. Dude is a beast.
Also, I said this in the other thread yesterday, but in the Best Producers Ever discussion, no one mentioned Prince Paul!
And whether or not you think CL Smooth is a great MC or not, that’s irrelevant when discussing T.R.O.Y. because he wrote one of the best songs ever here. The beat is one thing; the dedication to his family and friend is another. Just a beautiful song on all levels.
Teddy – I been listening to a lot of OC the past couple days cause, yo, itunes is selling Word…Life and Jewelz TOGETHER for $8 so I copped that super-quick. I think he could creep up to the top 20, no doubt.
Snoop can come correct still when he wants to, he just lacks the effort now. Dude makes millions off a simple flow so he abandoned the complexity he showed on Doggystyle.
Basically, he did like Jay-Z said on the Black Album (“I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars….”)
And you beat me to it with KRS. I was gonna say dude needs to listen to BDP-era KRS.
But no way would dude “demolish” Biggie, Nas, Rakim or Big Pun.
Biggie, Nas and Rakim would eat dude alive…figuratively.
Big Pun (RIP) might’ve eaten dude alive literally too (bad joke, sorry, couldn’t resist).
But again, all that is just my opinion.
@ Schneezy – Post OC’s “Times up”, please. Been banging my head to that one a lot lately.
@Enigmatic, any list that has Nas at the top is fine by me. Great choice.
Also, you’re underrating Eminem and Jean Grae. I haven’t been a fan of Eminem since his second album, but the dude can spit.
Jean Grae might be the greatest female MC ever, listen to her verses on Immortal Technique’s “The Illest” and “Swing Blades” with Cannibal Ox.
@ Enigmatic: No doubt on O.C., the only reason “Word…Life” isn’t as recognized today is because it dropped the same year as “Illmatic.” It’s a shame too, because it was on the same level of complexity and quality.
Also, he was signed to Serch’s label (Wild Pitch), which put out a string of classics that nobody bought…
Damn, dude said his momma had five babies and a dude still married her. That’s a good dude.
And Andre 3000 is WAY to low on Enigmatic’s list. What’s up with that foolishness? Snoop ain’t gone hard for real since Doggystyle. that Blue Carpet Treatment had like four decent tracks. Lol.
Outside of Fat Joe and Big L, the entire DITC crew has always been criminally underrated.
Ha, I KNEW AllenP wouldn’t be happy with where I placed Andre 3000 on that list.
But hey, many cats I know wouldn’t even include any southern MC’s on their lists, which I think is wrong.
Well, I’m an unabashed Three Stacks fan and I think that people really, really don’t appreciate what he does. But rappers do.
@ Allenp: I agree, but I think he meant that his mom was the youngest of 5 kids. She only had him and his baby sister. Still though, two kids–he is a good man.
One of the things that irks me about today’s rap game is that it’s SO hard for an aspiring MC to just put out a real album. The mixtape game is okay, but there’s something seriously messed up when an artist works for 5 years, makes like fifty mixtapes, and doesn’t drop a SINGLE album. Everyone is working on putting out as much material as they can instead of focusing on making quality records.
Just release a f*cking album already!
easily one of the greatest hip-hop songs of all time, easily THE greatest song to play ball to (much love to NBA street vol.2) Classic, pure nostalgia FLOODS the mind everytime i listen, never gets old! This is some real sh** now, when i popped in vol.2 for the first time 3 years back, i wasn’t into hip-hop at at all, but when i heard the intro to T.R.O.Y. I was instantly mesmerized. It’s a genre that has not, as far as I’m concerned, been discovered or created so far. It’s a deep blend of soul, jazz, funk, gospel, and hip-hop (of course). From that point on i fell in love with all the old REAL works from the ’80′s and ’90′s. This is a level of real that at the time in 1992 wasn’t reached before, many have come close (closest i can think that may be on par to this is “I gotcha open” by Black Moon, which features another ill instrumental) all in all… this is where it is, nuff said
Again late to the party (this lock-out is f*cking up my web-habits), but enjoyed reading the comment-section. Rarely are their no annoying comments in a comment-section, this was one of those rare times. Enigmatic, impressive list of the top of your head and like you mentioned, you forgot at least one guy: Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal. If this is an US MC list I am pretty much in agreement (probably also forgetting someone) but if this is All-Time MC’s list some of the French cats from IAM should be cracking the list. For those of you who don’t know check out IAM’s album ‘L’École du micro d’argent’, that is one heck of a heeephop album.
I was never a huge Guru fan (RIP). I loved Gang Starr mostly cause of Premo.
Enig!? No Phonte!?? He just might be the most underrated of all time, outside of hip hop heads.
That man has bars. As does Elzhi.
And Sean P is a monster!
Classic track!! All you need is a court a 40 ounce and something to burn!! Life is good
The Main Ingredient! Takes me back to when I boosted it from my uncles collection of CDs and never stopped listening. Not bad for a dude all the way from NZ in the early 90′s
I’m a little more old-school(ish). My list, like you just off the top of the dome looks like this:
3) Kool G
5) Chuck D
6) Lord Finesse
With honorable mentions to Guru, Black Thought, Common, Pac, Mighty Mos, and Rick The Ruler.
damn enigmatic’s taste ain’t no joke! but, i’m sorry, dude, you forgot the BEST mc of ‘em all: pharoah fu@@@#n monch
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