Tuesday, August 2nd, 2011 at 3:15 pm  |  28 responses

Players’ Union Responds To NBA Lockout Lawsuit

With the NBA making accusations of “unfair labor practices,” Players Union director Billy Hunter had to come with a quick counter: “‘The litigation tactics of the NBA today are just another example of their bad faith bargaining and we will seek the complete dismissal of the actions as they are totally without merit,’ said Hunter in a statement. ‘The NBA Players Association has not made any decision to disclaim its role as the collective bargaining representative of the players and has been engaged in good faith bargaining with the NBA for over two years. We urge the NBA to engage with us at the bargaining table and to use more productively the short time we have left before the 2011-12 season is seriously jeopardized.’”

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  • http://twitter.com/4point0show Wes

    Its almost sounds like Obama “taking on Wall Street”

  • Jer dawg

    Stern has got nerves to sue first. It’s like Gov’t suing us common folks for their fiscal irresponsibility. They want us to pay more taxes and we will wind up getting it in the @$$ after all it’s said & done. Stern and Obama has got lots of answering to do.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^That comparison makes no sense. Does your family make more than $250,000 a year? Do you make more than $120,000 as a single person? If not, then your taxes are lower, not higher.
    The fiscal irresponsibility that led to the current financial situation is the largest military in the world. That’s pretty much it. And from what I’ve seen, most people who have a problem with deficits and the like love a big military. So they’re hypocrites. They want to fix the problem without addressing the root cause.

  • http://twitter.com/4point0show Wes

    @AllenP exactly. But if you have the most money, 9x/10 it doesn’t matter if you’re right. You just say and do what you want.

  • andre anglais

    “the largest military in the world”
    well, that and the fact that the richest 1% of the country control 40% of the wealth (and pay the least tax ~ 15% on capital gains).
    Say all that you want about spending, but tax revenues for America are at the lowest level in 60 years.


    The whole time only stern was talking about the possibilities of losing games(and offcourse it was to bully the players) but now even Hunter said ‘We urge the NBA to engage with us at the bargaining table and to use more productively the short time we have left before the 2011-12 season is seriously jeopardized’ which means that players are seriously ready to miss games too. As a heat fan i’ll be crushed if that’s the case

  • bull22

    what??? did not billy hunter say the players have his approval to play overseas and tell them all to get the freak out of the nba…. man now that his paycheck is being threatened he wants to negotiate, LOL!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^ The League’s lawsuit means that Hunter’s salary will NOT be jeopardized. The NBA wants to prevent the union from decertifying, that means the League wants to prevent it from dissolving. Hunter would only lose his job, potentially, if the union dissolved. As long as the union is in place, he would be allowed to collect his money.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    F all this lockout bs

  • gb

    a lockout temporarily works is sterns favor one many levels. less the owners will loose some money, but in the long run the league isn’t going anywhere. since the lockout has started and more and more players are going/planning going overseas the nba has become more marketable internationally than ever before (something that stern has been pushing for a long time). with the second have of the wnba season upon us and a lockout in full swing if people want to watch basketball the wnba, particularly the playoffs have the potential to receive more media coverage (something that stern has been pushing for a long time). also should any part of the season get cancelled, the next viable source for professional ball becomes the fledgling d-league, (something that stern has been pushing for a long time).

    this is not a conspiracy theory or anything like that, i’m just saying.

    also if someone else has already brought these ideas up, i would humbly like to present these has reiteration.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Word to AllenP. I’ve never understood the need for such a big military force during a time like this, I understand if this was the 1940s and WW2 was about to break out but it’s 2011 for heavens sake. Why the hell is America fighting 3 different wars at the same time? It’s seemed like attacking Afghan wasn’t enough to quench our thirst for blood, so we attacked Iraq, well that wasn’t enough, so we’ve joined in on attacking Libya. Countries like China, Brazil and India are focused entirely on improving their economy while the US is focused on “protecting” freedom around the globe. What a crock of sh*t.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I DO NOT want to get into Politics, but to say that the military is the reason for our deficit is beyond rediculous. You don’t think that grants and social care and special groups have anything to do with it? What about required Art in most major cities spending. 2 million dollars for a bathroom rest stop makes sense? Just think about it. Military needs to be cut in half, yes. So does 90% of all goverment. Ron Paul 2012!!!!! Please don’t respond to this.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lake Show
    I”m going to respond because you’re saying gibberish.
    Clearly you have not taken the time to examine the federal budget. The largest expenditures have always been on the military. And that was before we had two wars going on “off the books” so that their true costs didn’t have to be included in the federal budget.
    I urge you to just do the very minimum of research by Googling “military budget” and “deficit.”
    Watch what pops up.
    Here is a taste:
    “At $649 billion, the Pentagon’s budget amounts to more government spending than all other federal agencies combined. This price tag also accounts for over 50 percent of all unrestricted spending in the federal budget. In fact, this level of spending approaches 45 percent of global defense spending, almost as much as every other country on the planet combined.”
    Sure Medicare and Social Security need to be addressed particularly with the Boomers preparing to cash in, but the real problem is defense. And nobody wants to discuss it because that’s how rich people get richer.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Fair enough. I just hate simplifying something like the National Deficit into, “it’s the militarys fault.” Yes it is the most rediculous thing in our budget by the numbers, but the US also(wether we agree or like it) feels as if it is litterally the one military defense hope for the World. When someone bad comes along, who takes care of it? Adolf Hitler(sure the soviets did it, but we all know what would have happened without US help), Emperor Hirohito, Fidel Castro, Pablo Escobar, Suddam Hussein, Osama Bin Ladin. I don’t agree with any political side. The whole government is corrupt(okay fine ‘most’) but I feel that a large military is better than a small military. BUUUUT, I am a libertarian. I think that everything should be astronomically cut. I don’t like the majority of government spending. So to finalize everything… I don’t think YOU or anyone is wrong that doesn’t like the spending on Military, but I think it’s rediculous to act like that is our problem. It is the head of a very large serpent. IMO, but i appreaciate people that care about the situation(on the same page as me or not)over those who just DO NOT CARE.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I don’t remember anyone ever “taking care of” Fidel Castro and when was Pablo Escobar ever a military leader?
    Enough with the nonsense, cut military spending by 60% and end the so-called “War on Drugs”.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So you have to be a “Military Leader” to be a bad guy? The war on drugs is one of the libertaians main concerns. Stop criminalizing people who don’t hurt other people.

  • EJ

    Shouldv’e listened to Eisenhower. And LakeShow, the US military is not that gigantic incase of someone bad shows up, it’s huge cause a lot of people make a lot of money from it. And those people “donate” to the campaigns of politicians, so that they’d send more troops somewhere Middle-East. And then they make tons of money from it.
    That system just doesn’t work, or it’s not the system that America is based on, but the system is taken advantage of by some very greedy rich people. Too much capitalism turns to corporatism.(IDK if I said some things wrong, I’m not 100% sure of my english and knowledge of US politics, but it goes somewhere along those lines)

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    @lake show, it’s all hypocracy on the gov part in the first place. Who adided osama and saddam and the likes in the first place b4 they became “our enemy”? It’s all just too keep the war machine going and going. Sure it hursts the country and its citizens, but they don’t give a %&#@! If there is a war going on u have some people in the states making tons of money, since they r involved in the companies that have contracts with the military, at the expense of citizens, which is………can’t find a word for it that is negative enough.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Allenp 100% on the military. Military spending in the United States is an absolute joke.
    @ Lake Show: It’s not about NOT having a military, it’s about one country not having to out spend the ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD COMBINED when it comes to the military.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m not saying all conservatives are nut-jobs. Only the ones who support spending cuts to things that actually impact citizens daily, like infrastructure, healthcare, and education, yet still advocate huge amounts of spending on the military and bigger prisons. And then they have the nerve to pretend that they’re fiscally responsible. That really p!sses me off.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The war on Libya is a joke. Gaddafi isn’t exactly a “swell guy” but the rebels might actually be worse. They’ve been literally lynching black Libyans and yet no one in the Western media is reporting this. The lynchings are a result of propaganda by CNN and other media outlets that claimed Gaddafi had hired “African mercenaries” from other countries–even though, according Human Rights Watch, there existed NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of this claim. So pretty much black Libyans are being mistaken for mercenaries that never even existed, and are being killed.
    What we aren’t being told is that millions still support Gaddafi, unlike what happened in Egypt and Tunisia (and what’s happening in other places in the Middle East), and that he’s been distributing free guns to pretty much all the residents of Tripoli. Does a dictator handing out guns to civilians really seem like someone who lacks support from his people?
    Also, Libyan rebels have admitted to the British that there are Al Qaeda members in their ranks. The rebel leader was actually assassinated a few days ago, and people believe it may have been carried out by Al Qaeda members who wanted more control over the anti-Gaddafi movement. So basically NATO (primarily France and England, with help from America) is bombing Libya to weed out Gaddafi and replace him with full-blown Islamic fundamentalists. Does that sound humanitarian to you? Good, because it isn’t; it’s purely business.
    But it fits the pattern of NATO’s history: working with Al Qaeda, then fighting them, then working with them again.
    The media only uses the “threat” of Muslim extremists to get the general populace to support wars that benefit the West, because the governments know they can’t just randomly f*ck a country up without a good excuse.
    Oddly enough, Britain has a long history of supporting Islamic fundamentalists and putting them in positions of power so that they remain loyal to the colonialist “motherland”. The Islamist Northern Sudan was so damn strong because, before the Sudanese gained independence from Britain, the British set up institutions that benefited the North (Arabs) and under-represented the South (mainly blacks). This led to North/South tensions and the civil wars, which then led to genocide.
    So yeah, in other words: F*CK NATO.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry, more ranting. It’s late (early) as hell and I’m a little sleep deprived…
    On the topic of spending, the United States has more than enough money and resources to improve every sector of the country. It’s ridiculous to expect a government NOT to spend on it’s citizens. Because think of how much money taxpayers would save if the government actually funded public education to where it needs to be, and crime, prison sentences, and poverty were reduced. Think about it!
    I mean, that’s as libertarian as it gets: a nation producing people that can sustain themselves without having to be raised by the state. Think about it!
    But the right-wing, neoconservative nut jobs (not to be confused with reasonable conservatives) of America continue to con us into thinking that they care about adopting a reasonable fiscal policy. They don’t give a sh!t about that. Otherwise they wouldn’t be supporting the War on Drugs, the Three Strikes Laws, and other bullsh!t policies that waste tax dollars to cage human beings.
    And another thing that p!sses me off about neo-cons and the rest of the Christian Right. They act like they’re bringing America back to the roots of the forefathers, but they only want freedom and less government intervention when it comes to the MARKET. For everything else outside of the economy, they’re always in everyone else’s business, trying to tell other people how live their lives. I mean, the forefathers drafted the constitution SPECIFICALLY to prevent people from imposing their way of life on others (at least in theory–the forefathers weren’t exactly saints either).
    The same people trying to save fetuses from being aborted are advocating we send young Americans to kill and die overseas. SMH.

  • EJ

    Has the Breivik incident changed the attitudes of the American media and people, towards neoconservatives and fundamentalist christians? Some people say that Breivik’s not a christian, cause he’s a terrorist. Fox news claimed the same thing, and that he doesn’t represent all neoconservatives (which is true), but their logic on muslim terrorists isn’t exactly the same (Al Qaeda=muslims->muslims=terrorists).

  • seriousblack

    Hate to talk politics but anyone who doesn’t recognize that our military budget is an out of control burden on our economy is a fool and willfully ignorant. Google just how much money we waste on private security, unecessary and unused weapons, and unused tanks and planes. Defense contractors and their politician puppets are the leeches on public funds that have managed to remain in the background while they collect checks. Billions of tax dollars are wasted on unnecessary defense contracts, and Bush and his GOP buddies opened the door for that. Obama needs to reign in military spending. Imagine how many Efraim Diverolis there are still getting over on the public for those defense dollars.

  • seriousblack

    EJ: Smart folks have always felt the same way about neocons and fundamentalists (of all religious backgrounds), even before Breiviks. The hypocrites at Fox are so backwards that there’s no good reason to watch their “news” and talkshows unless you want to point and laugh histerically, or get angry.

  • http://forbes.com giogolo

    i like how the comments evolve completely away from the main topic such as sports bylaws and into a whole new world of dirty politics.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ EJ: Your English is perfect. Smart men, you and seriousblack. Actually there are a lot of smart people on this thread. Good on you.