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Friday, September 16th, 2011 at 11:25 am  |  40 responses

Layup Lines: LL Cool J

Behind every playa is a true playette

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I have yet to find a better laying it down song than “Doin’ it”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Mama said knock you down!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I’m the type of guy to eat when he won’t, and lick you in places that your boyfriend don’t. Your the type of guy to try to call me a punk. Not knowin that your main girls bitin my chunk. Ha ha.

  • O

    Seriously? “Phenomenon”? Really? Like he never made “I Shot Ya,” “I’m Bad,” “Who Do You Love,” or even “1,2,3,4.” Sure, he had the wackest verse, but “Phenomenon”??? I officially gave up on LL when he dropped that joint…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84LUpG6ieis&ob=av3e IAMORANGE4EVER

    I know I told you that I’d be true, but Tina got a Big Ole’ Butt, so I’m leaving you!

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    @ O. The Phenomenon beat is CRAZY.

  • T-Ray

    Yea Phenomenon isn’t that lyrical but that is one of my favorite joints that song bangs in the trunk!

  • Bmack

    Second round knockout…enough said.

  • riggs

    i kill knock you out when i play the def jam rap star

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @BMack – “The Ripper Strikes Back”…enough said.

  • Bmack

    @engimatic, It was good, i’ll admit that. However, I felt that given the circumstances of how LL treated Bus on 1,2,3,4 that not only was Canibus diss track warranted, but that it had more fire in it then LL’s.
    I still get chills when the beat stops and he goes in with that verse that starts with “watch me rip the tat from your arm…”

  • Heals

    Pink cookies in plastic bag, getting crushed by buildings…

  • HAMMER

    “Don’t u evah, evah pull my levah/Cuz I explooode/And my 9 is easy to load”! Pure, raw dopeness. One of the greats, and not a bad actor either. And where’s Cannibus?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I agree it was wack for LL to tell Canibus to re-record his rhymes on “4, 3, 2, 1” and then make his own verse dissing Bus on the same track, and “Second Round K.O.” was dope, I LOVE the beat.
    But I really do think LL got the better of him on “Ripper Strikes Back”.
    Canibus basically came off as a groupie scorned on “K.O.”, I mean him going on about reading LL’s book and studying it sounds more like a stan than anything else. I just thought he could’ve came with it more.
    Plus having Tyson on the track I thought was wack too. What the hell does Mike Tyson have to do with your battle with LL?
    But it’s one of those beefs where there was no clear-cut winner obviously. I think LL won, you think Canibus won, but no one diss track was that much better than the other.

  • O

    Canibus had SO much promise and overall momentum going for him… until his album dropped. There were like 3 OK tracks and “Second Round K.O.” But LL was never the same after “Phenomenon” and “Headsprung.” Speaking of which, does ANYONE know why 2Pac was going hard at LL on “Lil’ Homies”?? I never understood that…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @O – ‘Pac took it the wrong way when LL came out with that song “I Shot Ya”.
    Since Pac was convinced Biggie’s “Who Shot Ya” was a subliminal diss aimed at him, he subsequently felt the same way about “I Shot Ya”.
    Plus Prodigy of Mobb Deep was on the remix.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Also, a lot of people think Pac just went at LL cause he had it out for all East Coast MC’s in general, but that’s just not true.
    In fact, Pac and the Outlawz were down with the Boot Camp Click (Smif-N-Wessun, Heltah Skeltah and all them cats) and were actually gonna drop an album together.

  • logues

    i love how pac/biggie/bone-thugs get one song, and ll freakin cool j gets 4. cmon now. if anything, shoulda put “aint no stoppin this”

  • O

    Good lookin Enigmatic. I remember that and was actually hype about that One Nation album with BootCamp Click. Thanks to the thousand Makaveli bootleg albums that dropped, I have a few songs that leaked from that project (Brothaz at Armz, Military Minded & World Wide Dime Piece). I remember that heads thought LL was going at Biggie on “I Shot Ya.” But then he dropped that joint with Total and people just forgot about it. Didn’t Ghost Face diss Pac on “Verbal Intercourse” too? “Don’t wanna see Tupac! Got too spots in Newlots, flooded with rocks…”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The lyrics before that went “Thousands of cracks bagged up inside the shoebox/don’t keep jack in my lap/don’t wanna see 2Pac”.
    Since 2Pac was locked up at Clinton Correctional at the time, I always interpreted it as Ghost saying he wasn’t trying to get caught and end up locked up like Pac.

  • O

    Hmmmmm, ok Enig. You prolly right.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I wish they would release some of the Makaveli bootleg songs on an actual album. I know they went ahead and released some of the songs, but with wack production, not the original beats.
    How dope would it be if they released an album with all these tracks, all with original production the way Pac intended? –

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Back to LL though, he had mad battles with other rappers (Kool Moe Dee, Canibus, etc.) and so did Ice Cube (Common, B-Real, etc.) that I always thought it was inevitable the two would butt heads and battle one another.
    But it never happened, and it would be wack if it happened now

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    Canibus album sucked, and then he tried to lay it into Eminem, which was a bad move, because Em murdered him with his disses. Thats why Canibus didnt gain his potential.

  • O

    Co-sign Enigmatic. Those Makaveli albums had some CLASSICS and BANGERS. “Still I Rise,” “Life I Lead,” “Thugs Cry,” “When We Ride On Our Enemies” (Who knew he was mad at the Fugees? Any opinions?), “F*ckin’ Wit The Wrong N*gga,” etc. Those originals were off the meatrack. The newly produced ones were hella weak. Even Eminem couldn’t do Pac justice on that Loyal To The Game album.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Common Sense owned Ice Cube.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Funny story: Tim Dog (of “Eff Compton” fame) was friends with Tupac.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    ‘Pac’s beef with the Fugees was kinda complicated.
    For one, they dissed him in the media, or so he felt.
    Also, they were down with two non-rappers who were enemies of Pac – Haitain Jack and Jimmy Henchmen. Pac mentioned both of them in “Against All Odds”.
    Some cat locked up recently claimed he was paid by Jimmy Henchmen to rob and shoot Pac back in that NY studio shooting.

  • MikeC.

    I know I’m gonna take heat for this, but Tupac was overrated. If he hadn’t been killed, he would have faded out of the game after another album or two. Dying is the best thing an artist can do for their legacy.

  • MikeC.

    Greatest rapper of all time = KRS-One!!!

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    ^ Are you insane, Pac was the GOAT, and best alive is Em.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, Pac was the man.
    Lyrically, there were better MC’s. Sure.
    But dude made you FEEL his songs, you know?
    But to each their own.
    Hell, many believe Lil Wayne is the GOAT nowadays. F is up with that?

  • SKITTLESO5

    the best nowadays is a guy named BIG K.R.I.T….does his own production too, GOAT though is Biggie, although Pacs PAIN is my favourite song

  • youngmuggsy

    How about some Cannibal Corpse next time. Just a thought.

  • MikeC.

    Big Ghost?

  • BOSS

    PAC IS THE GOAT!!!!!! HANDS DOWN….COME ON……AINT NO RAPPER NEAR PAC..AND NEVER WILL BE…..DUDES THAT DONT EVEN LIKE RAP RESPECT PAC….R.I.P

    CANIBUS IS ALSO A MONSTAR!!!!!! HIS A BEAST….

  • Bmack

    @Enigmatic, True usually their is no clear cut winner. However I think we can all agree if we could ever say that there was one, it would be “Ether”

  • Bmack

    @Enigmatic, True usually their is no clear cut winner. However I think we can all agree if we could ever say that there was one, it would be “Ether”

  • MikeC.

    Tupac started off very nice. Kind of a West Coast Chuck D/NWA. Politically charged with a healthy dose of violence. When he got with Death Row, it was over. He turned into another typical, run of the mill gangsta rapper with nothing to say unless it was about “riding on his enemies” and “bustin’ caps”. He turned into white noise. His “immortal legacy” was created by his death. If he has lived, I seriously doubt he’d even be in the conversation for top-25 must less best ever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    LL WAS OK. ‘IM BAD’ WAS SICK. ‘WHO DO YOU LOVE WAS A NICE MELLOW ONE’. ……….PAC? PAC WAS FAKE. HE WAS A GOOFY ARTS KID. HE WAS FAKING ALL THAT GANGSTER STUFF.

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