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http://nba.com GP23

1. Stan – Em
2. Juicy – Big
3. Dear Mama – 2pac
4. I used to love H.E.R – Common
5. Put it on – Big L
6. Halftime – Nas
7. Nothin’ but a G thang – Dre/Snoop
8. C.R.E.A.M – Wu Tang
9. Childrens Story – Slick Rick
10. I ain’t no joke – Rakim
this is off the dome though.. i could of gave it more thought, but all these are dope !

http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

SMH why people stay hating on the 2000′s acting like there was nothing great or no classics to come from this era? Acting like there wasnt a bunch of garbage in the 90′s as well

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Cuase there’s no classics to come from this era.
Name one.

O

Enig, real DOPE list. When it came to Pun, it was a toss up between Beware, You ain’t a Killa and Dream Shatterer. And Beatnuts are crazy underrated producers. Off The Books beat is one of my top 10, but mostly cause Pun ATE that track. GP3, you got some f*ckin great picks in yours too. Stan, Dear Mama, Children’s Story and CREAM are like hip-hop stables. Or at least they should be to these generations of hip-hoppers. It’s funny cause an “Honorable Mentions” list would be longer than just 10 joints. That’s word.

http://slamonline.com Tae

Dre is a bi sexual pus*y

O

@ Kevin, cause even the hot garbage of the 90′s is still better than today’s hits.

HAMMER

Co-sign what Enigmatic said.
Im not putting down Millennium rap. No doubt there have been some great songs.
But when one stacks them up against 90′s & 80′s rap, it doesn’t come close.
I mean Jigga’s “Blueprint”, which is a classic, doesn’t have a single top 20 hip-hop song of all-time.
Little Brother, which I absolutely love, honestly u can’t say that they have a top 20 in them either.
Just a couple examples.

golden state

heres my list in no order:
warren g – this dj
david banner – cadillac on 22′s
nas – world is yours
nas – street dreams remix
wu tang – can it be so simple
gangstarr – mass appeal
outkast – southernplayalistic
bone thugs – crossroads
jay z – politics as usual
devin the dude – what a job

HAMMER

Here’s my list, no particular order:

“Juicy”-Biggie
“Hail Mary”-Tupac
“Life’s a b!tch”-Nas
“Let the funk flow”-EPMD
“Punks jump up”-Brand Nu
“Triumph”-Wu Tang
“Step into a world”-KRS-One
“Come clean”-Jeru the Damaja
“Wicked”-Ice Cube
“White lines”-Grand Master Flash

golden state

honorable mention:
dr.dre – still dre
souls of mischief – 93 til infinity
tribe called quest – we got the jazz
AZ – sugar hill
talib kweli & mos def – thieves in the night

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

@ Enigmatic: Sure, RZA’s peak was for a somewhat short span of time… But don’t you think that applies to Dre as well?

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

And yes, RZA > Dre. G-Funk itself is very very limited… Sorry to the West Coast rap fans out there–but there was/is so much beyond G-Funk from the West, so you shouldn’t even be offended by that. Nowadays any beat by Dr. Dre is sort of like his “Beats by Dr. Dre” headphones… You know it’s gonna be a moneymaker, but it’s going to be over-hyped and not that great…

golden state

i thinks its interesting how we have different joints from wu-tang, nas, and biggie on our lists..just shows their incredible skills.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Teddy – Dre was at his best from about ’88 to ’96. RZA from ’93 to ’97. Like I said, RZA was better, but for a shorter amount of time.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

WTF my top ten beats list won’t post, but @golden state- love that you mentioned Devin the Dude.
I wouldn’t say he’s an all-time great, but he is definitely underrated!

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

Also, after all these discussions on the best producers in hip-hop, cats are still sleeping on Prince Paul!

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

@ Enigmatic: No disrespect, but I don’t really know what that means. Even if RZA’s peak lasted four years (which I disagree with), his stuff is still so much better than Dre’s, that there never was a period where you could say Dr. Dre > RZA. Unless you count 1988 when RZA probably wasn’t producing. Not even now, when both are past their primes.
Also, I disagree with that because RZA’s production on Masta Killa’s debut was very very good. Not OB4CL good, but still better than Dre post-2000.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Let me try again. Had a nice numbered long list with explanations of why I like each beat and who produced it but whatever…
Nas – “One Love”
Jay-Z – “December 4th (9th Wonder Remix)
M.O.P. – “Here Today, Gone Tomorrow”
Kanye West – “Jesus Walks”
Pete Rock & CL Smooth – “T.R.O.Y.”
Mobb Deep – “Drop a Gem on Em”
Elzhi – “Talking in my Sleep”
Nas – “Nas is Like”
M.O.P. – “Breakin’ the Rules”
Atmosphere – “Little Man”

O

Honorable Mentions:

Juicy – Biggie
Scenario – A Tribe Called Quest
Passin’ Me By – Pharcyde
So Much Pain (Above The Rim sountrack) – Tupac
360 Degree – Grand Puba
Everything’s Going To Be Alright – Naughty By Nature
Players Anthem – Junior Mafia
Bucktown – Smif-N-Wessun
93 till Infinity – Souls of Mischief
Summer Time – Will Smith
Hard Knock Life – Jay-Z
Dead Presidents – Jay-Z
One Love – Nas
Represent – Nas
Can It Be All So Simple – Wu-Tang
Shadow Boxin’ – Gza feat. Method Man
All I Need – Method Man

Seriously, I can keep going…

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Teddy, his production being “so much better” than Dre’s is definitely a matter of opinion, I mean, many experts believe The Chronic is the best produced album of all time.
Not sure if I’d go there, but it’s up there.

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

Okay nvm, I see what you’re saying. But even if Dre was good for a longer period of time, we should look at the albums produced.
Dre: “Straight Outta Compton,” “No One Can Do it Better,” “Efil4zaggin,” The Chronic,” and “Doggystyle.”
RZA: “Enter the Wu-Tang,” “Tical,” “Return to the 36 Chambers,” “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx,” “Liquid Swords,” and “Ironman.”
Not to mention “Supreme Clientele,” which RZA didn’t produce alone but still influenced the overall sound. RZA hasn’t fallen off as much as you think.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Teddy, I’ll admit I haven’t heard Master Killer’s joint. I’ll check that out.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

*Masta Killa. LOL was thinking of the old Martial Arts movie for some reason.

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

Oh, and Dre Day is a tight song, but as a diss record it was nothing compared to Tim Dog’s “F*ck Compton.” No disrespect to Compton or the West Coast, but Tim Dog completely sh!t on Death Row, DJ Quik, Compton’s Most Wanted, etc.
Top 5 diss records of all time. Hands down.

O

Dope list Enig. Here’s my top 10 beat list:

Mass Appeal – DJ Premier
CREAM – RZA
G Thang – Dr. Dre
Scenario – Tribe
P.S.A – Just Blaze
The Hardest Word – Diz Gibran joint, but i’m not sure who produced it.
Off The Books – Beatnuts
Everyday People – Speech
Who Shot Ya – Nashiem Myrick & Puff
Last Dayz – Fredro Starr

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

@ Enigmatic: haha yeah that’s where he got his name from, I think. You’ll probably like it, though the rapping isn’t that amazing. The song to check for is called “No Said Date.” Great beat by RZA.
I have to admit that I first heard it a while ago when I had a Wu-Tang obsession, and I liked it back then, but I haven’t heard it for a long time… So maybe it’s not as good as I say it is.
DOPE lists, btw.

O

Word to Teddy-The-Bear. That’s what i’m always sayin’. Dr. Dre had dope beats and is still an in-demand producer, but look at RZA’s catalog in that short amount of time. Just ridiculous. Sounds, samples, drums – just incredible. I really have to start a hip-hop blog and start these debates everyday. LOL. This is just block talk to me and my peeps. We stay arguing about producers, rappers, albums, etc. I have a dope album vs album argument we stay having on the block. I’ll save it for next week sometime…

http://nba.com GP23

Don’t forget Marley Marl, he was dope for real..

O

Speaking of producers, I LOVED Jigga’s original idea for the Blackout album. 12 songs, 12 producers. He had a DOPE list of producers, but then stuck to Blaze, Kanye and Neptunes for the most part. Disappointing…

blakos

Um top ten in order my shaped by moments in my life Note i come from NZ so my perspective will most likely be different. Oh and this list could just go on.

1. Skills – Gangstar
2. Shook Ones II – Mobb Deep
3. Electric Relaxation – Tribe Called Quest
4 Juicy – Biggie
5. Cold World – GZA
6. Sweet Dreams – Nas
7. It was a good Day – Ice Cube
8. Aint no fun – Snoop
9. I aint mad at ya – 2pac
10 Steel Magnolia – Cypress Hill

blakos

Lets not get into honorable mentions. Could be here all day

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

WTF, nothing worse than when your comments aren’t showing up during a dope convo…

http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

@ blakos: Co-sign on that “Shook Ones II” and “Cold World” by GZA… Dope dope dope!

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

O, how many Eminem sta…er, I mean fans you think seen our lists and said “WTF is ‘Time’s up’ and ‘Last Dayz”, then go home to watch 8 Mile talking about “I love these beats!”
LMAO

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

damn too hard to do a top ten but fook it:
land of the heartless-bone thugs
used to love her-common
yall don’t really hear me tho -fabolous
relaxation- fashawn
no hook- jay z
my way home- common
hurt me soul- lupe fiasco
the message- nas
everyday struggles- notorious big
spm diaries- spm
you never know- immortal technique
murder to excellence- jay and kanye
paperchase- do or die
magic- psychodrama i know that’s more than ten but i got a CPS edumacation so i dont give a f*ck

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

wtf where my comments at bruh

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

@blakos and everyone else – I just feel the need to throw this out there…does anyone have any idea why non-American rap fans know their sh*t more than like 70% of US rap fans?
Think about it.
Cats like Mos Def or Common will get slept on state-side, then go to Europe or Asia and get MAD love.
When I lived in Japan, I used to cop the Japanese rappers’ albums.
Could only understand like one out of every 5 words, but the beats were ON POINT.
Thanks to the internet, we can talk to people all over the world, and it seems like Europeans and Asians really know their hip-hop.
Not just rap, but they’re down with the culture – the beatboxing, the b-boying, the DJing, the graffiti.
Anyone know why?

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

LMAO @ cheecagomayne.
Yo, the Do or Die and the Psychodrama joints are DOPE.
Personally, my favorite Do or Die track is “Playa Like me and You”. Sh*t was smooth as hell.
Man, I could go on about Chicago rappers for a while.
Twista, Do or Die, Crucial Conflict, Psychodrama, Triple Darkness, Molemen, Common, Kanye, Kidz in the Hall, etc.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

@O – yo, if you ever wanna write a blog together, or want me to contribute, I’m down. Just throwing it out there.
My own blog I created to talk about basketball has somehow been me going on about rap lately anyways.

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

idk man, but i think chicago rappers got some of the best cruising music.
what part of chicago u from?

http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

I just love that fact that Nas is listed on most everybodies list in. But I agree with Kevin, the 2000s wasn’t the crap era for music yall make it out to be. Eminems The Way I Am or Nas’ One Mic could make a case for the list IMO. But it all comes down to taste and what YOUR personal definition of a good track is.

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Never lived in Chicago proper.
Grew up in Elgin/Carpentersville. NW Suburbs.

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

omg how could i forget about hay by crucial conflict. love that beat i think the lyrics were subpar tho

snasty10

no particular order
Nas New York State of Mind
Jay-Z Im Feeling It
Biggie Warning
2pac Life Goes On
Bone Thugs No Surrender
Bone Thugs Thuggish Ruggish Bone
Tribe Can I Kick It
Nas Aint Hard To Tell
Biggie Juicy
Wu Tang Proteck Ya Neck

This My top ten, Im not saying these are the ten best rap songs ever, just mine

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

Cheecagomayne, you ever heard Crucial’s “Good Side Bad Side”?
The song, not the album.
It was unreleased but had a DOPE western movie sample.
Them cats went off on that track. See if you can find it.

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

fosho, when i was a shorty(still kind am; 17) i lived in lil village for a minute then moved out to the west sububrbs, cicero to be exact.

http://www.blogabull.com/ cheecagomayne

never heard of it but will look it up when i get back home

http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

I used to love going to Little Village as a youngin’. Especially being Mexican-American, it’s like Little Mexico, lol.
Aint been there in forever though.

golden state

i would just like to say that i thoroughly enjoyed these conversations within knowledgeable hip hop fans.

golden state

putting out a top 10 production list would take too long..i would be putting songs in and out forever

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