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YEEZy!! i love his music and the fact that he knows that he is the sh**
YEEZY! I love his music and that he is an a**hole
Maaaaan…you know how there are some songs that you would rank as one of the best rap songs of all time?
This isn’t one of those songs.
But maaaan, you know how there are some songs that you would rank as one of your personal favorite rap songs of all time?
This would be one for me.
And you know how every once in a while a song comes along where, years later you can remember exactly where you were and what you were doing and who you were doing it with (or to, lol)?
March 2004, Jacksonville, North Carolina.
I’m at the Combat Service Support School at Camp Lejuene, in our barrack’s lounge with my platoon waiting for our Staff Sergeant to start the day.
They got BET on the tv, which I’m mostly ignoring cause by then most of it was wack anyways.
I been gone from home since September 2003, graduated boot camp in December 2003 and Marine Combat Training in February 2004, still in that “WTF have I gotten myself into” stage.
Then this video comes on, and when I hear “It’s Kanye West video”, I turned my attention to the tv, and on came the video.
Now, I had been a fan of Kanye the producer since 2000 when he started producing songs for Roc-A-Fella.
Every album when I’d read the credits if I saw “produced by Kanye West” I knew chances are that track was gonna be hot.
I had heard dude was coming out with his own album, trying the rap thing, but I was in MCT when it dropped. I had heard “Slow Jamz” but that was it up to that point.
So I’m watching this video, and here I am all homesick and here’s this cat reppin’ the Chi, and here’s a room full of young Marines from all over the country enjoying the song and video too. It was dope.
Cats were like “Oh, that’s that new Kayne West!” I was like “Nah, that’s Kanye West”.
I’m glued to the tv, bobbing my head to the second verse, in comes the Staff Sergeant and I’m thinking, “damn, so much for that.”
Staff Sergeant’s like “Oooh,that’s my jam!”
I bought College Dropout first chance I had and had to buy the motherf*cker like 3 times cause it’d get played so much.
Almost every song on that album was fire.
I miss this Kanye….
I guess this is everybody’s chance to look at my muscial tastes cross-eyed, but he just doesn’t do it for me. He’s talented, not groundbreaking or iconic though (try telling that to him though) and has several good listens in his catalog. However; between how the music industry works nowadays and how he incessantly self-promotes/prophetizes about his place in the pantheon of music, I consider him to be incredibly overrated for his contribution…
Heals – Lyrically, I do think he can be overrated at times.
But production-wise, when dude tries to be, he’s one of the greatest producers ever.
This is Kanye I grew to love. Not really feeling the current overly-hyped version. Get back to the basics, beats and rhyming, and leave all that flamboyant/flossy shi* alone.
HE IS ONE OF THE WORST RAPPERS OF ALL TIME. JUST HOT TRASH DEAD SKUNK HOMELESS BUM PISS COVERED SHTT STAIN AWFUL. BUT HE IS AN EXCELLENT PRODUCER, HE SHOULD STICK TO THAT.
I don’t think Ye is an awful rapper at all. I think he is the best combo rapper/producer of all time.
Can’t argue with that Matic, his ears are definitely fine-tuned. I think another reason I didn’t get hooked on him is I often enjoy experiencing artists by myself first. When his album came out I had nearly everyone of my friends playing it constantly and praising him as the GOAT. Being my stubborn self, I then fell into the role of contrarian (a stance that was only emboldened by Kanye’s public persona and my friends other musical tastes)…
definitely not one of the worst, especially these days when you got waka flocka and tyga out there *shudders*
i miss this ye too. dude went crazy with the couture sh*t
Kanye has some real music. We all know he can be cray at times, but when he puts his heart into a track, its always amazing. Hey Mama for example is awesome. Very cliche, but awesome nonetheless
Word up airs…
look like tom cruise in vanilla sky
After his Graduation album…. he kinda fell off. College Dropout however, is a pure classic!!!
Damn, I love College Dropout. Nothing else from Kanye, though.
I remember thinkin Kanye West was WACK!! First time I really heard him was on the “We Are The Champions” beat and he was f*ckin’ corny to me. Then Khalid put me on to the College Dropout mixtape and it was a wrap. The original version of “All Falls Down” with Lauryn Hill was CLASSIC! Didn’t like the one with Selena Johnson much…
he’s been stealing ma$e’s style his whole career…minus the autotune(stole that from T-Pain)
Loon stole Mase’s whole style.
THANKS O, I FORGOT ABOUT THE ONE WITH L HILL, I LIKED THAT ONE.
Well, the one with Lauryn Hill got shut down cause ‘Ye just sampled her vocals from “Mystery of Iniquity” and couldn’t get clearance.
But I agree, that version was better.
Man, I remember when Kanye was hungry as hell, witty, and not about money, hoes and rims….seems so long ago…
Kanye hasn’t been good (rapping-wise) in a long time. College Dropout was his best album, then every album he’s dropped has progressively gotten worse. Production-wise, he’s a creative genius. But lyrically, he’s now full of corny punchlines. My Dark Twisted Fantasy just SOUNDS good, but lyrically it’s average at best. You listen to his old stuff, (“Selfish with Slum Village) he had potential. When he made College Dropout, he had struggles to deal with, and that’s probably what makes the greatest rap songs/albums/artist. Once he started making that money and became that Louis Vutton don his raps fell off quick. Same with Jay-Z, nobody can deny Reasonable Doubt was a classic, but look at all that stuff Jay puts out now. He’s got too much money, not struggling anymore and raps fell off.
Well, I mean, the way so many people buy albums just off the strength off a dude’s name, West and Jay-Z could’ve just made an album full of special effects like “air horn” and “whoopee cushion” and it would’ve gone gold. lol
And it boggles my mind that so many “critics” praised Watch the Throne.
That sh*t was wack.
Kanye has never been about money, hoes and def not rims, shoutouts tot the throw some D’s remix he put on. Yeezy is the truth and has increased his rapping talents, not decreased. Not the greatest, but def one of my favorites and kid is a perfectionist. Hate him or love him, he constantly produces great music. Just don’t team up with HOVA again.
he is kinda about the money. he is the self proclaimed louis vuitton don after all.
not rims, but expensive paintings and crap, yeah
airs, to a degree, yes, but there are plenty of people I know with really expensive things that aren’t about the money. When I listen to kanye, yeah, he talks about expensive stuff, but that’s reality now. I would say a rapper like, and I don’t want to be so cliche to got he Soulja Boi route, but let’s say ummm even someone like Drake or Lil Wayne is much more about the monetary success that art nets them.
And hoes, yes, I think every make under 50 is partly about the hoes.
i see your point though, he is really passionate about what he does.
but he slips up every now and then
“always said if I rapped I’d say something significant
But here I am talking about money, hoes, and rims again”
I was thinking of that line the entire time I was typing lol
“Syllables” next Shneezy?
Man, put Kanye up against Elzhi or Nickle Nine and dude would get roasted.
OC – “Time’s Up”!
“Syllables” is a OK lyrically, but overall it’s pretty weak. When you have HEAVYWEIGHTS like that on the same track, you’re expecting magic. But it was just an OK track. Beat was kinda wack too.
O, I feel you on the “Syllables” beat being wack.
Being the lyrics being not up to par was kind of the point.
Them cats were saying “I can say whatever I want, it don’t matter cause most of you ain’t listening”.
Speaking of “listening”, you remember that track off Little Brother’s debut “The Listening” that was called “Whatever you Say”?
Phonte’s verse, if you weren’t really paying attention and just bobbing your head to the beat, and you happened to catch his last line “f*ck that, I got your head still bobbing and my verse didn’t rhyme”, LOL that sh*t happened to me.
I was like “wait…what?”
Went back, listened to the verse again, and sho nuff dude’s flow was ill but he wasn’t rhyming at all!
Kind of the same concept on that track, like “f it you’re not listening anyway”…
Yeah, matic I heard that, was kinda funny. Eminem and Jay-Z work well together however. You must remember ‘Renegade’ from Jy’s classic album ‘The Blueprint’??…. actually shneezy, post Renegade lol. It’s too good
Of course I’ve heard “Renegade”.
However, Royce/Em’s version of “Renegade” > Jay-Z/Em’s version.
maybe i’m in the minority, but i feel late registration topped college dropout from a musical standpoint. the production on there is kanye’s best in my opinion. my favorite album of his.
college dropout has a certain charm to it, though
I miss this Kanye West. He’s Hot Garbage now, “Watch The Throne” is not very good.
And plus in regards to “Renegade”- (“Eminem murdered you on your own sh*t”-Nas)
Late Registration and College Dropout were two classic albums. Graduation was good but marked a decline in quality, and then it was all downhill from there, imo. A lot of people liked Dark Twisted Fantasy, though I still haven’t listened to most songs on it.
Co-sign Heals on this overblown hype, though, as if Kanye is some sort of visionary.
Oh yeah, and who else thinks Rocafella is one of the most overrated labels ever?
cosign davidR, i loved late registration
I thought Graduation was much better produced than Late Registration.
Just my opinion
Co sign teddy. Dont get me wrong I like Kanye and Jigga is a legend but I aint feeling much else from the ROC.
I actually think Kanye is underrated as a rapper. Not saying he’s one of the greatest of all time, but he doesn’t really get mentioned with the best when they’re brought up. Those first 3 albums he really tackled a lot of real life subject matter and while he didn’t wow you with metaphors, he made really good songs. I remember him debuting this song on the Angie Martinez show on Hot 97 in NY. She had people call in after and he got absolutely KILLED. 99% of the people said he should stick to producing. Good think he didn’t take their advice. It just a fact that artist change with success. Kanye started making a ton of money and his music started to reflect that. If Kanye today, tried to rap about struggle he wouldn’t be believable.
And he’s defintely one of the best live performers I’ve seen. I caugh his tour shortly after his mom died and he broke down on stage singing Hey Mama. He just sat on stage and sang the song through tears with the help of the crowd. It was priceless.
enigmatic, i didn’t like graduation my first couple of listens, but then it grew on me. it’s a great album, and i think he incorporated the electronic sound with his sound very well.
when he tried to get more into electronic with 808s, it didnt sound right at all. but i’ve heard people cover some of those songs, and i think they unlocked the songs’ real potential.
where he is now, i don’t think is so bad. artists have to evolve, and like dfrance21 says, if he tried rapping about struggle it wouldn’t be believable.
all of the lights & dark fantasy are decent. plus, it seems like he’s getting more into the visual side of music
at first, i dismissed most of 808s
but looking back on it, i think it just kinda went over my head a little. i respect it.
the production on dark fantasy was dope, but i didn’t care for his lyrics all to much.
still not really sure what all of the lights is about
kanye to me is the innovative producer of my generation, im sick of repetitive lex luger beats and etc. lyrically yes he has fell off, i think after his mother died he wasnt the same dude. but ill listen to a kanye west beat all day. without the lyrics.
I loved the 808s album. I think it was a period album if you will. He was going through some things, losing his mom and his girl and he was channeling that energy. People were turned off by the autotune, but I felt the lyrics. Welcome to Heartbreak really captures how his life has transitioned from regular cat to superstar and how its not all its cracked up to be.
Nicholas Flemming -he doesn’t rap about the money, but neither did Jay-Z. Doesn’t change the fact Jay’s albums chronologically represent his fascination with watches – the later the album, the more expensive the watch haha.
Kanye has the same thing going on. Look at the cover of “The GOOD Ruler” or some of his non-stylised video clips, you’ll see the flaunting of wealth (watches, rings) is still around his music. Just isn’t a core component of his music.
Note- this wasn’t an attack on you, more of a side note.
kanye is a much better producer than rapper – check “universal mind control” – but he`s much better than average. best rapper? -check my name!
best of all time – THE ROOTS
this isn’t really a song for layup lines though is it?
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