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Thursday, August 9th, 2012 at 12:08 pm  |  198 responses

LeBron James Records First Triple-Double in Team USA History


by Eldon Khorshidi | @eldonadam

LeBron James has been on fire throughout the 2012 Olympics. Although not a point guard, King James has undoubtedly quarterbacked Team USA each and every game, and that was no different in last night’s 119-86 victory against Austrailia.

Well, it was a little different. James finished with 11 points, 14 rebounds and 11 assists, marking the first triple-double in U.S. Olympic history. LeBron is simply a monster, and is now within two games of becoming just the second player ever to win the NBA championship, NBA MVP trophy and a gold medal in the same calendar year, something only Michael Jordan can relate to.

After Team USA’s game last night, head coach Mike Krzyzewski put it bluntly: He’s the best basketball player in the world right now.”

Per SportsPageMagazine.com:

James finished with 11 points, 14 rebounds and 12 assists for the first triple-double in U.S. Olympic history (since assists were kept as an official statistic in 1976), and his 12 assists tied the U.S. Olympic single-game high. Additionally, shooting 19-of-46 from 3-point, the USA tied its U.S. Olympic record of 46 3-point attempts, which it set on Aug. 2 against Nigeria.

While the final score was a 35-point blowout, Australia was down by just 14 points at the start of the fourth quarter. Three of Bryant’s four 3-pointers came off of assists from James.

“I’m proud of the win, that’s all that matters to me,” James said. “I don’t really care about me statistically. The win is more important; I’m happy to be able to move on.”

Team USA will face Argentina (4-2), which topped Brazil (4-2) 82-77 to advance, in the semifinals at 9 p.m. (4 p.m EDT) on Aug. 10. The USA previously beat Argentina 126-97 in its final preliminary round game on Aug. 6, as well as in exhibition play, 86-80, on July 22 in Barcelona, Spain.

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  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobing going bonkers is a better story or article SLAM, scoring 20pts in the second half. Lebron was playing for the triple double, I watched the whole game. Kobe GOING HAMM!!!!

  • Magic Fan

    And he’s only gonna get better

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The guy puts up the 1st trip dub in Team USA history, a history that includes the likes of MJ, Magic, Oscar and DRob and the best you can come up with is “he was playing for stats”?

  • thenatural

    The self proclaimed King James, Chosen One, etc. doesn’t care about HIS stats… I definitely believe that one.

    Cheers to him for making history and being great at the game, but not for a minute do I believe he doesn’t care about his own stats. He knows exactly what his points, rebounds and assists are at any given time.

    If Lebron is ‘King’ then Michael must be ‘God’?

  • http://twitter.com/niyosimba niyosimba

    haters gon’ hate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ thenatural – You’re actin like he got a Bob Sura triple double…Obviously players are ussually aware of thier stats, but it’s not like he was going out of his way to pad them.

  • TheTwoTimer

    @The Seed.., Really? Really? Really? So what if Kobe scored 20 in the second half? Melo scored a record 37pts in 14mins in the game against Nigeria.., and LeBron recorded the 1st triple double in USA history.., And all u will yap about is Kobe getting 20.., I understand you are Kobe a fan, but try to appreciate other players and their “more impressive performances” too will ya?

  • bike

    LeBron has the potential to be the G.O.A.T.

  • Mo

    LOL at dudes still hating on LBJ. NEWSFLASH: “He won the ship, let it go. It’s stupid at this point.” One more point, I can’t help but think that Ray Allen has to be ‘licking his chops’ at the thought of the wide open shots he’s gonna get by playing with Bron. Durant sure is taking advantage of it now.

  • the king

    @bike YOU DAM RIGTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    Lebron is going to go all dynasty mode on the NBA just like MJ did after 1992 olympics.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Kobing going bonkers is a better story or article SLAM, scoring 20pts in the second half. Lebron was playing for the triple double, I watched the whole game. Kobe GOING HAMM!!!!”
    .
    Uhm, well that means, Kobe was playing for 20 in the second half..that’s why he shot, shots..right?….right?. idiot

  • sawaii

    Give credits when they are due. Lebron is a unselfish player, a player The Zen Master himself wanted to mold Kobe into when he aas coaching the Lakers. Obviously Kobe and Lebron have different style. So props to Lebron James on a milestone being achieve and to Kobe for coming out of that shooting slump.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    He did it all last night. Dude is on another level..

  • pposse

    never rik smits! Lebron and D Rose will be taking all of the rings, when they both get to 4 a piece, they will duke it out one last time in the ECF for the real king of this era.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    lol where is rose a king of anything? he is very far from being a complete player or making the team around him better. when he was handed the mvp trophy james durant and howard got robbed (i might forgot smbdy else). he is just the first scoring option on a good team with a great defensive concept. rose is a good player and i love to see him play he is just not a top 5 player, a top 10 at best

  • T-Money

    curious to see his rating in 2k13… 102?

  • Mo

    Love D. Rose. That boy is the truth but he first needs to show he can come back from this injury 100% before you go making proclamations that he’s gonna win multiple titles. And the Bulls aint gonna win a title when the second best player on the team is Luol Deng. No offense to Deng, but Rose is gonna need more than that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Do you guys REALLY expect The Seed to say anything different. You should know this by now.
    - Regarding Bean’s perfomance so far, he’s clearly been struggling with the reduced minutes and shot selection/opportunities and even more with not even touching the ball for long stretches. His defense has been far below average — if there was a stat for points when guarded by individual defender, he would be leading it for the US. He also hadn’t had a signature game yet like Melo/Bron/KD/Dwill all have, up until yesterday and for all his competitiveness, this must have been weighing heavily in his mind. But anyone who thinks that little shooting streak is more impressive than Bron’s trip dub is clearly mistaken.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    LOL @ Rose challenging Lebron on being the King of this era, when lebron does everything better than him by miles. 1 MVP does not a legend make. LOL@ kobe stans still hating on Bron. Melo’s performance >> Kobe’s last night.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no i don’t. but do you really expect me to not call someone an idiot when they say something idiotic? you should know this by now.

  • pposse

    yah dan powers he didn’t make his team better at all, he just was the best player on the best regular season team who won 60+ games the last full season. Thats not an accomplishment, thats not what a mini-lebron (stature wise) is capable of doing at all. And that 60+ win team had how many all stars again? @Mo the proclamation might be a little ill timed, but it is what it is and im sticking to it!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose has no shot at becoming the king of this era. Sorry charlie. This is LeBron & Durant’s league with Dwight as the only legitimate threat. Everyone else is just supporting cast at this point.

  • http://Slamonline.com 1982

    I look forward to these games li they’re the only thing on TV. It sounds so natural for Bron to have double digit dimes but some of those passes were sick. Like Stockton sick. Like 4 no looks to get someone literally under the basket. And Kobe scored 20, which was great, but Kobe having 12 assists woulda blown this forum wide open. Almost anyone on that squad could hit 20 in 20 minutes as long as they gave him looks.

  • pposse

    never in a million years NBK! you will be proven wrong in the coming years, and i will make sure that i will be the first to tell u the preverbial “i told u so!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Kind’ve weird to me that this is the first one seeing as everything is high paced.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok. just to let you know, i don’t care if it does either way, i’m just telling you, rationally, logically, historically, etc. it won’t happen. There is literally a 0% chance Derrick Rose returns from an ACL tear to be a better player than he was before the injury. And before the injury he wasn’t even a top 5 player. He was top 5 in terms of the value he carried for his team, but never a literal top 5 basketball player in the world. And probably never will be now that this happened. It’s sad. But it’s true.

  • pposse

    on a real tip tho…durant is still pretty skinny for his height im not tryin to jinx him but the more close to his prime that he gets the more physical he will try to assert himself to be, but he is simply not built to be a physical baller (yet). Its nice the refs show him love all the time, but nba players aren’t going to bow down to him just cause he KD. KD being more aggressive and assertive on d and offense may not be such a good thing for his career.

  • KC

    People who think kobe is better than lebron obviously don’t watch the actual games. It’s really getting silly at this point to think kobe is even half the player that lebron is. Kobe looks older and slower by the day and at no point in his career did he ever reach the level of ability that lebron displays ever time he steps out on the floor.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This comment section is hilarious man.
    LeBron notches a triple double, and Kobe scoring 20 is big news? Notice how Seed didn’t mention that Kobe took 14 shots and only made 6. That’s 42 percent. And, the six he made were all three pointers, and I believe they were all made in the second half. So Kobe missed all 4 of his regular shots, and 4 three pointers, but his 20 was more impressive? Hilarious.
    And Durant is too skinny to succeed? Have you noticed Kevin Garnett’s career? Durant is almost 7 feet tall, handles like a guard, shoots like a guard and has top level athletic ability. And he got 8 rebounds a game last year! Once dude shores up his defense and passing, he is going to push LeBron every year for top player in the League and eventually surpass him if he doesn’t get injured.
    Finally, I love Derrick Rose. But, sadly, I’m very worried about where his career is going to go from here. He could still be very athletic, and if he uses his time off to study the game and improve his jumper even more he’ll be a BETTER player overall. But, those are big ifs, and the biggest if is how his body handles the injury. We won’t really know until 2014.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    BLAH BLAH BLAH they said the same thing about Kevin Garnett, and he’s a power forward. Durant is a wing, who is 7’0″ – his bulk is irrelevant. 100%. Which should be obvious, he’s 23 and has led the NBA in scoring 3 times in a row. It is pretty stupid to assume he’s somehow going to regress because he is not strong enough. He is only going to get stronger, which, again, obviously, he doesn’t need to do.

  • pposse

    i was just going to bring up the KG comparison, because they did/do have similar body sizes haha…still tho when KG was more close to KD’s size he came across as an all around stronger individual. KD is not strong, that was proven when he couldnt lift 135lbs in the rookie camp or whatever. He tweeted some time ago talkin about lifting 185lbs. None of this equates to any basketball skills, but the more stronger u are the less likely you will get injured. I don’t think he will regress, i think he is more susceptible to injury. Like you say, he is a wing and a scorer, some defenders in the league already have the mentality to stop him, there is more of an ‘x’ on him than there ever was on KG. Hell, people were psyched out by KG with all the smack talk.

  • LA Huey

    As I recall, the skinny Garnett entered the league when interior play was MUCH more physical and taxing. The only chronic issue Garnett has is with his knees, which probably could be worse if he had more bulk. KD’s going to be fine with his frame. Durant just needs to improve his defensive awareness and passing stats and he’ll surpass LeBron. It’s only a matter of time.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok pposse, who in the world is stopping Durant? Go ahead, i’ll wait. WQhat does “already have the mentality to stop him” even mean? I have the mentality to stop Durant, but I can’t. Just like everyone else on earth.

  • pposse

    overall i do think that KD and KG have the ideal NBA body..look at MJ he was a shorter version of that when he came into the league, but MJ did start hitting the weights at some point in his career and KG naturally got bigger (probably thru weight training).

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    Hey Seed.
    Being fan of just one player and not the game is really not helping you to see the whole picture.
    Nice second half performance by Kobe but nothing that wasn’t done before.
    You always start hating players, that take the spotlight from Kobe. That’s very weak.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @pposse: your 60+ arguement is a little weak if we look at the bulls record without rose so far. they have been a quite successfull team without him so far. its naturally, that a guy like rose on the floor brings a good team a couple of more wins but that doesnt put him in the same league with lebron james or kevin durant. i also doubt that he could carry a mediocore team to top spots in the standings like dwight howard did. i dont want to get too negative about rose but lets be realistic. problably any team would be more successful if paul or williams would run the point. id put him out there with westbrook skill and value wise which means he could be the third or fourth best point guard in the league. but sorry, once more, absolutely no contest with lebron james. lets all just hope that rose can return strong from his injury and stay healthy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    If Manute Bol could cut in the L back in the 80′s and 90′s when they were supposedly decapitating folks in the paint, who’s to say KD can’t and hasn’t been doing it.

  • pposse

    no one can stop durant without being dirty, but i can definately see a player like stephen jackson or gerald wallace get sick and tired of getting scored on and then tripping him the next time they get burned. Or some idiot getting mad that KD is dunking the ball on their interior defense so he slaps his shoulder in a weird way and tears a rotator cuff or something. Even if he bumped knees with lebron, seeing as how lebrons knee is probably the size of KD’s head, might just tear a ligament or something.

  • pposse

    Manute Bol i thought was constantly getting injured.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    NBK who was top 5 when rose was healthy?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    LOL @ people thinking Lebron has the heart or WILL to to accomplish something like a dynasty……..the talent is obviously there and that’s why it would of been a travesty had he not even got one but he doesn’t have the intangibles to pull off a dynasty….he’s already 1-2 in the finals.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    James, Wade, Howard, Paul, Durant. – if you don’t like Paul there, then put Kobe there, I don’t care. Sh*t you could make the argument for Deron Williams too. Then probably Rose. Rose is/was a great great individual scorer and playmaker, i’m not tryin to take anything away from him at all. He just wasn’t in the top 5 yet, he was coming up on it like a bat out of hell but he didn’t quite get there, at least in my opinion he didn’t. He would have though, that’s for sure. if it wasn’t for this crazy injury.

  • pposse

    IF KD becomes more aggressive on defense and continues to stay aggressive on Offense, it is natural for him to suffer more bumps and bruises. How do you guys think D Rose tore his ACL? From the articles i read about it, the exclaimed how it was an accumulation of injuries and the final breaking point was a torn ACL. And i thought D Rose was big for a pg, the problem he was challenging the bigs in the paint. KD needs to gain strength if he plans on being more aggressive, or there should be serious concerns for his health.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    So slick ric you know him that good to give this statement???? Smh.
    People can change and I think this years playoffs and Finals showed us a very focused dude, that dominated everybody. We will see what happens next and I fear that you will eat your words.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose tore his ACL because of the extreme amount of torque he puts on his joints. You can’t be that quick and explosive without some sort of repercussions.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    I still know how often MJ came up short before taking it all.

  • ChristianBulleN

    I could be wrong, so please don’t flame me if I am.. but didn’t Blake Griffin go down with a serious tear in a ligament in one of his knees and come back to throw down some of the most vicious dunks in NBA history? I wouldn’t count out Derrick Rose just yet, what with his young age, modern technology, and his drive to become one of the greats, I see him making a full recovery.

  • feez_22

    @LA Huey …KD won’t surpass lebron due to passing stats. no matter how much he tries to pass, he will never be the playmaker lebron is… I think KD will surpass lebron due to his scoring prowess more than anything. sooner or later, okc will demand of him 34+ppg. If he can go 31-34ppg on 50+% shooting from the field, 37-40% from 3, improve defense as you said and lead his team better, he can surpass lebron. However, his passing stats won’t have anything 2 do with it bc he is a pure and efficient scorer. usually, passing stats are used to criticise wings like kobe/carmelo or pg’s like rose/westbrook because they (exc westbrook) shoot sub 45% from the field and all of them volume shoot the ball. not only does KD not shoot sub 45% (shot 50% last yr)… he only shoots around 16-18 shots per game. he is only gonna get more efficient as time goes on due to post gm development & hopefully will get more shot attempts in the future since he is so efficient to begin with. he needs 2 stop hacking players as they go past him, improve lateral quickness defensively and needs to commmand the offense better (hard to do with a loose cannon in westbrook on the court) but if he can do those things, he can surpass lebron. he had a hell of a finals… just needs 2 work on the little things. passing, not so much. such a pure and efficient scorer that passing for him should be at a max 4 assists per gm (he avg 3.5 last yr).

  • feez_22

    btw to everyone talking about rose’s injury… its amazing to me that westbrook whom is by far a more reckless PG than rose has never missed a reg season or playoff game in his career… seems like westbrook was built to b reckless lol. his training regimen must be nuts to where he never gets seriously injured although his game would say that he should be injured every other game.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Griffin broke his kneecap. He didn’t tear any ligaments. The ACL is the most important ligament in your knee. The only guy I know of to tear his ACL and improve as a player is Kyle Lowry, and he tore his at like 18 years old. But then again, idk how athletic he was before the injury, so he might actually be less of a player than he would have been

  • pposse

    [Rose] went to make that sudden stop, and normally, if he was a little bit stronger, his muscles would have fired and kept his knee still. But his muscles were fatigued and they just gave out, and once they gave out, his knee started going into that position. Basically, he was coming in and stopped with such force that normally his muscles would have kicked in and stabilized his leg, but because his muscles were weak, his knee just kept going, and then ruptured the ACL. So it was really the fact that he wasn’t at 100 percent strength, and the fact that he was fatigued at the end of a game. – Dr. Martin Leland (no idea who the doc is, but he doesnt mention anything about speed and torque nbk)

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    i think that the compact schedule of the shortened unreasonable season 11/12 was more of a reason that he tore his acl than his style of play

  • feez_22

    whats disturbing about rose’s knee injury is that it was non-contact and happened on a play i have seen him convert many times. he does it often where he would jump mid-air in the paint and would either pass it off or do that signature floater. this time, he messed his knee up i believe before takeoff? maybe it was on the landing but its tough 2 see that. ACL tears are no joke. although we saw amare come back well after knee surgeries on 2 knees, he wasn’t the same athlete he was pre-injury. probably 80-85% the athlete but he worked on other things like his jumpshot. rose needs 2 develop more facets of his game to compensate for the 10-15% athletic ability he will lose. Its well documented that rose has had nagging knee injuries (mostly tendinitis) in high school and college. however, that’s where it starts with these kinds of injuries. I’m no physiologist but the inflammation of tendons in your knee leave them weaker than they were and limit the range of motion. Probably contributed to his knee buckling up and the subsequent ligament tear.

  • pposse

    danpowers in my eyes what d rose was doing his first four seasons is comparable to what LBJ was doing in Cleveland right before he bounced out of there, but no one cares or want to see that bc lets face it lebron is lebron. That’s why i said what i said, but i too am fearing the worst with this ACL injury: NBK and AllenP don’t make it any better with their constant history reminders. he concentrates on scoring first it seems; which is why i don’t agree that cp or dwill would make the bulls better than they were. the bulls showed their mediocrity when we lost in the first round to the 8th seed sixers.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’ve seen improvements in KD’s defense, ball-in-hand skills and passing abilities 5 games into the current Olympic run. The only thing standing in his way of being the undisputed best player is one LeBron James.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @pposse: i am what you could consider as a lebron james “hater” or doubter since the “decission”. when i say that bron is way up there above rose than you can count on that this is my objective oppinion. as nbk said, there are even durant, deron williams, chris paul, dwight howard and during a span of the last four years also bryant and nash who had more impact on their teams. rose does make a team slightly better because he is a good player. but there are a minimum of five players who are better also value wise for their teams than rose is and some 5 to 10 more who you could consider as equally good. i dont think that this is any “hating” on rose or talking him worse than he is. i mean being a top 10 or top 15 player is a very positive thing. he is exciting but also his games has yet to improve and is far from perfect. this is why his injury is so tragic. he has allways been an exciting player. i think we all hope that he can get back to where he left off or at least change his game in a way that a possible loss of athleticism wont cost him his value as a good player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Rose’s doctor said the constant stress from his explosive style of play contributed to his injury. He won’t ever be as explosive again but he’s strong willed so he’ll improve every facet of his game that doesn’t rely on athleticism.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Cosign JTaylor
    As long as LeBron is at his best KD will play second fiddle. And that’s a compliment.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, I think, as Feez noted, if Durant drops 33-34 a game on 50 percent shooting with above average defense and his usual efficiency and clutch play, you can argue that he is better than LeBron.
    It would be a close argument and depend on what you value more and where LeBron is at that point, but it could happen. Durant’s ceiling as a scorer only exists in his mind.

  • pposse

    to each his own. I am not going to try and sound objective bc lets face it im a bulls fan, but I know plenty of people that would objectively say that cp and deron were beneath rose until the end of april 2012. I do get the argument for cp or deron but i dont agree with it (easiest way to put it).

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Lebron will go down in history as the best to play this game called basketball….. This is the king James era. Long live the king

  • robb

    dude’s a damn beast

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    The thing when pointing out Durant’s scoring ability Allen I think we easily forget that if LeBron really wanted to he could average more points during the season. It wouldn’t be the best interest of the team for him to be just a scorer. But I do agree that you could make the argument and it depends on what you value more. Me personally I’d say LeBron because his game has so many avenues that are game changers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    I respect it nbk but I wouldn’t put cp3 or deron in there.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i understand there are other factors to why Rose got hurt pposse, and i get that the crazy season schedule didn’t give proper time for guys to recover BUT there is still more to it. I was just saying, considering how much pressure Rose puts on his knees and ankles with his quick change of directions and stop and go style of play (Westbrook may be more reckless in terms of sprinting and leaping into crowds of people, but he doesn’t shift like Rose does) that it is probably the root cause for why he has joint issues.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    lol @ the troll. whoever says lebron was better than jordan simply didnt jordan play live back then. there were some things the numbers cant tell that make air jordan the best of all time. it is not very likely that we will see anything like jordan in the next few years if ever

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i understand you, a bulls fan wouldn’t, but the rest of the vast majority of the basketball community would have.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LeBron has already scored more points in a season than Durant. Multiple times in fact.
    LeBron can be a scorer, but, and this is strictly my opinion, his scoring doesn’t seem as effortless. When Durant drops buckets, it feels smooth, while LeBron feels like he’s overwhelming dudes. Plus, LeBron doesn’t even seem like he enjoys scoring all that much, while cats like Durant, Kobe and Melo obviously live to put the ball in the basket. Plus, I think Durant is cooler under pressure.
    LeBron is such an all-around beast right now that there is no comparison, but if Durant bumps that scoring higher while maintaining efficiency and improving defense, the argument is legit.

  • pposse

    u kno why jordan will always be better than lebron (nothing to do with actual basketball), even if bron wins like 12 championships? Because he will never create a poster like the last shot poster. That poster is pure art, my boy bought a blown up one with a white tone background for like $500 from some spot in the mall. Every time i go to his house i have to stare at it for 20 mins. You can literally see the faces of everyone behind the bucket in the whole 100 level section and see every last facial reaction. you have old ladies crying, men pulling hair out of their head that they dont even have, little kids crying and jumping, bulls fans lookin like they bought to bust a nut, gambling sharks gettin too excited for payday, people looking like they lost their house, eyes closed etc etc. And then you can take a look at the great one shooting with perfect form, thats the best pic i have ever seen in bball!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Knowledge dropped.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    dammit pposse.
    My comment was @ AP.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I know he has before because if he didn’t his team would have suffered. I think the reason why KD looks so smooth when he scores is because he’s so tall and has a smooth jumper so he really doesn’t have to overwhelm people physically. If Durant averages 30/10 then I’ll reconsider my position on the debate.

  • LA Huey

    Basically, Durant playing in the NBA in MyPlayer mode: he can do everything for himself but he’s limited to just himself. If he extends his arsenal from just his own abilities to multiple teammates, then he passes LeBron (assuming LBJ is still in his prime). He has the dedication but maybe does possess the gift of vision necessary to get to that level of playmaking.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Good points but I think KD has to become a better playmaker for the argument to become legit.
    That’s the one thing in my eyes that seperates LeBron from the pack. Others are better at scoring (KD), others are better at defending (Iggy), others are better at playmaking (CP), others are better at rebounding (Howard/Love) but no one comes close to matching his ability to be elite at all 5 phases of basketball.
    Unless KD suddenly develops the ability to create good looks for his teammates on a consistent basis, there is no arguement…well that is until Father Time comes knocking.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    as a hardcore knicks fan since the early 90s i am more a bulls “hater” than a bulls fan. lebrons game is close to jordan if you think of overall dominance and supremacy. jordans achievements came in times that were way more physical and also against much tougher defenses. thats not james fault. but even with softer defenses james numbers and success so far are slightly below jordans. i might change my mind after 5 more championships by lebron but even then i would wonder if james wouldve also brought it in the 90s with handchecking and against defensive lines like those of the pacers(90), knicks (whole 90s), cavs, hawks (late 90s), etc… not so sure. jordan had that unique killer instinct that make him a little superior above other greats

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Westbrook wanted to/used to play football. He has much more bulk and muscle than D.rose which is why it’s ok for him to go crashing into people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Wow, it’s been awhile since I’ve been on this site. How have y’all been? (Before I get into how impressive Lebron’s Olympic Triple-Double is)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, NBK is right. Westbrook is a straight line player. Very little shiftiness. He starts and stops hard, but he doesn’t do all the stuff Rose does. Different game, different types of body stress.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Where you been BP?
    We good in the SLAM hood.

  • T-Money

    i don’t think it’s close between kd and bron and i don’t think it will be until the end of lebron’s prime years (in about 5 years):
    1- saying that kd could surpass lebron if he ever becomes a way better passer and defender is like saying rajon rondo could be the best point in the nba if he could shoot.
    2- the gap between lebron and kd in terms of defense and playmaking is humongous. kd couldn’t guard lebron in the finals and had to hide on rio and mike miller (who lit him up). rio even said he felt disrespected that okc put kd on him. i don’t even need to go further on playmaking.
    2- lebron is also improving. his past season was his best season in the nba by far. yeah, in terms of raw numbers he’s had better season but his game is at another level right now. he’s got counters to his counters.
    3- i always feel like durant’s scoring rep is based on style rather than substance. people keep talking about these 33-35 ppg years that have yet to happen and probably never will. he peaked at 30 two seasons ago and is now going in his 6th year – why would he suddenly have a huge spike in scoring average? actually, lebron had more points scored after 5 years than durant and durant has yet to match lebron’s highest scoring year (31.5 ppg).
    4- i’ve always felt like lebron’s scoring was underrated because he does so much more. it’s like melo, the scoring is magnified because he doesn’t do anything else. melo has a rep of being a better scorer than lebron even though he never scored as much ppg and always had a lower fg%.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    I think it’s a little unrealistic to expect KD to ever be elite at all 5 things. I think if he becomes a 50,40,90 guy keeps the crossover and develops a post game, and avgs. 30+ while becoming an elite rebounder and defender we can talk about him being better. And no D.rose was NEVER top 5, had him at 7 or 9

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @t-money: agree on most things you said. but on 4: that is because bryant, melo or durant can score in more ways than bron does. the thing is just, they cant (bryant could some years ago) play that out in a way that james does because defenses have to respect lebrons passing skills and court vision which opens up space for james to score. plus james physical dominance. he doesnt need as many tools and proper technique as the other gusys do coz even if a defender knows whats going to happen doesnt mean he will be able to stop it. thats why james scores more than most others and could easily put up 30+ ppg season after season. by better people mean the skill sets. after the last finals there is no doubt anyway that bron is the best player in the l at the moment.

  • LA Huey

    I don’t see why KD needs a post game though. Isn’t his mid range J consistent enough? LeBron needed it because his jumper disappears at times and it’s excerbated by the fact he’s not the type that can shoot himself out of a slump.
    T-Money made some good points.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Why is it that we hold LeBron to higher expectations than everyone else. Why is it that all KD has to do is avg 30+, shoot a great percentage from the field and become an elite/defender for him to be better than LeBron when LeBron has excelled in those areas for years all while being a great passer?
    The best player in basketball execels in all those areas, so for someone to challenge the throne, they have to equally good or better in those areas. Realistic or not.

  • pposse

    every player should have a post game to keep defenders honest, it will physically wear down the defender which in turn can make things easier/relieve some pressure in crunch time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @LakeShow Aww man I haven’t been anywhere I just usually don’t comment much when it’s off-season time.

  • http://slamonline house

    MJ paved the road, Lebron is merely walking on it.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    its boring argueing about the uncontested best player in the nba at the moment. would be more interesting to argue who was better in duels like hersey hawkins vs jerry stackhouse, scottie pippen vs charles barkley, allan houston vs glen rice, antonio davis vs dale davis, manu ginobili vs rip hamilton, kg vs moses malone and so on. anyone else ever played that x vs y game on bball reference.com? lol

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Are we sayin top 5 in respective positions? Because i’d take rose over wade honestly, especially before this year.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Oscar, Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem paved the road you mean.
    Good to see ya on the threads BP.
    Durant is a much better scorer when you take away post play. But you shouldn’t do that, so they are very comparable scorers now. Durant will score 32+PPG at some point in his career. If continues to improve his D he will be on Bron’s level. Play making/passing is great, but it’s not needed to be the best.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    And my bias may be strong but I wouldn’t take dwill or rondo over him either.
    Rose, cp3, durant, bron, howard.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Also, didn’t SLAM have him at 3?? So can’t say no one had him in top 5

  • LA Huey

    “hersey hawkins vs jerry stackhouse” Yes, let us discuss that one.

  • feez_22

    @JTaylor21 i probably should add that i don’t think durant could pass lebron up until lebron is on the edge or just out of his prime when his athletic & therefore defensive ability goes down a notch. However, we also need to take into consideration lebron’s development of his post game. If lebron gets a few signature unstoppable moves down there ( he has the turnaround on the mid post but im talking about a close range unstoppable set of moves maybe 2 or 3) and he perfects them, KD may not surpass lebron anytime soon. I guess you reminded me that lebron isn’t even at his best in terms of basketball yet. sure, he is at his peak athletically but the greatest players add on to their games later. lebron at 75-80% of his current athleticism with a couple go to post moves could still reign this league. his playmaking is only going 2 get better as all players do and his rebounding if he stays committedd will be good and constant.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Your bias is showing by not putting Dwill over Rose. There is no reason not to, to be honest.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I would only put Dwill over Rose because his jumpshot is a little more polished and reliable at the moment.

  • feez_22

    btw playmaking may not be needed 2 b the best but table setting and having a willingness to pass is needed. durant has both of those traits already. One trait though that all greats imo need to have is the trait of setting game tempo. I think being a tempo setter is underrated in the NBA. Usually, its the point guards that set good tempo but of all the star wings, lebron is the only one that has consistently set good tempo. & its not only by passing. lebron is the anchor of his defense, leads his team in rebounds, can dribble up the court, run a play to his liking, pass it off to an open man, get an off. rebound and put up a shot all in 1 Sequence(i’ve seen lebron do this many times including in the finals). I think this is why guys like jtaylor are having a hard time with the durant-lebron convo and rightfully so. Lebron does pretty much everything at an avg to above avg level. go down the list of his traits. maybe not the clutch thing but if u look at the stats he’s average in that category. its tough… he can dominate your forwards then he can make your guards look silly, pass it to a teammate whom if bricks is covered when lebron makes the forwards silly again and then gets a basket. dominating a multitude of facets… its tough. Jtaylor is starting 2 change my mind about this.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    dwill and paul are both better than rose. not only because of their more efficient scoring. also because of their ability to run a team. you cant tell me seriously that you think rose makes his team mates better than these two guys. plus paul took worse teams to the playoffs than dwill or rose did. rose’s game is more spectacular and he might be able to guard bigger guards a bit better but does this make him a better point guard? i dont think so.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    ps: hersey hawkins was a better player than stack

  • Basketball_iQ

    No One cares about kobe scoring 20pts in the 2nd half,,, kd35 went ham & carmelo before him… Coach k alerting the world lbj is the best basketball player on the planet is the story.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    PS: We really don’t care.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Omg my posts won’t show up.
    This one will though.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    ps: respect the game, son!

  • the king

    to all lebron is the best scorer in the nba becuz no one can stop him from doing what he wants like i said what he wants if lbj shoots a jumper it becuz he wnats 2 no one person in the game can say that it like 2k but 4 real now a no some of ya’ll play 2k are ya’ll jackin jumper with lebron

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who plays with LeBron on 2K? Only losers use the Heat or Lakers.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    I mean I hear you j.Taylor but at the same time, very people EVER have been better all around than Lebron all around. I think if he can indisputably become a superior scorer and at least be decent as well as a better rebounder he can make an argument IMO

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It doesn’t make sense that you have to be better at everything to be better than LeBron.
    I mean, Jordan is better than LeBron and he wasn’t better at everything.
    Magic is better, so far. Bird is better, so far.
    Hell, based on career, Kobe is better too.
    What I’m saying is that you rank players based on their total score, at least I do. If Durant improves certain things, which I do think is possible with effort and attention, then his total score goes up.
    I mean, if LeBron and Wade could become good defenders why can’t Durant?

  • riggs

    Rondo > Rose.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Rose can’t guard bigger players, than Dwill or cp3. That’s another area in which he’s lacking. He’s mediocre defensively. Although he has a lot of defensive potential bc his long arms. But yes deron and Paul have always been better than rose when healthy

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    We are talking about right now. Those cats are better than LeBron (career wise) because they won multiple championships/Final MVP trophies. Durant hasn’t done that (yet). So they only thing I can go by when comparing him and Lebron are the things they excel in on the court.
    AllenP, so what “score” would KD have at if he improves on all those things you pointed out and would it be higher than LeBron’s?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, so Magic was never the best player in NBA?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    With all the nonsense comments coming in here I might as well add a few:
    —-
    * Everyone knows that Manute Bol played on the perimeter in the NBA (only reason he lasted as long as he did)
    * If only someone on the AUSTRALIAN team hit Kobe in the “family jewels”, they would have beat the U.S. Team the other night.
    * Rose will come back better (if by better you mean 20 pounds heavier, a lower centre of gravity and move to the SF position then yes…better)
    * I wouldn’t be surprised if Kevin Durant just one day, snaps literally in half….?!!? Probably some time in winter playing in Milwaukee??
    * LBJ must be considered a new kind of “ball hog”.. he wants the ball to pad his ASSIST TOTALS…!?!?? Outrageous….. Not unlike Steve Nash and John Stockton before him.
    —-
    O_o Wake the flip up.

  • the king

    @ allenp u a lame calling me or people loser but if u saw me in real life u be on mute

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Word to Big Bird Allenp

  • Conoro

    The best player in the world, unfortunately.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    THE first triple double of all time.
    I mean…

  • Conoro

    Having said that, James’s passing is – in Clyde Frazier terminology – majestic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Great little debate today, People are trying to write off Rose like his athleticism cant be what it once was. Baron Davis tore his acl in college and is still one of the most athletic PG’s ever, he even entered in a few dunk contest, so Rose regaining his athleticism is not a stretch whatsoever. Jamal crawford even tore his acl while in the league and still had his quickness afterwords. All this talk about who’s better than Rose but I’ve never heard any of it when these very same players were getting outplayed by this guy they are suppose to be more skilled, intelligent and just flat out better than. Surely athleticism alone cant account for the success against these guys.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    JTaylor, Why would you say I didn’t think Magic was the best at one point?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^^Respect.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    *@Slick Ric*

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh my god with these one on one matchups in the regular season. They are irrelevant.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Lol @my brethren…
    Magic Johnson is the best ever.
    You all did not know?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “Play making/passing is great, but it’s not needed to be the best.” Straight from the horse’s mouth.
    That is basically what Magic is known for.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Durantula, as much as he will try, will NEVER get on lebrons level. Its just not going to happen. Lebrons completeness is very easy to downplay and take for granted. As it is right now, I have him as fourth best player ever, behind mj, hakeem, and tim.

  • Reaper1

    All kobe does is shoot.shoot.shoot .very rare that he get’s more than 8 assits.
    King James making history .suck on that.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your point? That doesn’t prove anything… Magic was the best just like LeBron is. They could do it all. Kobe was the best, MJ was the best, Shaq was the best. They couldn’t do it all.
    I have no idea what your trying to convey. Try and use more words so I can figure out what your talking about.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    That’s a cool OPINION Frozen Caveman.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    What should we go by then NBK…..and its not just one-on-one. I’m looking at the success against each individual collectively, get it. You cant just go off of stats either, nor can you just say one player is more well-rounded so therefore he’s better, you can make that argument with plenty players like KG and a PF like Malone for example. I look at how a guy performs against the field and his competition and NO PG does better than Rose Consistently.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The King is top 15 all time.
    Players who are in his class, with no particular order;
    1. Magic
    2. Kareem
    3. Jeffrey
    4. Larry Legend
    5. Oscar
    6. Wilt
    7. Russel
    8. Pistol
    9. Havlicek
    10. Hakeem
    11. Baylor
    12. Julius
    13. Cornelius Hawkins
    14. Shaq
    Everyone else, it is debatable that after that list, The King is peerless.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I will add Duncan and Garnett.
    Thanks, Slick Ric.

  • ThaWindy

    Same guys have be hating on Rose since he came into the league.
    Same guys said he COULDN’T avg 16 pts a game. But how the hell could they have known he would be the youngest MVP. But that’s not that great of an accomplishment.
    DWill Is not better Rose. Maybe the early Utah DWill but not the one avg 16 pts.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @slick rick: how hard can it be to understand that cp3 and dwill do actually better. not only be subjective oppinion, even the numbers show it. maybe he looks better when flyring through the air but at the end of the day these are the better point guards.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, getting defensive I see.
    It’s simple logic. Magic was the best player at a certain point and he’s probably the greatest passer of all-time. You said “Play making/passing is great, but it’s not needed to be the best”. This sh*t isn’t rocket science, you’re the one that said it not me.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LMAO. How can one be defensive about someone not being able to put together a coherent thought? Your thinking of a different word I believe than defensive.
    Can someone help Taylor out here? He must be on some of that potent sativa or something. Dude is talking gibberish.
    What is so hard to understand about the fact that someone can be the best and be able to do it all, or they can be the best and NOT be able to do it all?
    Do a little rocket surgery.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^ Well, if you only want to go by numbers, the numbers are in Cp3 favor but they are not in D-will favor, so you’re partially wrong and showing bias yourself. Like I stated, its not all about stats and WTH are you talking about flying through the air? If that’s the case I would be arguing that Westbrook is the best PG.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Philo, God love ya… But that is one of the worst Top 15 lists I have ever seen brotha.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    we’ve all been saying this slick. and rose’s teams are consistently better than cp3′s. I know less about his record vs. dwill. one thing i will say about rose is that he does consistently get up for good comp. and nobody says “better all around” but he is lacking in certain key skills as we’ve already said.

  • Bostonballer

    Simply put, LBJ is straight ball’n…no 2 ways about it. 1 Day I’ll put up my top 10-20. lol I’ll go on straight skill, stats, era etc etc. lol. dang, school starts next week.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    All right, Lake. There is no need for you to get your pantaloons in a bunch. Also, I don’t think you should be the one making jokes about drugs after we all learned that you’re one bad hit away from becoming a full-fledged crackhead.

  • Allenp

    How are the numbers not in Deron’s favor? Way better assists, better shooting percentages nearly equal scoring. Then look at skills. I love Rose’s game but come on.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Philosopher your an idiot if you think Kobe is not top 7 or 10, go ask all the Magazines and Publications, Sports, that put Kobe as the player of the decade over Shaq and Duncan. Go ask NBA legends and even MJ, which most people on slam acts like he never lost a game period.
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Also I am not hating on Lebron, but he was in pass and rebound mode, from the tip I stated to people he would get a triple double, the way he was looking to pass even more. Normally in the Olympics he has been jacking threes or bull dozing folks. Who cares Lebron got his ring when Rose got hurt and KD “choking fire”, is playing better in Olympics CHOKED!!

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @Slick Ric: the most important numbers to me for point guards are the pure point rating, after that the player efficiency rating. deron williams and chris paul have been way better during the last 4 yrs (or longer if we talk about williams and paul) than rose in the pure point rating, more than rose topped williams at times in the player efficiency raring. (leave out pauls injury year(s). that makes not only paul but also williams a better point guard especially regarding the requierements that come with the point guard position. like westbrook, rose would be a better shooting guard than paul or williams. but they all are playing the point guard position. thats why rose comes third at the point guard position along with westbrook and rondo.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @Ric:
    Luv ya’ as well.
    But one has to look at that list from a historical perspective.
    With those players, along with The King, the history is the main theme.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The Seed:
    My guy, The Seed.
    You know as well as anyone that Joe Bryant’s son is top 25 all time.
    I’m sorry.
    But that is reality, and that is what it is.
    Michael Wilbon has him top 25.
    Man, shout out @The Seed for the way he supports his guy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I will just leave it at Rose is the better player, those two are the better pure PG along with Rondo etc… that’s indisputable and something I’m not arguing.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    In the words of the great Taylor… Ohhhh lawd.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    e.g.: in 2010 / 11 when all three played most of the season rose pure pont rating ranked league wise on no 30 at 4.6 (one rank below westbrook btw who was at 4.6 while pauls ppr stood at 12.0 and williams at 8.6 both in the top 10. i would be suprised if this would change anytime soon. especially after the good squads williams and paul are on after full training camo now the gap between these two and rose should grow, even in 12/13 when rose fully (if ever) recovers from his injury.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @slick rick: couldnt you have posted this a bit earlier? took me like 20 mins to put that together. but what does make him a better overall player then? because he doesnt play shooting guard. he plays the point. shouldnt a player be judged by the position he actually plays? or are you seriously of the oppinion that the bulls would have less success with williams or paul at the helm? i think the opposite would be the case

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Yea phil, you’re list is hot garbage. Pete and john? Ha, you must be droppin acid with lakeshow. .
    And deron is still the best pg in the world.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, you should know by now that was a joke on my part.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    If you’re going to judge him by the standards of his position….dont forget that neither williams nor Paul has had more success team wise than him. We’ll exclude Paul because hasn’t played for a legitimate team but williams has played with virtually the same cast and a Hall-of-fame coach but hasn’t LED his team to the same amount of success. Like I stated previously, only Paul numbers suggest He’s more effective than Rose but WILLIAMS DOES NOT so stop cherry picking with the pure point stat when his eff, per, etc… are less than Roses. Even in a injury plague season, Rose performed better than Williams in these “advanced statistics” you’re bringing up and he outplayed CP3 in a match-up but I’ll stop bringing that up because those are supposedly irrelevant and mean nothing that you out-perform your competition.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @The Philosopher
    Long Live the Prince,
    Seriously you are quoting Mike Wilbon, who thinks Tiger is cool, TO cannot play football, The world is flat, The Washington basketball team nickname is still the Bullets, who thinks Mayweather is scared of little Manny, thinks Ricky Rubio will be a bust, thought Yao Ming would be a bust, thinks the Redskins is owned by Jerry Jones, calls the NBA All Star weekend Black Thanksgiving. He is off, Tony K. is that show. I would rather have Blackstone on their than Wilbon, He acts like he would always be tough on people, then when guests come in, he sucks up. Quote somebody that understands basketball and now obsessed with the Bulls and Bears and Cubs.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    My b Taylor. Internets gets the mind all twisted.
    Frozen Caveman, never done Acid. Don’t plan to. It’s much more easy to “over do it” with LSD than shrooms or weed or even DMT.
    Acid is scary as hell. Not solely because of what it does to the mind, but because of how easy and how much a couple kids could whip up over a weekend. Crazy sh*t right there.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @slick ric: when you do this you have to see the time and the whole picture. rose had more success in the weak east while paul and williams played against a tougher competition for most of the time. we all wont find out how far williams or paul wouldve gotten with quality squads in the east. leave out williams’ time with the jersey nets, that wasnt really a basketball team. look at both, paul and williams this season. they will be in a comparable situation as rose was 2010/2011 and then talk about success. plus, you really think the hornets that paul was leading or the jazz without stockalone wouldve made the playoffs just once by the way rose plays? i really dont think so.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Again, my good brethren. When looking at that list, we have to anticipate what the masses may be discussing a decade from now. 15 years from now.
    We know that there are many players that were/are better than a few of those guys on that list.
    But when we partake in study, we have to think about everything.
    Accomplishments. From a historical perspective.
    As an example, I will use Havlicek. Looks like an ordinary player. Would probably get outplayed by a guy like, Shawn Marion, or somebody.
    But would you consider Marion the greater player, historically?
    No.
    Just is the same with a few players on that list.
    But because of the accolades, and the way they paved the way for a discussion like this, they have to be put in that elite class of true, bonafide all time players in NBA History.
    Such as is The King.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @The Seed:
    You don’t think Eldrick is cool?
    And you know most of those guys on those kinds of television programs play to the cameras a little bit.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @The Philosophlying
    To act like Kobe, an GLOBAL ICON, Number 1 jersey seller worldwide, 5 time champ, the closes player ever to come to MJ accolades, where MJ stated he is comparable to him. To act like Kobe is just another player is straight assine. LOL

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Never said Kobe is just another player. lol
    He’s just a top 25 all time player, whereas The King is a top 15 all time player.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    What are you talking about? You’re playing semantics and that has nothing to do with anything. I have never brought up anything about who would do what on one another’s team. Do people forget that Rose hasn’t always played for Thibs nor the currently constructed team but has never missed the playoffs? He’s already done the carrying his team to the playoffs thing in his sophomore season.

  • http://englishproofreading.org.uk Francis Raines

    Can James actually get any better? The man is a machine.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He “carried” the team his sophomore season? “carried” them? That’s new. That bum Luol was just dead weight huh. You Rose enthusiasts are funny.

  • Lboogie

    Kobe is a basketball God. Other players would be talking in the locker rooms of how he hits shots like nobody is in his face. Gilbert Arenas was praising him on that aspect. What Kobe does is hard to do….Its all Skill and only real basketball players who played at a high level D1/NCAA/Overseas…not some weekend recreation league with your buddies…will understand.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I know what I speak of nbk, you may say I’m being an ” enthusiasts” but Deng was on his way out the door in Roses sophomore season but the bulls couldn’t find any suitors because Deng was having his second mediocre season in a row. In Roses rookie season he was injured for most of the season but I digress, Rose definitely carried that team and Noah was the second most effective player on the team that season. Thibs pretty much Resurrected Dengs career with the Bulls. If Rose didnt carry his team 2009-2010 then neither did CP3 with that bum David West 2010-2011.

  • Lboogie

    Saying Lebron is a top 15 where Kobe is a top 25? Thats Ignorance.

  • Lboogie

    Stop taking DMT, Lebron hasnt done what kobe has done….consecutive 40+ games…81 points…14 3 pointers made…its just individual skill set that sets kobe apart. Kobe did it before all that handchecking BS the NBA has made the game soft. Olympics should put it all in perspective. Lebron uses strength and force. Kobe uses skill and finesse…two different games…just one is more accomplished. Until “the king of 1 ring” wins more…the discussion shouldnt be brought up in present day.

  • Lboogie

    gtfooo

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Nevermind I’m not in the mood to argue with you about this. You clearly don’t know what your talkin about. And if you can’t see the difference between that Hornets team with David West as its second best player and those Bulls with Deng (or Noah if that’s your opinion) as the second best player then that’s fine. Obviously we aren’t arguing logically anymore so I’m straight on this regardless.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    **Excuse me, deng was having his third mediocre season in a row because the 07-08 Bulls team failed to make the playoffs and Deng didn’t live up to expectations after sweeping the Heat in the playoffs the previous season and performing well during that series and the playoffs in general.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Lboogie;
    A member of our brethren who is of high spirit.
    Respect.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Logic huh? How about West being a two time all-star compared to Deng and Noah’s one combined. Not to mention, Omeka Okafor was on that team, which is one of the best defensive centers in the league and not one to sneeze at. Like I stated previously, deng nor Noah was playing at the level they are playing at now, so get that notion out of your head. Vinny del negro was the coach and he didn’t utilize neither ones abilities correctly.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @Ric and nbk…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “Kobe did it all before handchecking”, word? Handchecking was implemented before the 2000 season. Wowzers! Look at there, once again reality doesn’t matchup with certain fans’ perception of Kobe.

  • MUBWAR

    deron williams is 1 of two pgs to average 19 or more points and 10 or more assists for at least 3 seasons. the other is cp3. his last year in Utah, he dropped a cool 21p 4r 9.8a on 47%. Rose can’t smell this

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Okay, brethren…
    Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA.

  • Lboogie

    SO j taylor, youre telling me that when lakers had sacramento/portland series that they were physical. Im sure it beats what we are seeing today. Dude it was evident when Dwade took a ton of freethrows vs the Mavs. The game in the NBA is changing…Kobe did all his work on the court with insane games, The whole point of this game is to score and score the most points. To not credit Kobe is absurd. Until you know how it is to play at the NBA level theres nothing that any civilian can say

  • Lboogie

    The way Lebron plays doesnt match up to what Kobe did and how CLUTCH kobe was on the main stage at a young point in his career. This is why Jordan would average at least 80 ppg in this weak era. Wasnt it implemented in 94…taken out…then handcheckin came back in 2004-05?? wtf yo

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @The Philosopher
    Your wrong about Kobe, its cool, you don’t know anything about basketball. Also Deron Williams is the best point guard in the NBA. Really who would take CP3 over Deron to start a team, NOBODY.Its funny cats try so hard like
    @JTalyer2 to discredit Kobe with his play, when the only comparable player of all time to Kobe is MJ. MJ stated this GUYS, are yall listening. The GREATEST player ever loves Kobe games, talks to him all the time and states he is comparable to him. To act like he is just a player that scores, shows yall lack of basketball skills and knowledge about the game. I have coached basketball and played. I know how hard it is to do what he does. If so everybody would play like Kobe, they can’t, DO YALL REALIZED HOW MANY PLAYERS HAVE BEEN COMPARED TO KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. All of them are gone. Lebron is still compared to Kobe. See some of yall act so happy about a triple double, but the Australia team was still sticking around with Lebron’s triple double. Its nice, but that team had one NBA player and that was a backup. If Lebron does this against Spain, France, Agrentina, then I would say thats great. Lebron was playing against YMCA cats who play together all the time, have team chemistry, play hard, but their talent level sucks. Kobe been putting it work since he has had the opportunity to start on the Lakers. Kobe earned everything, Lebron was given everything. I take Kobe career. Also didn’t Kobe go the NBA Finals three straight years, during Lebron prime years, where he continually choked, then cried his way to the Heat, then Rose got hurt and KD choked. Man Bron has alot of work to do to be on Kobe’s accolades level.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    ??????????????????????????????????????????

  • Lboogie

    yup

  • Lboogie

    Lebron got the rebounds cause them weak aussies kept throwing it off the backboard on transition layup attempts LMAO. Thats not greatness! Greatness is banging in clutch shots to comfort the team. The team looks for someone to lead…Kobe Leads…although Lebron is in training…how else is the torch going to be passed.Team usa is the only chance that NBA stars can get together and teach/mentor…while being on same team. That matters the most..just like a young QB under a HOF QB…Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre or Brees/Philip Rivers. Kobe also put away/deny championships for reggie millers career, iversons, hell even Keith van Horn! Lebron has given away championships…all to kobe :)

  • http://youtu.be/zrHG1pIo_Wo Lboogie

    Trade will be finalized tomorrow probably

  • http://youtu.be/zrHG1pIo_Wo Lboogie

    OOPS MY BAD DEAL COMPLETE HAHAHA

  • http://youtu.be/zrHG1pIo_Wo Lboogie

    DWIGHTS A LAKER!

  • http://gmail.com z

    Lol excellent discussion gents. Intelligence was impressive but i gotta say this: the philosopher should change his name lol bc he’s a disgrace to real philosophers. Its cool that theres a person with an appreciation for basketball and philosophy but philosophers think outside the box. From your comments (not just on this thread, either), i strongly get the impression that that’s not something you do, at least not yet. Also someone should explain to pposse that if youre a homer your opinion is worthless.

  • Beaver

    If Rondo played in the Olympics he be getting 20 dimes a game

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    You gotta know Philo to know that a lot of the stuff he says on these threads are jokes but dude can talk real hoops.

  • peak507

    LBJ enough said!

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @slick ric: my bad, didnt want to change your words. that exchanging teams arguement was mine. with that i didnt want to say that rose had nothing to do with the bulls success, he is obviously a big part of it. but you are right, going further in that discussion about weather dwill, cp3 are better than rose or weather rose is better doesnt make any sense coz everything has been said with no change in anyobodys oppinion. i am just a little suprised to see how little many bulls fans appreciate loul dengs play.

  • jei

    Lebron also part of 2004 Olympic Team..tHE FIRST also, for a professional and him for not winning the Gold!..LOL!..

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Thanks, jei, forgot about Lebron losing 0n 2004 team, but you all know who was missing right on that team. All the coaches in 2008 wanted him bad on the team, he came and played his best in the biggest game to help seal the deal, AKA The Black Mamba.

  • jei

    Yeah you’re right seed KOBE is tha man!.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @danpowers….I respect Luol dengs play NOW but from 07-08 to 09-10, the fact remains that he just wasn’t as effective as he is now, We can check the archives of slam top 100 players from those periods and he’s probably barely making the list because he just wasn’t living up to expectations until Thibs got there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    *Top 50, I’m sorry. So he probably isn’t even on a couple of those list in those selected seasons.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    ‘Kobe earned everything’ never laughed that hard. I mean be real seed.
    I know Kobe accomplished a lot. Period.
    But he was on some very good teams with the right coach. I can’t say that about LeBron. So please stop posting nonsence.
    Do you really think, that your boy Kobe would have beaten the Spurs in the finals had he played with the Cavs.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe did play with the Cavs. That was what he had with those LA teams including Smush and Kwame.
    And he lost in the first round two years in a row.
    He also lost to the same Detroit team, that LeBron eventually beat.

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