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Thursday, February 20th, 2014 at 3:59 pm  |  217 responses

Pacers Trade Danny Granger to 76ers for Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen

 

Just when it seemed like the trade deadline would pass quietly, the Pacers and 76ers pulled off a last-minute deal. Indiana sends Danny Granger and a second-round pick to Philadelphia in exchange for Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen, according to Yahoo. Granger is in the last year of his contract that pays him around $14 million. In 29 games, he’s averaging 8.3 points and 3.6 rebounds. Turner, meanwhile, was averaging 17.4 points and 6 rebounds for Philadelphia and will become a restricted free agent at the end of the season. Allen was playing a shade under 20 minutes per contest, putting up 5.2 points and 5.4 rebounds. 

 

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  • LLC#12

    Wow. Who comes off the bench, Lance or Turner?

  • Roy Blumenfeld

    Indiana’s depth is crazy.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    huge for indy, evan turner will fit perfectly for them this season. whether they resign him or not is the catch.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    the pic on the post for these guys is perfect. evan looks joyous. granger looks meh.

  • Roberto

    As a Pacers fan I really liked (and still do like) Granger, but ever since he came back from the injury he just didn’t seem the same. I don’t know if it was because his injury is still bothering him, he was thinking about his injury and getting in his own head, or he couldn’t find a way to fit in and find a place in the team, but too often he just stood behind the 3 point line and waited. In the 2nd unit he should have been averaging more than 8 or 9 ppg. I wish him the best of luck in Philly and hope he gets back to the player he was before the injury.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    turner. dont mess with a good thing.

  • ATL dynamite

    5 terrific starters, turner scola allen bynum watson off the bench? the heat needs 2 or 3 LeBrons to go against this team.
    and lavoy is an underated pickup. he starts under doug collins for some good reasons.

  • spit hot fiyah

    that’s not even a legit question

  • spit hot fiyah

    doesn’t really matter if they do or not. they were just going to let granger go anyway. their priority will be lance this summer. if they can’t afford him then turner could be a decent consolation. but if they resign lance they wont afford turner. this is a move for this season

  • ATL dynamite

    he is the backup plan for lance most probably. if lance can get some crazy money, turner can pick up most of his role.

  • TR

    Do the Pacers have the cap space to sign Lance if someone gives him a big time deal?

  • spit hot fiyah

    if someone goes all out for him then the pacers don’t have the cap room compete with that

  • Tarzan Cooper

    yea, they gave themselves great flexibility and a very good second option should lance bolt.

  • spit hot fiyah

    when is madvillany 2 dropping?

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Does this officially mean that Danny Granger is washed up and done?

  • shockexchange

    The Pacers have (i) depth, (ii) size and (iii) and plethora of guys who can play multiple positions. The one thing the Heat have that the Pacers don’t —–> “LeBron Rules .. Keys to Stopping LeBron James”

  • ATL dynamite

    now I’m thinking, if loyality as a factor kicks in that makes lance accept a lower salary for good (like 8-10 mil), can they also bring turner back in that case? if it’s possible to use grangers contract to accomodate both turner and lance…. we may witness another indiana golden era.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    that seems sketchy. that would rely on both not getting a big offer. i cant fathom some team not throwing a big pile at lance.

  • Fat Lever

    Lavoy is a guy that floats in and out the flow of a game. He has no motor and a shaky jumper. Trust me, I watched him at Temple and the Sixers. He is an average NBA player on his best day.

  • LLC#12

    Go easy on me spit. I wouldn’t consider benching Lance either, I’m just curious about Turners willingness to come off the bench. I guess any number of minutes for the Pacers still beats languishing on the Sixer roster.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Lance wont give em a discount, he hasn’t made any real NBA money yet… he will sign with thehighest bidder, no matter where at…

  • Fat Lever

    He is going to want 9-10M a year(ET is). I don’t know what the asking price for Lance is, but if it is in that range, I think Lance is capable of doing more and a better defender.

  • ATL dynamite

    yea you have a point, his performance is really fluctuating at times and he rarely participates in offense. but if he performs at a joel-anthony grind type player at worst, being the 6th big man behind hibbert, west, scola, bynum and mahinmi? it may be a bit too luxurious for indiana, esp when frontcourt depth is what miami lacks.

  • Dfrance

    I still see Turner seeing a lot of minutes. They can bench Hill, go big and play point guard by committee between him, Lance and PG. if Vogel has that in his playbook. lol

  • Tarzan Cooper

    the Fat Facts!

  • Dfrance

    Idk, I know loyalty is a fleeting term in pro sports, but I think Lance truly appreciates Indy sticking with him when most teams would have cut him when he was having his off court troubles. Unless its another contender, I don’t see him leaving a great situation strictly for more money.

    I have been wrong before tho. lol

  • ATL dynamite

    yep, if I were Indiana I would go all in for lance and let ET walk if I have to choose. he is more all-rounded than ET both on offense and d.

  • Anthony

    This definetly was a “take out Miami in the post-season” type of move. Evans on the 2nd unit makes Indy’s second unit head and shoulders above Miami’s.

  • Dfrance

    I think this is a great second chance for Granger. The Pacers outgrew him, there was no future for him there. Now he can go to a losing squad and be the man for half a season and prove to teams that he’s still a very good NBA player.

    Or he can continue to stink up the joint and become a journeyman… one or the other.

  • LakeShow

    This will bode well for the Pacers.

  • LakeShow

    That’s a big lineup. Everyone averages over 6 boards a game.

  • Anthony

    Not like you asked me, but I’ll chime in….I don’t think so. He came off an injury and found out his team wasn’t “his” team anymore. Granger was/is a franchise player, and him, a quickly developing Nerlens, some cap room, and a decent draft pick could really change the landscape in Philly. It can go very right or very very VERY wrong.

  • ATL dynamite

    how big the pile’s gonna be is the question tho. if the team that wants lance so bad that they wanna make sure indiana has no chance ever to bring him back, they may pull a phoenix suns-joe johnson scenario, give him so much that he couldnt resist and the suns couldn’t afford. is lance worth a superstar/marquee player money straight off a season of good display? I trust lance but I’m still in doubts.

  • Anthony

    I just hope Danny isn’t a douche and try to pilfer the 76ers pockets. I think he should sign a reasonable short-term “prove yourself” deal and then if you do your thing, put the 76ers on ya back…then get paid!

  • shockexchange

    On paper, the Pacers are formidable. Evans gives them another body who can slow down the Kang on defense and make plays (scoring, assists, rebounds) on offense. However, with “The Rules” firmly in their possession, the Shock Exchange gives the edge to the Heat.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would like someone to explain to me how this trade makes Indiana better outside of having a worse back up for Lance Stephenson incase he loses his cool and gets suspended for a game in the playoffs.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    Well clearly he is not a dynamic scorer he once was in 2008

  • Nathan Shane Long

    STOP IT

  • Tarzan Cooper

    couldnt get any worse than this season in philly.

  • Nathan Shane Long

    The Pacers straight up ROBBED the 76ers with this trade as they got a nice young shooting guard for a washed up player 5 years past his prime

  • Tarzan Cooper

    is this realtea?

  • Tarzan Cooper

    time is not on his side

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    seriously, Evan Turner has not even been an average NBA player, he can’t shoot, and he is terrible defensively……how does that help Indiana? whose minutes and possessions should he get? Danny Granger, while a shell of his former self, is still a better defender and shooter…which is exactly what Indiana needs to beat a team like Miami.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    it will be a gamble for whichever team signs him.

  • pposse

    well for one he can sneak up on you a do a 360 windmill dunk

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yup. if everyone would actually think about Indiana and what they need vs what they got, i think more people would see it this way.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    big if true

  • LakeShow

    You should explain why this trade wouldn’t make them better. That is the more notable idea…

  • Nathan Shane Long

    YOUR A F’N CLOWN JUST STOP POSTING COMMENTS YOU’RE DONE FOR TODAY

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i think they need more dynamic point guard play. and of course, you can never have enough defensive guys to throw at lebron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i did in a different comment, idk what happened to it. but i want to see the rationale before my opinion plays any role on someone else’s initial reaction. do you think Evan Turner improves Indiana more than marginally at best? because i don’t.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Evan Turner is a terrible defender. Terrible.

  • LakeShow

    No I think it is marginal. But when you are the 2nd favorite to win a chip, marginal improvement can end up being HUGE.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    solid rebuttal.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    im questioning my own sanity when i find myself agreeing with nathan.
    evan isnt all that, but he is young and has plenty of potential, vogel and george, etc will make him play better defense. granger, will never be what he once was. past tense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Evan Turner is going to cost a minimum of 8.6 million this summer to retain. If he’s not better than Danny Granger right at this very moment, then this was a mistake.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i wasnt saying he was a defensive guy

  • 2chainz

    In my opinion I think Indiana is neutral.They did not get better and they did not get worse. the only benefit you could say is Evan Turner is much younger and can stay healthy.

  • LakeShow

    Tarzan… You’re incredible.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    this move was also to give them some kind of backup plan if they cant match lance’s offer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so you think giving him possessions that normally go to George/Stephenson/West/Hibbert is a positive? while also putting in a net negative defender?

  • Nathan Shane Long

    And Roy Hibbert is the very best paint protector in the league so your point is?

  • Tarzan Cooper

    young players do improve their skillset over time and with positive influences.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s fair. i think they improved marginally, but i don’t think this trade moves the meter at all. his best role will be to serve as Lance Stephenson’s back up. Which is worse than having George playing the 2 and Granger being the back up, imo.

  • Mariano

    Can’t believe you got thumbed down. This means that people really think that a guy like Turner who demands the ball and is inefficient can help a team like Indy. I honestly feel like Indy needed a better playmaker, not a ball-stopper.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    how so, when that marginal improvement improves you in the exact ways you don’t need improving? Evan Turner effectively makes them worse at the things that it takes to beat Miami…..

  • Tarzan Cooper

    no, why would anyone not run the play through those guys?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    foul trouble, nathan, foul trouble.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because you are playing shoot first evan turner at point guard….

  • Tarzan Cooper

    more dynamic point guard play, like i said.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    im certain vogel will put different ideas in his head.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    thanks, you too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well yeah, i don’t necessarily think they needed anything. if they were going to beat Miami, they were going to beat Miami. Evan Turner isn’t going to affect that in a positive way.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tarzan …. did you watch Evan Turner in the playoffs against Miami for even a game last season?

  • Tarzan Cooper

    no. im not saying evan is the dynamic point guard play they need. im typing in generalities. same as defensive guys to throw at lebron. evan and copeland are poor options for that assignment. all they have is george and lance.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well what good do generalities do? Indiana is about a championship, doing anything that affects those aspirations is relevant to discuss, right?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i doubt it….Evan Turner is out there playing 35mpg, going from that to what, maybe 20? he doesn’t even have enough time to adjust to that type of drastic role change.

  • Lloyd

    I don’t get it. Indiana is great as is and look stronger than Miami already. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i think this move was less about this season and more about the future. they obviously were not going to pay granger more than an airplane bag of peanuts, and they flipped him for a backup plan in case they cant keep lance. not a shabby move.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the minimum they can sign Evan Turner for (his qualifying offer, since he was drafted #2 and his rookie deal is up) is $8.6 million. Without Granger (which has been the plan all along) they have between $10-$12 million to offer Stephenson per season. And Lance is Larry Bird’s guy, let’s just say that keeping Evan Turner holds absolutely no priority to them, he is a rental at the moment, and that’s exactly how they see him.

  • bleek911

    its gonna be great when the Heat pick up Granger

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i agree. HOWEVAH, in the event they cant resign lance, they gave themselves the option of signing turner. clearly lance is better. but turner is better than nothing, and hes still young enough to get much better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would rather let Evan Turner walk then pay him $9 million dollars a season my man

  • KingBenjamin

    Good deal for Indy, Turner’s having a career year and Indy only gets a deeper bench with Turner now being Lance’s backup, not to mention they get rid of Granger who’s been useless the last 2 seasons.

    But for Philly, I don’t see why they would take a player in Granger who’s on the wrong side of 30 and hasn’t really played much the last 2 seasons due to injury, only reason I can think of is because his contract comes off the books after this season. If I were Philly I would have tried trading Turner to Cleveland for Waiters, that way they could have continued with their youth movement.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    indy might agree, but they have that option. if they lose lance and dont want to sign turner, what other sgs do they have on their roster? what free agents could they sign? they gave themselves a bit more flexibility. that is never a bad thing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it is if it affects your aspirations now. i would rather have Danny Granger on my roster for the playoffs then have the option of retaining Evan Turner if i lose out on Lance Stephenson (who i more than likely won’t lose out on).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Westbrook back tonight btw.

  • Cortez Mack

    “only reason I can think of is because his contract comes off the books after this season.”

    Bingo.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    the more than likely part is pure speculation.
    these are the tough decisions gms have to face. this year vs the future.
    they got something for granger. who they were going to let walk. maybe they cant keep lance. then what? copeland start for them next season?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no it isn’t. just by going off of the CBA and how free agency works, it’s more than likely for every team to retain every free agent.
    .
    let’s put it like this, unless Lance Stephenson gets a max contract, they will keep him. And even if he did leave, they will have plenty of money to sign a better player than Evan Turner.
    .
    lets say they miss on Stephenson, they can sign Luol Deng or Trevor Ariza. Both of whom fit Indiana’s needs A LOT better than Evan Turner.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    wont deng be getting very similar money to lance? ariza and george would be some big wings

  • Harvey

    Deng is an unrestricted free agent this summer, but Cavs reportedly were willing to trade him now. Pacers shoulda went for him. A far better wing defender than Turner. He would been perfect for the Playoffs. The problem woulda been his minutes on that Pacers team. Still, “renting him” for the last part of this season would’ve been useful. He’s making similar money (if not more) btw.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    like i said, only way they don’t keep Lance is if he gets a max contract. Luol isn’t getting more than $11 per year at his age. He’s probably plan b, with Ariza at C, some other guys at D, and then Evan Turner around M. (last part is an exaggeration).

  • Tarzan Cooper

    deng on the pacers would be monstrous. id think the pacers saved a few million with this trade, just a guess.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah they definitely saved a couple bucks immediately. but that isn’t a reason to make such a trade when you are talking championship, at least not imo.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    deng, scola, watson. what an eight man rotation that would have been. i like the pacers options going forward. of course, prime directive is keep lance.

  • Harvey

    Any ideas on who you think Deng will sign with this summer? I’m assuming a contender. But I imagine he will demand a high salary. I know a LOT of teams could use him. Just who will pay around $10-12M for him I wonder.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    depends if Luol wants money or to play for a contender. (imo) Dallas is probably the favorite to sign Deng at the moment. i think Shawn Marion goes ring chasing, and that spot opens up for a guy like Deng.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    it helps. i dont know if it keeps them out of the repeater tax, but if it did, then i think it was worth it. i just didnt see granger as very valuable to the pacers this season. is he really that much better than copeland? i dont think so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah they are in no risk for the repeater tax this season. they aren’t even eligible.
    .
    Granger is a lot better defensively then Copeland. He’s a veteran. And he’s not at all afraid of the Heat. I would rather have that guy when things get rough then Turner or Copeland.

  • Harvey

    I was gonna say the Lakers, but they really need to sort their inside game first and foremost. But they would have money, and I think LA would be attractive for him. Dallas never occurred to me, but you never know.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i see what you are saying. i dont see granger as that good defensively. better than copeland and turner for sure, but i dont see him as necessary.
    however this works out, indys immediate and long term futures are excellent.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well the Lakers don’t really have cap space to spend on a non superstar, i don’t even consider them a possibility.

    Dallas has the most money in the league available this summer, and have shown to still be playoff caliber, Deng could get 3 years $30+ million, which would be better than anyone other playoff team will offer i presume

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i’m not panicking, and i don’t think this trade makes them worse per say, i just wouldn’t have done it.

  • VanCityBBall

    I agree with you on the sense that Even Turner is not that great defensively but now he has Roy Hibbert to help at least some of those mistakes. I’m a strong believer that even PG would not be the defender he is today knowing he can challenge more with Hibbert behind him…

  • LakeShow

    My thought exactly…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you want to risk Roy Hibbert getting into foul trouble tho?

  • LakeShow

    Depends on if Bynum is capable of 20 mpg.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think we all know he is not

  • Tarzan Cooper

    i did not realize dallas had plenty of cap space. dirk, monta, jose, + deng? they look good.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dirk’s contract is up, so they have $27.9 million to work with

  • Tarzan Cooper

    can bynum even bowl for 20 minutes anymore?

  • VanCityBBall

    Roy has been known for the “rule of verticality” so that can help a bit i’m not worried about foul trouble…and even just having him in the lane opponents will at least think twice before driving into the lane… then again who knows how much time will they spend on the floor together?

  • Tarzan Cooper

    hmm, i wonder how much dirk is going to want? 12? 15?

  • LakeShow

    Maybe not. Ehh, probably not, but that is their plan anyway.

    “The plan with Andrew Bynum is to use the end of the season to get him acclimated and up to speed and to have him be a force for us in the playoffs,” head coach Frank Vogel said. “That’s the goal. Everything is with that in mind.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i’m not saying it’s definitely an issue, i’m just saying i don’t see how Evan Turner improves THIS indiana team. he’s got the chance to be a decent player someday, but he has not shown to be any sort of net positive yet, and poses more risks than rewards from my perspective.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ehh, true or not, you can’t really think they are making moves with that in mind. That’s why they got Lavoy Allen, Scola/West have each been playing 30+mpg, and they can’t give any of those minutes to Bynum. I know I know, Lavoy Allen is straight up trash, but 12 minutes of him is better than Luis Scola dying.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    I thought Deng was looking for a longer deal (Presumably he left Chitown bc they won’t sign him for more than 3 years?)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    something in the Tim Duncan range yeah.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    More so, if I remember correctly, the 30Mil/3yrs is exactly what he declined in Chicago. Why will he take it in Dallas?

  • VanCityBBall

    Hmmmm I see what your saying now… But who knows just the change of culture could do miracles.. btw ^ that was my up vote

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah he is, that’s why i said 3 years 30+ million

  • LakeShow

    Granger is actually terrible at defense now. Like Evan Turner bad. And his shooting in what we saw of him was awful this season. Turner is definitely the better option at this point from any perspective besides contract situation this summer.

  • aspc

    Maaan we’ve been waiting too long for this! Word is it’s all on DOOM. Madlib is ready.

  • Tarzan Cooper

    dallas has got some options. good for them.

  • The Seed

    The people stating Evan Turner cannot play is not that much better than Granger, do not know basketball. Turner can play point thru small forward, also he does play defense. Playing on the 76ers, would make anyone look bad, but his skill set is alot higher. I actually would rather start Turner and have Stephenson come off the bench, personally. Great trade for the Pacers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yup, Danny Granger’s shooting (so far this season, 1,233 less minutes than Evan Turner) has been terrible, but it’s still be better than this….. Evan Turner is shooting 28% from 3……
    .
    Evan Turner has the exact same offensive rating as Danny Granger ….. and Evan Turner is having the best season of his career, Granger….his worst.
    .
    Evan Turner is a 25 year old going from 15 shots a game and 35 minutes, to the bench. You think he just swimmingly makes that transition?
    .
    In what way is Evan Turner superior to Danny Granger?
    .
    And where in the world did you get that Danny Granger is terrible defensively? his opponent PER this season at small forward is 9.0 ….. and at PF? 10.0 —– which at SF is better than Paul George. So what in the world makes you think he’s terrible right now?

  • JJ Jones

    I definately agree with this except that.turner is a terrible defender. It realy shouldnt matter with roy hibbert protecting the rim though

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • JJ Jones

    Well hes younger and the pacers no longer have to concern themselves with the possibility that granger might go down again

  • SwissArmyKnife5

    I agree with you, but I would bring him off the bench…then he could play point forward for the 2nd unit, and if Lance starts going And1 MixTape you could insert ET.

  • LakeShow

    LOL yes lets pretend that DG’s defensive rtg is relevant on the best defensive team in the L in 20mpg in 25 games against 2nd units.

  • The Seed

    Playing in Philly can do that to you, ask any 76er on the team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s an article comparing him to his teammates, cutting the whole need to make that ignorant assumption out altogether.

  • The Seed

    Its a team, not a player. Just look at it now, people think Ray Allen plays defense now. Really people do, just read articles and anaylst. I remember watching the playoffs and one broadcaster stated Ray Allen is playing the best one one defense of his career. Really, Just wait, everyone will change their tune on ET’s defense.

  • The Seed

    Stats do lie, but I respect the article. I just think he can play, we can revisit this discussion after he has played at least 25 games.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    we will know how good he is defensively by how many minutes he gets. i’m prepared to be wrong, but as of this point in his career, he’s been atrocious defensively, and that is compared to people who wear the exact same jersey.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i didn’t post his defensive rating. you said he’s a terrible defender, but have no actual reason to believe that. i am asking you where your opinion is coming from.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is the best argument i have heard for this trade thus far.

  • LakeShow

    LOL again… I’m basing it on the 8+ times I watched him play this season.

  • LakeShow

    Because it’s so obvious that no one mentioned it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So am I, and the numbers back up what I’ve seen. He’s not what he was, but he’s still clearly better than Turner on that end.

  • The Seed

    Right now based off the numbers you are right, we will see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol, oh ok Lakeshow, you aren’t the guy who wanted me to spell out what I was saying the other day rather than assuming people would understand are you? Oh well, i still don’t agree with it. I never assume a player will get hurt or base an opinion on that assumption.

  • LakeShow

    Unless it’s Bynum.

    Listen dooood, I get it. He’s not a godsend by any means. He’s not what the Pacers “need”, but he is a capable young player. And Granger is a question mark more than ET is all that I’ve been arguing. And ET has shown that he can shoot the ball when a little pressure is taken off of him.

  • http://RAPTORS.COM/ BRAVO

    Lol I remember when he got drafted ppl were saying he was the next Brandon Roy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I am not assuming Bynum will get injured. I know he is injured. He admitted he plays in extreme pain. .
    Argue for whatever you feel, but don’t make up reasons to support your opinion just for the sake of having them

  • LakeShow

    What was made up where?

  • JJ Jones

    Yeah thats what tends to happen. Sometimes it isnt about individual defense but the defensive scheme itself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Well for instance in the comment I was replying to you said “Evan Turner can shoot when a little pressure is taken off” – despite there being no actual reason to believe that, nor a reason to think pressure on Evan Turner in Indiana will be less in the first place. It’s just a made up reason to support your opinion.

  • Daniel Noel

    wonderful trade for indy!

  • LakeShow

    36% on 3 pointer with 2 attempts per game last season is proof of a decent shooting touch.

    How could there be as much pressure on him in IND where he will be a 5th or 6th option as there was in Philly where he was the 1st option.

    You’re killing it today man.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Well shooting shots for a team that is expected to lose comes with a lot less pressure than shooting shots for a team expected to win

  • LakeShow

    Not in game pressure.

    In game pressure will be less due to defenses not planning for him nearly as much. Locker room pressure will be at its highest level though.

    I think you’re being unnecessarily harsh in your judgement of this trade.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    In game pressure? He’s never played a single game in the conference finals. In game pressure he’ll see in Indiana is something he’s never been through before. And I hate to break it to you but nobody is really trying to prevent him from shooting in Philadelphia anyway

  • Fat Lever

    I’m going to assume this was directed at me. I have watched almost every Sixer game during ET’s tenure. I actually was a huge fan of the pick in 2010. Off the bat, how many Sixer games with ET have you watched?
    He is an ineffecient scorer and among the worst finishers at the rim. While this wouldn’t be a big deal if he had an above average mid/long range game and if he got to the line more frequently, it’s wouldn’t be a big deal. It, however, is a big deal.
    His defense is bad. There’s no other way to put it.
    One thing he does very well is rebound. That, I can’t deny.
    People on the outside looking in, looking at his numbers, will say he is a good player. He is one of those cases where the numbers are misleading.

  • Fat Lever

    Slow down son, you’re killin ‘em.

  • LakeShow

    Man… being a ball player, you should know… On the court, all that pressure goes away.

    It’s all about how much attention the defense gives you. If you don’t think teams weren’t planning for ET, your not as knowledgeable as I thought.

    We have come to impasse. Have a good night.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol if you really think any of us have experienced anything like playing infront of millions of people for the chance at an NBA title then you are much more naive then I thought. Whatever buddy, it’s not like our opinion is rooted in reality that often

  • LakeShow

    Obviously I have no idea. Kinda like another guy I know.

  • berkamore

    Co-sign 1000%. Remember that Larry Bird is running the Pacers and he likes to build his team in a certain way, deep, with a lot of young athletic guys.

    I remember when Indy played the Bulls in the playoffs in 98, Jordan STRUGGLED because Bird (who was coaching the Pacers) just kept sending in young guys to guard him. (sometimes he wouldn’t put a guy in before the fourth quarter then put him on Jordan who was tired by then. MJ even a SCORELESS fourth quarter, I believe. It was beautiful to watch).

    Remember the team Bird put together before the brawl in the Palace dismantled it: young, deep and athletic. They would have made some noise if it hadn’t been for that brawl.

    Now Bird has build yet another team the way he likes it: young, deep and athletic. Which is kind of the way his Celtics Teams were btw: Very deep (although they got older towards the end of the 80s)

    My point is this: I saw ET play and he has a lot of flaws but he’s 25, 6″7 and athletic. Bird is probably saying to himself: LBJ is a great player but Wade is getting older and apart from Bosh and maybe Ray Ray, James has little help on the Heat.

    So Bird is probably betting that one guy can’t beat a whole team, or even if he does, he can’t, in the immortal words of Jason Terry, do it for seven games. Furthermore, the Pacers are winning with airtight defense and great coaching. And these are going to be there every night. (Shooting comes and goes) I can’t wait for the playoffs………………

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Thank you Fat

  • pat

    I prefer Granger over Turner

  • shockexchange

    A bunch of guys who are unselfish, multi-skilled, no egos, who know their role and play it well. Hard not to cheer for the Pacers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I expect to be called out if I’m wrong man, don’t forget

  • davidR

    doom too busy collabing with clarks

  • davidR

    dirk, deng, and monta would be tremendous

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol looks like most of the crowd thinks I’m the one gettin killed

  • DJ_BobbyPeru

    I do feel sorry for Granger, though. He said the right things even though he probably wanted to start, figuring he would be competing for a championship. Now he’s in Philly.

  • LouisVuittonDon

    The mistakes Turner is making in the clips in your link are just not knowing where your man is.. that is simply poor coaching combined with a lack of effort, vogel can easily fix that.

  • 2chainz

    but they have been talking a lot and have not proven anything yet.

  • backboard

    I dont know man. not sure who to believe. should i go with the mighty larry bird – the guy thats as smart as anyone in the league and where we all know his competitive spirit wouldnt allow him to hurt his pacers / plus i dont remember bad dealings in the past.
    or should i go with nbk, a rude and arrogant know-it-all, who infamously predicted before the season that lillard wouldnt get any better than last season, and whose only claim-to-fame is being an absolut daily douche on a comment section.

    (btw kids: couple years ago nbk was treated by regulars just like he treats most commenters today. he was just a kid-troll. so, dont worry, you too can eat enough sh! t to become king of the turd-pile. or ask caboose – that guy is well on the way.)

    oh, and i will go with bird. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Reading is hard

  • yes

    I remember that too. he was the equivalent of todays nathan shane long. now he’s mister big shot because those guys all got real lives and moved on. funny.

  • shockexchange

    True. They’re protesting “too loudly” though. The more they say they want to face Miami, the more the Shock Exchange things they’re scared the death of Miami.

  • aspc

    Nah man they’ve been talking like this from the start of the season. They want Miami and it’s refreshing. Enough pc talk. Enough buddy buddy stuff. They do not like them and it’s good for the game.

  • Fitzy

    or just playing for an elite level team versus a tanking team.

  • JL

    Having Granger off the bench was a luxury, but I think it was his health mainly that made then trade him. The sixers don’t care. They just didn’t want to have to be pressured into paying Turner.

  • MasterSplinter

    Michael Beasley is very similar talent wise to Danny Granger. In my personal opinion, I think Danny Granger on a different team, and another half year of play, should be putting up close to double the numbers he has put up this year. I think it was the right move for Indiana, and at the same time, the right move for the 76ers. Granger needed a chance to get his confidence back. Also, the point that people are pointing out is irrelevant about Evans…. If defense was the weak part of his game, then what a great situation for him to be in, being on the number one defensive team in the league. They are that way for a reason. Anybody who has ever been a real basketball player, knows defensive starts and ends with the mind, and it is a mindset. The best thing that could have ever happened to Evans happened to him. Same for Granger to be honest. They both extended their careers in my humble, humble, humble noble opinion.

  • backboard

    would you like to elaborate on yet another smart-ass-comment or is that all you got?

  • backboard

    thank you. i was wondering if i was the last not-commenting-just-reading-and-judging person left from that time. i remember clearly when nbk came along, just spouting off irrelevant and mostly obnoxious stuff. no one would take him serious. your nathan analogy is actually spot on.

    but then he noticed the power of statistics…….. :)

  • ThaSupremeKai

    Why isnt Chris Copeland getting any mins? Defense as well?

  • PG24fan

    Granger is way better than Beasley. Well he WAS way better than Beasley anyway. Beasley was only good in H.S. and college.

  • PG24fan

    Granger can’t shoot. When he was healthy he was a Great shooter. Now he is terrible.

  • PG24fan

    IF Granger can get back to his former self, the Sixers got a steal. The problem is Danny Granger is not even close to the player he was pre-injury. I don’t know if that has anything to do with him knowing that he was on borrowed time in Indiana or what. Pre-injury Granger was one of the best SFs in the league. Post-injury he is a TERRIBLE shooter that misses almost every shot badly. It’s like he didn’t practice his shot at all in the offseason or after his return this season. It was kind of like watching Paul George shoot during his rookie year. (Cringe Worthy). That being said, I hope this trade works out for both teams.

  • JJ Jones

    My point exactly not to mention evan turner wint have the pressure of a number 1 option anymore. What isnt being mentioned is that this puts additional defensive pressure of dwyane wade at all.times now

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nah man, your comment doesn’t need a real response

  • Fat Lever

    I think the ET-Philly relationship had run it’s course. Being the second pick, the expectations were that he was going to be a leader and star(at a minimum).

    That never manifested, both ET and the fans grew frustrated with each other. It didn’t help that he clearly quit on the team the last several weeks.

    He’s going to want 10+M a year, I can almost guarantee it. There was no way Philly was paying that, not with Hinkie around. I think his best role is the first guy off the bench that can run the offense while the starting/primary ball handler sits. Is this someone you pay that kind of money to?

  • Fat Lever

    I have watched ET’s game for almost 4 years now. He is what he is. Zach Lowe summed it up perfectly. Everyone here should check that out.

  • JL

    Heck no. I bet the Pacers will make him take 5-6 mil a year though for a 4 year extension.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s an unrestricted free agent, and has no bird rights if they don’t offer him the $8.6 million dollar extension. Basically, they can’t resign him for less than $8.6 million a season.

  • LakeShow

    Nice personal attack. Very solid form.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol me calling you naive is a personal attack?

  • LakeShow

    Whatever buddy, it’s not like our opinion is rooted in reality that often.

    Was trying to be a rude dick, but just realize that’s exactly what you said.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know exactly what i said. i was just saying both of us are arguing over something that neither can prove in reality. both of us agree that the trade made a marginal difference, i just don’t think it helps against Miami which is speculation, and you think it does, which is also speculation. i wasn’t trying to be a dick. i thought that’s what you were aiming at with the dig about how knowledgeable i am, but that comment implies that game planning for Evan Turner doesn’t include letting him shoot (which is exactly what teams encourage him to do) so i ignored it because it seemed more emotional than rational.

  • LakeShow

    That’s not what you were arguing, but thanks for clearing up what you actually meant to say.

    Naw, never said it “helps” against Miami. I just think it doesn’t make a difference between him and DG or may help in the slightest of measurements just because of his youth, versatility, and the fact that DG is probably injury prone at this point and not any more than marginally better at anything.

    You think it’s emotional to think that teams game plan for Even Tanner?

    Okay.

    They sag off of him for sure, but he’s not incapable of making shots from anywhere on the floor. His versatility and rebounding ability will mesh him in nicely imo. Plus they don’t ‘need’ him or Granger. They are bonuses at best.

    Now we can wait and watch.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “do you think Evan Turner improves Indiana more than marginally at best? because i don’t”

    ” Evan Turner effectively makes them worse at the things that it takes to beat Miami…..”

    that is exactly what i was arguing, and exactly what i was saying the entire time. reading is fundamental.

  • LakeShow

    lol f*ck you dude.

  • LakeShow

    “i was just saying both of us are arguing over something that neither can prove in reality.”

    You never said that in any form before just saying it now.

    I agree reading is fundamental.

  • backboard

    i figured. so, do you want to talk about your lillard predictions from last year?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, show me what i said that is so wrong. not what you think i said, but what i did in fact say.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    not knowing where your man is, is a lack of coaching? an individual getting lost on defense is his coaches fault? looooooooool, there is absolutely no accountability in your world?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yep i just read Lowe and Simmons back and forth. That’s all I was trying to say, I’m just not nearly as talented with words

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    I don’t know if it makes them much better, but I don’t think it makes them worse. I’m guessing they did it for a couple reasons. Danny Granger probably wasn’t going to play a huge role in their playoffs, if he stayed healthy. They saved some cash, and possible have a cheaper alternative if they can’t afford to bring Lance Back.

  • JL

    Weird Spotrac has him as a RFA.
    http://www.spotrac.com/nba/indiana-pacers/evan-turner/
    But even if the QO is 8.6 that doesn’t mean the contract he agrees to needs to be for that value per year. That number only matters if he decides to take the QO instead of signing a longer contract. As far as I understand it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I wasn’t clear enough. He becomes unrestricted IF he’s not offered the qualifying deal

  • JL

    Yeah I looked into it more. They have until June 30th to offer him the QO. The Pacers have some time to see how he fits. He will become a UFA this year if they don’t offer him the QO. Or if he takes the QO and plays next year for the QO amount he will be UFA the year after. Either way, maybe he will be better as a sixth man type, playing against other teams’ bench players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They are not paying the luxury tax to keep him as far as I’ve heard. They won’t even do it to keep Lance Stephenson.

  • JL

    Not even Lance? Wow. I can understand not keeping Turner. I see that Lance is a UFA as well. Man it’s looking like the Pacer’s best chance to win is this year. They must be either really worried about the Granger knees failing during the playoffs or like either Turner and/or Lavoy Allen. Granger was an expiring contract. So is Turner and Allen, so I guess they went younger and saved a couple mil with options for the young ones. Granger is a lost cause. I still like the idea of him coming off the bench as a former elite scorer though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    At the moment They have enough money to keep Lance unless someone else offers him a max

  • JL

    He’s not a bad 5th wheel I guess. They clearly are paying George and Hibbert max money as their pillars. David West is getting 12 mil. George Hill is getting 8 mil.

  • backboard

    no, i am not gonna look it up on the weekend. but, i will. and i am pretty sure that you said he wouldnt get any better than his last season. thing about it is, you can say that, you have a right to say that. its your opinion.
    but you say stuff like that as if it was carved in stone. and denounce anyone who dares to think otherwise..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ok, you go back and find me saying Lillard wouldn’t get “any” better like it was a fact. Talk to you next week.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t know for sure but that and his lack of agility/ball handling don’t mesh with Indiana’s system

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I was explaining this “Whatever buddy, it’s not like our opinion is rooted in reality that often” dude. Read what I said over again or something, stop being defensive.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He’ll probably get in the range of 3 years 33-36 million or 2 years 25 million if i had to guess. But it’s just a guess, I have no special info

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