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Thursday, June 23rd, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  43 responses

NBA Players Union Very Unhappy With Latest Proposals from Owners


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Coming off of one of the most exciting NBA seasons in League history, the prospect of a lockout seems almost unimaginable. But, of course, it seems like this is where we’re headed.

The Players’ Union went on the offensive following their latest meeting with NBA team owners, verbally lashing out and making it clear that the gulf between players and the people who pay their salaries has perhaps never been bigger.

Both Derek Fisher and Billy Hunter faced the media to explain the players’ side of the story, and neither one minced words:

The union for NBA players spoke out Wednesday about how livid they are that owners are not only asking for $7 to $8 billion in concessions in a proposed new collective bargaining agreement, but also are asking players to give back $160 million that was withheld from their paychecks last season. The $160 million was collected under the so-called “escrow tax” system to ensure that players received no more than 57 percent of basketball-related income. That money is scheduled to be disbursed to players in August.

“To me, it speaks to the arrogance they have in approaching us,” union president Derek Fisher said. “Trust and loyalty pretty much go out the window when it comes to business. We haven’t been partners in this venture from day one. We’ve been employees, the talent that has grown the game. It’s difficult to be partners in recovery when we haven’t been partners in generating those losses.”

“A lot of players are calling thinking we’ve gotten beyond the flex-cap issue, and that’s just not true,” Fisher said, adding that when the sides’ respective positions are spelled out in greater detail to players, the tone of the conversations shift. “Guys are in total disbelief and are asking ‘Why are we even meeting?’” Fisher said.

Yeah, so none of the above is good or even remotely encouraging news.

It might be time to start thinking about taking up a new hobby to replace watching NBA basketball for a while.

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  • Thor

    This is terrible

  • Thor

    Way to go numbnuts

  • Eddie1

    Illuminati.

  • giogolo

    word to owners: GO F*CK URSELVES. U GREEDY BASTARDS BILLIONS AIN’t ENOOUGh YOU ALL WANT TO BATHE IN GOLD EACH DAY WHILE MILLIONS WHO WATCH THE GAME LIVE AN ORDINARY LIFE BUT STILL SOME STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY YOUr CRAP MERCHANDISE. You desecrate the game of basketball. I guess not watching the NBA finals was good practice. and it’s always better to be ur own boss no matter what. im outta here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    Posturing, that is all. Both sides do it, to get to a place in the middle. There will probably be a lockout of some sort, but the ’11/’12 season will happen. Too much money to be made esp. since there was so much interest this past season. None of these ‘numbnuts’ (word to Thor) are that stupid.

  • Riggs

    the same can be said of football (which generates way more than the NBA) and look how that’s going. They better get their ish together and look at the NFL’s situation to see how NOT to go about this business.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s crazy that the owners just want the players to give up $160 million of THEIR money. What the hell is that?

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    TURRIBLE just TURRIBLE!

  • mj23

    I hope there is a lockout. These spoilt rich athletes make way too much money. I’m looking forward to college football; who cares about the NBA.

  • JD

    in fairness the owners could reduce wages if they really felt like it they could just all make an unwritten law that you dont pay over such n such amount, and last time i checked the owners offered the players this amount of money, they really want to change the cba to save them from themselves

  • Red Star

    What a joke!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You can’t make unwritten rules. That’s called collusion.
    The owners are upset because some of them have teams in smaller markets that have trouble competing for the best talent against larger teams. They have decided that if they can’t get a single superstar to build their merchandising and advertising campaigns around, then they will flounder.
    However, they are ignoring the fact that successful teams that build community loyalty can thrive regardless of whether they have an uberstar. If your team is a serious contender, you will sell tickets. If not, you won’t unless the fans in your city are just true fanatics.
    Teams could work harder at building financially balanced teams, instead they just want quick fixes.

  • robb

    @Allenp that’s so true, unfortunately owners are so greedy they probably can’t understand it.

  • Bambe

    For young fans of the NBA,autumn and winter of 1999 were very very long. A nightmare.

  • Lower East Scribe

    Winter is coming. If you don’t watch game of thrones on HBO, you probably don’t get the joke, but if you do…you know how bad this looks.

  • Jeremy

    Um… well.. I may be alone in this. But players are overpaid, all of them. They aren’t heroes just basketball players.

    Owners invest, and want to see some return which to me is fair.

    Hard cap is the best thing in my opinion.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    While we’re all bashing on the owners here for being greedy, let’s not forget that the players form the other layer of this sh*t sandwich. I mean, any group that even has $160 million to give up is living a whole different kind of life than I am. No doubt both sides here have a whole different perspective on the value of money than you and or I, you know what I mean? To me, I’d be p*ssed at them both if/when there’s a lockout. They can argue about revenue sharing/contract lengths/whatever…all I know is whatever agreement they come up with isn’t going to make the cost of game tickets or jerseys any cheaper. Fans are the ones who will be paying for whatever new agreement they reach.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m not pissed at either side, to be honest.
    They provide an ancillary service to my life that I will miss, but it’s not like it’s going to honestly impact my well being. Hell, it will probably make it even easier to spend quality time with my wife and kids.
    I don’t care that they make a lot of money. Every person on Wall Street makes a ton more money than me, and will likely make that money for 20-30 years despite actions that DO have a negative impact on my well being. Those people make me far more angry that 350 basketball players who play a game for money. Honestly, if I was among the top 350 people in the world at my job, and the business I was in produced billions of dollars in revenue, I would expect a substantial chunk of the revenue. Period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    This is worse then what the NFL owners want

  • Riggs

    @lower east scribe: i guess derek fisher is thyrion?

  • http://djfklf.com Jukai

    I will say though, the players union hasn’t exactly been smart about the negotiations. They spent so much damn effort on worrying about guarenteed contracts (honestly the least of their worries and a more reasonable thing the owners wanted to take away) that the owners said “fine, we will keep the guarentee of contracts. So, what are you gonna give up?” and its been deadlocked since then.

  • http://djfklf.com Jukai

    and no one should ever compare this to the NFL lockout. The NBA owners are losing money, period. They don’t understand why such an investment they made is leaking money and they’re angry. They’re going massively overboard and the players union is making it easy for them by worrying about THEIR money and not future players money.
    The NFL lockout, every single team makes money. The owners just want more money, because they “need it” because they know want to do things make even MORE money.. That, as a player, is hard to swallow.

  • http://djfklf.com Jukai

    And remember, these players are lucky they have such a strong union: I was once highered and then fired six months later because they “overhired and overpayed” their workers and then things hit the fan. That feeling sucks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Oh boy, this doesn’t look good at all

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    co-sign Allenp @ 2:04pm
    I know my girlfriend is secretly rooting for an extended lockout. =)

  • Manu

    ball players shouldnt even make 5 mil a yr…the best should get a couple mil the worst should make wnba money

  • alphabetaherculis

    Max contract for the LBJs, Kobes, Wades should be $10 mil/yr. Everyone else $1 mil. Then price for games should be cut in half across board, including concession prices. Then watch the arenas start to fill up. Right now everything is too expensive that a a family wanting to sit near enough to the action maybe able to go to the game once or twice a yr. For someone to pay $62 mil for 3 yrs to Melo is damn ridiculous. He’s not even worth half of that money to watch and play. I’m a avid watcher of the NBA, but I do hope there is an extended lockout so both sides learn their lessons. When sponsors start to drop they’ll get their act straight.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I assume Manu and Alpha aren’t fans of capitalism and never, EVER want to be rich, correct?
    You people amuse me with your hypocritical stances and faux anger.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^Allenp, some people comment on this sight just to make thier presence known. Its amusing bro.

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Laughable salary ceilings some are coming up with.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I don’t have anything to add regarding the serious debate over profit margins, small market balance, duel economies, the rise of oil prices, the fall of real estate value, sickness, homelessness, bankruptcy, fixed games and team-owner collusion so I’m just going to nod and smile at Manu and Alpha and back away slowly.

  • http://bassbesteck.wordpress.com Bassbesteck

    So NBA 2k11 will be a “ace attorney” type of game? You choose either the owner oir the player and then get in a discussion about taxes, salaries etc.?

    Nice…

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    F*ck the owners.

  • Ronald

    @Bassbesteck: Awesome! Just awesome. But this whole situation is amazingly different to the NFL. In the NFL lockout there are more than two sides of the negotiation.

  • rikson

    “Teams could work harder at building financially balanced teams, instead they just want quick fixes.” -> Seems to me that the players want the same allen! I mean take a look at the FA movement over the last seasons…

  • rikson

    Allen and cantrell… You really dont get the fact that players make to much money…? Wow, just… WOW!

  • FAMOUS SEAMUS

    Let them squabble. They all will learn. If the lockout happens for too long, some fans will get irritated and stop watching. Future losses are greater than gains of now.

    Also, the networks will sue the NBA if certain holiday games are not performed. Thanksgiving, Christmas, MLK day, these all hold a hefty fine if agreements are not met. I heard figures of 70 mil or more per.

  • doyouwantmore

    If everyone in the world agreed to live on about one million dollars a year, the world would have enough money left over to buy a death star to protect us from asteroids.

  • http://SLAM FLIGHT 9

    Dear SLAM, LETS make it real simple to avoid LOCKOUT….

    1. SLAM WILL BUY THE WHOLE NBA
    2. RUSS WILL BE THE COMMISSONER

  • Max

    Hey everyone, check out this blog. It’s a basketball blog written completely by a 13 year old boy. It is very interesting and covers all NBA topics.

    http://nbathroughmyveins.wordpress.com

    Check it out.

  • Bill Sunday

    NBA players are overpaid along with baseball players. 20 out of the 30 NBA teams lost money last season. They just need to cut salaries, concessions, and ticket prices and i bet you the nba would get more fans

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Allenp, I like your arguments. Well-reasoned, informed and intelligent. Thank you, sir.

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