Friday, December 4th, 2009 at 4:56 pm  |  88 responses

A Simple Question: Why?

An open call to those who oppose the WNBA.

by Ben YorkCandace Parker & Dwight Howard

This isn’t a set-up or a trap. It’s not a social experiment. It’s not a trick, and it certainly isn’t an excuse to be rude or irresponsible. Rather, I’m genuinely offering a platform to those who aren’t fans or followers of the WNBA a chance to intelligently explain why.

Call me crazy. Heck, I probably am. We’ve all had this ubiquitous debate before and I’m not the first to mediate it. But I have also finally accepted that I have a compulsive need to understand the opposition as much as humanly possible. Truthfully, it’s probably a sickness.

For current WNBA fans/followers, think of it as a conduit towards a better understanding of the “other” side. For non-fans/followers, think of it as a safe and open discussion of your opinions.

I’ve shared my very personal reasons why I am WNBA fanatic and it’s never been a secret that I’m a both a huge proponent and apologist for the league. I won’t go into the reasons why that is in this post as I’ve written many other articles that go into more detail, and I’d encourage you to view those prior posts on ‘The W’ for further verification. Quite simply, I’m a staunch supporter of these ladies both on a personal and professional basis, and consider many of them friends. I don’t mean this in an arrogant way, not by a long shot. I’m certainly nothing special and I’m not the first guy to stand up for the WNBA; I’ve just been fortunate enough to have a bigger stage to express my opinions and viewpoints.

However, it’s also no secret that many people are not fans of the WNBA. Now, there isn’t anything fundamentally wrong with that per se…not on the surface at least. Maybe you’re just not a fan of basketball or only an occasional casual observer. It’s the individuals who have a misogynistic undertone when condemning the league that I take extreme offense to. It’s long been an internal struggle for me to grasp why some individuals have such a negative fervor and vendetta against the league. It’s one thing to not enjoy the beauty of the women’s game, but it’s another to have a venomous hatred for it. Again, I’m not the first to bring this up (Mechelle Voepel has addressed this topic beautifully) but I refuse to simply turn my head and gloss over the issue completely.

Hence, I’m here to offer ‘The W’ as a safe way to discuss why – in a respectful and intelligent way.

The general audience here at ‘The W’ is probably comprised of a wide range of WNBA fans, obviously. The depth of their fandom varies from individuals who have at least a minor interest in the WNBA to others who are die-hards and know more than I could ever hope to. However, I have seen quite a few “first-timers” to the site and have received mixed reactions from those individuals. Some have come in with an open mind and were eager to learn more. Others, were less than thrilled and took the time to criticize and denounce the league.

There has to be a deeper, more insightful reason why you don’t watch the WNBA other than the fact it’s women playing in it…right? Please tell me there is. I’d hate to think that I wasted time writing this and it’s still a continual losing battle. Maybe I’m naive. Maybe it’s just hard for me to accept that the reason the vast majority of people who don’t like the league is because it’s played by women. Maybe I find it hard to accept and fathom that we, as a society, are still struggling with this battle. If this is the main reason you don’t watch the league, I suppose it would be ignorant of me to say that it’s surprising. Unfortunate and unfair? Abso-freaking-lutely. Admittedly, I’m probably a bit biased with my unique personal experiences but I am willing to have an open and honest discussion about why you haven’t gotten into the WNBA.

I recently spoke with Mercury head coach Corey Gaines about the difficulties the WNBA has faced in gaining that mainstream respect and success. Gaines provided a viewpoint that I hadn’t personally thought of before which was extremely enlightening. Basically, Gaines compared basketball to baseball in that so many people play it and have a type of false confidence when they get better. TheCorey Gainesre’s an aura of connectedness that exudes from basketball and baseball that isn’t necessarily there (generally speaking of course) with the larger-than-life athletes in football. For example, I don’t pretend to think that I’d last 30 seconds in a competitive football or hockey league. However, I’ve played basketball and baseball all my life and have an increased sense of confidence in my ability to play those sports. Perhaps it is this type of thinking that lead individuals to trivialize the WNBA at first glance.

One of my questions to Corey was if the lack of respect for the WNBA was a basketball issue or a societal issue? “It’s not a basketball issue,” Gaines said. “I’ll put myself into the mix and use myself as an example. When I was younger, in my teens, I went to the park to play some tennis. I saw an older woman there, probably in her 50’s, and thought I was going to beat her easily. I actually thought I needed to take it a bit easy so I won’t make her feel too bad. Well, she beat the crap out of me. She used the angles on the court and had me running everywhere. Similarly, when I was playing basketball at UCLA, I thought I could be a Defensive Back or Safety on the football team easily. Are you kidding me! One day I went out there to try it out and I guarded the slowest receiver. He had me turning every which way and there was no way I could stay with him, and I was known as being quick. Basically, it boils down to the people sitting on their couches at home that for some reason think they can play with them, which leads to a feeling that the competition is inferior. People play basketball and baseball all the time and think they could go out and play pretty well; but when they see them up close or play it’s a whole different story. I mean, people don’t look at football players or track & field stars and think they can do what they do. So I think it has a lot to do with society and how they view the WNBA. But I’ve had a lot of people come up to me, especially in the Finals, that just said, ‘wow, I had no idea they were this good.’”

That’s a fantastic point – people involuntarily compare the NBA with the WNBA and automatically think they could go out and perform just as well as a WNBA player. When they become closer to the game, they have an entirely new view. Though, this first comes with an open mind – something that has become rare in the world today.

I will leave you with this — every single person I have ever talked to that has given the WNBA a fair chance has “converted,” so to speak, and gained an illustrious respect for these ladies. And I’m not talking about just a couple individuals — I’ve received dozens and dozens of emails from people (mostly men) who have come away incredibly impressed and humbled. Take from that what you will.

So…without further adieu…let the discussion begin.

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  • Logues Posted: Dec.4 at 5:01 pm
    i was gonna read this…. till i seen it was about the WNBA

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 5:15 pm
    @Logues – Thank you for inadvertently answering my question.

  • James Posted: Dec.4 at 5:22 pm
    Didn’t read the article but the WNBA is an inferior product. The talent of the women is NOWHERE near the talent of the men. It’s unwatchable and always will be.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 5:28 pm
    @James – We’re not comparing it to the NBA, it’s a different game. Tell me why it is unwatchable. How many games have you seen?

  • Bryce Posted: Dec.4 at 5:36 pm
    @James – The talent of these women is exceptional. Obviously men have more advantages physically, but the skills sets the women possess are no less than the men. Outside of dunking what can’t these ladies do that makes their game “inferior”? Their character and ability to be great role models is certainly not inferior to the men.

  • NDP Posted: Dec.4 at 5:39 pm
    It is unwatchable because it is bad basketball. I don’t want to hear anything about how they play with “teamwork” and “fundamentals.” A WNBA game is filled with missed layups and turnovers. I attended Monarchs game w/ my mom their first five seasons and though the team was seemingly improving — the play on the court was still nothing I was ever excited to watch. There’s players every so often, like Dawn Staley, Katie Smith or Candace who are absolutely skilled, but that never translates to a whole game being worthwhile. Without the NBA support stipend, I don’t see how there’d even be a league in 5 years.

  • niQ Posted: Dec.4 at 5:41 pm
    I don’t know, if Candace Parker was able to dunk in every game I’d watch. Or if any other player was able to do it I’d watch.

  • pilight Posted: Dec.4 at 5:45 pm
    NDP hits on part of the problem. The game back in the 1990′s and early 2000′s was primitive and often just plain ugly. Lots of people got turned off then and won’t give the league another shot. It doesn’t matter how much improvement there’s been since, many people’s minds are closed. Heck, if the 1997 Monarchs was the only team I’d seen, I’d think the league stunk too.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 5:46 pm
    @NDP – When was the last time you watched a WNBA game? Did you see any of the playoffs or Finals this past season?

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 5:47 pm
    @pilight – I see your point, but I suppose that goes back to Corey’s point in the article that minds are closed and it will just take time…fair or not.

  • wnba-fan Posted: Dec.4 at 5:51 pm
    But how can you say that the WNBA is bad basketball? I’ve watched plenty of NBA games, being as my relative is on a pro team, and I’ve seen many missed layups and turnovers as well. NBA players have respect for these women, how can you not? Because they don’t dunk every chance and run around screaming in eachothers faces all the time? All the women in the league are skilled, it is a professional sport not just anyone can play in a professional league without skill and talent.

  • NDP Posted: Dec.4 at 5:58 pm
    I should’ve expanded on that. I watched games in person for 5 years, but have watched games on TV every summer since. I’ll watch a Freshman Hoops game if it’s on…I’ll pretty much watch anything basketball related. This has nothing to do with the sex of the athlete on the floor playing the sport. Women’s tennis is incredibly exciting. Many would argue it’s better than Men’s. As the Olympics proves every four years, there’s countless events where the women competing can offer exciting entertainment for a living room environment. All I’m saying is, for me, the WNBA has just repeatedly offered a less than stellar product on the court and the game is not played at a level that I would pay money to attend. There’s still a 100% chance I’ll catch games next summer if they happen to be on, but I’m never planning my day around a team’s season like I may do with the NBA.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 6:07 pm
    @NDP – Fair enough. Though I disagree, I respect your view and appreciate you taking the time to comment.

  • Chris Ujma Posted: Dec.4 at 6:29 pm
    I have never really understood the armchair critic ethos in general; the way the Houston Rockets are being reported on this season would make you think the guys on the team had never even seen a basketball before.
    They can win? Holy crap! The players were ONLY good enough to make it to the NBA! With the WNBA it IS a prejudice among men; you can argue that the product is not as good but, just like the NBA, there is an upper echelon of players who have the best skill set in the league, regardless of the claimed ‘watered down quality’ of the majority of the WNBA, the best players are always, in any league, the best players.
    So the reason it is prejudice is this; would a woman go to a pick-up game wearing a female-cut Lebron jersey? Of course (I have been a witness to that, pardon the pun).
    Would a guy go to a pickup game in a Taurasi jersey? Why not? A former MVP etc she is not one of the ‘inferior’ WNBA products is she?

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.4 at 6:33 pm
    @Chris Ujma – Thank you for your comment. It really boils down to having an open mind and not being judgmental for guys. Not sure if that will change.

  • Chris Ujma Posted: Dec.4 at 6:46 pm
    @ Ben York. How many people though say ‘I love basketball’. I mean, I love basketball. The game of basketball. Having being hoops-starved in the country I was raised, I would watch any hoops game on TV, in Europe, Africa, anywhere.
    I consider baseball to be a total snoozefest. Exciting moments in that sport are too few and far between.
    Yet, with the prevailing scorn poured upon it, I would be more criticised for watching women play a sport that I love than for watching a group of males stand around in a field in a sport i despise.
    Are WNBA players dribbling with their ears? Shhoting at a 6 foot rim? No, they are playing the game everyone here ‘loves’.
    Curious….

  • anna Posted: Dec.4 at 6:50 pm
    i grew up watching men’s basketball and i’m pretty much with @NDP on this one. i don’t like the WNBA, and i’m a female – so my opinion is not a prejudiced one at all. when the WNBA came around sure, it was exciting for women, i thought it was cool they were given that opportunity. i tuned into a few games and was thoroughly disappointed and bored to tears. i have little desire to watch even the short highlights on ESPN of the games. i love the sport of basketball, but watching the women play is almost painful at times. even when i read @benyork’s exciting twitter updates about the playoffs i had no desire to tune in. i’m not a hater, i’m just not a fan. don’t get me wrong, i think it’s great that the women have their own league and that they’re out on the court doing what they love, but i just don’t find it very interesting. @benyork, don’t hate me!!! :)

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Dec.4 at 6:54 pm
    As NDP said, it has nothing to do with the sex of the person playing. Many a summers have I decided to watch and follow the WNBA, only to give up because the level of competition and quality of basketball is subpar. Not to say its like that the majority of the time, but it’s easy to forget the good stuff when during the game BOTH teams go painfully long times without scoring a basket. Or teams give up a 20 to 30 pt leads. I could care less who’s playing, but when the quality if terrible, I will not be wasting my time.

  • Escott Ingles Posted: Dec.4 at 6:56 pm
    I was a staunch opponent of the money-draining and social-political maneuvering essence that is the WNBA since its inception. However, I have since turned a new leaf… if only to be able to gamble on ball during the off-season.

  • DJ Posted: Dec.4 at 6:59 pm
    The quality of the WNBA basketball isn’t very good. People like to talk about how fundamentally sound the women’s game is, but quite frankly, it isn’t true. I see more missed lay-ups and turnovers from the ball being dribbled of their feet than in the NBA. The shooting is far worse, and while they may ostensibly execute fundamentals like the perfect defensive stance, they can’t contain or prevent scoring at all, and certainly not better than the NBA players. The fact remains that most of the WNBA players could not make a D2 men’s college basketball team. Athletically, and skill-wise, they simply can’t compete; it’s a verifiable fact. One of the reasons many men hate the WNBA is that the only reason the women are on TV is because they are women. The quality certainly isn’t good enough, and people don’t watch it. The arenas are almost empty, and that’s after all the free ticket giveaways to form some semblance of a crowd. The League has to foot the bill for the WNBA to continue to lose money and put forth an inferior product simply because of political correctness. I, and most men, would have no problem with a women’s league existing, but it should not exist only to appease feminists, or at the expense of the NBA, regardless of the League’s ability to subsidize it. Most women ballers I know like the NBA better anyway, and not because of some chauvinist propaganda, but because the basketball in the NBA is better. The NBA is the best basketball in the world, and the WNBA is not exciting, captivating, or even interesting on the slightest level. The viewership and attendance numbers, as well as public sentiment, bear it out. When the WNBA can exist on its own, then it will be a legitimate League. Until then, it’s a leech on the back of the NBA.

  • Q. Posted: Dec.4 at 7:03 pm
    the straight hate on the game is ridiculous.. now i’ll get to my reasons on why i feel most don’t like the WNBA (i only started to LIKE it this year).. i have a lot of issues w/ the league, but not woman’s basketball.. truth be told, women can probably do most of the fundamentals better than men, because they are forced to perfect those things.. some men can get away w/ having a 50″ vertical.. i mean, i love D.Howard, but he would not be on the court against Wilt or Russell or the Dream or Parrish, or any old time center, because they had so many moves and a better knowledge of the game.. as fans, we’ve grown accustomed to the high-flying excitement of the game, so it’s hard to not think about that when watching anyone else play the game.. many men, believe that they can go out and beat 90% of the league.. shoot, i’m guilty of that.. seeing some of the players up close, i realize that it’s wrong.. we can’t beat 90% of the league.. 75% maybe.. ok, only jokes.. but the coaching is by far the worst in any pro league.. the coaching is even below the NCAA (which may be said for men, too, but it’s a different type of game).. the refs are glorified YMCA league refs.. the marketing (until last year) changed EVERY year, so it was tough to follow.. shoot, if you leave it to the WNBA, they only have 5 or 6 players.. Ben, the game needs you.. keep pressing on, even w/ the hate.. i can express some top-level thoughts, but it’s not my place.. i just hope fans end up seeing that the game itself is high-quality.. the league isn’t.. i hope that changes soon..

  • Anton Posted: Dec.4 at 7:12 pm
    The real question is: Why is my dinner cold?

  • GK Posted: Dec.4 at 7:46 pm
    Firstly, I would like to say that I don’t actually know anyone who hates the WNBA, most people just don’t care. Which is easy to explain, as it is an inferior product, and with limited hours and limited money, I would prefer to spend both towards something more satisfying (NBA, NCAA, playing myself). And questioning why people who love basketball don’t care about the WNBA is a strange argument to make. I love beer, but I prefer to drink a nice IPA over a Natty Light. One is simply better than the other. And I went to probably 20+ games over the WNBA’s first 5 years, and have caught a few recently, and I don’t think there is much of an argument to be made saying that the WNBA is an equal or better product than the NBA.

  • Roger Posted: Dec.4 at 8:21 pm
    There’s no single reason why I don’t watch the WNBA. (1) I don’t know anything about the players, outside of their appearances during All-Star Weekend. (2) The few WNBA games I’ve watched haven’t interested me, in much the same way that men’s college hoops strikes me as tedious. Ultimately, I’m an NBA fan rather than a Basketball Fan. (3) The first two factors combine into a third: history. There’s a “story” to the NBA, with thousands of sub-plots and characters. And I know a lot about that story. There are undoubtedly plenty of stories in the WNBA as well, but who wants to spend the time to catch up? It’s not like the NBA story has grown stale, and it’s not as if the WNBA story is going to be *better*, so I have no incentive to get involved.

  • Yesse Posted: Dec.4 at 8:47 pm
    Is Dwight trying to swap out Shelden Williams on the pic?Lol.

  • beth abrams Posted: Dec.4 at 9:05 pm
    I am a huge fan of my local WBB D1 team and attend 99% of the home games and many conference championship games, and a some dance games including two final 4s. I’m a fan of the coach (and several other coaches in the conference) and the kids. I love following their development over 4 (and with ACLs, sometimes 5) years. I love the fact that these are GOOD kids who as a team maintain a 3.0 or greater average. I enjoy the way the game is played. But the game itself just isn’t enough to hold my attention if I don’t know a lot about the players/coach – and like what I know. I don’t dislike the WNBA or the NBA or the NFL, etc. I’ll watch a game from time to time but don’t follow any particular team. I don’t know how “typical” I am of fans of the college game but most of folks who sit around me don’t really follow the WNBA either except to watch games involving “our” former players from time to time. If there were an WNBA team close, perhaps I would become more interested. I’m glad it is there so that some players can continue playing after college but it is just not something that I get excited about.

  • Overtime Posted: Dec.4 at 9:09 pm
    Personally I am a fan, and completely agree with this article. Unfortunately, living here in U.K, we can’t even watch the men’s game without ordering League Pass.
    But during the Olympics they did air the U.S.A Women’s game and I thought they were good to watch. Of course it isn’t the NBA, who ever claimed it was? As Ben says, its completely different.

  • Michael Scorn Posted: Dec.4 at 9:12 pm
    Did you know that there is no WNBA Bloopers video in existance? Try finding one on youtube. I can’t. Is their image protected so much that they can’t be made fun of like the NBA?

  • K-Nasty Posted: Dec.4 at 9:42 pm
    I’m not a fan of the WNBA because I didn’t know it was still around. What team does Cynthia Cooper play for now?

  • Michael Scorn Posted: Dec.4 at 9:46 pm
    She plays for the Detroit Sparkplugs or something.

  • NOBODY Posted: Dec.4 at 10:57 pm
    It is the name WNBA, if the league was called anything else then it would have its own identity and then you would not be asking the question.

  • I Love the WNBA Posted: Dec.4 at 11:57 pm
    Guy’s your first mistake is comparing the WNBA with the NBA. They are not the same. But that’s the beauty. I don’t turn on a WNBA game looking for men. If I want see high flying dunks. I turn on Cleveland and watch Lebron. But if I want to see passion and love for the game. I turn on the WNBA. I appreciate and respect what the women bring to the table. That’s hard work and dedication. Maybe if you were an athlete would would understand what it takes to play at that level. I don’t think the NBA players today play as good as the older NBA players. Why? because they are not as dedicated. So for me I love the WNBA for Not Being the NBA!

  • Hyperetic Posted: Dec.5 at 12:07 am
    Fandom is relative. People are going to like what they like. However, if they come to a situation with a preconceived notion, it will take hell or high water to change it. For those of you who still think the W sucks because they don’t play basketball perfect without any mistakes, no they will never do that. Neither will the guys in the NBA. Yeah I agree that the league started out slow. Mistakes abound. Even so great players played the game. These days the games are more entertaining, fundamentally sound and uptempo. What is it that you see the men do that is so much more better than the women? And by the way, better is a relative term. And its really not that different to tell you the truth. If you are looking for a weakness in the women’s game you will find one. If I looked for weaknesses in the men’s game, I would find them. I love basketball, from the peewee level to the senior rec to the highest levels of NBA, WNBA and world league competition. Good basketball is good basketball. Bad basketball is bad basketball. Sorry to pick on them but I dare say folks will still continue to support the Nets because they are men playing basketball rather than giving the Mercury a second look because of preconceived ideas. You like what you like. Oh well. I just think you’re missing out.

  • D Posted: Dec.5 at 12:09 am
    Does anyone have to explain it past the premise of the WNBA? Women playing basketball.

  • Logues Posted: Dec.5 at 12:11 am
    Ben: i have watched WNBA games and honestly i cant stand watching constant missed layups and turnovers

  • Michael Scorn Posted: Dec.5 at 12:15 am
    I can hardly watch any basketball now with all the timeouts and free throws. It stops too much.

  • Michael Scorn Posted: Dec.5 at 12:15 am
    I can hardly watch any basketball now with all the timeouts and free throws. It stops too much.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.5 at 12:37 am
    First, let me thank everyone for their comments. To be having a discussion like this about the WNBA in December is a fantastic thing. I also appreciate those who were honest but not misogynistic – thank you for that. I really can’t fault anyone for not liking or paying attention to the league; it’s absolutely your choice. I do, however, hope that people will give it a 2nd chance as the talent level has noticeably increased along with the competition. I was on media row during Game 1 of the 09 Finals and can honestly say it was the best basketball game I’ve ever been to – men or women. Again, I appreciate everyone’s comments and for reading the articles on The W. – Ben

  • Pat Posted: Dec.5 at 12:58 am
    I do not golf. I find golf on TV boring and irrelevant. I have never played football. I find football on TV boring and irrelevant. Same with baseball and soccer. I HAVE played basketball, and coached female basketball players. I will ALWAYS find women’s basketball interesting and relevant. Who’s a better player, Candace Parker or LeBron James? Duh. That’s like asking,”Who was a better boxer, Ali or Sugar Ray?”. Duh. Different. Same sport, but each has their own talent and style. You like what you like, and I shall do the same. God Bless Choice in America!

  • Elliot Posted: Dec.5 at 1:54 am
    pick the 5 worst nba players you can think of and match them up against the 5 best wnba players. The worst nba players would win 100% of the time. It is inferior basketball to the NBA.

  • nastierthanu Posted: Dec.5 at 1:59 am
    I can’t believe I’m going to be the 1st 1 to say this but does anyone believe that the sexual orientation of the league has anything to do with this @ all? I would like to see what the % of gay to straight players is in the league. Now If these were the cinamax lesbians we wouldn’t be having these conversations. The ratings would be outta control. This is not the case. Ladies and gentleman here it is SEX SELLS. Outside of candice parker sue bird tameka cathchings lisa leslie and a couple others there r some rough looking women out there. No offense but just speaking the truth. When people watch womens tennis they look at the figure of the athletes as well that helps ratings. Am I the only one that gets a chill when I here a grunt on a serena forehand? tennis is sexy when the women play it. Basketball aint sexy. Couple that with sexual preference factor and u get a ratings nightmare. What’s the average size of a man in this country. 5’8 maybe 5’9 compare that to a league of women who r much taller faster stronger and in many cases more of a man than the average man and u get a stong case for a direct insult to the male ego. I myself love the womens game. I love ball. I played pick up with my squad down @ the univ of houston. I stayed out of the paint. Them big girls don’t play under the boards. so I’m offering this as my reasonong for the hatred on the game. Perhaps I’m just way off base but. I believe many are still sexist and unless the ladies are fitting into our presubscribed notion of femininity then many will just turn the channel hate on the game give lame duck excuses and wath the girls next door.

  • tealish Posted: Dec.5 at 5:38 am
    @Ben York — Won’t lie, I didn’t read the article.
    But here’s the obvious and true answer: The WNBA is an inferior product, as I’m sure it’s been said. Also, while there are inherent differences than the NBA, you can’t just call it a “different game” and say the NBA comparison is irrelevant. It’s still….basketball. And when I’m watching basketball, there’s the NBA and there’s College ball. Both are superior to the WNBA by a wide margin. Very wide. It’s actually a gaping distance.
    But I get where this article comes from…PC…it’s 2009!…equality, guys!!… I respect that. But a superior product is still a superior product, even in 2009.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.5 at 11:12 am
    I can lay the ball up. I can shoot a jump shot. I can touch the rim. There is nothing that happens in the WNBA that I can’t do or see at any park with some decent players. When youre watching a NBA game u know you’re watching the best in the world not the just the best women. It’s like when that tennis player was asked what is the lowest ranked male player who could beat the #1 ranked female player. he said he didn’t want to answer bc he didn’t want to sound like he was disrespecting women but eventually said the number would be around #400 or something like that.

  • Greg Posted: Dec.5 at 12:36 pm
    Quite simply,the WNBA is badly played basketball. The womens’ game is literally played on about a junior high level and it is not compelling to me or apparently anyone else based on attendence and tv ratings. They are professional in name only. Way too many missed layups, turnovers, 2 hand push shots, players falling on the floor chasing the plethora of loose balls,poor shot selection,poor passing decisions,low shooting %’s,horrible execution. Anyone who knows basketball knows this is not a fundamental brand of the game.
    It has nothing to do with the gender of the players. I wouldn’t pay to watch junior high or JV ball either unless my son or daughter were participating. I get annoyed when it gets rammed down my throat. I’m told that I’m sexist or I’m not a true fan. Absolutely false. I love basketball. I love to play and I love to watch solid fundamental execution. The athleticism isn’t there. If they lowered the rim,I still wouldn’t watch. That still doesn’t change the quality of the athlete playing. I’ve been asked how I can disrespect pro athletes with this criticism? It’s not disrespect,it is a fair and accurate critique of a bad product. The truth is I’m really WNBA agnostic. I don’t care if it folds or flourishes.
    It also get annoyed when I’m told by ignorant people that I would get schooled by a WNBA player. Laughable. As I said above, it’s like junior high ball. I’m quite confident I would be giving the instruction.

  • doyouwantmore Posted: Dec.5 at 12:44 pm
    I think the WNBA is good. Not great, but good. I can actually get my wife and daughter to sit down and watch WNBA games on the rare chance that it’s shown here in Canada. Not so for baseball, football, or hockey. That counts for something to me. I’ve watched women’s college games because there’s no other local games for months sometimes, and it’s still entertaining. But as long as the worst NBA team can beat the best WNBA team, I won’t be inviting any friends over for beers and layups.

  • nano Posted: Dec.5 at 1:07 pm
    As always Mr. York, great article! I find all this criticism of the WNBA really interesting from the standpoint of how accepting we are of the daily bad play we see in the NBA. Mishandling of the ball, missed free throws, turnovers , missed layups, not going to the rim when they can’t make a jump shot, constant griping over calls etc. etc. etc. For God sakes people, just be honest & FAIR!

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.5 at 1:11 pm
    @Greg – Thank you for your comment, but to say that the overall level of the game is at junior high level is ridiculous.

  • Ace Posted: Dec.5 at 1:26 pm
    All these guys talking about how they believe that they can beat a WNBA player like it’s mentioned in the article, are delusional. Reminds me of the celebrity mens b-ball team that played the Chicago Sky during the pre-season and got their butts handed to them. It boils down to sexism, and fyi women can be sexist to their own sex as well.
    Almost as bad as men who think women can’t be snipers.

  • Joe Posted: Dec.5 at 2:51 pm
    As a fan of the WNBA, i find it interesting that people who are non-fans speak of it as inferior talent. How its inferior when it is a professional league, i dont understand, but thats beside the point i’m trying to make……..I’m gonna go out on a ledge and guess that every single player in the WNBA grew up playing with and against men! Obviously they must have been able to hold their own, against guys, to have been playing with them. …….And trying to compare the WNBA with the NBA is like saying- you dont like watching womens track because Marion Jones is no where as fast as Michael Johnson or Usain Bolt”

  • Tzvi Twersky Posted: Dec.5 at 5:47 pm
    3 posts about the WNBA on the homepage as we speak (this, monarchs, miq). Nuff said.

  • RedRum Posted: Dec.5 at 7:06 pm
    I more of a basketball fan rather than an NBA/Euroleague fan and have coached women teams a few times. The problem is simple. Very few women have the athletism and skill set to be good basketball players. not NBA players, basketball players. Like it or not, basketball is the sport that requires the most in terms of athletism than any sport. Height, speed, strength, agility, explosiveness, plus a complex set of basketball specific skills. The problem is that women can have the basketball skills, but the lack of athletic ability cripples the game and what they can do in the court, and what you can expect as a coach. How many women do you know that can hit a 3 consistently? how many women do you know that can create a shot for themselves? I had a long discussion with a fellow woman coach, and we thought that the best way to make the women’s game more exciting is to lower the rim, and use lighter balls. We actually experimented with this idea and put it in practise, by lowering the rim to 9.5 feet and using a ball from netball (a women’s type of basketball played in England and the Commonwealth). The results were amazing! The game had a faster pace, more shots were made, posting up increased and women showed better post moves. The girls had more fun, and they said they enjoyed the game more as they thought they could use their skills better. I think this is the way Women’s basketball should go.

  • iLL wiLL Posted: Dec.5 at 7:30 pm
    It’s boring? Not exciting?

  • t Posted: Dec.5 at 7:50 pm
    People are entitled to their opinion but if the women’s pro game is so terrible then how can two WNBA teams score almost 120 points in 40 minuteasa when most NBA teams have trouble scoring 90 pts in 48 min.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the mercury average about 95 points a game this past season? Sure the women can’t dunk(or don’t want to dunk because of how physical the players are).but u gotta give them some credit. I watched the bulls and cavs play and they missed several layups from close range. So to me the only difference is that the NBA is above
    The rim. When a WNBA team has an open tryout I think that maybe some of you men should tryout for the team just to see if you can hang.

  • D. Cole Posted: Dec.5 at 8:45 pm
    I watch it when I can, I do so much over the summer that I just forget to watch unless I’m just flipping through channels. But as far as learning the game goes, I like the WNBA game much better. Too many player in the NBA rely on raw talent other than skills. Most of the W players don’t dunk so they do more schemes to score and defend. As much as I love the men’s game, the women’s is just as interesting if you actually take a look and check the nuances.

  • booyah Posted: Dec.6 at 2:15 am
    Personally, to me it is not as interesting. No question they can play, but it’s just not something I would like to waste time watching or pay to watch. Women play a different type of basketball from guys so it makes no sense for me to try and pick up on their style when I could easily watch the NBA who has players that play with a type of physicalness that cannot be matched in the WNBA

  • Chris Posted: Dec.6 at 8:14 am
    Ben: My indifference toward the WNBA is because the level of play isn’t high enough to entertain me. Nothing more to it, nothing less. I do, however, have several criticisms around, but not directly at, the WNBA that has made me more and more hostile to it as time goes by. As in, some fans. There is a loud minority of fans who love to stick their noses out and put down people like me who are indifferent to their league. They call us names like “misogynist” or “insecure” never-has-beens because we watch the NBA. They can’t seem to understand that people like me don’t watch the WNBA because of the level of play, not because of the gender of the players. We don’t watch lesser levels of other sports either, other than NCAA (men’s and women’s) because there is a school spirit factor, and NCAA D1 men’s hoops is still a very high and entertaining level. These fans go further and bash the NBA and its fans, calling the players “thugs” and the fans “idiots” and other similar terms. That kind of behavior from WNBA fans really doesn’t endear the WNBA to other people. The other issue, in my mind, is the WNBA uniforms. Many of the hardcore fans are so gung-ho about not having more feminine uniforms, saying it will devalue the athleticism and emphasize the sex. I don’t think the WNBA players should play in bikinis, but shorter shorts and tighter tanktops (like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7863933@N04/3391532206/in/set-72157615872675484/) would be VERY appropriate. Are these feminists saying that Ana Ivanovic’s amazing athleticism has been devalued because she looks like that? I think that’s an insult to women’s tennis, and thus women’s sports and society in general. In fact, my hostility toward the WNBA is a response to what I percieve is their hostility toward women’s tennis, soccer, volleyball and the artistic sports like gymnastics and figure skating, all of which I enjoy watching very much. In what other walk of like (sports or otherwise) do women dress (and try to act) exactly like men? Radical feminists are wrong in saying women shouldn’t dress like women because it devalues their athleticism. Every other women’s sport has uniforms that make the players look like women, and their athleticism has NOT been devalued. That mentality of feminists is, frankly, a turnoff to a lot of people, men and women. The uniforms is just a reminder of why people turn into haters of the WNBA. Many people don’t hate the WNBA itself (I certain don’t) but they don’t like what it indirectly stands for via the voices of the hardcore feminists who watch it. (Talking to a lot of loyal female NBA fans, the radicalism is what turns them away from the WNBA, not the lesbianism.) Ben, I’ve read some of your writings and I appreciate your passion, but you don’t seem to address some of the big elephants in the room. I’ve posted in some of your other stories, and you’ve still ignored my points (which represent the viewpoints of a lot of people).

  • Greg Posted: Dec.6 at 9:25 am
    Ben,
    Junior high may be a little harsh. I grew up in Indiana and the level of fundamental play is pretty high at a young age. We sleep with basketballs. Our coaches gave us brand new balls at the end of school and instructed us to wear them out. We played year round. I am serious when I say that there isn’t one WNBA player that could have made our team. The size and athletic ability does not transend genders. Our school has produced many D1 and small college players. If I’m a harsh critic, these are my reasons. I expect great and I don’t see it with the WNBA.

  • Hoodsnake Posted: Dec.6 at 2:38 pm
    I read the article with interest. My thinking is just why was the W started so late? Is it just because of ‘the world is changing’ or is there a concrete reason why after 50+ years that the W was started.

  • Jordan Posted: Dec.6 at 2:46 pm
    Tamika Catchings could have beat Greg’s team 5 on 1.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.6 at 4:49 pm
    I’ll admit, I have watched very few WNBA games. Its one thing to not be fan of the WNBA (we all have our reasons), and its another to just h@te it because its dominated by women. I’m not talking about the level of play–I’m talking about plain disrespect. In other words: misogynists can shut the f*ck up.

  • Ace Posted: Dec.6 at 6:27 pm
    So Chris took up all that space just to say that he doesn’t like the WNBA b/c they don’t have “feminine” uniforms……or in other words they don’t wear any kind of tight fitting clothes that allows him to see what they are working with. You fit the description of a male chauvinist pig.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.6 at 6:46 pm
    @Chris –
    I’ve addressed many of the so called ‘elephants’ in the room; namely, the biggest one – people not liking it or giving it the attention it deserved because of the gender of the athletes. According to your post, you believe the women should look more like ‘women’ while playing and not try to be like men – how is that not misogynistic? You also state that a turn off to you is the ‘radicalism’ of the WNBA fans – I bet a lot of WNBA fans would take that as a compliment; there are ‘radical’ fans for every team, every player, for every sport. In terms of your views on people not watching the ‘lesser’ of every sport, it’s a moot point. It’s a different game, my friend – it’s not the NBA and shouldn’t be compared to the NBA. The WNBA doesn’t explicitly stand for ‘hard-core feminists’ as you put it, it stands for equality and for giving them an opportunity to showcase their skills (which they have beautifully)- THIS is what many people miss. Tell you what, if you’re up for it, let me know if you want to attend a WNBA game up close (i.e. front row) and I’ll see if I can make that happen for you. I guarantee you’ll change your mind about the ‘feminism’ and ‘inferiority’ of it all.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Dec.6 at 7:34 pm
    Greg, I am pretty sure any WNBA player could have made your JUNIOR HIGH BASKETBALL TEAM. Junior High… Are you serious? Junior High is NOT D1 college, for your information.

  • Ritchie Posted: Dec.6 at 8:34 pm
    I’m a basketball fan I watch it whenever I can. When I watch the WNBA I just expect to see less entertaining basketball then the NBA or NCAA. I take the missed shots, lay-ups and other things as just part of the WNBA game. There are certain players who do catch my eye as being the best and I try to watch them as much as possible. But, the overall talent level compared to these stars is very, very low. Which makes for not as much of an exciting game.

  • Lazaruz Posted: Dec.6 at 11:45 pm
    I enjoy watching womens basketball.

  • Chris Posted: Dec.7 at 6:59 am
    @BenYork:
    Let’s see if I can reword things better. First of all, I’ve been to at least one (or maybe two) WNBA games each summer for every season of its existence, and when I was in high school, I used to go to Monarchs all the time. I also hold women’s basketball season tickets for Cal (not my alma mater, but a school I’ve been partial to since I could remember) as well as men’s hoops and football. My point there is, indifference toward the WNBA doesn’t mean indifference towards women’s sports (nor does it mean I hate it or don’t EVER go to WNBA games, just don’t follow it like the NBA, MLB or NFL). Okay, now. Next part is where I need to clarify. Let’s see if I can: I am not against the WNBA because of its uniforms (it’s just the most glaring symbol of what the WNBA stands for). I point out that every other women’s sport has more feminine uniforms, and every other walk of life (be it business, advertising, education, you name it) has feminine attire. The WNBA is the only entity I can think of in which women dress exactly like men. The WNBA “radicals” are extremely gung-ho about keeping it that way, and they say changing it would be sexualizing women and devaluing their athleticism. I take that thinking (and the very vocal and belligerent way it is presented) as them saying every other sport (and walk of like) HAS sexualized women and devalued their athleticism (or workplace competency). And and I take that attitude as an ATTACK on everything else, and THAT is what I don’t like about the WNBA. The uniform is just a symbol for that way of thinking. You said the WNBA “stands for equality,” which it does in many ways. I think the WNBA stands for radical feminists saying “you HAVE to be like men to be equal,” which I don’t agree with. I think, like in tennis, you can maintain a FEMALE identity WITHOUT having your athleticism (or workplace competency) devalued. I know many women have become “anti-feminist” because they are against the “you MUST be like a male to be equal” thinking, and the WNBA is one of many things they’ve disassociated with because of that.

  • Michael Posted: Dec.7 at 7:08 am
    its compared to the NBA because its shoved down our throats non stop and is a professional league, newsflash without leeching off the NBA, the money would dry up and these women would no longer be earning money to play basketball. Life is short, you want my attention u better be putting out a product that is the best i can see. an NBDL team would eviscerate a WNBA team so why arent we paying attention to the NBDL? BECAUSE THE QUALITY ISNT AS GOOD!! In a vacuum the WNBA players play decent ball, but in real life thhey suffer by comparison, you cant separate the two.

  • Greg Posted: Dec.7 at 7:53 am
    Teddy,
    My bad. I meant that no WNBAer could have made my Indiana high school team. I reread my post and I can see where you thought I meant junior high. Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch let me explain. My HS team had 8 guys who went on to play college ball. 2 D1A and the other 6 smaller college. Our team was consistently ranked in the top 10 in the state and this was before they played class basketball.(ie 10 out of approx 600) We practiced twice a day. At the gym at 6AM to shoot 100 free throws,execute shooting and ball handling drills…Practice again after school for 2 to 3 hours. We were drilled in fundamentals and taught how to play smart basketball. I know good ball. The W in not good.

  • Ace Posted: Dec.7 at 3:36 pm
    @Chris why does the WNBA players so called lack of femininity irk you so? If you are secure in you self than that shouldn’t phase you in the same way no feminine gay man (if your straight)should phase you either. How is the WNBA uniform saying that you have to be like men? Last time I checked a b-ball uniform looks diff on a girl than a guy anyways b/c women have boobs. Maybe you would like to live in certain middle eastern countries that make it illegal for a woman to wear anything that’s not feminine.

  • Adam Layton Posted: Dec.7 at 5:07 pm
    Writing articles like this isn’t good for your goal of helping people to like the WNBA. It makes you seem defensive and a little aggressive. Your strength is writing articles about the WNBA, not being defensive and trying to convince people to jump on the bandwagon.

  • Mike D. Posted: Dec.7 at 6:28 pm
    When I read articles like this, I notice that a common hater’s response is something like “I don’t wanna hear about none of that ‘teamwork’ and ‘fundamentals’ bull. Gimme lightning crossovers and thunder dunks!” That pretty much says it: to the macho set basketball is all about individual skills rather than the more poetic approach the women employ. To me, the game of basketball is a beautiful thing without all the testosterone. I’ll take brain over brawn any day.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.7 at 6:32 pm
    @Adam Layton – What part was aggressive and/or defensive? The part about unfortunate misogynistic undertones that people have for the league? I’ll gladly defend that anytime.

  • Don Posted: Dec.7 at 10:22 pm
    The problem is with the letter W. Wnba, WFL, WHA, WBL, WUSA, WLPF and WFSL. Having your league name begin with W is the kiss of death.

  • John Molina Posted: Dec.8 at 8:46 am
    I am a fan of the WNBA. More so, a fan of womens basketball at all levels. I am also a man, of which there are more and more than follow womens basketball. For 20 years I followed the NBA, pro football, baseball exclusivly. As I got older, the more tired I grew of the bigger than life egos that filled those sports and stopped watching. Then I saw a UConn game in fall of 94. What I saw was the basic game being played with passing the ball, execution etc. More of what I enjoyed about basketball back in the 70s. I got hooked. I still follow the womens game for the same basic reasons today. The talent has grown much in just that time. Although I’m not a fan of the egos on some of those on the womens side I see now. I like the game below the rim. Naismith certainly never anticipated that or he would have had the janitor attach the peach basket to a higher beam back in December of 1891. Men have had pretty much the same rules for years and opportunites for many decades that women did not. Men were barnstorming across the country in the 1910s and pros in the 1920s. How great were the pro teams and attendence in the 40s and all. Teams were moving from place to place and folding as well. It took men decades to get where they are. Will womens pro basketball reach the same level? Even I’m not sold on that. It may just stay a niche sport, but with millions of girls playing it at young ages when a little more than 3 decades ago, they were hard pressed to get any court time in school. Those that speak of missed layups and things like that. I don’t know anyone here that likes them. Be it in the nba or wnba. I have many friends that played for what could be considered the first professional womens basketball team, the All American Red Heads. http://Www.allamericanredheads.com Many consider them to be like a harlem globtrotters and there are similarities. Yet go to that web site and watch a video posted there from the mid 60s and early 70s. You will see some dropped passes, etc but you will also see some talent you probably didn’t think could have existed that long ago. These women played 200+ games a year, everyone on the road, against different teams (unlike the trotters). Yes, they had the entertainment factor. It was an event to go to a game like this decades ago and you needed more than basketball to get kids interested too. However, the first quarter was always straight up basketball with the Red Heads dominating most games heavily by that point against men (including college stars, semi pro’ss, etc) Getting off topic, these women will be the first to tell you that men, overall did play a much more physical game. Instead of relying on brut strength, they had to rely on execution, the mental aspects of the game and playing a smarter game then the men. They would win about 75% of their games each year and up into the 90′s in some. While the men would be taking a breather at halftime, the women would be entertaining the crowds. The full court game didn’t even come to women until the early 70s. They didn’t get the court time like men overall for a good 60 to 70 years. Our town didn’t have parks and rec basketball for girls until the early 90s. The womens game still has far to go. I want more teams with depth like UConn all over the country, that will only increasse the talent at the pro level. Yet for those who know how long women have had the same opportunities to just be able to access a court and play the game since they were girls…..it has grown exponentially imo. And in years to come, to see players like a Tamicka Catchings, Candace Parker, Diana Turasi and Maya Moore will be the common place standard and not the rule. None of this will change any opinions, yet at the same time, regardless of the very strong nay sayers, the growth of womens basketball and quality will not stop either. It may not even be the WNBA down the road, but there will be something and the support will grow as well.

  • pilight Posted: Dec.11 at 4:53 pm
    Let’s be honest. The WNBA and NBA do not play “different games.” The WNBA is the same exact game (basketball) played at a much lower level. It is so much lower a level, most of the population finds it unwatchable.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.11 at 5:34 pm
    @pilight: I disagree. It’s not the same game. It’s the same sport, but I disagree that it’s played at a much lower level.

  • pilight Posted: Dec.12 at 2:03 am
    @Ben York: If it is the same sport, and it’s not played at a lower level, then what is it? Are you saying the WNBA is basketball played at a higher level than the NBDL? NCAA Men’s? Olympics men’s? If you enjoy the WNBA and want to lie to yourself about the true level of competition they play at, that’s fine. But you cannot expect other people to not view the WNBA through your goggles and then ask them why they don’t watch the WNBA. If you take off your goggles, then you would quickly figure out the answer to your question, if you hadn’t already figured it out through many of the previous comments.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.12 at 10:55 am
    @pilight – You’re directly comparing the NBA and the WNBA. I’m saying that, as someone who has been involved deeply in both, it’s not the same game. If you go by your line of thinking then is the NBA the same as European play? Of course not. If so, we’d have dozens more Dirk Nowitzki’s and Manu Ginobli’s in the NBA, but we don’t. Men in Europe play more open and versatile basketball while the NBA is more physical and individual. My whole mission of this site is to bring awareness to the WNBA and stating my thoughts and views of the league. If you call that viewing the league through “goggles” that’s fine.

  • pilight Posted: Dec.12 at 4:29 pm
    @Ben York: I think you’re confusing “style” of play and “level” of play. People are posting that the WNBA isn’t a high enough level of play for them to watch and you’re telling them it’s a different style. Dirk Nowitzki and Manu Ginobili are playing in the NBA because they play at a high enough level, and they’re infusing their style into the league. No WNBA player is playing in the NBA because they don’t play at a high enough level. Look at the NCAAs. D-1, D-2 and D-3 play different styles, but you can’t say D-1 isn’t a higher level than D-2 and D-3. That’s what these posters (the ones who are spewing mysogynistic trash) are saying about the NBA and WNBA. Look, I’ve loved the WNBA since Day 1, so I love what you’re trying to do. But if you can’t make arguments that are logical, it’s counterproductive.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.12 at 5:42 pm
    @pilight – I guess that’s where we differ; I don’t think I’m being illogical. The point I’m trying to get across to the people you spoke of in your last comment is that it’s not a fair comparison because of those specific differences. That’s exactly my point. I’m saying that it’s not fair for either league to be compared to one another. I talked to Cappie just the other day and she said that it’s hard to get used to the Euro game since it’s so different that the WNBA. So if there is so much parity between the WNBA and Euro play, then obviously there will be differences between the WNBA and NBA. I’m not addressing the ‘level’ of play – I’m addressing the differences. That’s exactly what I did in my post that the WNBA doesn’t need to justify itself. What I’m trying to get across to people is that it’s somewhat ignorant to immediately dismiss the WNBA because it’s not the NBA and not ‘good enough’ for some people. In any case, thanks for reading, and I’d be happy to debate this topic with you in more depth via email. bjyork15@gmail.com.

  • pilight Posted: Dec.13 at 1:55 pm
    @Ben York: That’s my point. You may not be addressing “level” of play, but people are. I don’t know if it is fair or not for people to compare the WNBA and NBA, but that’s exactly what people are doing. And from a comsumer’s point of view, you can’t blame them or criticize them, especially if they have limited time and budget. I liken it to a grocery story. You’re going to pick out the biggest and best cut of meat, even if it costs more sometimes. Many people are picking out the NBA over the WNBA because of the “level” of play, not because of “style” of play. But you keep going back to talking about “style” and it’s falling on deaf ears because that’s not what people are looking for. In any case, thanks for your passion for the WNBA and thanks for writing.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.13 at 4:35 pm
    @pilight – I know that’s what people are doing; it’s the whole point of the article and why I’m trying to stop that from happening. It’s hard for me just to say ‘that is the way it is’ because that’s exactly why the WNBA hasn’t attained that level of respect that they deserve. If we want to get the WNBA to a higher level of esteem, we (society) need to change our perceptions.

  • Watson Posted: Dec.15 at 10:51 pm
    I think perhaps another way to say this is – the level of play assessment is an opinion. It’s not right or wrong, it’s right for some, wrong for others. Some people don’t like the WNBA. Who cares? I don’t like pistachio ice cream either. The problem comes in when people who don’t like the WNBA make it their mission in life to dump all over people that do, who insist that the quality of the game is low to people who appreciate the game, so clearly they don’t agree. Why do that? That’s very weird to me.

  • Ben York Posted: Dec.16 at 12:31 am
    @Watson – Couldn’t have said it any better.

  • scowl Posted: Dec.16 at 6:18 am
    @Ben York: I’m not sure you realize how outrageous the last sentence in your post on December 13 at 4:35 pm is, so I’ll make an equally outrageous comment analogous to yours: General Motors (The WNBA) does not need to change. We carbuyers (sports fans) need to change our perceptions of the quality (level) of the cars (basketball) that GM (WNBA) makes. GM (WNBA) and Toyota (NBA) both make cars (play basketball). They make different designs (play different styles). GM is about making gas-guzzling trucks (fundamental, below-the-rim play), while Toyota (NBA) is about long-lasting, fuel efficient sedans (physical, high-flying action). The cost-conscious consumer (entertainment-seeking fan) is just being anti-American (misogynistic) for buying the Toyota (watching the NBA) and passing on the GM (not watching the WNBA). But that’s okay. I’ll just keep writing columns talking about how great GM products (the WNBA) are, and saying it’s not GM (the WNBA) that needs to change, it’s the consumer (fan). And I’m going to ignore the fact that GM (WNBA) continuing to do things the same way is rapidly leading to car models being discontinued (teams folding) and the company (WNBA) toward bankruptcy (dissolving). — Ben, I hope you’re getting my drift. You have some serious clout at your position. You can’t change the consumer. Perhaps, we’re better off if you use your clout to try to influence the WNBA to make changes to appeal to the consumer. Research has repeatedly shown that sex sells when it comes to women’s sports, yet the WNBA refuses to go that route. I don’t know if that’s the answer for the WNBA, but I’m certain there are changes that can be made to better appeal to the consumer. The consumer holds the cards (money) and it’s up to us to appeal to the consumer, not the other way around.

  • scowl Posted: Dec.16 at 6:25 am
    @Watson and Ben: What would you say about the people who like the WNBA who make it their mission in life to dump all over people who don’t like the WNBA (but don’t dump over people who do)?

  • TS Posted: Feb.16 at 9:33 am
    Level of play is not an issue for me. I think the
    lack of dunking is a plus whereas the NBA seriously needs to raise the rim. Personally, I like college sports. In addition to the game, you have the pep band, cheerleaders, and great rivialries. College sports have that (men’s & women’s). Women’s tennis has stars, glamour and good rivalries. You need the full package if you’re going to compete with everything else that’s on cable. As sports entertainment, the WNBA is lacking. Also… The WNBA’s marketing is bad. They target female viewers, but the ratings show that women don’t watch sports in great numbers. Women’s sports are not entitled to viewers. The WNBA needs to target male viewers with their top personalities (Lauren Jackson, Swin Cash, Candice Wiggins, Sue Bird). (and please get some better uniforms)

  • WNBAsux Posted: Sep.14 at 7:37 am
    wnba sux

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