Tuesday, December 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm  |  58 responses

Missing the Point

The WNBA doesn’t need to justify itself with a woman in the NBA.

by Ben YorkTamika Catchings

Recently, NBA Commissioner David Stern told Sports Illustrated‘s Ian Thomsen that he believes women could be playing in the NBA within the decade. Stern thinks that in the next 5-10 years, a women’s basketball player will emerge with the unrivaled potential to make it on a NBA squad. As I’m sure you can imagine, this stirred up quite a heated debate.

My initial feelings regarding Stern’s comments differed a bit from the norm. Rather than get caught up in the gender issue, I took his statements in a whole different direction. If I’m understanding Stern’s comments correctly, he’s saying there is going to be a player in the next few years who is a better scorer than Diana Taurasi? A more complete player than Lauren Jackson? A player with a better physique than Tamika Catchings? A better post player than Lisa Leslie? Interesting. So, the phenomenal women that are currently playing in the league aren’t good enough?

It’s a rhetorical question, and beside the point.

The real issue that so many people are missing is that a publicized, marketed and indelible effort to put a woman in the NBA would do far more harm than good for the WNBA.

In his article, Thomsen writes “..the pursuit of ‘the first woman’ will also create new respect for the WNBA. From now on every great player in that league will be viewed from a new perspective. Is she good enough to play with the men? What does she need to improve in order to make that leap.” Let me be frank — there is nothing that these women should have to prove. Nothing. Having a WNBA player make it into the NBA shouldn’t suddenly justify their existence or be deem them finally worthwhile. Guess what, people — they already are! Suggesting that having a woman make an NBA roster would finally earn them, and the league as a whole, mainstream respect is, to me, insulting; and I’m sure that many women would agree with me. Shouldn’t they already be respected? Why isn’t the WNBA currently looked at as the pinnacle of accomplishment for these women? Why should making it to the NBA be looked at as better than making it to the WNBA?

That’s not to say it wouldn’t be a major accomplishment, but there is no doubt in my mind that it if we really wanted it to happen, it could be done immediately. I already know that Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker could more than hold their own in a NBA game; we don’t have to wait 5-10 years for another player to come along. Heck, it’s already been done! Ann Meyers-Drysdale already proved it could happen 30 years ago.

Whether we mean to or not, the mere question oozes elitism. In order to debate if a woman is “good” enough to make it to the NBA, there is a collective thought that the NBA is “better than” everyone else. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. But, if we are honest with ourselves, it’s a moot point. Why? The WNBA is a much different game than the NBA; the physicality of the game is different, the mindsets of the coaches/players vary, and it’s played more below the rim. We must stop continuing to compare the two; they’re two different leagues, two completely different styles, and two vastly different philosophies. Neither is right or wrong, it’s just how it is. For far too long, society has compared the two leagues and, by default, given the WNBA the inferior status because the NBA is viewed as more athletic and exciting. In fact, one could make an argument that the WNBA is more how basketball was intended to be played.

Former WNBA star Olympia Scott addressed this issue perfectly in a recent article. In the column on her website, she asked the proverbial question, Why do women need to be compared to men? Scott states in her post, “..it baffles me that women’s basketball players must constantly be compared to men, the WNBA compared to the NBA. It’s almost as if we must be able to compete with the men in order to be validated as professional athletes.”

This is exactly my point – these women don’t have to justify anything or feel like they are constantly fighting an uphill battle in which they’ll attain great things…but still are viewed as inferior when compared to men. If a woman were to prove that she could, indeed, play significant minutes in the League, where does that leave everyoShelden Williams & Lailaa Williamsne else? Does that mean the players before her weren’t as good or worthy?

In fact, the only thing that does is affirm society’s age-old beliefs that in order to be accepted, you must be on an equal plane as men. Instead of holding high aspirations to make it into the NBA, why don’t we focus and affirm that making it to the WNBA is just as amazing. Why should these women feel that, no matter what, they still are a step below NBA players? The WNBA the most competitive and anointed women’s professional sports league in the world – is that not prestigious enough?

We have to ask ourselves this – when will it stop? Let’s say there is a woman in the NBA in the next few years. Let’s say she does pretty well, blows all expectations out of the water, and gets 20-25 minutes a game. Will that be good enough? Or, will people start to remind her that she hasn’t made the All-Star team? Or maybe that she isn’t even a starter? How would that feel to her? Would we be setting her up to fail?

Again, I’m not trying to discount the importance of a WNBA player making it into the NBA. To me, it’s not even a question – there are current players whom I think would be able to play. It’s really a question of equality. I worry that this will become a major issue in the coming years and will disrupt what the WNBA has worked so hard to attain – respect. Ann Meyers-Drysdale had the courage to do this 30 years ago when no one thought it was possible. Let’s not forget the significance of that accomplishment.

In the end, my thoughts might not mean much. Even though I will defend these ladies at every opportunity, the fact is I’m a guy and haven’t been through many of the battles and tribulations they’ve been through to get to where they are. So don’t take my word for it; listen to someone who has played in the WNBA for a decade – Olympia Scott: “We don’t need to try and play in the NBA to prove we are great players. We need the WNBA to prove itself a thriving professional league that will be sustained for generations to come, just as the men’s professional sports leagues have. Our daughters need great professional players to model their game after, just as our sons have. It’s imperative that we stop comparing the women’s game to the men and allow women’s basketball players to be just that… women’s basketball players.”

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  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    I agree with this article. It would definitely do more harm to the WNBA than good. I mean, it would basically insult all women in the WNBA saying they suck. Period. Although I bet the Celtics wouldn’t mind having Sheldon’s Wifey over him.

  • heartlandG

    I’d let Candace Parker post me up ALL day

  • j-dizub

    “I already know that Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker could more than hold their own in a NBA game; we don’t have to wait 5-10 years for another player to come along.” You can’t be serious. Beno Udrih would drop a double-nickel on Taurasi. Word.

  • Michael Scorn

    Can you please start putting an * next to every WNBA article to warn us for now on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Michael Scorn – The words “WNBA” and “woman” in the title didn’t tip you off?

  • pilight

    You’re 100% right that it won’t bring the W any additional respect. Anyone who appreciates basketball beyond the “throw it down, big man” level already respects it, those who don’t never will.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    No way any woman currently in the WLeague can match up physically with the good ballers in the L in their respective positions. Is this all for BRITTANY GRIMER ??

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Ben York: Well put article. One just has to wonder what David Stern was thinking when he started the discussion.

  • max

    @Ben York
    “The real issue that so many people are missing is that a publicized, marketed and indelible effort to put a woman in the NBA would do far more harm than good for the WNBA.”
    “Again, I’m not trying to discount the importance of a WNBA player making it into the NBA”
    Don’t these point kind of contradict each other?

    And i think you’re going a little to far, calling the WNBA the most “competitive and anointed” women sport league in the world.

  • EmilyK

    Great points. I agree with what you’re saying, but I wish you and all women’s basketball supporters would stop saying garbage like: “I already know that Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker could more than hold their own in a NBA game.” If the guys played at even half-speed, Taurasi and Parker would get destroyed so badly, it wouldn’t even be funny. They shouldn’t have to play with the guys, and that’s why we have a seperate WNBA. Frankly, its these kind of comments that causes our game to be continually compared to the men’s game, and it also kills the credibility of the rest of your article.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @max – If the WNBA isn’t, what is?

  • kel taylor

    What message is David Stern sending here? That the WNBA isn’t worthy of it’s own elite players, thus he can see them in the NBA? That’s crazy. And the fact that wnba.com published his comments on their main page is even crazier. They want to get FAR away from those comments as possible.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 RoG23

    The nba is all about being an athlete. Look at dwight, shaq and other dudes. They are good because of their physical dominance. Fundamentally, I’m sure many women are on the same or better level than men in the L

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @RoG23 – Exactly my point. The WNBA has nothing to prove by having someone make it in the NBA. It’s a different game and they shouldn’t be looked at as ‘less than’.

  • Stickz

    Ben, great article. I get tired of people bashing the WNBA, trying to compare it to the NBA. If you just judge the league off it’s own merits, it is a wonderful league. The women’s game is much different than the men’s game, and always will be. In studying games, I find women make up for the differences in athleticism with a ore sound, fluid game. No to say they aren’t athletic, you just aren’t going to see 360 windmill dunks. But the women’s game is a beautiful thing to behold, if people can get past their male insecurities. I’m talking to you, 50-year-old bald guy who couldn’t hit a 3 if they gave you 3′s for layups.

  • EmilyK

    Great points. I agree with what you’re saying, but I wish you and all women’s basketball supporters would stop saying garbage like: “I already know that Diana Taurasi and Candace Parker could more than hold their own in a NBA game.” If the guys played at even half-speed, Taurasi and Parker would get destroyed so badly, it wouldn’t even be funny. They shouldn’t have to play with the guys, and that’s why we have a seperate WNBA. Frankly, its these kind of comments that causes our game to be continually compared to the men’s game, and it also kills the credibility of the rest of your article.

  • Don

    Why doesn’t a woman give it a try? I read about all the women who could currently play in the NBA so, prove it. There’s no M in front of NBA. There is more money, more prestige, she’d be going up against the best. And if it doesn’t work there’s always their own league to fall back to. Be a Danica- Annika. But deep down inside we all know why that won’t happen. Skill and passion and love for the game…that and a dollar will get you a burger at Mickey D’s but get you embarrased in the Association.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Logues

    Ben: it was a couple yrs back, but the last time i watched a WNBA game, there were more missed layups and turnovers within five minutes than a 7th grade boys basketball game, i couldnt stand to watch it anymore, and it didnt seem very fundamentally sound to me at all

  • max

    @ben york skipping my first question, i see.

    You could start with almost every professional soccer league around the globe. My problem with your statement is, that you seemed to have just thrown it in there, without any evidence, to make the WNBA look good. But instead, you just insult other women sporting leagues. You’re basically doing the same thing other people are doing when comparing the WNBA and NBA. Furthermore, if you would be following multiple other sports besides basketball, you would know that sport leagues are all different, and that most women love their sport and are no less competitive than the WNBA players. Thus, you can’t just say one league is the most competitive and anointed in the world.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    My gf can post a triple double in the kitchen (10 eggs, 12 pieces bacon, 11 ounces juice)

  • LeoneL

    Why do you need 10 eggs Anton? :D

  • Don

    The wnba is how basketball should be played? Says who? Oh yeah, drag ole John Wooden from the crypt. He hasn’t coached a game in 40 years. He still calls Kareem “Lewis”. If were going to discuss how basketball was “intended” to be played then we’d still be using peach baskets and playing in cages. Ben, do you even think these things out before you “blog”.

  • http:///www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    PROTEIN!!!aarghgadjfkaldjflkxxsw

  • Michael Scorn

    @Ben York- I was talking about the title on the main page where it only says “Missing the Point” and nothing about women or WNBA. I was asking for a warning so that I do not click on the article in the first place.

  • Nicole

    Once again Ben you have wrote a great article! As I’ve comment on other blogs about the WNBA, if you think the league is so boring and the athletes aren’t great, why are you commenting? I would much rather watch the women in the WNBA play than the men in the NBA with their huge egos. Do your research before you come up here bashing these women. They would probably post a triple double on the ones being so negative.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Don – I appreciate that you keep reading my articles in spite of your clear disdain for the WNBA. So, John Wooden is overrated? Interesting. I suppose we have a different view of the game. Nothing wrong with that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @max – I didn’t intentionally avoid your first point and I’d be glad to address it. I’m saying that it certainly would be an accomplishment for a woman to play in the NBA, but it would inhibit the development of women’s basketball. The NBA and WNBA are two different styles and I’m arguing that women don’t need to prove their value or worth by playing in the NBA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @EmilyK – Thank you for reading. However, I don’t think my opinion that DT and CP playing in the NBA is garbage or destroys any credibility. I think you’re underestimating how good these ladies are and selling the game short.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Don – You’re affirming everything I said in the article. You want women to prove they can play in the NBA, and I don’t think they have anything to prove.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Ben York: Educated and level-headed article and a great read. You’re right – the WNBA has no need to justify or prove anything whatsoever. Goodness knows what David Stern was thinking when he opened this can of worms.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    It still blows me away to see the effort some individuals put forth to consciously ‘bring down’ the WNBA. Why do people feel the need to do that?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Joel O’s – Thank you for the kind words and for reading. Much appreciated.

  • Michael Scorn

    I do not have a problem with the WNBA. I have a problem with being tricked into clicking on a WNBA article that has a title so vague like “missing the point” that no one can tell what the write up is going to be about until after they click on it.

  • Michael Scorn

    Here’s the difference between NBA & WNBA. The NBA fans can take a joke. WNBA fans can’t.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    As far as I see it (as an Australian fan of basketball, we have the WNBL who consistantly take on the WNBA women during the olympics etc) womens basketball already stands on it’s own merits. It’s a game played with a high level of skill and talent. The play, offense/defensive schemes denote athletics and a high I.Q. There is nothing to compare and there is nothing to ‘disqualify’ the women around the ENTIRE WORLD at this game. What does differentiate is that MEN LOVE WATCHING OTHER MEN PLAY SPORTS. If women were as interested as supporting leagues, players and various games as men – we wouldn’t have this discussion. Why is the NBA a MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS? There are fans (male) interested in it. Where are the legions of ladies making the WNBA as big? There is interest of course….but ‘generally’, very generally women don’t take their passions for sport as far as their male counterparts do. It’s not sexist, it’s merely an observation.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Do you understand where I am coming from here? I’m not trying to be sexist, or make sexist comments. I’m just trying to highlight that men are generally (if not outrightly…?!)more passionate about their devotion to teams/sports so therefore, the ‘male’ versions of leagues are going to be supported to A GREATER DEGREE.

  • Hoodsnake

    Can a woman suit up for the league within the next 10 years? Yes i can think of a handful that will be able to if they play off their strenghts. Will a woman suit up in the next 10 years? No thats why the WNBA was established

  • Hoodsnake

    Can a woman suit up for the league within the next 10 years? Yes i can think of a handful that will be able to right now if they play off their strenghts. Will a woman suit up in the next 10 years? No thats why the WNBA was established

  • Q.

    the main point that a woman doesn’t have to be justified by being able to make it to the NBA, is a valid point.. if that was the main goal/plan, then we’d see more girl’s playing on the Boys’ High School team.. same in college.. but obviously there’s no need for that.. if it were to happen, drastic changes would need to be made..

    from a fundamentals standpoint, many women can run circles around men.. but that’s not what the game is about.. and that’s also what makes the NBA great.. it’s the intangibles.. the speed, agility, hops, ball-handling, passes, etc.. the men also have a high bball IQ, so let’s not get that twisted.. that’s why we “love this game”.. the NBA is just a different beast in and of itself.. i think it’s a waste of our time to even talk about at this point, because if it could’ve happened, it would have by now.. trust me, w/ the peanuts the players in the WNBA make, if they truly felt they could make it, they’d tryout.. but those women also respect what the men do.. they see how they train, they see how they ball, etc.. so, they understand that, the same way that i understand i can’t just walk on the WNBA court w/o putting in the work that they do to get on that court.. so i think that discussion really ends there..

    but from a “proving” standpoint, they have nothing to prove.. the WNBA has its issues, that’s for sure, but it’s getting better.. there were valid points about missed layups, shots, etc, that are now less and less than say 2 or 3 years ago.. the WNBA product isn’t even the best woman’s bball product.. those EuroCup games are pretty official.. shoot, the WNBA doesn’t even have the best players.. they have the majority of the best players.. usually the starters on the teams, but the bench players are usually not as good (esp’ the 10-12th women) as players playing in the EuroLeagues.. and i’m saying this having seen games..

    i think a good comparison is the MLS.. it had to start somewhere, but in no way is it the best or top soccer league out there.. but the WNBA has the chance to become the best women bball league out there, if the league itself steps its game up w/ better players, coaching and officiating, as well as the interest and awareness building, so that fans can see that the 2010 WNBA is not the pre-2009 WNBA.. the WNBA should get at me, i have a lot of marketing ideas.. lol..

  • mems

    wouldn’t be a good idea, for one the women would get special treatment from the guys when they’re on the court. could you imagine parker taking howard’s elbow to her face? what happens when ron artest tries to pull down terasi’s shorts like he did pierce’s? how will chris paul get his nutt punches in?? these are all questions that have to be answered first people

  • When I lose this gut I’m gonna cross you up

    the real point is this. The wnba is less than the nba. Less excitement, less ppg, less fanfare, less income generated, less dunks. Its a physically inferior league. Its only competitive because everybody in the wnba shares the same physical dissadvantage. Not unlike wheel chair basketball.

  • gmoney187

    lets just try to put everything in perspective. imagine if a guy like morrison who cant do anything in the nba played in the wnba. How many points would he average? 50? 60? and would a team with him ever lose? once? no, of course not. a dumb scenario, no woman can ever play with the boys.

  • http://atlantadreamblog.blogspot.com/ Petrel

    @ Michael Score 1:09 Haha, so true! Notice how there are NO WNBA blooper videos anywhere on Youtube, and you can’t find Silvia Fowles’ missed dunk in the All-Star game anywhere either, in video or any WNBA-written articles. You cannot find anything that criticizes the players, as if they’re so afraid of “bad press.” Meanwhile, you can find NBA, NHL, MLB and NFL bloopers, missed dunks, conspiracy theories galore. MLB.com even has video edited specifically to show umpire incompetence. If you want to be a legitimate league, you have to be open about these kind of things. Otherwise, it’s false advertising.

  • Kevin Yost

    I don’t think women should be playing in men’s sports leagues.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Petrel – It might not be a blooper video, but the “Mercury 5″ is pretty awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtEz3Q_Qfk

  • mercurylover

    I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that SI article. I am also having the continuous argument with it feels like everyone that you cannot compare the men’s game to the women’s game-although they are both basketball, they are played completely different-neither is better than the other (although I prefer the fundamentally sound women’s game to the men’s), they are just different and should be able to exist with the same amount of respect.

  • fingeth

    this debate is ridicioulous. could a woman play in the league…probably so but why would she want to? even the women in the wnba say that there really is no comparison based on physicality alone. the women don’t feel the need to prove themselves and resen the comparisons. the way some of these men post on this blog though you would think that no nba player ever missed a lay in or shot an airball, or ever made any mistakes! and why is it that this discussion keeps coming up? i feel like this is the only professional sport that ever generates this discussion…and the insults are so revealing. my favorite is always that the wnba is no better than a high school boys team. ha! you have to have some pretty small balls and a serious inferiority complex to even say such a a stupid thing.

  • Kelly M

    Ben, you nailed it! I’ve been saying the same thing since I read David Stern’s comment. Thanks for writing this!

  • DayJay

    Thanks for this article, Mr. York. Your are speaking the truth! WNBA players should NOT have to keep trying to prove themselves worthy – to anybody. This goes for any other women’s league as well. These athletes are at the top of their game. They train hard and play hard. They give everything.

    Everyone on this planet knows about the differences in men and women, and the differences in how they play ball (to me, there are very few differences). Since we do know these differences, lets stop talking about them! We have the WNBA and the NBA – can’t we enjoy them both?

  • http://www.bf3ars.blogspot.com bfears

    i agree 1000% with this article. women do not nned 2 b compared 2 men. its 2 different games.

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