Monday, December 20th, 2010 at 9:27 pm  |  56 responses

In Ignorance and Basketball

What the response to the UConn women’s win streak says about society.

By Ben York / @bjyork

“Here’s a news flash for Auriemma: You’re not chasing UCLA’s record of 88 consecutive victories under John Wooden. You didn’t tie it and you’re not going to break it. That’s a men’s basketball record. You coach a women’s team. A women’s team can’t break a men’s record any more than a men’s team can break a women’s record.” – Mark Potash, Chicago Sun-Times.

Ohio St Connecticut BasketballI’m now convinced that women’s basketball can do nothing right.

We’ve spent decades asking both the media and public not to compare women’s basketball with men’s basketball; they are different games and neither is better than the other. Even though women’s basketball doesn’t have to justify itself, we defend it because we believe in it.

They (the media and general public) come up with false accusations without doing proper research (and by ‘proper’ I mean ‘any’). You’ve heard them – how the WNBA is leaching off the NBA, comparing attendance numbers to men and using these numbers to attack the women’s game, and constantly diminishing women’s playing ability by measuring it to men.

Now, after years of saying the women’s game is different than the men’s, we get criticized for comparing the UConn women’s team to John Wooden’s men’s team that won 88 in a row.

Can’t win.

That’s the way the world works, right? I mean, people everywhere have to compare themselves to others as benchmarks. After all, how could there be any good in this world without evil to compare to? How can we know how much better we are than someone else without measuring our valuables and possessions with another?

This is the sad, unfair world we live in.

Now, because Geno Auriemma spoke the truth and said everyone was “up in arms” because women are threatening to break a record held by men, we get people who have watched maybe 2-3 women’s basketball games in their lives thinking they are experts. Suddenly, almost magically, people who have never written a thing about women’s basketball (or even women’s sports in general) have come out of the woodwork to bash Auriemma for his comments.

Ah, the power of the ego.

It doesn’t matter that Auriemma has spent months trying to get the media off his back about the record so he and his team could focus on the present. It doesn’t matter that the record isn’t even the most important thing to him, or the team, for that matter. And it certainly doesn’t matter that basketball legend, Bobby Knight, said Maya Moore was one of the most complete basketball players he has ever seen.

You’re probably wondering where I got the quote from at the beginning of this article. It was from a post written by Mark Potash of the Chicago Sun-Times. You can find his full article online where he goes out of his way to bash, both unfairly and unjustly, Geno Auriemma and the UConn women’s team; I’m not linking to it here. However, I can assure you that all the quotes I use and respond to are real and untouched.

Potash asserts that head coach Geno Auriemma is blowing the UConn women’s streak of 88 consecutive victories out of proportion. Or, rather, “making more out of it than it was.” Right…clearly 88 victories in a row is nothing to write home about. Easily accomplished. That’s why it has been done so many times before.

Potash then states the following.

“Nobody’s having a heart attack over your perceived ‘threat’ to UCLA’s record. The only reason people are writing about it, if they are at all, is in response to others who are trying to convince themselves that you’re breaking it.”

I guess we should be thanking you, Mark. Thank you for spending time writing about this inferior league that is worthless. That’s like saying a child should be thankful for the attention they received after getting beat up. If Potash’s statements don’t sum up the ignorance and narcissism the media has towards women’s athletics I don’t know what will. The “only reason” people are writing about the streak is because of Auriemma’s comments after the game?

Spar me your chauvinistic thoughts, Mark. It’s a much bigger deal than you, and even Auriemma, are making out of it. 88 wins in a row is unbelievable and any athlete of any level or gender will tell you that. Instead, you’re focusing on downplaying an amazing streak because your ego has been attacked.

Connecticut Georgia Tech BasketballOtherwise, as you put it, why spend the time writing about it?

“Auriemma should be happy that established media are buying the idea that UConn is breaking UCLA’s record and giving him a soapbox to whine about the lack of respect women’s basketball receives in the sporting world.

Women’s basketball gets what it deserves. Probably more than it deserves if you include a professional league that is attached to the NBA like an oxygen machine.”

Women’s basketball “gets what it deserves.” Interesting. So, for playing their hearts out because they love the game and fighting for respect in America and beyond, they get bigotry in return? I don’t fully understand the logic behind that but, then again, I’m just a dumb women’s basketball writer.

Additionally, no matter how many times David Stern says it, people seemingly don’t get it. The WNBA isn’t leaching off the NBA. In fact, Stern budgeted it to break even this past year rather than the hundreds of millions of dollars the NBA is losing each year.

But we can just blame that on the women too, right?

“It’s not as popular as men’s basketball because it’s neither as good nor as entertaining. All you have to do is watch five minutes of a women’s game to know that. It’s basic physiology, Geno. Basketball is a game that emphasizes jumping ability and quickness. Women — no offense, of course — can’t match the jumping ability or the quickness of elite men’s players.”

So, let me get this straight, if you are quick and have jumping ability you can make the NBA? And, on top of that, are automatically more fun to watch than women? Good to know. You’re right; Isaiah Rider was soooo fun to watch. Loved his fundamentals. Wait…where is he again?

“There are probably 10 high school teams in the city that could beat the Connecticut women.”

You went there. I didn’t think you would, Mark, but you did. I’m not sure why this surprises me still. Potash is, roughly, the 33,189th writer to make such a claim.

Admittedly, this is where I completely tuned out and realized that Potash, evidently, as never watched a women’s basketball game. But, then again, the majority of mainstream media has developed similar false conceptions of women’s basketball by doing the exact same thing.

But, wait! Women’s basketball was mentioned in the papers and on mainstream news! We should be happy and thankful such an honor was bestowed on us!

The sad fact of the matter is that Auriemma’s comments are now the focus of the mainstream media rather than the streak itself. Nothing new. Even so, the conscious and undying prejudice towards women’s basketball is still alarming. The world wants controversy and we, somehow, have made their unbelievable feat into one.

Shame on us.

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  • http://members.cox.net/pilight/ pilight

    UConn isn’t breaking UCLA’s record. That much is true. They’ve established a record of their own which should be just as celebrated and rewarded as the Bruins’ streak.

  • Brittany

    Great job, Ben. Don’t think it couldn’t have been stated any better.

  • surreality

    Do I think Potash’s comments are warranted? No. But the women’s game hasn’t captured the hearts and minds of people the same way some other women’s sports (soccer, figure skating, LPGA, etc) have. It’s far too similar to the men’s game, without being able to match it entirely. Women’s basketball isn’t any less valuable, worthwhile or entertaining. It does, however, need to differentiate itself in a meaningful way from the men’s game. If that means tweaking with aspects of it (lowering the height of the basket, bringing in the 3 point line, whatever), then the powers that be need to be willing to make the change.

  • asknd

    They’re breaking the NCAA DIV 1 Basketball record…..

  • http://slamonline.com Ben York

    @pilight – I don’t disagree but to make this much of a controversy out of the streak is ridiculous.

  • r2j

    Uconn is going to break the record whether you like it or not. I’m just surprised that
    noone hasn’t talked about the lack of competiton in the ladies game than there is in the men’s game. I don’t like seeing them win then rub it in our faces for their own amusement but you gotta respect the Lady Huskies for keeping their streak alive. I’m from Chicago and the media here is full of haters and criticism. Geno, pay us no mind and let your ladies do the talking but it would be nice to see any team to threaten Uconn. Baylor and Tennesee are the only ones, Stanford? I don’t know but if I see more competition in the ladies game then I’ll stick around watch.

  • theokeydoke

    Somewhere, the world’s smallest violin is playing for Mark Potash.

  • Maria

    GO UCONN!!! Very excited to see this happen. I think Posh is a bigot and should not even be allowed to speak on these ladies. He has no clue.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    R2j hits the correct head. there is just no real comp in womens college ball. All the best players go to uconn or tenn. Baylor is good, but mostly because of one player. There is zero parity in womens college ball. Uconn is like miami heat, but with dwight, deron, kobe, manu, and amare too. Idk why its like that, but it is.

  • Todd

    I agree with you Tarzan. I’ve been watching the women’s college game for about 20 years now, and THE biggest difference between the men’s and women’s game is the recruitment of players. In the men’s game, elite players try out new schools and coaches on a regular basis. Meanwhile, short of Della Donna at UDel, I can’t think of a high school recruit good enough to start at one of the 15-20 powerhouse programs to go off to a mid-major and try to develop something. I’m not sure why that is, but that is ultimately hurting the women’s game.

    I remember back when I went to Rutgers, and I saw them play St. Francis of PA in women’s hoops. It was women against girls to the point of being unwatchable at times. Even among the worse of men’s teams do you see such a huge talent gap? Therein lies the problem, and I’m not sure there’s a such thing as a solution.

  • thesixthwoman

    UConn is breaking the record for most consecutive wins in NCAA Basketball. So they ARE breaking UCLA’s record. Otherwise why would everyone in sports media be saying so? UCLA won 88 games in a row in college basketball, and now UConn will most assuredly win 89 tomorrow night. *End of discussion*

    r2j and Tarzan: There is more parity in women’s (not “ladies”) college basketball now than there was in men’s college basketball back when UCLA dominated. They played mostly west coast schools and maybe 10 top 10 teams during their whole streak. UConn has played more highly ranked teams during theirs (25+?) and this season is playing with a starting five of 1 senior, 1 junior, 1 sophomore and 2 freshman. TWO FRESHMEN. So please, gimme a break.

    And I’m not even a UConn fan at heart. This streak is killing me – my only solace is that the longer it lasts, the more possible it is that my favorite team just might be the one to end it!

  • Brittany

    Um…r2j and Tarzan, you’re both incredibly wrong. UConn has played 29 ranked opponents during their streak. UCLA played 18 during theirs. To say there’s no competition for UConn is ludicrous. They’ve played numerous top 10 teams at home, on the road, and on neutral courts.

  • LD

    Are the UCLA players who hold the record allowed to not want them to break it, or would that make them sexist? If I am on the team playing UConn tomorrow, would I be allowed to not want them to win? Does all of America have to cheer for UConn or can we just stick to cheering for our own favorite/home teams? Why do I have to like them? Why do I have to give them attention? Did they give a sh!t when I was named employee of the month at my job? Can’t they just be satisified with doing their best which according to Wooden was the definition of success? Oh wait, they hate Wooden because he wants women to stay in the kitchen.

  • Kelly

    Nice job once again Ben…and for the ‘haters/miserable bastards’ that Geno referred to, you prove his points over and over and over again..no parity? Hello…how much “parity” was there in ‘men’s bball’ back when UCLA set their little record? Couldn’t have been much right? I mean if UCLA men could do that..who were they playing high shcool teams? Interesting. GO UCONN! Best College BASKETBALL team ever – the end.

  • LD

    At least Tarzan gives examples of how there is no competition in today’s game. Kelly just assumes there was no competition without giving examples when talking about UCLA.

  • LD

    This record is more of a testament to the coach than the players anyway. The coach has been there for ALL the games.

  • Orange Juice Mayonnaise

    Nice post, Ben. I didn’t read it, but since it is a pro-women’s article, I support it anyway.

  • BE.water

    I have no hatred towards women in any sense, but women are always on the ground in womens basketball it seems lol.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010 Diesel

    I feel like Geno is purposely creating an issue out of something that just isn’t true. He’s claiming that the media is up in arms and everyone’s outraged because these girls are going to break a men’s record, but really, was anyone talking about it before Geno went on his rant? No they weren’t. There was no outrage. Instead, Geno decided to blow up and kill two birds with one stone: get these girls some attention and motivate them for the game. I mean how does the media win in this situation? Its either A. They don’t cover the story and people like Ben complain that the women’s game gets no love. Or they do cover the story and people like Geno claim that they “you guys only care cause you’re pissed that the men’s record is getting broken.” But before Geno’s rant, i haven’t seen or heard a single negative comment. The article by Potash is a response to Geno’s comments, not the Uconn women’s accomplishment. Ben – you said it yourself…whenever the women’s game comes up short compared to the men’s game, supporters like you ask the public not to compare the two. But as soon as a positive thing happens you’re appauled when writers like Potash say don’t compare the two. Well which one is it? You can’t have all of the positive attention and none of the negative. And lastly, you cleverly avoided it in you article Ben, but skill level is a very real hurdle that the women’s game will have to overcome if they want to reach a larger audience. Most people enjoy sports as much as they do because they enjoy the spectacle of watching superior athletes accomplish something the average person can’t. It captures their imagination. The women’s game has a hard time doing this with males. For a lot of male basketball fans, these women are playing at a very pedestrian level.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Okay, not really seeing how the two are even comparable? 88 wins is great and all, but it’s not breaking the Wooden record, it’s simply extending their own. This is what frustrates me about feminism sometimes, why can’t women be satisfied with raising themselves without having to attack men. Imagine how the players from the men’s 88 win teams would feel after being told their record had been broken by a team of another gender. I just wonder if it would work in the reverse? Say a woman sets a new women’s world record in 100m sprint, does every man who beats that time also break that record? It’s not fair to compare negatively or positively, just let the two be distinct.

    Also, Brittany, it doesn’t matter whether they played more “ranked” opponents, because they are ranked in a system where the parity is less between the elite teams and the rest compared to men’s competition. If the NBA was made up of just the Lakers, Kings, Clippers, Minnesota and the Wizards, it wouldn’t matter what the other teams were ranked, because the difference in talent/ability wouldn’t be there.

    Went on a bit of a rant after intending to write just a short one, but while I don’t agree with the source quoted in the article, I don’t like pot-stirring by Geno in saying that the UConn team is breaking the record.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Diesel is correct. All ive read from womens hoops fans is dont compare them to men, itts a diff sport, etc. Now, its theyre breaking uclas record. No, theyre not. ….. A mens rowing team cant have a womens team record. ….. Uconn is setting the womens hoops record, not the mens. …….. Very basic…..

  • http://www.oprah.com Doyouwantmore

    88 games is an insane win streak. Stupid to even be discussing any controversy when people should be talking about how they won that many games.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Wait till they push to beat the Harlem GlobeTrotters win streak…

  • riggs

    @omphalos: your analogy is horrible, in sprinting youre running against the clock not another opponent. In sprinting, there isnt someone in front of you trying to stop you from running. Also i dont see where feminism comes into play here, Geno didnt stir any pot and there was a lot of articles putting down the streak (to which he was responding to) if you choose not to read the articles about it, it doesnt mean that they dont exist.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    It’s a debate centred around the difference betweens men’s and women’s basketball… how does feminism not come into this? My running analogy is just regarding comparing records between men and women and why it isn’t fair either way.

  • burnt_chicken

    Isaiah Rider was soooooo fun to watch, actually.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    I’m sure Geno is p*ssed that people also don’t think Candice Parker really won that McDonalds high school dunk comp back in the day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Doyouwantmore – Exactly. Let the streak be the streak and let’s drop this ridiculous controversy people are making it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    And for those who say there is no competition in women’s basketball, that is completely unfair.

  • LD

    I think UConn was a highly respectable program already. I just thought they were above needing a parade in the middle of the season. When Bill Russell’s Celtics won their 11th title in 13 years, they just casually walked off the court. They weren’t jumping on the scorers table and pounding their chest. When they got into the locker room, it was a very somber moment as they felt almost humbled at how much they were able to accomplish despite allt he injuries. Red Auerback who was no longer the head coach but still the GM didn’t go on a rant about how they get no respect even when everyone was planning for a Lakers celebration. A true champion has self confidence and is secure about who they are. Going on TV and whining about lack of coverage on Sportscenter is not what I expect from a champion coach. You are a proven winner and no one can take that from you, but you get all pissy about a TV show that foucesses on the spectacular whether it is dunks or scandals, none of which has anything to do with UConn women’s basketball. Geno needs to grow up. I had more respect for him last week than I do today. That was a bad move on his part. I really believe that he failed at changing anyone’s mind when it comes to his program. No one likes a cry baby.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Ben – I’m not saying that there’s no competition. I’m saying that its hard for some males to relate to the level of play. I’m not trying to knock the women’s game, but when the average guy that played in high school could most likely handle his own in the WNBA, its hard to get caught up in the “superior athlete” part of the game that helps sell other men’s sports.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Well said LD – but its exactly the type of behavior I would expect from a coach that’s trying to justify HIS OWN place in the basketball world. I don’t think this is as much Gino trying to get respect for his girls as it is him tyring to get respect for his own coaching abilities.

  • LD

    After Gino wins a championship and goes through such an amazing experience, instead of relishing in what he knows just happened, he runs to the newspaper to see what it says about him then gets all pissed. “Those sons-a-b!tches don’t respect me. It’s still real to me damn it!”

  • Somedude

    So, by that logic every women’s NCAA track and field record get’s beaten around 10 times at every NCAA track meet.
    Also that the earlier records held by women’s teams were somehow less important than the mark that this team set.
    The win streak in women’s D1 basketball and men’s d1 basketball are different in that they occurred in different leagues; that’s why they can’t be compared.
    It cheapens women’s sport to compare it to men’s, they’re just different. Not better, not worse, not equal, just different, all that comes from measuring the two is chauvinism and pis*y responses like this article.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Ben York always delivers the goods.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @LD – Wrong. Geno hasn’t said anything leading up to the 88th win and kept trying to deflect the attention.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Diesel – The average guy who played in high school could NOT handle his own in the WNBA. Please.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Are you serious Ben? This is the point where I bow out if you think that a high school team like the Simeon’s mens team doesn’t beat ALL WNBA teams. I’ve played against female college All Americans. They are as good as your average high scool men’s varsity player. You can deny it all you want. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Hell, didn’t Artie Lang beat some WNBA player one on one during all star break a few years back? I respect you supporting the women’s game, but lets not get delusional about the level they’re playing at.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Diesel – I’m not going to argue with you. Think whatever you want.

  • http://members.cox.net/pilight/ pilight

    Lange got beat by a woman who had never played in the WNBA or been drafted and who had been out of college and not playing for five years.

  • LD

    I watched Geno on PTI. He said everyone has the freedom to watch what they like and that it is ok if you do not like to watch womens basketball. I like this guy now. He said it is a free country and that I should not feel compelled to watch what people tell me I should watch.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010 Diesel

    Its not what I think though. Its what I’ve seen in person. More power to the women’s game, but this “once in a generation” Uconn team would be beat by a minimum of 300 men’s high scool varisty teams. And before you write me off as a hater. Really think about that. I’m saying the top 6 teams from every state can beat these girls. That’s a safe estimate. I’m sure the number is much much higher. For you to think differently just shows me that you only write about basketball and that you’ve never actually played it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Diesel – I did play. Still do. But that won’t matter to you.

  • LD

    At my college they used average high school men players as practice players for the womens team. This was a division one program.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010 Diesel

    Ben I’m not trying to knock you down. I just don’t know how you could have played the game at an organized level, and still say that any level of women’s basketball is a superior product to men’s high school ball.

  • Jeff

    You played, but you were obviously pathetic. These girls couldn’t play with any player with average athletic ability. If you think otherwise you are senile.
    The top female players are fantastic when the competition is female,but do not sell me that they could perform with any competence with men.
    You have argued forever that we shouldn’t compare genders in basketball, do not insult me and tell me they have broken the UCLA record.
    They own the longest streak vs female competition. Be proud, but don’t tell me they have superseded UCLA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Jeff – They broke a NCAA Division 1 record. No denying that.

  • LD

    Bill Goldberg won 175 consecutive matches in the WWE. Top that!

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  • http://www.sbvclub.com Brian

    I think you took David Stern’s projections out of context, there is no way owners and the NBA are losing 400 million dollars, they make more money on there TV deals then there payroll costs. Stern used the projection as a bargaining chip for the New CBA.

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