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Monday, May 11th, 2009 at 2:13 pm  |  520 responses

SLAM 129: On Sale Now!

The time has come.

by Ben Osborne

I’ve said it before, but I think SLAMonline has got the best commenters around. Extremely passionate about basketball, knowledgeable and, for the most part, allergic to the hateful vitriol that fills—and ruins—so many comment sections out there. And of course, nothing gets you guys going like a debate involving LeBron James and Kobe Bryant (see Ryan’s Kobe post in our Top 50 and Lang’s MVP vote post for two examples, and even the Tag Cloud at the bottom of every page, which currently shows Kobe barely leading LeBron, 122-120, in posts on which they’ve been tagged on the site). So a big “thank you” to all for you for helping “make” this cover story happen, as it’s the first to be pretty much completely inspired by what happens here on this site.

My goal for the cover story—which should be on stands in New York today and nationally by this weekend—was to make a sort of print comment section, but with the comments coming from experts, who I planned to have be NBA players with a few journalists thrown in. Like, if a bunch of people who play or cover basketball for a living (besides just our man Kevin Love) came to SLAMonline to comment on the following question: Who is the better player right now?

Our plan suffered a slight bump when a number of NBA folks we asked—players and even national announcers—answered more like this (thanks to my man Jim Poorten for the video)…


But having people basically admit they were scared to upset whoever they didn’t pick didn’t hurt our enthusiasm for the concept; their reticence to make a call only further illustrated what a valid question it is. And we still got some players to talk on the record, as well as popular TV, print and online analysts and many of the best high school players in the country (who answered so seriously; you can tell they study these guys as close as anyone). We went with this comment angle for the story in the magazine because we thought it was the best way to cover something that hasn’t happened yet, and we headlined the story “The Great Debate,” which we came up with before we knew of either the cool Vitamin Water campaign or the ESPN/NBA TV production of the same title I hear will be airing any day now.

The cover line, “Let’s Get it On,” alludes to how, regardless of the way we package this thing in the magazine, the time is right to settle this on the court. I don’t just think Cavs-Lakers is “meant to be” in the is-the-NBA-in-cahoots-with-ABC-to-make-this-happen? sense (though it is that, too), but that the time is exactly right to see these guys go head to head for a couple titles (the League’s championship, as well as the unofficial Best Player in the Game honor). Which leads to the other rationale: the time for this cover was pretty much now or never. Before this season, LeBron was still an indifferent defender. Meanwhile, after this season, it’s fair to expect some slippage from Kobe as his body continues to absorb punishment. Yes—LeBron will probably get better and Kobe will still be amazing. But they will probably not ever be as close to their respective peaks at the same time as they are at this very moment. I don’t even know what part of me wants to see this more: the fan or the editor. And, from a business sense, despite the ad campaigns that are starting to brew and the debate that has raged in this corner of cyberspace for more than a year, we’re actually still early with this cover. But that won’t last. I expect the second these two clinch their spots in the Finals we’ll be seeing them on more covers than Barack Obama.

The proverbial elephant in the room with this cover, which I talk about in my editor’s letter, is the chance that these two don’t meet in the Finals. I’ve already had some nervous moments (game 1 in L.A. had me sending Lang anxious text messages, and these Nuggets will make things very interesting), but the Cavs and Lakers are still prohibitive favorites and I really don’t foresee having to do something like this again. If I did, as awkward as it would be, the truth is that LeBron and Kobe’s supporters would probably still buy this cover and state their case, but for now I display this with the confidence that it is the right cover, at the right time. Now go buy it!

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  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Dope.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Should’a asked Rip who is better: Him or AI.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    oh god i just went like oh —- when looking at this cover. It’s perfect.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    LeBron, and its not even a close call anymore. The guy has the chance to end up better than Jordan.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    What if those teams don’t meet in the playoffs? Awk-waaard.
    Wicked cover anyway.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Is it too late to photoshop Chauncey’s face over Kobe’s? Or Aaron Brooks?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    better than Jordan? Nope, that’s still sacrilege to me.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Fox is speakin’ sacrilegiously. Jeff, I like your style, but don’t cross that line.

  • The P up D

    KOBE BY A LOOOOONG SHOT…

  • http://slamonline.com SKRILL_BANDIT

    Im tired of people putting Lebron in the same catagory as KOBE24. If they were on the same team Kobe would be MJ amd Lebron would be scottie pippen.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    LeBron has shown dominance, but hasn’t shown anything that says “gonna be better than Jordan.” I know my boy Ben Osborne thinks he has a shot, but I just wont consider it at this point.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    The earth is also flat, only gays get AIDS and Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    I think that Kobe and bron AND MJ need to get past Bill Russell before they can consider themselves numero uno on the list of greatests.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    @Myles Brown…if what? I’ll tell you something, sign Joe Johnson and the Twin City L-Wolves will be contenders for the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    When he’s free that is.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    woah I’m not even considering Bill Russell is the best ever. Not even.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    First!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This is some form of a overdue April Fools joke yes? Love the cover…..but the dude on the right has no business sharing space with the other one. Seriously. And when you say “Let’s Get it On” are you refering to the Lakers early exit activities they are planning?

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    I’m not saying he’s better than Jordan now – that would be premature. But the potential is there – he’s got to get a few rings first. But LeBron is a better rebounder and passer and his defense is coming along. And I’m not even a huge LeBron fan like I am of Jordan.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    oh, also Tzvi, if Russell is better than everyone because he has the most rings, by the transitive property doesn’t that make Big shot Bob Horry better than MJ?! More rings… COME ON

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Umm…Justin….U too young to know.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jeff, his defense is only coming along in one facet- run back blocks. His passing, yes. His rebounding, yes. His offense? HELL NO.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    YES!

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    17th!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Tzvi, don’t even. I know the argument. I just don’t think Bill Russell is even better than Wilt. And don’t eeeeven with the too young, you can’t talk- neither of us were watching that era night in night out. I mean we’ve all seen ESPNClassic games, but come on.

  • mj23

    Eboy: Don’t hate. Kobe is a future hall of famer. Guaranteed. Even if he doesn’t win another championship.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    I didn’t say anything about rings. SPeaking of which….Lebron, get 1.
    ————————————————

    Rip: U lost multiple steps. Sorry.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yall are gonna move some serious units with this one. And Ben, thanks for the commenter love, this really is the best basketball forumn in all the internets.
    Oh, and the answer is: Lebron!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Someone posting under mj23 covering up for Kobe and the Lakers so often obviously has no credibility.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    no Tzvi, I’m not saying you did hahaha I’m just covering that angle before some boob takes it and runs with it into a wall. At the gym some random cat says it and I just blow my head off.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Eboy you crack me up…I know you wanted a guy who wears #3 on the right…

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    I just noticed something really ghey. LBJ has more forehead wrinkles than Kobe already. Haha wow that was a dumb thing to notice.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Hi Myles. Horrendous analogies.
    “The guy has the chance to end up better than Jordan.” Read Jeff’s statement again. You (by which I mean anyone) may be convinced LeBron will never end up better than Jordan, which is fine and may very well be correct. But the logic of that statement — that it’s possible, based on his talent and age and the numbers he’s already put up — is irrefutable.
    Are Jordan’s numbers for his first six seasons substantially better than LeBron’s? Did Jordan win a lot more championships during his first six season than LeBron has? How many MVP awards did Jordan win during his first six seasons?
    He has a chance. That’s all that Jeff’s saying. I don’t know how, rationally, anyone could disagree.

  • AlbertBarr

    I still think this will be the FInals matchup…but if it ends up being the Nugs-Cavs then it would be better to photoshop in Melo rather than Chauncy…better storyline.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin, you know another dumb thing I noticed? Lebron’s name got top billing.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Dag! And A Ramon sessions feature! THAT is the SLAM I’ve known and loved for so long! I want to see another Melo cover if the Nuggs make the finals, or maybe a Melo/Chauncey (JR?) Nuggs team cover…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    None of which is the point of this post, of course. Will we hit 400 by midnight today?

  • WhaHuh

    Slam might end up with egg on their faces again

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Yes, I think we will.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    As many an NBA player has pointed out, they both have receding hairlines in common, too, justin. BTW, the cover is really incredible. Very, very well done. Props to the art/design people in the office.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Ryan, your LBJ love is well noted, cataloged and has its own ISBN number in libraries (see: book Ryan wrote on Bron).

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Caron Butler.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Now that Jones is on my side, I can’t be beat.

    I loved Jordan’s game, and am not a “fan” of LeBron (but I respect the man’s game) so there is no bias involved here (I actually just wrote an article on my blog about how LeBron bores me).

    People forget that Jordan didn’t win a ring until he got one of the 50 greatest players of all-time running shotgun with him.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    But Let’s Get On would not work with Him…The Lakers are still in It while Mr.Wade is fallin’ to the pool eight times and gettin’ up only seven…Ooops!Hopefully Mitch Buchannon is making sure your boy gets up from that pool…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kobe’s Nixon-esque nose really is disgusting.

  • Bill

    Why is SLAM becoming SI for Kids? I’ve been disappointed in SLAM for a few years now. It has fallen off (maybe sells outs?). Bring back Scoop (maybe). At whatever cost. SLAM doesn’t take chances anymore. The annual article on JUCO players is no longer done. Summer camps articles are done at a minimum. There’s no longer controversal covers like the Rafer Alston one, ‘Best point guard in the world (you’ve never heard of). I challenge SLAM to start taking risks again and stop doing articles that every other magazine and website is doing.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    what about him, Russ?

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Justin Walsh is right, LeBron’s offense has been stagnant for years now. It’s not like he has a 3 point shot, mid-range J, post game, or even a hook shot in the lane.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Who has a more recent championship, Wade or Kobe? Go kill yourself now.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    @Ryan, I can’t rationally argue against it, correct. And still……

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Not a fan of LeBron?Up hands who hates basketball!!

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    *It

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jeff, but as a basketball player before the rings, check Jordan’s 87 season. Hollinger may be riding his own d–k with PER for saying Bron is just half a point away from that season, but that season far supercedes it, and that wasn’t even Jordan’s prime. My Jordan love is now well noted, cataloged, and sadly not laden with it’s own ISBN number (see: not published author yet)

  • mj23

    i’m not saying he is a better player than Michael Jordan. i just respect his game. He is a clutch player, and Lakers are just a great team. The banners in the rafters don’t lie. i’m sure MJ in his prime would take Kobe, but Kobe is one of the top 5 players in the league currently, and he has 3 championship rings.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    @Gerard: You’ll see when you get the issue. I hope.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Anton- LBJ doesn’t have a midrange game or 3 point shot… so Your sarcasm falls on deaf ears. and by comparison to Jordan at his peak, Bron’s offense is stagnant.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    @Anton, not a huge fan of LBJ, but get your eyes checked out.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Then what the hell is Bron doin’ on the left…He has 0…Just sayin’

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    oh, gotcha.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    I for one am pissed off that the cover wasn’t of Starbury rolling around in his buyout money,having sex with an intern while a top five Junior Varsity prospect shoots a free throw in the distance.Headline:”F*ck all y’alls”.
    Just not taking chances anymore SLAM.

  • AlbertBarr

    SLAM doesnt take chances Bill @ 2:35? What about the Rubio/Jennings cover last month?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Lebron has a chance to challenge Mike. He may never match Money’s leagacy of resolute clutchness, immortal imagery (The Shot, The Jumpman, the tongue, etc…) or the revolutionary marketing and branding.
    But purely on a basketball level Bron could surpass Mike. In fact, he’s already closer than most would feel comfortable acknowledging.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LeBron’s 3 point shot looked pretty f*cking legit just two nights ago. Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Honestly, one of the best things about this project (and I did a lot of the interviews myself) was how split people were. Of those that answered, whether they made it into the magazine or not, it was about 50-50. Which is like it seems to break down on this site. And Bill: I’m sure this cover will be coming elsewhere, but I don’t think anyone else has done it. And what do you call last month?? You do think we took a chance by putting out covers with Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings and Lance Stephenson on them? And as for JuCo feature. JuCos have become increasingly irrelevant to the college game as guys went straight to the pros or utilized an extra year of high school, so covering players that might only go on to be college role players was really no longer worth the space.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    TAD- and when Charlie V. dropped 50+ in his rookie year, he looked like a superstar. As sheed once said- “even sun shines on a dog’s _ _ _ “

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin Walsh needs to get hit with a harmonica. You don’t think Lebron can shoot three’s? What? You just typed that? Can you be fired from your SLAM post for that? C’mon now kid, we all know it’s hard to submit to the fact that your boy just isn’t THAT guy anymore….but don’t spite your basketball knowledge because of it.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Russ, I’m too boring—well, and short on space—to have included the Caron Butler answer or context, though I did love it. If you have audio or video of it, please feel free to post.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Izzo wins best first-round comment. Especially disappointing because we actually have the photos.

  • adams

    Kinda Marvin Gaye.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    and Eboy, part of this is pure sarcasm. You do realize Bron is MVP and the best player in the league now right? Sheeesh Eb’s, you’ve really sold me short here!

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Comparing LeBron to Jordan’s first six years in the League, LeBron has better 3pt #s, better rebounding and assist #s and is close to Jordan in all the other statistical categories (not that it is all about stats).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Or did you quickly forget the 15 he struggled to get yesterday when his team had a chance to choke the life from the Rockets limp bodies, you know, like a mamba would? Yeah, stop it now.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    A look into Justin Walsh’s rational mind: let’s compare a 24 year old to Jordan at his peak. IT’S TEH ONLY FAIR WAY!!!
    Unless that 24 year old is sorta…y’know..good?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Eboy, as some people on a certain “4chan” site say- TROLLING FOR THE LULZ

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    @Ben: Dammit. I’m not sure how I’d separate the Caron audio—which is short as hell—from the other audio, which is for something else entirely (and equally insane). So I’ll just sum up here, if that’s OK.

  • mj23

    MJ has something neither Kobe or Lebron will ever have….A NCAA championship.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    @Izzo, I would have bought that issue. and funny @bill mentioned Skip. His SLAM cover was just on TV yesterday when they aired an interview with him pre-game.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ryan now knows what I was talking about. Proceed.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I want to hear my man Caron’s answer. Hook it up SLAM!

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Thanks Ben.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    I’m assuming the “go buy it!” part is escaping the grasp of non subscribers who are posting redundant comments…..

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    I’m comparing LeBron in his… 6th season, to Jordan in his 3rd season (and only his 2nd full season because he missed most of his 2nd season). How is that unfair? Tell me how that’s unfair?!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Myles if forgiven. You are the ebony to my cracker.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It should be pretty obvious what Caron would say consider his team continually get’s their asses beaten by one of these guys and there was an entire season’s worth of faux rap beef between one of his teammates and the Cleveland culprit.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hi Sports Gal.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    F*ck, we’re gonna get 400 by 4 pm.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    As much as I love Wade (remember my wet jeans comment?) this is the battle right now. And that’s whether they meet this year or next in the finals. And their respective supporting casts offer similar assistance, so this will be an amazing finals (although I give the edge to the Cavs simply because of defense). Love the cover, guys. I will have this one, whether Primedia’s distribution operation gets it right or not.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    nice close ups. Reminiscent of the lovely MJ closeup cover back in the day. As for both stars on the cover…. Hey, Slam’s gotta make a buck or two, right? How else could they, amongst other things, keep the website running, so both fan camps can verbally battle it out? Until they do meet for the chance at the trophy though, the Mambiatch vs. Bron discussion bores me beyond belief.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Zee: Ben just said the Caron piece didn’t make the mag. So buying this ish wouldn’t make a difference (I’ma lready a subscriber anyway)

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    You really think these are the best commenters around Ben?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Anton- I’d love an answer how it’s unfair that I compare a Bron in his 6th season to Jordan in his 3rd season coming off of an injury that took away most of his second season. You and your revisionist history :)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Seems that the question on the cover has been answered if the comments have gone straight to a LeBron or MJ debate.Bye bye Bean!

  • http://www.garrettelliott.com Garrett

    A Starbury sighting on the cover!

  • AlbertBarr

    Did Jordan ever score more than 50 while achieving a triple-double? I know LeBrons got downgraded but…the kid is pretty frickin’ good.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Very true Izzo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Eboy, swingandamiss.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    oh Cheryl, how could we forget THAT comment. Top 10 slamonline moments, right there.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I won’t believe it ’till I see it or read it, Ryan.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    And for the record, I’d rather have my guy being at the top/slightly removed from the top, rather than being Wade in Miami who is never going to be considered the top player in the league ever. Essentially being in the NBA version of purgatory.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    in LESS than an hour we are already about to hit 100 comments. Ryan, this spit is bananas, B-a-n-a-n-a-s

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2008/05/reminder-slam-119-on-sale-now/ Kiran.n7

    kobe is more talented and bron is a better player. There. End of dicussion

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    And with that said, Kob still is when he wants to be, the best in the game right now.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    wow I was the 100th comment commenting on hitting 100 comments. I ROCK

  • Sparker

    for the first time, lebron has been reminding me of mj, on very important one level. and that is, when mj was in the playoffs, you always had the sense that no matter what the other team did, jordan, at one point, was going to cancel that out, take over and put the game away. not that he always did that: it was more like a feeling you had… in spite of the score or how hot the other team got. so anyway, i was getting that feeling watching lebron on saturday night, ie. atlanta could mess around all they wanted, but at one point, lebron was going to say: “enough of that. i’m taking this now.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What’s with all the Wade talk? Who put him in this conversation? He’s obviously the best two guard in the league….but he doesn’t have the same solid team like these two do, so they stay where they’re at.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Game 5 and 6 will officially be his James Todd Smith games. “Don’t call it a f’n comeback”

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Anyway. The date was April 8, 2009. The place was Madison Square Garden. The situation was, the Detroit Pistons had postponed their irrelevancy by crushing the Knicks, 113-86. And Rasheed Wallace was heading for the door. Figuring he’d be in good spirits (for Rasheed) following a win, I stopped him to ask about something that had nothing to do with the game. He was extremely forthcoming. And after a few minutes of that, I figured what the hell, and threw the LeBron/Kobe question at him. He looked me dead in the eye, and enunciated very clearly: “Caron Butler.” And like that, poof. He’s gone.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    yeah no. Bron is playing teams that are imploding on themselves right now. I’ll wait til they play Boston or Orlando to make that observation.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think (or hope I guess) the debate becomes “Durant or Bron” in about two-three seasons. LeBreezy needs a younger Western Conference foil and as good as BRoy is(I’m a huge fan) he doesn’t have the transcendant talents and unreal physical gifts that LeBoom and KD show.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Justin had his vitamin supplements today, it seems.

  • Sparker

    also: thanks for letting us in on the thinking behind the lead story, ben. much appreciated

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    And now starting at shooting guard for your 2010 Chicago Bulls…out of Marquette University, D-Wade!!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “And with that said, Kob still is when he wants to be, the best in the game right now.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Now THAT sh*t’s funny! He can’t do it all the time then, Zee? Naturally? He’s got to catch himself on the right day? Too funny.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I heart Sheed.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Caron Butler? Russ was this a serious moment like how Lance Stephenson seriously thinks he’s better than Kobe right this moment (dead serious, his dad agrees), or is it like when Charles Barkley tries to tell people the Rockets are NOT better without TMAC?

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Russ: please go ahead and summarize.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I hate Sheed and love Sheed pretty equally, but that was definitely a “love Sheed” moment.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Darksaber, not only that but I have a victory cigar ready when I get the issue in my hands. No, not Sun Yue, not DJ Mbenga… A Dutch. And after that runs it’s course, I’ll go about my business.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Ben: One step ahead of you.

  • ENDS

    no more Kobe Lebron Covers please. Lets keep a count of how many covers these 2 get

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I LOVE Caron Butler. I became a Wizard fan almost solely because he’s on that team. But I can’t even ride with Sheed on that one. Though, I do feel like Caron has been a bit underrated.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Meaning he doesn’t need to be the man every night. Unlike your boy. Who has to toil against that oh so tough Eastern Conference competition. Boo hoo.

  • http://lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    The cover reminds me of SNL’s The Fast and The Bi-Curious skit. I’m just saying. And Kobe fell off after he limp-dicked his way through last year’s Finals.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Eboy I think I’m responsible for that Wade thing :)

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Russ, that interaction alone deserves it’s own feature in the mag. “SHEED: CARON BUTLER. AS TOLD TO RUSS BENGTSON. PORTRAITS BY TWITTER (#FREERONARTEST)

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …but I know why Sheed said it, he figures those two get enough d*ckriding (present company NOT excluded) and went with his boy, Caron.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Russ? Did Sheed add ” nope, both teams did not play hard, but hey as long as someone ctc, it’s all good”.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Like yesterday Zee?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Rasheed Wallace is as serious as he wants to be. I take anything he says with a shaker of salt.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    hahha Slick, I’m sure we stole, nay swaggerjacked from SNL. Ladies and Gentlemen- who’s better… SARAH PALIN OR HILLARY… I mean Kobe or Lebron. Yes.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    @Russ: thank you sir. I’m a Nets fan, but also a Caron Butler fan. Earlier in the year, there was this tiny rumor about Butler being traded to the Nets…. if only that could happen, sigh….

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Eboy I think I’m responsible for that Wade thing :)

  • http://slamonline.com Konate

    it goes like this Kobe is driving seat the best player car and LeBron is in the passenger seat and Dwade is sitting in the back seat with his permit but no liscence

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Like Games 5 and 6 E, since I’m sure he realizes it’s about that time to end this series.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Well said Konate.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Who the f*ck are those two guys? Is this Slam digging into future NBA stars again, like Rubio and Jennings?

  • http://slamonline.com Konate

    Kobe is in the driver seat of the best player car *

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Konate grew up in Brooklyn and probably still hasn’t learned to drive.

  • http://slamonline.com Konate

    lmao @ryan and this is true

  • mj23

    Jordan won 6 championships
    Two time Olympic gold medalist
    6 finals MVPs
    5 regular season MVPs
    career shooting percentage of .497
    most points in playoff game 63 pts.
    led Bulls to record # of 72 wins in 95-96 season
    30.1 ppg, and 32,292 points for his career

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Shaker of salt. Well that would work. Priceless, Bengtson.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Baaaah.

  • AlbertBarr

    I’m very interested to see where Sheed ends up next.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    If it’s Michael Jordan you’re looking for…

  • mj23

    Unless these 2 (lebron and kobe) can achieve some of these stats, don’t make the comparisons. We all know what happened to the careers of Grant Hill, Vince Carter, and T-Mac to name a few.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    AlbertBarr, if you have 8 mill Sheed will come pleay for your rec league.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    *play

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Can somebody find a third-grade reading comprehension textbook and pass it on to Jordan Jr?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Half of you aren’t even old enough to comment on the Jordan years. You guys were like 10 when he retired.

  • http://www.bbltv.net Josh D

    Best cover ever!!!!!!!!

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Here we go…

  • http://www.bbltv.net Josh D

    Oh yeah, LeBron is the better player by just a bit

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Co Co, aren’t you like 22 with your cute self?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    tell me why historians can be authorities on era’s in the 1700′s but I can’t comment about the NBA a decade ago? I know my stuff. I don’t comment on what I don’t know about, and I talk endlessly until held at gunpoint at what I do know.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    CoCo:Does that mean I have to stop commenting on how smooth Bob Cousy’s entry pass was?

  • WhaHuh

    Eboy really drags down the commenting level on this site, to an almost Chukaz level

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Something like that, but I’m not on here comparing Jordan to Kobe or LeBron. I was a teenager when Jordan retired and I know I’m several years older than half of the people who comment on here regularly. What would you guys do without Wikipedia?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    A couple of thought provoking questions for you smart minds out there, that excludes mj23:
    1) Unless you cover your eyes with purple and gold sleep covers, you know Lebron is better than Kobe at their current stage. My question is, is Lebron better right now than Kobe at his HEIGHT? I’m talking two or three years all, legit all-defense (not faux-all defense) and 35 points a game Kobe. Who is better? Who is more valuable?
    2) In terms of the pantheon of legendary shooting guards, Kobe is generally accepted as the second best ever to grace the L, outside of MJ (Sorry Jerry West). So, if Lebron is better than Kobe right now, where does that put LEBRON on the small forward list? Is he better than Bird? Barry? Dr. J? Baylor or Pippen? Where does Lebron rank right now?
    Go for it guys!

  • Clockwork

    Where is Chuckaz anyway?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Because historians dont make lists on who was the best ____ in the 1700′s.

  • mj23

    I grew up watching Dr. J, Magic, Isiah, Bird, and Jordan. They were innovators, and the league is what is today because of them.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I know Co Co, it’s kind of pointless to fight the battle, that’s why I just give in and go along with it. Oh, and Youtube too.

  • cdef28

    I know Kobe won his three championships with Shaq, but he still has won three. LeBron has won none. That’s not to say he will not. Please tell me I am crazy: I can easily see Carmelo having a better career than LeBron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Justin just summed up Justin pretty well. I admire such self-awareness.
    And mj23 just made a great point that has nothing to do with anything.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Myles, that’s a fair point. But I was speaking more to why the heck I can’t talk about Jordan when I have more game tape on that guy than you people would believe! haha

  • cdef28

    I meant he COULD.

  • Joseph

    Wow, awesome cover.

  • Tuomas Uotila

    Hi. Nevermind who’s better, I’m just disappointed no one’s made a Marvin Gaye joke yet.

  • Myung

    20 year olds shouldn’t be able to talk about the G.O.A.T. Michael Jordan because dorks like John Clayton aren’t allowed to talk about the NFL. Oh wait.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Because it was a very smooth entry pass…..
    All-time lists are invariably,complete bullsh*t.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Also, Ryan thanks for the affirmation of self awareness! Now if we can only bring some of that to good ol’ Renardo.

  • AlbertBarr

    If I had 8 million I would probably sign Latrell for my Rec league before Sheed…cause you know…he has kids to feed.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’m not saying you have to be an authority. And I have a hard time believing that everyone who comments on here knows their stuff. That’s not a shot at you in particular Justin, but come on. You visit this site daily. You know there’s some straight ignorance on here which is probably why there are rarely any new commenters.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Izzo, that’s true. But I still like talking about them! :D

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    cdef28: Carmello definitely COULD have a better career than Lebron. JJ Reddick could also average 20 points on 50/40/90 shooting next year too. It could happen.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    I pick Shane Battier.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    cdef28:You Are Crazy!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Co Co, that’s true. And my comment was less toward you and more toward people who do the whole “Oh you’re too young” argument. I say to the old dust collectors, SLING THAT ELSEWHERE! haha, I’m young for everything I cover. And yes, there is stupidity. Even by the smart people. Even by myself. Because sometimes it’s just funny. But sometimes, it’s just a long procession of ‘smh’

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    CoCo obviously doesn’t agree with Ben on the quality of commenters….

  • cdef28

    I don’t mean by any means that Carmelo is a better player. I just think his team is in a better poisition to win more rings.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    If I was making an all-time commenter list, Co Co wouldn’t even make my top 15. Eboy would be there. Izzo too. Ryan might be there but I’m not sure the dude really helped the comment section but just played for stats. Justin MIGHT be there, as time goes by, but I don’t feel like putting him on the list yet, because he’s so young.
    BETCATs is the G.O.A.T.!!!!

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I just turned 30. I grew up in Chicago and went to more Bulls games than I can count. Thanks to SLAM credentialing me Ive been to around a couple hundred more games and locker rooms. And with all that, Im still painfully aware that in the grand scheme of things I dont know sh*t. Which is why I keep going back to learn more. So I dont get when people speak so authoritatively about things they think they know and actually dont.

  • Tuomas Uotila

    Whoops, sorry adams. My bad. As for the actual question, well, “my son, I’m not touching that one with a sixty foot pole”. Although I do hope they both get to the finals. And that Charles Oakley smacks Varejao on his head.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Well said Justin.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jukai that was the best dig comment ever. Ever. And BET is the GOAT.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myles: We’re painfully aware you don’t know anything either!!! ZING!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Myles, I don’t think I’m literal oracle of MJ, because I’m not. but I do think I can comment without completely pissing my pants about what I think of Jordan’s 87 season.

  • AlbertBarr

    There is no way LeBron wont eventually lead a team to a chip. I doubt I could have ever said that about Kobe if he hadn’t been teamed with Shaq…Kobe minus Shaq, even when he averaged 35 a game – hasn’t won sh!t…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Whoops. A hundred. Not a couple.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    That hurts, Jukster.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Thank Goodness I won’t make Jukai’s list. That would have been devastating.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    It’s amazing
    I’m the reason
    Why my team sucks in the post-season
    I yelled at ‘em
    Barely breathin
    Odom faked an injury to leave me
    I lead my team
    With eloborate plays
    But end up shooting the ball anyway
    It’s amazin
    So amazin

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Albert, we once had a big debate about Kobe minus Shaq before Pau. And we came to the conclusion that if LeBron had Smush Parker as the 3rd best player on his team, he wouldn’t have won any series’ either. Haha.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    B Long: You’re like the Steve Nash of commenters. You’re amazing at times, but I’m blaming it on the system.

  • AlbertBarr

    and Carmelo…he wont be the reason his team wins a chip…CHAUNCY!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Jukai:When one talks about making lists of people they prefer on the INTERNET,it’s time to step away from the INTERNET.CoCo would totally be top 5,btw.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Anton with the best remix of the worst Kanye song ever to grace the air.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    CoCo is FINE, and a Hawks fan. Check please!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    wait, CoCo is fine? like fine tilt the head fine or fine as in she’s healthy and a good commenter? hahah

  • AlbertBarr

    Justin, until last post-season, LeBron’s third option was a random sampling of Boobie Gibson, Sacha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes and he managed to get to the finals…just sayin…Kobe also had Caron for a bit…Sheed thinks that guy is pretty good, so…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I wasnt necessarily talking about you in particular Justin. And Ive got tons of tape too, but Ive acknowledged that it doesnt do me much good until I have a better knowledge of the games intricacies. the game is beautifully simple, yet wonderfully complex. I can construct a feasible argument about many things, but I would never claim to know better than an actual professional which some people have no problem proclaiming.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Joey Whelan

    Just saw this, cover is siiiick!

  • cdef28

    I love Chauncey as much as all these other people that now started liking him when they realized Denver is good. But Carmelo is their future. Chauncey will still be good in 4 or 5 years, but by then Carmelo SHOULD be their best player.

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    Why is it always the same people on the cover? Why not put a Detroit Piston on a cover? The last time I saw a Piston on a cover was when Chauncey Billups was an MVP candidate in the 05-06 season.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    and Albert, i would take ALL of the guys you mentioned as 3rd best over Smush in less than a second. Myles, that’s a true point to be sure.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jacob- next time the pistons are worth a cover, we’ll do it.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jacob- did you SEE their playoff effort this season? ’nuff said.

  • AlbertBarr

    Justin, so would I. Just thought I would throw that out there.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    The first one, Walsh.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    battle of the nuclear foreheads and sihttyl groomed facial hair.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Tarzan ftw. Ciolk, first what? my adhd hit full force i have no idea….whats going on

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    sihttyl! I like it!

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    What did B just say?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Anyone who says bron can’t shoot, check the 41% on threes after the all star break. Everyone knows I pick kobe but is the difference really that much? Kobe’s numbers are down marginally from last season (.5 rebounds per 36 minutes and .1 assists per 36 while his scoring is up), but what people fail to realize is that lebron is built like a power forward and plays the forward position so of course his rebounding numbers are going to be better and while everyone rides brons n*ts for his improved defense(to a degree valid) how much is based on his ability to make a spectacular block as opposed to actually buckling down and playing hard d on someone? I’m not saying he doesn’t but bron plays flashy defense and kobe doesn’t have the same flash so automatically he’s better? Its a very close call but I have to go with kobe. We’re not talking about who you want to picnic with . Its about basketball.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    I’d picnic with Shaq, no doubt.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Does anybody else think Kobe and DWade have some disturbing similarities in their games and demeanors?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen, in the immortal words of Esther Anderson, “Watch it, sucka!”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jacob J: Um, dude, the Pistons crapped the bed all damn season. The only cover they get is a milk carton.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I know that makes no sense, but whatever. LEBRON!

  • truthteller

    @Eboy,
    You know I’ve been reading your posts on this site for a while now and I just realized that you’re an idiot! Damn! You really are!

  • http://www.ballislife.com/ Moose

    This was sweet. I choose LeBron. Moose in da house!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    truthteller, I look at myself in the most fantastic of lights…..I consider myself the Kobe of the commenting world!!!

  • http://www.23jordan.com/index.htm mj23

    Lebron’s mama was mixing HGH in his formula.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    So second best eboy?

  • http://www.ballislife.com/ Moose

    Eboy, if you’re the Kobe of the commenting world, make me Derrick Rose.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/ Moose

    Bryan, Eboy was referring to the multitudes of people that hate him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Moose.

  • http://lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    LeBron is better now, but he’s far more protected than Kobe was. I also think LeBron has been on PEDs for the last few years.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/ Moose

    Anytime, Eboy. Just good to know that you know who you’re dealing with on here….

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    comments are slowing down…time to spark up more debate. FOR THE LULZ: KEVIN DURANT HAS A CHANCE TO BE BETTER THAN LEBRON

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Eboy, new ish on B@chi if you wanna check that out.

  • http://www.23jordan.com/index.htm mj23

    Too bad Pat Riley couldn’t coax Chicago to draft a scrub name Michael Beasley. I’m was overjoyed when we drafted Derrick Rose. He is going to be a future all-start while Beasley is looking like a bust.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    F*ck that Walsh…..how long before we get this same cover with RICKY AND BRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    My next choice was gonna be unlikeable snake…

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    mj23 no. hahaha

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Justin, KD has a chance to be a better offensive player. I really don’t think that Durant can dominate like Bron. The obvious physical advantage is there as well.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    Speakin of Durant….don’t miss his name on the cover, and his appearance in the mag.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    RICKY RUBIO IS BETTER THAN MAGIC JOHNSON ALREADY

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damn, so of you are quick to anoint someone a bust.

  • j4zzm4n

    as a lakers fan i am disappointed with the complacency and lackadaisical play.lebron is proving right now that he is the best,kobe is on the same level talent wise but for all his “killer instinct” the fact that we are dropping games to a depleted rockets roster shows me that the key difference between these two right now is hunger.with the talent behind him kobe should be annihilating the west and the league but hey as much as i love kobe i got to give it to lebron this year.his age and skill set right now lead me to believe he will be the greatest but i still hate him for his arrogance love the player hate the man.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Personally, I’m looking forward to the Trevor Ariza and Rudy Gay cover.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Moose, Kevin Durant scares me with how offensively gifted he is. Second year in the league and his offense is already almost unmatched. give him 2 years and we’ll be saying he’s one of the most gifted scorers eva

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m actually more interested in Lang’s Marbury piece.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Walsh you took the sparking thing too far. From here on I will never take you seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Moose, what if I told you I seriously think Kevin Durant might become one of the most gifted scorers ever? You think I’m kidding. He is like Gervin on PED’s.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Justin, most gifted scorer doesn’t mean better player than LeBron. I totally agree with what you said. B-Easy might match up with Durant, though.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    and Moose, again. Watch him play and then realize he’s only 20, then tell me you don’t think by the time he’s 24 (bron’s age now), he wont be the best scorer in the league? He can be like a 6’10 AI only without the bad teammate vibe.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    j4zzm4n: Man, I was with you until that last comment. A Kobe fan calling another player arrogant is probably the most hypocritical thing i’ve heard.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Justin, I totally agree with you. The “never taking you seriously” jibe was about your Rubio-Magic bit haha.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    and Moose I dont mean better than Lebron. I mean better scorer than anybody. not better overall player.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Justin, I AGREE again. I just don’t think that he’ll be a better PLAYER than LBJ.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    oh hahaha. MOOSE YOU DONT THINK RUBIO IS THE NEXT POINT GOD. NOT GUARD. GOD. RUBIO IS SHIVAAAA

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    OK, I got it haha. I agree with that one.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Moose. I enter into argument that Kevin Durant is the savior of this great nation.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    That means that Derrick Rose is fu(king Zeus, man. ZEUS.

  • http://www.23jordan.com/index.htm mj23

    TADOne: On the contrary, some people still have hope for Darko, Kwame Brown, Bogut, and Marvin Williams. You can pretty much tell what kind of player you have after 1 year.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I knew you wouldn’t like that.
    But, from someone who had Wade as his third favorite player a few years ago, I’m telling you he’s starting to resemble Kobe in how he handles his teammates and the game.
    No doubt both of them are amazing talents, but both them have a bad habit of pouting and just taking horrible shots while seeming to say “Eff the rest of y’all.”
    I haven’t seen Wade quit as often as Kobe just yet, but I have seen him quit a little.
    I don’t know, I can’t shake the feeling that time is not going to kind to Pookie.
    And, without Shaq and his ability to help two guards win rings, does anybody think that Kobe would be mentioned in the same breath as MJ?
    Just curious.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Derrick Rose isn’t Zeus, he’s HADES.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Again, that makes Rose the savior’s daddy.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    Rubio is gonna be good if he lands in the right situation. He needs a team that is familair with overseas players (toronto, portland, sacremento, houston…) so that he can be comfortable and play his best.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    If Rose is Hades, Rondo is Zeus and Chris Paul is POSEIDON.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    mj23:
    Hi
    Please take a scissors to your DSL connection.You won’t be needing the internets from now on.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    I’m not saying that Rose is better than KD. I love Durant, he’s my third favorite player behind Rose and JJ. But this is fun haha.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen, if I wasn’t about to be out to pick up my kid, I’d like to debate it, maybe another day though.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Allenp:In fairness,considering the quality of teammates,DWade has much more cause to hold that attitude than Kobe.

  • Diesel

    I just wanted to take part in the drive to 400…LeBron.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    I shall take part in it as well. JUSTIN

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    MOOSE

  • http://www.23jordan.com/index.htm mj23

    I feel sorry for DWade, playing for a piece of sh*t franchise like the Heat.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Izzo is my idol.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    ALADDIN. Okay, anyway- what’s with Australia totally giving up on basketball. What- Julius Hodge wasn’t good enough?!

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    What’s interesting to note, is that this is, IMO, the best year of covers in a couple of years. From 123 (DWill/CP3) to AI to Kobe to Wade to RUbio/Jen Wal/Lance to this one.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yeah, I want Durant to be Lebron’s foil. But unless he can pack on some weight he’ll always be at too distinct a physical advantage. But KD is really real though. He’s going to be in the “top player” debate as soon as the Thunder (or whatever team he plays for) starts to make some noise.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    Oh. 4got. The one before that too. Oden/Kg/bron/kobe…

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    @ciolkstar: The Thunder are just a Blake Griffin/RUbio away from being real, real contenders. TT, out.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Tzvi, or a Hasheem Thabeet. A big man is their key. Griffin is the one, though.

  • truthteller

    Look at you Eboy! Trying to be like KB24!

  • http://www.nbadraftdaycountdown.com NBADRAFTDAYCOUNTDOWN

    i wear KD’s shoes, but Lebron is going down as the best ever.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I know Tvzi. I have a sneaking suspicion that the lottery balls will be kind to OKC this season as well. Maybe not the first pick (Griffin) but I think they’ll add another really nice piece, and they’re one of the few teams with money to spend right now…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Eboy is Bryant in disguise. So, actually, I’m the “truthteller”.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Important thing to consider before getting too excited about Durant:He plays with the Thunder,who if they manage to bag Rubio or Griffin and all works out with them, manage to make a few nice signings and are smart with the cap,might MIGHT be contenders on 3-5 years.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    ehh, I am far from sold on Hasheem. From the 10 spot down I like him, above it, no.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I want to think Thabeet could work in OKC, but then i worry that he’ll just be Sam Dalembert 2.0

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Izzo
    Dwade has never had teammates as bad as the teammates Kobe had when the Lakers started, Kwame, Smush and Luke Walton.
    EVER.
    I don’t care how bad your teammates are, you don’t pout, you don’t show them up. Sure, you hold them accountable, but there is a fine line. And that’s what makes the greats, great.
    Put it this way, Lebron has played with crappy players, he doesn’t make a habit of showing them up, despite their crappiness.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    AllenP is right there. Bron really is a great teammate. Dude goes out of his way to dap guys like Hickson and Tarence Kinsey. Someone said it here the other day, The Cavs look like they are having more fun than any team out there (except maybe the Nuggets?) and while I don’t like some of the pregame antics they have a great team concept in place right now, and Bron’s graciousness and repor with teammates in an undeniable part of that.

  • http://www.yamahyouth.com Gerwin

    W.O.W…… just silent. Dope cover again SLAM!

  • AlbertBarr

    cosign ciolkstar – Bron seems to be a very gracious person and his value to his team goes far beyond the basketball skills. Dude’s funny to, I bet he could host SNL…that would be funny sh!t

  • AlbertBarr

    cosign ciolkstar, Lebron is great teammate…much more valuable in that respect.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Ciolk
    I’ve said that many times about the Cavs.
    The Celtics have fun as well, but since they are an older team, there is less exuberance.
    I just don’t like players who pout when other people screw up, but figure they should get a free pass when the mess up because they are “the star.”
    I mean, part of being great is winning the genetic lottery. So yes, if you know your teammate is slacking off and goofing around, you should dig in those chops when he fails to perform. But, if he just lacks skill, or tends to be a little nervous, pouting and complaining will not make things better.
    it’s wack.

  • self proclaimed kobe nut hugger

    It’s not fair to make this comparison, Lebron is not from our world. It’s incredibly obvious, frankly I don’t know why it’s not talked about more often. I’ve heard he’s possibly a Sith Lord. Although we may never know the truth about his origins, it’s easy to see that Lebron is well on his way to being the most dominant player ever, forget about Shaq or whoever else, main difference being that Lebron can dominate the ENTIRE length of the court (easily).
    Oh yeah, and Jordan sold his soul to the devil in order to obtain superhuman ball playing powers (fact). So no Kobe/MJ comparisons either. So to wrap things up, Kobe Bryant = GOAT by default. You’ve been enlightened, thank you, come again.

  • Tommy Patron

    I don’t feel that SLAM is doing stories that all other magazines/websites are doing. It may be that the portion of basketball/basketball culture that SLAM built itself on is now the leading pop-culture force and the mainstream has morphed to be pseudo SLAM-like.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    If the Lakers lose to either Houston or Denver, and Melo and Bron meet in the Finals, how crazy would it be if Bron loses to Melo?
    That would mean that Melo and Wade got rings before Bron. That would be funny.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And Darko. Don’t forget Darko.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Allenp honestly that would be hilarious.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think its more of a possibility than many recognize AllenP. I love Carmelo as the Black Sheep of the family, who eventually redeems himself but does it on his own terms.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    oh yah. Darko does have a ring. dang.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And I know it’s not the cover-friendly storyline, but I am DEFINITELY riding with the Nuggets. JR! Kenyon! Melo! Nene! Birdman! There’s nothing I want more than to see them at the White House.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Cosign Russ.
    I wonder who Barack is rooting for now that Chicago is out of it? Is he a “player fan” or does he ride for the Celtics/Lakers? I know he picked UNC to win the NCAA, but I’m honestly pray that he’s not a (frontrunning)Laker fan.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Damm that would mean Bron would be in the same boat as Bosh…
    I’m guess that if three members of class of 2003 get ring before Bron, that’s a damper on his legacy. I mean, it’s kind of like Kobe consistently taking a big crap on the court every since 2005 when he feels “slighted.”
    I’ve seen lots of revisionist drafts that say Kobe should have been number 1 in 1996. I think Slam did one. But, I honestly am not convinced that Kobe could have taken that Sixers team as far as Iverson did. I’m just not convinced he oculd have found a way to do what Iverson did with teammates with the same limitations.
    What say you all?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Im the GOAT, ask Jukai! And the name Ramon Sessions makes me happy. Its about damm time Its about damm time Its about damm time Its about damm time Its about damm time Its about damm time Its about damm time

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    SLAM picked Iverson too. I say youre both wrong. If AI could get through Reggies Pacers, Vince’s Raptors and Sam & RayRay’s Bucks theres no reason Kob couldnt. I dare not consider the inverse out of fear of the hilarity that might ensue…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Obviously two-time MVP Steve Nash should have been the first overall pick in 1996.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Hey I think I’d like to talk about this current issue. Ben said SLAM got the opinions of a number of the top HS players on the Kobe/Bron debate. TRUST me- I was at the hotel when Jordan Hamilton, Renardo Sidney were arguing about it, and if it’s anything the way that debate went out, this should be fun.

  • Pardeep

    Kobe by a long shot just like the commercial says it BEST CLOSER IN THE GAME. Kobe will come through anytime he wants and that loss to the Houston you guys are forgetting the Zen Master is the smartest coach in the game and he laughed this loss off on purpose the man knows Battier and Brooks wont ever ever do that again. It seemed to me Kobe went on a shooting strike for a while but I doubt it. The Lakers in 6 and the Lakers in 5 against Denver cas Kobes the Nugget killer and Lakers in 5 in the Finals.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    ^idiot

  • Harlem_World

    Pardeep, do you even watch the games? Lakers in 5 against Denver and 5 against the Cavs???? Take off those Kobe colored glasses and think again. My money is still on the Lakers but it won’t be easy and I wouldn’t be upset at all if Bron snatches the chip and title of greatest in the game today from Kobe, right in front of the whole world. It’s time…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I’m going to enjoy this issue for sure. Hope it lives up to the hype…play wit it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    EBoy … is an idiot lol this is what I am noticing.

  • http://jakeandamir.com tealish

    Both good. Both at the top. Kobe at 30, has no chance to be greater than MJ. LeBron, at 24, has that chance based on youth. And though I highly highly doubt it, nothing is really definitive. At the moment though, it’s still Kobe. Trust me, fellow 24 haters, it does pain me to say it.

  • Zoran

    LeBron is a better all-around player and a leader, Kobe is a better scorer. Give LeBron few years, and he will be the best in it all.

  • http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    “I’ve said it before, but I think SLAMonline has got the best commenters around. Extremely passionate about basketball, knowledgeable and, for the most part, allergic to the hateful vitriol that fills—and ruins—so many comment sections out there”

    DIS-AGREE. There are so many hate filled comments here (Eboy, Anton, Chintao, et alia), it’s just crazy. That’s why I’ve moved over to SB Nation, where at least guy’s comments can be deleted if they are just contentious or insulting.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Allenp about Iverson: I agree, no player in NBA history has done more with what he was given than Allen Iverson, in my opinion.

  • CDef28

    I know everyone hates Kobe’s arrogance, but he is still a great ball player. LeBron very well could be better than Kobe by 30, but I am skeptical because that means he will have to earn, IMO, at least 2 championships to do so. Also, I see Kobe’s game aging better due to him not having to dominate as much athletically as James.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What’s a Jackie Moon?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Jackie, you can ignore comments you know… I mean I don’t agree with a lick that Eboy says about the Lakers at all and that’s who he’s so hateful about (KB especially)…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Eboy is hateful, very hateful. Everyone knows that Jackie. His mother used the thermometer in a different way then it was suppose to be used … I would be mad as well!!

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    Im down eith Coik’s idea of showin the Nuggs some love, but i see Melo’s name on the cover so thats good for now. But wouldn’t the Cover be alot more catchy if u put “Kobe and Lebron” rather than “lebron and Kobe”. Poetic justice people!

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Kobe the best player on the planet? Possibly… probably? But “real” Kobe fans, people who’ve followed Kobe for his entire career, who try and understand/appreciate/tolerate him in his entirety and aren’t just pimply young youtubing bandwagoners who can’t remember anything beyond “81″… “real” Kobe fans *know* that Kobe the enigma is as equally capable of greatness as he is of doing unexplainable, weird things. Like he did in the 2nd half of Game 7 against PHX in 2006: red hot with 23 points in the first half, Kobe takes all of 3 shots in the 2nd half, missing all of them, with his sole offensive contribution thereafter being a technical free throw. Where was the deadly Mamba then? You tell me, o shortsighted, blissfully blind KB24 faithful.

  • g

    wat if the best player in the world wasnt kobe what if it wasnt anybody in the nba what if the best player in the world was in jail ???? makes you think lol

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    g, the sad part about our society is that if there was a guy in jail who was better than Kobe, that guy would NOT be in jail….

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Joel … that was beauftiful until the end. I have watched Kobe since his 2nd year in the league. The 3 shots, is because Phil told him to not shoot, and get his teammates involved, it was the game plan. Sometimes you have to try new things to get a different result. And one thing everyone is talking about to this day is how great of a defender Raja is lol … this commercial of Manu crossing him up is kind of funny for a few reasons. One, Raja has his hands down, first mistake. Two, he isn’t watching his hips or stomach he is looking him straight in the eyes, second mistake. Three, he leads him LEFT… Manu … LEFT, third mistake. Four, he quits when he sees he has the layup, FOurth mistake … Raja bell, the fake defender!!

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    would a lebron-kobe finals be a better series than the 09 celtics v bulls?

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    or is it just all about the hype, like a mayweather vs pacqiuao?

  • Joe A

    g and moose: The best player is in jail. Don’t you remember Ron Artest’s interview last week?

  • clapzilla

    LeBron vs. The Guy Under His Chin. Don’t Know Why Kobe’s Face Is On There.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    @ davidR: It won’t be better than the Celtics-Bulls series. Nothing will be. That was just insanity on a stick. IMHO, a Kobe-Bron Finals would be a letdown. I mean, they wouldn’t even guard eachother, you know? I mean, that doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be great, but it’s a marketing thing with those two playing eachother.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    This cover is sick. I love it, cannot wait

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin, were you being slick mouthed about me? I’m just saying…..what’s up with that sh*t brother?

  • El Gee

    oooooooooo boy, i have a feeling this ones gonna be good!

  • http://fjdklsf.com Jukai

    You know what I realized? It looks like they’re going to kiss.
    “I’M ALL OUT OF LOVE, I’M SO LOST WITHOUT YOUUU”

  • KRoq

    In the 2nd half of that Phoenix game, it wasn’t just that he barely shot the ball – he didn’t do anything, didn’t try to create for his teammates, didn’t try to get them amped, he flat out let his team sink.

  • KRoq

    Kobe to me is unquestionably the most skilled basketball player on the planet. But there’s more to ball than skill, and if you couldn’t figure out after last year’s playoffs that Lebron is the best in the NBA, then you never will.

    Kobe on a team with more talent than the Cavs loses to the Celts in 6 (and gets eliminated with a 40 point blowout); Lebron puts the Cavs on his back and takes the best defensive team of the decade to 7 games, just barely missing out on a trip to the finals thanks to a legendary effort from the Truth.

  • jrb

    pimpest cover ive ever seen

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    Mike from the hood needs a cover ASAP. have him holding a table leg

  • http://www.broy7.com nate the great

    i dont think its even fair to compete these too.
    i mean lebron will be a better defender and rebounder simply because he is EFFIN HUGE! (cough cough roids)
    But i think in one on one lebron would win.
    but idk. i dont like either of them.
    NASH! ROY! ERIC GORDON!
    BAM!

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/originadro Witness

    LeBron > God.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!!

    oooookkkaaayyy this post is officially done

  • Gerardo

    issue 125 A.I..
    issue 126 Kobe…
    issue 127 Wade….
    issue 128 Ricky & Jennings….
    issue 129 Bron vs Mamba…………..
    issue 130 Cav-broniers……………..
    issue 131 champ…MVP..ness…………..

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @James the balla: Point noted, that it was part of the game plan. But Kobe the facilitator and Kobe the scorer do not need to be exclusive to each other. Whether it was Phil’s mistake or his, it resulted in the Lakers playing 4 on 5 offensively against what was then the best offense in the league. For Kobe to NOT shoot for the entire 2nd half of a game 7 is… it still is inexplicable to me. And Raja… is a tough defender, not a *great* one, like you said, in the Rick Fox / Vujacic / Bruce Bowen mould of really annoying get-under-your-skin annoying defenders.

  • Pardeep

    This is funny people think the Lakers are playing bad right now and wont win games in 5 or 6. You do know that they have the smartest coach in the world right. He was playing his usual mind games yesterday again by laughing this loss off and did not give a rats ass. Phil knows that Battier and Brooks will never do that again and Lakers are gonna win in 6.

  • Pardeep

    And WOW! The nut sucking for LeBron was taken to another level yesterday again when ESPN gave us “LEBRON MVP ALL ACCESS” before a Laker game on day James aint even playing. Then Stuart Scott said give him the title now? FOR WHAT? Then MAGIC gave it all away this is what David Stern wants he wants LeBron to be the face of the league the class act superstar for once finally since Mike that Allen Iverson gangster image can be gone. Thats what Stern wants thats what the Media wants they love LeBron. There was never no ALL ACCESS MVPS for Kobe or for A.I. or any stats shown on ESPN about A.I. even when they are supposed to be shown they say something dumb like Scoring leaders in playoffs (last 4 years) cas they know his name aint on that list. Then the hate for another non class act like Kobe. The hate for this man is too high it makes me sick. They make Kobe work so hard for some respect. Why are we still hearing bout LeBrons 48 against Detroit like its the best scorinb performance ever? Kobe drops 81 you here about it like 4 times a year but Brons perforamances you here bout em too much. Hes a great player but them saying hes going to go down as the greatest is out on a limb. The mans first 6 years in the league are not better then A.I’s but again A.I. was not this nice guy “MARKETING THE NBA” as Magic would say. LeBron gotta keep it real and cut those dances out before games. Do you those when you develop a lethal shot like Kobes. Till then its just the media brain washing you ignorant people and you are all falling for it. THIS IS WHAT THE NBA WANTS LEBRON LEBRON LEBRON not when greats likke KOBE do things you cant believe. LeBron averaging 34 in the playoffs and its a big deal rite now 2 years ago when Kobe was a one man team he averaged 35 in 82 games people. Dont listen to media they are deep up LeBron. LeBrons great not as good as Kobe. kobes putting up good numbers against two guys from the 2nd Defensive all nba team. Agreed with Teddy no one has done what A.I. has with wat he was giving it was amazing.

  • j4zzm4n

    TAD yes kobe is arrogant, granted but because he’s won chips i kinda blow it off as i see lebron as being more arrogant and the whole pregame showboating grates me.again lebron is a brilliant player but that whole attitude of his and the media messing their pants over him further adds to his ego and thus my hatred for his attitude.i would laugh if the magic won the east though.yes i have faith that the lakers will beat the rockets but they got to pull the finger out and show everyone that “we’re here to annihilate the competition”,rather than coasting and expecting to beat teams just by showing up.

  • larrylegend

    eh, maybe i miss something, but where’s the change in cover-stories…?

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    344

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Very long comments section. nice going SLAM. you guys did save some money on not having to do a photo shoot, didn’t you? Is the trend going to be that you do one risky cover (DWILL, RUBIO/JENNINGS) and then always follow them up with a sure thing (KOBE, LEBRON, DWADE, AI)? Probably the safe thing to do, although for the fans it’s not always as fun to see the same guy on there every 3 or 4 issues

  • maeng

    how about lebron vs. melo in the finals….i think the lakers are gonna loose to the nuggz in the west finals….the lakers are just too soft just like last year and the rough and tough nuggets are gonna kick the lakers butts…..!

  • Jone

    i agree… cavs vs nuggets in the finals… but who ever goes to the finals one thing is for sure… the cavs will win it all!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    lebron. but you guys knew that.
    there’s something weird about kobe’s game: he can’t be agressive while being a facilitator at the same time. you can tell when kobe is looking to score or when he’s looking to pass. it’s like he can’t do both at the same time and just take the better option on a given play.
    jukai touched on this in another post but some people are just stuck in 05 or 06. there were lots of holes in his game back then but the man did his homework. you can’t say that he can’t shoot anymore, you can’t say that he can’t play d anymore and you can’t say that he can’t post up anymore. he can get better at everything, he’s not in his prime yet. but he’s still better than anybody playing the game right now. saying that kobe has more ‘skills’ than bron is kinda admitting that he’s not better than bron. you wouldn’t have said that mj had more ‘skills’ than glide, right? you would have just said ‘mj is better than glide, period.’

  • catalan

    kobe is better, but he must pass the ball (like Lebron has doing now).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Pardeep: You do realize that ESPN is showing some Spike Lee Joint called “Kobe Doing Work” this weekend, right? Yeah, but ESPN is all over LeBron’s jock. That is so obvious. Honestly, the 4 letter is completely in bed with both of them. Stern is too. So please get off the kick of everyone is riding on LBJ’s jock. There is jockriders in both camps. I don’t care for either of them.

  • prophecy_projectz

    SLAM is really testing the jinx theory by putting the inevitable finals on the cover.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Nice speech par deep.

  • fboy

    kobe is a better basketball player than eboy

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Orlando vs Denver, prophecy_projectz

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    So if LAL wins the chip, Kobe gets 3 covers in 6 issues??

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Dope cover.
    So, Jukai, who’s your top 15 commenters? I’m interested.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    You guys haven’t made it to 400 comments yet….Slackers.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    “there’s something weird about kobe’s game: he can’t be agressive while being a facilitator at the same time. you can tell when kobe is looking to score or when he’s looking to pass. it’s like he can’t do both at the same time and just take the better option on a given play.”

    I’ve been saying this for a while, Z. Its why Lebron’s game feels so much more ‘organic’ to me, Kobe lacks the natural court vision and desire to create for others that Bron has shown his entire career.
    Those games where Kobe wouldn’t shoot totally proves that theory, I guarantee Phil didn’t say “Don’t shoot” he just said “Don’t exclusively look for your shot. Pass the ball.”
    Kobe responds by looking only to pass, like he literally can’t focus on both.
    And although I think “Kobe vs Bron” is really a non-debate at this point, the Kobestser could give his camp a lot of ammo by coming out and dominating this game tonight, but his jumper will have to be falling for him to do that.

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  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @ciolkstar: Spot on. When Kobe is asked to be an unselfish facilitator, he does so to a fault almost, passing on every shot that comes his way and actually compromising his deadliest weapons. It’s almost as if he tries to make a point, trying to prove something… like “look at me, I’m unselfish”. Which gives plenty of ammunition for “Kobe Haters” to point out his posturing and pretence.

  • truthteller

    I love the hate for KB24 and I also love how the media has Lebron’s c4ck deep down their throats. I can’t even get mad at them or any of the haters at all anymore. I’ve made up my mind to just enjoy two of some of the best players of our generation and leave the d56k riding and hating to everybody else ’cause the truth of the matter is that Kobe will never get the love or respect he deserves no matter what he does. In the real, reasonable world, we would appreciate and love a kid coming out of high school at 17 where nobody in the media had him doing well and becoming a sure bet HOF! LeBron is 6’9″, 270 lbs while Kobe was at his time, the smallest and only guard to ever come out of high school! And yet, we hate! Amazing and sad!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Cosign truthteller, I am a big Kobe fan, because of the way he plays the game, I love his drive to be the best at any cost. I tell people all the time in this Kobe vs. Lebron debate Kobe went to the Lakers, that already had stars-Shaq, Eddie Jones, Bryon Scott, Nick Van Exel, Cedric Ceballos, Robert Horry and worked his way up from scoring 7 a game to 15 a game to 20 a game and now really the number one seen player globally, remember China last year. All the love. Back to the point is he was not a media darling, Charoltte gave Kobe up for Valde, everyone thought he would be just a highlight player, but the drive for him to be the best hurt and has helped his reputation. Kobe has proven alot of critics wrong and was not man made like Lebron in High school who came to a team that let him do anything he wanted to do on the team. Kobe had to sit the bench, watch others play, earn playing time and even had a coach who did not believe in him. Kobe to me is a story of player who to me is the second greatest guard ever and top 10 greatest player all time.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Co-sign truthteller!!

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    I already got my issue in the mail, thanks to SLAM for looking out for your EURO readers. The Bron/Kobe ‘comment’ session is a sweet read. Although I wanted SLAM to give a clear verdict in the end, instead of going with a diplomatic Coach K statement. I was really looking for SLAM to man up and take a stand in the never ending discussion, instead you went all diplomatic on us. It’s decisions like this that makes the gap between SLAM and every other BBall magazine smaller. I realise You got readers to cater too, but in the end your core-readers will shy away (probably not since there’s not really any valid alternative, but still) because of the magazine going the mainstream-road. Remember you are the self proclaimed ‘in your face basketball magazine’, please act like it. Best regards Lz – Reader since the first Kemp issue.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Top 5 greatest of all time Seed… and Kobe came to a team with over 50 wins!! Well traded to a team. Think Lebron would have been traded from the cavs to Detroit for Ben wallace? Or to Dallas for for Damp … don’t think so. Kobe … big game tonight.

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Ups, just realised. Hope I didn’t spoil it for anyone.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    James, Kobe can be seen as top 5 player all time to me if he wins a title without Shaq. I am a huge fan, but he needs one by himself to me. And you are right Kobe went to a great team at the time and Lebron went to a crappy team where he was the focal point.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Kobe is top five all time? Kobe is better than at least one of these dudes: Michael, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Wilt CHamberlain, Dr J, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russel, Hakeem the Dream?
    Shaq?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Kobe is top five all time? Kobe is better than at least one of these dudes: Michael, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Wilt CHamberlain, Dr J, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russel, Hakeem the Dream?
    Shaq? Duncan?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    It was a silly statement. Just as silly as considering Dr.J a candidate top five all time talent and not even mentioning Oscar Robertson. Let it go.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I always forget about the Robertson. For someone with a granduer nickname like The Big O, he’s pretty forgettable.

  • truthteller

    Jukai,
    I wouldn’t put Kobe in the top 5 just yet. Although, he’s the 2nd best guard period of all time! So where would you rank Kobe on your all time list? (be objective, remove all hate and just be honest)

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    REPEAT :Kobe had to sit the bench, watch others play, earn playing time and even had a coach who did not believe in him. Kobe to me is a story of player who to me is the second greatest guard ever and top 10 greatest player all time. REPEAT, (JUKAI) with one more title KOBE has Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Dr J, beat. with two more titles Kobe is only behind MJ.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Dr. J probably shouldn’t be on that list.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Kobe sat on the bench because he wasn’t ready to play.
    Then again, if his coach didn’t believe in him, why was Kobe on the court at the end of PLAYOFF games so he could shoot his infamous airballs?
    I mean, from what I know, when coaches don’t like players, they don’t play them in the clutch. Particularly not rookies straight out of high school.

  • truthteller

    Allenp, so what are you saying then?

  • http://hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com/ Jeff Fox

    Kobe definitely isn’t top 5 all-time – he’s not even better than LeBron. (Shameless plug – I’m working on my LeBron vs. Jordan column today – should be up on my blog later tonight).

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Truthteller; All-time these cats (in no particular order) belong before Kobe:
    MJ,Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, Robertson, Bird, Duncan, and Isaiah. If Kobe starts winning championships on his own he could jump up the list.

  • http://hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com/ Jeff Fox

    I wouldn’t put Zeke above Kobe.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Allenp, Kobe earnd the playing time to play in the Utah series, where he had two airballs. Thats the drive of Kobe to be the best. The coach had no choice but to play him, earned the right to play.

  • Diesel

    Why does everyone add an inch and a 30 pounds each time they reference Lebron? The guy is 6’8″ and I’ll guess somewhere around 250.

  • truthteller

    Jeff fox,
    If you opened your eyes you would realize that Lebron is more like Magic than Mike! Are we so eager to look for the next Mj that we’ll just put anybody? LeBron’s attitude, passing, media lovability all reminds us of nobody else but Magic not Mike! As much as it hurts for you and a lot of people out there, Kobe is more like MIke than LeBron is! His attitude with teammates, his competitive drive, his love/hate relationship with the public is all mIke!

  • truthteller

    Lz, so is he #11 on your list?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Should we give Kobe props because he wasn’t as good as LeBron coming into the L? Bron would have been the starting SF of those Lakers team from the jump. Kobe would have been Ricky Davis’ back-up if he had started on the Cavs. It’s incredible that Kobe improved so much during his first years in the L but it’s kind of a reach to say that LeBron had it ‘easy’ when people didn’t really give it to him, his game was just effin READY. Remember that lots of journalists, experts, fans where waiting for him to fail. He had tremendous pressure to succeed from day 1 and he came through.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    truthteller: (in more of a particular order): MJ, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Robertson, Russel, Dr. J, Hakeem… then it gets a bit grey… I’d PROBABLY put Duncan rounding out the top ten, then Kobe, and I only say that because of Kobe’s really disapointing series against the Celtics, where we really saw when his shooting leaves him, he has trouble helping the team in other ways. Then I’d put Shaq.
    Why are people so low on Dr. J? If we’re talking NBA players, sure, Dr. J is lower, but if we’re talking basketball players, how can Dr. J not be on this list? The dude absolutely annahilated the ABA (29 and 12 motha f*cka) and although he only won ONE championship in the NBA, people forget that his team, which mostly was comprised of nobodies, was ALWAYS in the playoffs, and was in the NBA finals a couple of times.
    His stat line at the end of his career was 24 points, 8.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 2 steals, 1.7 blocks. Almost two steals and two blocks a game!
    Give this guy some credit.

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    True Jeff, Zeke is borderline. But he still won championships being the man on his team and playing the toughest position on the hardwood. Still wont argue with you on this on.

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Thuthteller; yeah something like that, maybe even above Zeke or tied.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    LZ: Isiah over Stockton? That question has always bugged me.

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Jukai
    I have a problem with Dr. J never really developing a religable jumpshot. That bothers me.
    I can’t deny his greatness, but it’s also hard for me to give too much credence to his ABA days, although they do count. Finally, over the years, Doc played with Bobby Jones, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Moses Malone, Charles Barkely, Billy Cunningham and Darryl Dawkins. Now, he didn’t have all those cats at the same time, but that’s far from a list of bums. His problem was the Boston regulary exploited their weaknesses.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Dr. J never developed a reliable jumpshot, but I’ve often heard that it wasn’t as bad as some people make it out to be (NOTE: I’ve often heard that from my father, who is a die-hard Dr J fan, so…). While he rarely took a three-point shot in the ABA, he had a couple of respectable ~35% clips, which leads me to believe his jump shooting wasn’t THAT atrocious.
    You’re right, he didn’t always play with bums, that was a bit of an exaggeration (hyperbole?) on my part. Still, many of those guys were either rookies (Barkley) or twighlighting (Cunningham) when Dr J got to play with them. When Dr. J got to play with Moses Malone, they won an NBA championship.
    I still say he’s a top-10 caliber player, but I think I’ve disclaimered this before: my father was a huge Rick Barry and Dr J fan, so when I was growing up, I was made to believe they were the unrivalred Gods of basketball’s past. So take my Dr J love with a grain of salt.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    truthteller, I’m not comparing Jordan and LeBron because they are similar players, but rather because most people consider Jordan to be the best player of all-time and I’m arguing that LeBron could end up being better than him.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Jeff: You’re opening up Pandora’s Box, you know that right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Dr J’s “playa” game is definitely top-10 worthy.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    One guy who doesn’t get enough respect when listing the greatest players of all-time is Moses Malone. 3-time MVP. Finals MVP. 12-time All-Star. 8 All-NBA selections. Most offensive boards in history, top 5 total boards all-time, top 6 points all-time. Only winning 1 ring is really his only big blemish.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    What’s the over under on MVPs/Chips for Bron by the time he’s 30?
    I’m thinking (atleast) three of each…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yeah, Moses could use more love. And yes, LeBron “could” end up being better than Jordan when all is said and done.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    IMO, without a “Shaq-free” ring Kobe isn’t top 10 all time. He and Scottie would then be neck and neck for all time best second banana…

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    “Could” is the key TADOne, but as I’m going to argue on my blog (shameless plug #2 – click my name for more info!!), 6 years into his career LeBron is ahead of Jordan at the same point.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Jeff: I actually didn’t know he had that many MVPs and all-star appearences. Dude is rock solid.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Plus he said “fo, fo, fo”!! Can’t top that quote!

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    I think it’s fitting my “fo,fo,fo” comment was comment number fo-hundred! Karma!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Please, you were planning on bringing up Moses Malone all along and writing that at 400 since the beginning.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Did Marcel take a leave of absence after that game 4 Lakers loss?

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Jeff
    I don’t think Moses Malone is better than any of the centers mentioned ahead of him, nor any of the wings and guards. That’s probably why he gets left off.
    I mean, he had a nice game, but it was predicated on toughness and hard work, moreso than crazy skill. So, while he was effective, and great, he didn’t have the complete aresenal of someboyd like Hakeem or Kareem.
    Just a guess.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    I agree Allen – just wanted to throw his name out there since it is often overlooked. I wouldn’t put him above Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, Kareem or Shaq, that’s for sure.

  • Marco

    @ ciolkstar
    What you say is the most ridicolous thing that I’ve heard in a while. The most skilled player ever, the second most unstoppable scoring machine of all time among guards, a player who has outscored a team after 3 QUARTERS, is a second banana? hope yuo are joking

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Marco
    I agree that it sounds crazy, but let’s think about it.
    How do we define a “franchise” player or first banana?
    Is it strictly by being the best player on your team? Or, does it have to do with championships and overall team success?
    Without Shaq, who was clearly the top guy on those Lakers teams, Kobe has failed to have consistent team success, and win a ring. He’s put up great individual numbers, but what about his team success since Shaq left screams top guy?
    It’s an interesting argument. It seems like sometimes people use team success to determine whether someone is a franchise player, but other times they use other stuff. It all depends on what you think a “true” top guy has to do to solidify his status.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Scottie Pippen, the second banana, is better than over 95% of the players in the NBA today. What does that say?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Didn’t Jerry West play second fiddle to Wilt Chamberlain?

  • truthteller

    Kobe at #11 all time ain’t too bad at all. I’ll agree with y’all on that. But you guys have got to agree that’s he’s top 3 in the last decade!

  • truthteller

    Now, who are the top 10 guards of all time?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Shooting guards or guards in general, truth?

  • clapzilla

    The 10 Best Guards of All-Time? Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, And Dylan. Because I Spit Hot Fire!

  • rob stewart

    Tiny
    Magic
    Stockton
    MJ
    Lebron
    West
    Kobe
    Robertson
    I have to think about the rest

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Top ten point-guards in somewhat particular order: Magic, Big O, Stock, Zeke, The Cooz, Clyde, J-Kidd, CP3, The Glove, Tiny..
    Top ten shooting-guards in somewhat particular order: Air Jordan, Black Mamba, Mr Clutch, the Ice-Man, Glide, The Answer, The Pistol, Killer, D-Wade, The Pearl…
    I love lists.
    The best GUARDS are a bit harder to think about. Just shave off the last five from each list.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    There are definitely seperate measuring sticks, one of stats and stylistic legacy and one of championships. Now Kobe is at an odd intersection because he does have the Chips but looking back it seems pretty obvious that is was Shaq who made that glory attainable for Kobe. I actually wasn’t trying to put Kobe down, and I’m not even sure if I think he’s really any better than Scottie, just different. Scottie is interesting in the same way because he was an absolutely integral part of those dynastic Bulls teams, but he still hides in the shadows of Jordan’s glory. I’m starting to feel like Kobe has a similar legacy unless he gets a chip as his team’s undisputed top dog.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: Yeah man, and Magic I think is a fraud too. I mean, if not for Jabbar, Magic would probably never have won a ring.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Do people really not realize that arguably the second best player during the Jordan Era, especially those last 3 rings, was Scottie Pippen?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    B Long: People don’t realize it because it’s not f*cking true.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Man, don’t go crazy on me guys! Don’t make me side with the Kobe lovers!

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Who was then, Jukai? Shaq? Hakeem? I said arguably. Scottie Pippen is one of the most underrated players of all time.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I take issue with banana rankings. How many chips would Shaq have without Kobe and Wade? How many would have Jordan had without Pippen? Wasn’t Kobe’s trip to the Finals last year—unsuccessful as it was—repudiation of his second bananadom? Who amongst Karl Malone and John Stockton was the second banana? Or were they halves of the same banana split?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, LeBron James has never won a playoff series without Zydrunas Ilgauskas. BANANAS.

  • truthteller

    Russ, I’ve been a fan of yours for a while but I think I just fell in love with you!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Man, I should just page Russ to write rebuttals for me. How much you charge, Russ, I got 75 cents in my account but I’m getting my paycheck soon and there will be like, seven whole dollars after rent!
    B Long: Arguably it’s not true. Scottie Pippen was INSANELY good, but like… Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Drexler? Pippen was ONE of the best players of that era, but I don’t think anyone would call him the second best next to Jordan…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Great point Russ. It seems that people tend to forget when Shaq won his championships he had one of the best guards by his side. It really is ridiculous to act like Kobe’s championships don’t count because he won them with good players. Because the league has a history of people winning championships surrounded by scrubs. Oh wait…..

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    I’m with B. Long, don’t know about second best because Hakeem and Shaq were beasting back then. But Pip is so sooooooo underrated. Always have been. Probably tied with Glove and MJ for best perimeter defender ever for starters. As versatile as they come, great team-player and a winner with a capital W.

  • truthteller

    CoCo, it’s only when people are talking about Kobe that this becomes an issue. It’s never brought up when it’s anybody else like MJ, Shaq, Dwade, etc. It’s just the Kobe haters being kobe haters, that’s all.

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Clyde the Glide is also very underrated.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Jukai, I see your point, but I would still take Pip in his prime over anyone of those dudes in their prime except maybe Clyde. Him and Clyde are about even in my book.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Scottie is definitely underrated and people forget when he absolutely owned the L after Jordan briefly retired… still wouldn’t put him over Malone, Barkley, Hakeem, etc…
    One of my favorite basketball moments is watching Scottie Pippen’s tribute video at his jersey retirement ceremony. Best video ever, it still gives me chills when watching it.

  • rob stewart

    Clyde the Glyde is overated!!! Good guy and teammate probably but not an all-time top 10 guard

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Off course the rings count CO Co, but their is still a big difference about winning them being the superhero or his sidekick, no matter how good the sidekick is and how many times he bails out the hero. Imagine if Portland had won in ’92 Drexler would have gotten a lot more credit for that ring, than he could ever hope to garner from his ring with Hakeem.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I don’t think anyone ever said that Clyde is an all-time top 10 guard. Clyde FRAZIER, maybe. Clyde DREXLER, no. But he’s underrated if anything.

  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    Stick to singing Rob, when you type it’s just not that special.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Clyde was a poor man’s Jordan. And it’s bad to be a poor man’s Jordan when Jordan is actually PLAYING. Still, a poor man’s Jordan is still one of the best two guards in the game (which also says something about Jordan).

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai
  • Lz – Cphfinest 3

    I agree Jukai, sometimes I still wonder how everything would have turned out had Blazers drafted Mike instead of Bowie back in ’84. Seeing as Portland made the Finals in ’90 & ’92, what could that squad have done with Mike in the mix. Off course it’s just speculating as there’s no guarantee that Mike and Drex would have been able to co-exist. Still and interesting thought though.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    A lot of variables says they wouldn’t Lz. That doesn’t make me squeel like a school girl thinking of the possibilities of of Jordan and Drexler playing together.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I just heard something funny I thought I would share: apparently, Jeff Van Gundy called Greg Oden “Benjamin Button” during a game recently. Barkley brought it up in a radio interview. This is the first I heard of it and thought I would share.

  • rob stewart

    LOL. your thinking of rod stewart

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Maybe I wasn’t clear.
    I noted that Shaq only one with a dominant guard. But, he was clearly the man.
    Vincent Thomas did a piece a while back where he outlined franchise guys and the pretenders. I’m going back to that and wondering exactly how we decide who is a “franchise guy.”
    Is it having amazing talent, or is it something else? Do you have to win a championship to solidify your “franchise” status, or is it just granted based on the fact that most people think you could win a ring given the right supporting cast.
    And couldn’t ANY NBA player win a ring given the “right” supporting cast?
    I mean, is there something differnet about people like Hakeem, or Duncan, or Shaq or Jordan who were able to win rings while being hte best on the their teams when you compare them to players like Barkely, Kobe, Iverson, Kidd and, so far, Lebron?
    Is one group of players “true franchise” guys and the other ones not?
    I don’t know, I’m just curious and I think we have missed the debate I was hoping to spark.
    What makes you a franchise guy?

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    *won

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Allenp: In fairness, a lot of people consider Kobe “the man” in the last championship the Lakers won (myself included). Shaq dominated the Finals and deserved the Finals MVP, but generally throughout the playoffs, Kobe played as well if not better than Shaq.

  • donovan

    Ballsy. I like it. It’s definitely the match-up everyone neutral wants to see. It kind of reminds me of 1998 in the NFL when everyone wanted to see the 15-1 Vikings against the (at one point) 13-0, defending champion Broncos. Too bad the Falcons effed it up — I hope Denver or Orlando don’t. Or, hell, maybe Houston. The other thing people may lose sight of is, simply, when was the last time two 65-plus-win teams met in the Finals? I’m thinking off the top of my head here… Seattle in 1996 had 64 wins, so they’re out… I’m not sure it’s ever happened, actually…

  • http://effyou@heythere.com Allenp

    Jukai, good point. Not sure if it’s true, but interesting point of view.
    I believe Shaq was “the man” on that team because he was directly responsible for the success of more players. Not that Kobe didn’t make people successful, he did. But, I’ve always felt like Shaq was the most important cog. But that’s just an opinion.

  • kwame

    y must people always get stupid and make comparison to jordan…its so off base…nobody playing right now is better than jordan…

  • http://www.eric32woodyard.wordpress.com Eric Woodyard

    dope cover!!! I can’t wait to cop 1…I have 2 say that mamba is still the best but bron is a CLOSE second…if they meet in the finals the best will be determined but I’m still riding with no. 24!!

  • http://Slam.com Lane

    LEBRON is the best in the league and will b the best all time once his jumper is good. When that happens he’ll b unstoppable. Kobe is 2 old and the greatest all-time is Kareem Abdul Jabba

  • http://Slam.com Lane

    LEBRON is the best in the league and will b the best all time once his jumper is good. When that happens he’ll b unstoppable. Kobe is 2 old to b the next mj. LEBRON will past MJ by a long shot.

  • http://Slam.com Lane

    jk the best all-time is Wilt Chamberlain but when LEBRON retires he will b the best all-time

  • http://Slam.com Lane

    Kobe will make the hall of fame and Lebron will have his own hall of fame because he will b so good that everyone in the hall of fame will look like bench warmers. I mean his team is 8-0 in the playoofs and have won every game by double digits.

  • http://Slam.com Lane

    LEBRON is like Joe Johnson and Kobe is like Mike Bibby!

  • DJR

    At the moment LeBron is performing better than Kobe, and the Cavs are performing better than the Lakers. Kobe has done before what LeBron is doing now in terms of leading his team in nearly all categories – but he doesn’t have to do that now as he has a better supporting cast. If you compare Jordan’s first 6 seasons to LeBron’s – points is no contest, and that’s even with Jordan missing 80% of his second season. Other categories LeBron is leading, including 3pt shots and %. The only way LeBron will have more points than Jordan at the end of his career is by playing more years and deciding not to retire…twice. BUT THERE IS NO WAY TO DECIDE WHO IS BETTER, THEY PLAYED AT DIFFERENT TIMES, IN DIFFERENT LEAGUES.

  • Double J

    IT’S KOBE VS LEBRON!

  • Double J

    IT’S KOBE VS LEBRON!

  • Rashaan

    why do we always have to compare about who is better? why cant we just acccept that these 2 are @ the top of their games. let us enjoy what these 2 are doing right now. before you know kobe will be gone and we will say we miss kobe. please stop comparing bron 2 mj, he has a long way to go and kobe will never be mike.

  • stokesey

    Cover is rediculously good!!! Niiiiice

  • http://slamonline.com Nw09

    I hate that these two have to be compared all of the time. Kobe is in his prime he was doing the same thing as LeBron in his 20′s but on a championship team and it’s hard to get your numbers when you’re surrounded by a team full of Hall of Famers. Kobe is also still playing great ball on into his latter years.

    This argument would be better if both Kobe and LeBron were 24 or 30 years old. People need to stop comparing Kobe to Mj, he’s not going to be MJ and this is coming from a Kobe fan.

    And people really need to stop compaing LeBron to MJ he hasn’t even reached the prime of his career yet, and we have to see will he be able to substain until his latter years to be even mentioned in the same breath. Also his style of play is NOTHING like Mj even his GM said that.

    Let MJ be, let Kobe be and let LeBron be and let’s just enjoy them.

  • http://slamonline.com Nw09

    And some of you are jumping ahead predicting LeBron’s career you all don’t know if he’ll substain into his latter years playing at this level. Alot of superstars fade especially the one’s with bigger bodies and the one’s coming into the league so early. Also Kobe is all banged up and beat up and still performing well that’s hard to do.

    And for some saying Kobe is too old, Kobe is 30 not 50, MJ didn’t win his first title until he was nearing 30.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Blinguo

    Ra(Y)Mon Sessions article I’m imagining in a mixtape-like artistic format(just play easily off the surname Sessions, “The Ramon Sessions” sorry “underground king” with RawLew), like the Deron Williams was like a Jazz LP format, play on an actual title Giant Steps. I’ve found fault in BET before, but no problem with his #1 spot, although the problem is possibly with Juks is making the list and AllenP said he’s perm. in the idiot corner and sends others to Jukai’s corner (of all caps insane satire backfire breakdowns). So not a surprise AllenP wasn’t mentioned on Jukai’s list. Maybe the China correspond-AlanP gets in that list in his place.

  • truthteller

    Lane,
    Do you realise that the Pistons and the Hawks are garbage? Do you really want to compare the Pistons and Hawks to the Jazz and the Rockets? Calm down man. I understand you’re a Lebron fan but you might want to wipe your mouth from those LeBron cum stains and chill out.

  • truthteller

    Nw09, actually we should be comparing LeBron to MJ (Magic Johnson). LeBron’s game is more Magic than Mike.

  • Jazz Man

    LET’S PUT THIS TO BED….1st Jordan played in a era where everyone on the team including the last man on the bench. I’m a Kobe supporter to the fullest, but Kobe wouldn’t have been given the time to get better in that era let alone Lebron. Mid 80′s-Early 90′s would have eaten Lebron alive because of his non-existant consistant jump shot. Kobe is a better player because he understands the game. If Lebron gets that under his belt he’ll be 1 of the greatest. But taking the G.O.D. title from Jordan will never happen. The era’s are way to different. Back then all skill, now to many position players without knowledge and all around game. Minus a few great players the nba is more of the Neigborhood Basketball Association. And we wonder why the gap is almost gone between us and international players. They practice everything we practice by position. But just like when Jordan(GOD) was playing it wasn’t fair to compare those to the King on the throne, its not fair to put Lebron(Prince James) in comparison to Kobe(King)who is on the throne.

  • Black Mamba

    Compare these 2 to Mike when they have 6 rings/6 final mvps, until then its no contest. Michael Jordan is bar none the best.

  • SWIFT FROM COMPTON

    i’m gonna agree with black mamba, you can’t put kobe or lebron in jordan’s league right now because for one: when jordan got the finals he never lost (kobe 2, lebron 1) and second: kobe has three rings with shaq as the captain, now he has to get his own as the leader (i don’t care if he was the number 2 guy, cause robert horry has 5 rings but no one cares). in my thought i think lebron is gonna get really close but no cigar because when jordan was doing his thing he’s the one that put basketball on the map, so if it’s already on the map all you can do now is show your skills.

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  • Joe_Sixpack

    To Lane: Thank you, you said what I’ve been trying to tell people for the longest. Lebron is playing against inferior competition in a weak conference of course he’s going to look good doing it, if the Cavs were to play the Rockets it would have went to a 7 game series nah the Cavs would have lost, if the cavs had played the Jazz THAT series would have been a 7 game series, so to compare the success that Lebron is having to Kobe’s team it’s a bit unfair because Kobe is facing far better competition where as Lebron is playing against subpar talented teams so there can’t be any comparisons

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    LeBron > your existance

  • BRIAN

    KOBE THE REAL MVP!!!!!!!

  • kwame

    HEEEEEEEEY!!!!
    1. LETS GET A JR SWISH ARTICLE
    2. LETS GET ANOTHER MELO COVER
    3. IS REEBOK DEAD?

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    I’m sick of this whole…LeBron is playing against inferior competition business… he gets to play against EVERY team in a season….and I cant find any stat lines showing that he gets shut down by western conference teams….

  • Peter

    Lebron is a player with tremendous ability, but I honestly do wonder why he is so popular, his game lacks the finese and grace that kobe, mj and wade possess, his jump shot is hideous, he has about 3 different dunks and even they look the same, for these reasons I’ll never be a true lebron james fan but I’ll definitely respect his game.

  • Justin

    kobe better by far than lebron he shoots better and has more finese to his game but lebron is really good

  • h-bomb

    I am a kobe fanatic but I got props for LeBron. He is just an unbelievable specimen. I really hope this match-up goes down in the finals, so that we can find out who makes their team better. Because in reality it will come down to the players around them.

  • h-bomb

    This reminds me of the time when Jordan went against Drexler. At that time they were 1 and 2 but as Bob Costas pot it Drexler was closer to numbers 3,4,5,and 6 than to number 1 as Jordan was. Who will be the next Drexler??????

  • Peter B

    Neither kobe nor lebron are drexler. If they meet in the finals it will be the most high profile finals match up since jordan went up against magic in 91. Two players this talented don’t come along very often, we should appreciate this rivarly, it could be the best since magic and bird.

  • Cornbred

    After watching the Lakers tonight I don’t think we’ll see a Cavs Lakers final. Is it too late to make some Lebron/Denver commercials.

  • Joe_Sixpack

    Kobe is the best though and lebron only has one dunk and a hideous looking jumpshot

  • J.Gamble

    People, i assume, are going to pick the individual they like more. You can’t blame the NBA for being a business all you Kobe lovers. Kobe is older, slower, his knees are rickety and he has been playin with broken fingers and a ton of heart over the past few years. People keep saying Kobe has more talent than LeBron, but when was winning in the NBA ever based on purely talent. Those great Trailblazer teams with Drexler never won, the Suns teams with Barkley and a plethora of stars never won. And The Lakers with four future Hall-of-Famers, allowed ego and a brewing internal battle between Shaq and Kobe, to bring a dynasty to an end, and make Joe Dumars idiotic draft [or non-draft] of Carmelo look like at least a bearable move because the Pistons benefitted from that fairy tale.

    LeBron is the new Golden Boy of the league. It doesn’t benefit the NBA anymore to see Kobe win another chip. Stern would prefer the changing of the guard begin this season, and I’m sure Cleveland will have the unwavering support of the refs, the commisioner, the fans and the league alike. The NBA has always been like this, almost scripted at times. When Gasol is playing like a clueless, empty oak tree and Odom is wandering around like he just smoked five blunts of piff, and noone on the team wants to take a big shot — what do you want Kobe to do, score 81 again ? In the playoffs, they would break both of Kobe’s legs before he was allowed to score 81, same for Jordan. Each player has to be appreciated in his own time frame and era. I am one of the few people who belive that Kobe’s legacy may be fulfilled already — three chips, in the league at 17, greatest combo scorer-defender since Jordan and a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer. Not a bad resume. Hey, the game has changed since Mike dominated and teh league has more parity. Maybe Kobe has acheived as much as he was going to under the circumstances. Let’s appreciate him for what he has meant to the game. I never even liked Kobe teh first 10 years of his career , but I was one of those people dumb enuff to believe that Shaq WAS THE GOOD GUY AND kOBE WAS THE BAD GUY. No, Kobe was the young guy. He was also cokcy liek Shaq and he knew he was just as good. It took him a while to understand the POLITICS of the NBA and defer to Shaq. It isn’t an obvious deferring such as in a game, let Shaq take the winning shot. It was a media and fan thing, where Kobe had to exhibit some type of obvious acceptance and express understanding that Shaq was the man. Deep down I am sure tha Kobe feels like Shaq qouldn’t have won those itles without him.

    When peopl ekeep saying Shaq won A TITLE without Kobe and Kobe never won without Shaq, answer me this question. Who are the top three players in the NBA ? Kobe, Bron and Wade, right ? Well, if Tim Duncan went to the Lakers after Shaq left what would have become of the Lakers ? Probably three more chips,. right..Shaq went from playing with the best guard A in the game to playing with the best guard B in the game..not much changed for Shaq he went from Kobe-Wade. Kobe went from Shaq to ????????????????? These debates are just what they are and that’s why we love them..but in you rown mind Kobe needs to win a title to i guess be considered “as good as Jordan”. He’s already proved his worth as one of the top 10 players all -time. And the boy can shoot freethrows, which is crucial to the game.

    check my story on phife dawg page 36 this issue…..peace

  • BOOSH

    Has anyone commented on how that cover is just like one of those faces/vase optical illusions?
    “I see a vase!” “I see two faces!” “Your both right!”

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Rohrschach test?

  • TERENCE ANG

    If Lebron wins at least 5 rings then he might be better than MJ. If not forget all those triple doubles etc. Championships will only determine if Lebron or any other player is better than Jordan PERIOD. And they should at least wear those SWOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • LeBron James

    I am wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy better than Ko-Brick.

  • Xbot

    LOL Kobe FTW !!!!!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    LeBron surpasses Kobe as the top player: Jerry West

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, surpassing veteran Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, 14-times All-Star guard Jerry West said Monday.

    West, a shrewd judge of talent who brought Bryant to the Lakers when he was their general manager, said the Cleveland forward could become the league’s next Michael Jordan.

  • Amin Ash

    Whoo….it took me 2 minutes just to scroll down to end of the page. I have to go with Kobe as the best player at the moment. But, King James have the POTENTIAL to be better than Kobe in the near future. So, just relax and watch these 2 superstars duke it out on the biggest stage of ‘em all..the FINAL!! Nice cover though.

  • Amin Ash

    …the GREAT DEBATE indeed…

  • Jay Williams

    Probably the the cover i’ve seen since AI’s “Soul On Ice”……

  • doMz

    no one can still match MJ23. no one has ever matched his skills and achievements.

  • edilvia
  • http://myspace.com/edilvia_da_best edilvia

    Straight off the Magazine
    “Until Kobe Hangs ‘em up, ain’t nobody who can mess with him.” – Quentin Richardson
    Nuff said.

  • EAW

    UHH LET’S SEE NOW…..
    KOBE…81 + 3 Rings
    LeBron.Throws some ‘mean’ chalk in the air
    and takes ‘awsome’ fake pre game photos
    with his “team”
    Hmmmm..It’s a toughy but I’ll just have to go with #24 KOBE BRYANT period.

  • osshajia

    I didn’t understand what rip had said!I am a chinese, but I like SLAM very much!Keep on doing!
    You are the best!

  • osshajia

    And I think Lebron is the best player in NBA!He is my example!

  • Smallrob

    Lets sub in Dwight For Lebron because I believe in Magic

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  • Amanda

    Slam- it says I cancelled my subscription? No way would I do that. Im still waiting to get this new maggie- please get back at me

  • DenaBoy

    Kobe’s better

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    500 Even.

  • http://www.slabup.com Big Duke

    Cleveland LEts Get it !!!! LBJ ALL THE WAY

  • Don

    grown men sucking up to two men who don’t even know them.

  • Alan

    Now I know that it takes 17 days for the mag to arrive to Europe… not bad. Great number, BTW, taking that slamonline question about Kobe and LBJ was a good idea

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Yes I am very nervous!

  • http://gmail.com KB24

    This cover is hella sick… kobe is way better. on TV lebron is a better player… but kobe does the little things that only a true basketball fan will notice. Kobe is the best…ever

  • INDONESIA

    should’ve been kobe and dwight, adidas vs nike…bad bad call on this one, slam.

    kobe is post prime already these days, he’s spending his prime (2k4-2k7) playing with players like smush parker, luke walton, and kwame brown as starters, he only got 5-6 years left before he retires, fortunately, he got the right support this time.

    meanwhile, lebron still got 10-12 years to chase kobe in the rings departement.

  • Helmut Hohenegger

    I am still waiting for issue 129. Hopefully it will arrive at my mailbox next week…

  • Ever G23

    Great cover, it’s just a shame that it’s not going to be LBJ and KB in the finals..oh well. But other then that, this ish was tight! can i just ask for something? Can you guys hook up some of the underrated players with a cover or a spread!? Thnx

  • KB24SD

    It’s funny but this past decade first the debate was Allen Iverson vs. Kobe. Iverson lovers would always come to his defense saying “Man if AI had a better team around or if he played with Shaq he would have 3 rings now”. Then next up was the debate of Kobe vs. TMac for a few years when TMac was actually healthy and was leading the league in scoring while playing for Orlando. TMac lovers would cop the same EXCUSE like above “Man if TMac had better player around him he would be better than Kobe” would be used by TMac lovers. Flip towards today and the same excuses are being made for Lebron by his lovers and Cavs fans. When Lebron & the Cavs got swept in the 2007, last year when he lost game 7 to Boston and this year when he lost to the Magic all of the Lebron & Cavs say the same EXCUSE. “Man if Lebron had a better team around him”. Yet people still try and debate that he is best player in the game saying that “Oh well Lebron makes everyone around him better, not like Kobe”. Bottom line is this when the game is on the line and you need a basket to win the game players, coaches, and GM’s will always go with Kobe instead of the Lebron. A good example was last summer in the Olympics when the gold medal game was close in the 2nd half NBC had Coach K miced up on the sideline and while during the huddle he went to Kobe and said “It’s your time now, do what you do best, take over and close this out for us”.

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  • ged23airkg5

    absloutely amazing cover, can t wait to have ish 129 in my possession, call yourself true basketball fans all these arguments are totally incidential without beating around the bush black mamba + king james are both incredible players e g hatas dont get anywhere: real nba fans don’t nitpick peace im out ged 5

  • Bruno, RJ

    hahahahahahahahhahahahahahha @Ryan Jones Posted: May.11 at 2:20 pm

    *PATHETIC.

  • Bruno, RJ

    you guys can hate all you want, but, basketball-wise… you can’t compare a true basketball star and an UFC fighter…
    the Kobe x Kobe cover is way more realistic.
    BTW: 4th… almost filling 1 hand.

  • The Game 79

    I guess Lebron and Kobe are one of a kind ballers, try to compare them is unfair lebron is like a Karl Malone but with more movility and he is a more agil guy, and kobe always will be on the shadow of MJ there is no doubt about it. great players though.

  • Big Kobe Fan

    Kobe’s far better than LeBron. Kobe is one hell of a cluch player hitting shots when he needs to were LeBron has only made one game winner and that was this year, plus Kobe has 4 championships were LeBron has none, plus Kobe has a life times worth of experence were LeBron has only a few years worth these are the three things that make Kobe better.!!!GO!THE!LAKERS!!!

  • Kelly Tucker

    Where can I purchase Slam issues #s 129 & 131.
    I tried several Walgreens. Which stores sell SLAM magazines in Bloomington, Minnesota?

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  • http://Slam Jasmine

    This is big Lebron vs Kobe. I think Lebron hit me up with that issue slam please.What do you guys think Kobe or Lebron?

  • http://Slam Jasmine

    Slam best basketball magazine honestly. Want that issue badly.

  • http://Slam Jasmine

    Umm Slam Magazine when does this end cause i really want that magazine.

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