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SLAM 130: On Sale Now!

This time we picked the right #23.

by Tzvi Twersky

About eight Fridays ago, an editorial meeting took place at the SLAM Dome. The task at hand: creating a “50 Greatest Players of All-Time” list. Yeah, we’ve done it before, in both SLAM 19 and a special “Top 75” issue that came out in 2003, but a lot has changed since then. A whole generation of ball players—SLAM’s generation of players, really—has played enough seasons and collected enough stats to now be included in the “Top 50” convo. Da Kid, The Answer, Black Mamba—the list goes on. So when the opportunity to remix and remaster our lists of old arose, we just couldn’t resist the temptation.

Creating the concept was pretty easy, agreeing on the 50 was not. One Thursday afternoon, we sat around a conference room table for hours, poring over stats, ratios and all kinds of graphs. But, at the same time, we tried our best not to turn NBA greats into heaps of digits and equations. At day’s end, throats sore from arguing players’ cases, I think we managed to keep our respective perspectives while whittling the list down to 50. Now I don’t think everyone will be happy. Some Hall of Famers were left out, and some players on the list may surprise you (Dennis is my only hint). But at the least, this list is damn well thought out—and no one was omitted by accident. Thanks to Ben, Lang, Susan, Ryne, Khalid, Russ, Konate, Matt and others, the list was finalized, and the result is this cover and accompanying feature included in the issue, which boasts well-written pieces on all 50 players. It should serve as the perfect basketball edutainment, served up at the perfect time: the NBA Finals, when the greats solidify their legacies like Mike did six memorable times.

If you read SLAM (and why would you be here if you didn’t?) then you know that the cover choice was obvious. Mike is to modern basketball what Jack Dorsey is to the Twitter. That is, he created it as it exists today. Michael Jordan is basketball. Period.

Now MJ has been out of the game for a while already—has it been six years, and 11 since his last year as a Bull?!?—but his impact hasn’t lessened. The difference between him and most—who are forgotten by the next TV-timeout—is like the difference between a masterpiece and a solid work of art: One piece, the decent piece, is respected and valued while it “plays,” but its value and peoples’ familiarity with it fades, decreasing incrementally over time. The other work of art, the masterpiece, it has all eyes in the room on it while it “plays,” and shows timeless resiliency afterward, increasing in beauty, value and fame long after the artist is gone. Jordan is that masterpiece—oh, and surprise, surprise, he’s our No. 1. Who filled out the rest of the list? Well you have to read the ish and find out. Folks in the Big Apple, you should see it by Friday. Rest of the country and subscribers, next week. We’re a little early but you all know we like to get the buzz going. Plus, this place will be in serious Finals mode by Thursday so we figured we’d start the MJ hype early.

Between bouts of bickerin’ in the Dome over the “Top 50,” we still managed to find time to give paper nods in this issue to the streets (Booger Smith), the latest news (Jeremy Tyler), the Draft (Jordan Hill) and the NBA Playoffs (Ben Gordon). Between all that and more, Issue 130 should have something for everyone.

SLAM 130

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  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Andrew, for subscription questions email slam(@)palmcoastd.com ….Didn’t write it normal way as to avoid spammers.

  • http://www.supremenewyork.com Waylonakolipse

    How about making a top 50 “Most Entertaining Ball Players To Watch” list? My top 50,that I’ve seen in person, would be 1.MJ 2.BARKLEY 3.RODMAN 4.MANUTE BOL 5.VINCE CARTER(pre 2002) 6.MAGIC 7.VINNIE JOHNSON 8.DOMINIQUE WILKINS 9.GHEORGE MURESAN 10.D-WADE 11.SHAWN KEMP 12.(tie)HARDAWAY GSW(pre ’93) and HARDAWAY ORL(pre ’97) 14.CALDWELL JONES 15.HAKEEM OLAJUWON 16.BARON DAVIS(’07 playoffs) 17.GRANT HILL(pre 2000) 18.MOOCHIE NORRIS 19.DARVIN HAM 20.BILL LAIMBEER 21.KURT RAMBIS 22.BIRDMAN 23.LEBRON 24.KEVIN JOHNSON 24.DRAZEN PETROVIC 25.JOHN STARKS 26.RASHEED WALLACE(in POR) 27.LARRY BIRD 28.IVERSON 29.PIPPIN 30.JASON WILLIAMS(in SAC) 31.GARY PAYTON(in SEA) 32.KOBE(should be higher but I hate him) 33.ALONZO MOURNING 34.LARRY JOHNSON(pre ’95) 35.MANU GINOBILI 36.MONTA ELLIS 37.DAVID WOOD 38.PAUL MILSAP 39.RON ARTEST 40.KEITH JENNINGS 41.PATRICK EWING 42.RICHARD DUMAS(’93 PHX) 43.ANTHONY MASON 44.DAVID ROBINSON(pre Hakeem dunk) 45.MUGSY BOGUES 46.VERNON MAXWELL 47.KEVIN DURANT 48.CLIFF ROBINSON 49.BEN WALLACE(pre ’05) 50.LEROY SMITH THE ULTIMATE MASTIVATOR!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://myspace.com ryan matias

    whats the poster?

  • Ben S

    How did Iverson end up 39th on your list? You have mostly unathletic guys from the 60′s above him. Until a few years ago he was being called the best player in the league. So how you have Kobe at 12th and Iverson at 39th not to mention Jason Kidd and Kevin Garnett ahead of him blows my mind. Considering a couple years ago you wrote an article saying Nash was better then kid but then putting Kidd way higher then Nash things do not add up. I would think you would give more love to AI you didn’t mention all the games he played injured instead you thought it was more fitting to mention his “Career defining interview”. Considering what type of double teams and abuse he took from players fans and media and being one of the most popular players ever he would be at least in the top 20

  • BIG Z

    i only meant that cp3 was a better than AI iverson is easily one of the top 15!! players of all time THE MOST DECADENT CAREER OF ANY PLAYER EVER!!!!

  • BIG Z

    a better
    POINT GUARD THAN AI

  • DG

    still havent got mine in the box cant wait tho

  • jason

    AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! WHEN WILL I GET MY MAG!! I have subscribed for 2 months and I still don’t get anything.. this isn’t fair.. I feel like I’ve been scammed

  • Pardeep

    The list came out? IVERSONS 39th. WOW!. Slam blew it on this one.

  • Pardeep

    Blew it Slam. Wow. First you put him 18th on the list top 50 at the start of the year before he got traded. NOW you put him 39th all time. Somebodys got a nasty trash talk letter coming. WOW. Youd think someone who has 12 covers would get some more respect. Im disgusted.

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  • Aaron

    Magic 6th?!?!?!?!

  • Aaron

    Bird 9th!?!?!?!?!

  • Aaron

    Shaq 4th!?!?!?!

  • Paul M. Castillo

    Has this mag even been released

  • ?

    PLEASE PLAY NYC STREETBALL THIS SUMMER BOOGER THE GAME MISSES YOU

  • Tom Calarco

    Bird was a skilled shooter with good teammates, and that’s about it? … Ha-Ha. Guess you never saw Bird play.

    Probably along with Magic and Bob Cousy, the greatest passer to ever play the game. He made passes that were more unbelievable than any of the Dr’s dunks or MJ’s acrobatic moves. And he had an uncanny instinct for the game. Remember that last second steal of the inbounds by Isaiah to beat the Pistons in the playoffs. In a matter of seconds he stole the ball, turned and found the cutter, Dennis Johnson, for a layup as the buzzer sounded.

  • OB-30

    Good work son

  • UKBLU8

    I just got my ish today…list looks pretty good but theres a HUUUGGGEE MISTAKE… I dnt know if its a misprint or what but the EDs left one of the top 10 greats off the list… “Pistol Pete” Maravich?????!!! u may have heard of him…considering there was no 3 pt line for one of the greatest shooters to have ever stepped on the hardwood during his time and nobody will come close to sniffin his NCAA scoring mark without averaging 40+ ppg for their career…oh and he did it n only 3 yrs at LSU…3600+ pts, 44+ppg avg in college… 5 time NBA All Star, 2 time All NBA 1st team24+ppg career in the L…made the NBA top 50 in 96 when it was released…Hornets and Jazz retired his number…he was one of the NBA’s original showmen and brought entertainment to the L while putting butts in seats.. if it werent for alcoholism which ultimately probably killed him at age 40 as he died of a heartattack…fittingly playing a game of pickup basketball, the Pistol would be josteling around with Wilt, Bill, and Shaq amongst the top of this list…

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Very disappointing issue, I was hoping it would have a 50 Cent feature.

  • nick

    Just got 130 and gotta say the cover is sweet. But your top 50 is not cool at all. I respect Tim Duncan for being a consistent player the past dozen years, but if he is the 8th greatest player of all time, Sylvester Stalone is the greatest actor of all time. To put Tim “The Machine” Duncan above The Black Mamba is embarassing and hurts my feelings. The only thing Duncan has more of is ONE more championship and ONE more crying to the ref face than Kobe. Honestly, Kevin Garnett has been a more influential player and has won a championship as well. He should have been in the top 20. The only things you got right in the top 5 were Jordan at 1 and Wilt at 2. Shaq would EAT Bill Russell and Bird and Magic must be top 5. Kobe is top 10 and could be top 5 in the next 5 years. So next time you make a top 50, give me a call.

  • BIG Z

    pistol pete is not one of the greatest 50 NBA players of all time. since ’96 there has been kobe, duncan, garnett,lebron, j kidd, nash, d wade and dirk. maybe pistol pete is the greatest college player off all time he was a GREAT nba player

  • BIG Z

    BUT TOP 50

  • BIG Z

    would anyone agree that 61- 62 season was incredible. wilt averaged 50 & 22 big O avg. 31 12 &11 baylor avg. 38 & 16 rookie walt bellamy avg. 31 & 19 and the mvp was bill russell ( 18.9 23.6)

  • BIG Z

    ALLEN IVERSON RULES!!!!!!!!!!

  • BIG Z

    ALLEN IVERSON RULES!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mark Przybylkiewicz

    Cant wait to read this in like 6 months when it comes out here in Australia. Also seeing as he dont play no more and still gets covers. Put My fave player Mailman on the cover

  • Mark Przybylkiewicz

    you put MJ as number 1 fair enough but i dont agree. Kareem Abdul Jabbar is GOAT 6 championships 6 MVPs and all time leading scorer with that awesome sky hook how can you go wrong. MJ only had 5 MVPs

  • J.J. Shah

    LeBron #42?????? you guys got Duncan at 8! LeBron is a single digit anyday. Lemme break it down.

    Shooting- LeBron is nailing down the jump shot now, and can shoot long range. He can make insane lay ups, and if he doesn’t he can swish 3 or pull up for a little short range jumper. Duncan is not bad, but can’t hit a shot from downtown, that shot in the playoffs was a lucky shot. he has a little short range shot that he rarly takes, inside he can score.
    OVERALL-KING JAMES BEATS DUNCAN

    Defence- King James is getting better every year. he can guard guards or forwards, hell he can even play center. LeBron can block shots, steal the ball, and pick off passes. Duncan is a wild beast down low, he can stuff and pick off passes. he cannot get out of the paint though, guards are to fast.
    OVERALL-TIED,BECAUSE LEBRON IS GOOD EVERY WHERE AND DUNCAN IS AMAZING IN THE PAINT.

    Passing- LeBron averages like 6-7 assists per game he is a dominent force because if his opponents have to stop they have to double or triple team him. that just gives shot for his teammates. Duncan, passing just isn’t his thing.
    OVERALL- OBVIOUSLY THE KING

    Championships, MVPS, etc.- LeBron got an MVP up his sleve and will get a lot more. He is aiming for a championship. Duncan got everything, but will not get another ring, or MVP.
    OVERALL-DUNCAN WINS THIS MATCH EASILY.

    I respect Duncan being ranked high, but he should be about 10 or 11 and King James should be 8 or 9.
    He should be 8 or 9 because he is compared to Kobe and some people think he is better than Kobe. there should not be a 30 rank difference between them.

  • J.J. Shah

    Where is CP3 and D-WADE?????????

  • Pardeep

    Yall blew it with A.I.

  • luke

    Agreed with Jukai on a majority of his points..until he made the schoolboy error and spelt Dwayne instead of Dwyane..thought you were supposed to be an avid nba fan dude?Come on..

  • Frank

    Kobe is the best palyer i’ve ever seen(i didn’t Jordan play at all so i can’t comment on him) and it’s unfair to kobe to compair him to Jordan. I mean why are we comparing him to the GOAT when he just wan’t to be Kobe and only be recongized for his accoplihsments. He didn’t say oh look at me i’m the next jordan. He stated many times that he didn’t want to be compared to Jordan. Just give him credit for what he accoplished in his career so far. he still has about 6 more good years left in him. When his career is done then you could start comparing.

  • ADM

    SLAM came up with a top 75 list about 5 years ago, here are the top 20 from that list:

    1.Michael Jordan
    2.Wilt Chamberlain
    3.Oscar Robertson
    4.Bill Russell
    5.Magic Johnson
    6.Larry Bird
    7.Kareem-Abdul Jabbar
    8.Jerry West
    9.Shaquille O’Neal
    10.Julius Erving
    11.Elgin Baylor
    12. Hakeem Olajuwon
    13.Karl Malone
    14.Bob Petitt
    15.John Havlicek
    16.Moses Malone
    17.Isiah Thomas
    18.John Stockton
    19.Charles Barkley
    20.Walt Frazier

    Now their revised top 20 (out of 50) are:

    1) Michael Jordan
    2) Wilt Chamberlain
    3) Bill Russell
    4) Shaquille O’Neal
    5) Oscar Robertson
    6) Magic Johnson
    7) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    8) Tim Duncan
    9) Larry Bird
    10) Jerry West
    11) Elgin Baylor
    12) Kobe Bryant
    13) Hakeem Olajuwon
    14) Bob Pettit
    15) Julius Erving
    16) Moses Malone
    17) John Havlicek
    18) Karl Malone
    19) Isiah Thomas
    20) Charles Barkley

    How does Oscar Robertson rank ABOVE Bill Russell five years ago, and now ranks BELOW Bill Russell? Have either of these two played an NBA game within the past five years that would reverse their rankings?

    Kareem now ranks ABOVE Larry Bird, but 5 years ago, he was BELOW Larry Bird…again, netiher guy has played an NBA game in nearly 20 years.

    Elgin Baylor is now better than Julius Erving, but that wasn’t the case five years ago…why not?

    This is why magazines like this are a joke. There are other switches among non-active players as well. I can see if they want to move an active player up or down the list, but why should the relative positions of long-retired players be reversed?

    I obviously will have no beef with the players that are selected, picking the top 50 or 75 doesn’t require much in the way of brains… but why switch the positions (relative to each other) of long-retired players?

  • larrylegend

    Dear SLAM,
    R U KIDDING ME/US!?!?!?!?
    today slam #130 arrived at my house, in europe. sure, 1st thing to read was your new TOP50 list, i saved this as long as i got the issue in my own hands. 1st, you put mchale on 26., and left out the chief and dennis johnson? what the F? ok, different perspectives, i can get over it, although both belong in the top 50. but 2 things i couldn’t get over: kareem 20 seasons, the most ever by a player???? what r u smoking? kareem 20seasons, 1560 games, parish 21seasons, 1611games. what is more?
    second, barkley has 2 (two) gold medals, 1992/1996! not one as written…
    sorry, but i had to say this, AND i want an answer.
    loyal reader since SLAM #1

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  • andrew

    dunkan better than kobe?
    shaq better than magic and bird?
    garnett?
    iverson?

  • Aaron j.

    Allen Iverson is a monster on the court….
    Ya’ll can’t tell me he didn’t accomplish:
    Getting rookie of the year,
    Getting rookie of year for the all- star game,
    NBA MVP 01′,
    2x NBA All-Star Game MVP,
    4x NBA Scoring Champion,
    too many all-star appearance,
    Sold alot of shoes for Reebok must i say
    has a life-time contract with them also,
    and has sold too many mags for “SLAM” lol dont believe me ask Slam!

  • Aaron j.

    Must i go on…. Slam keep listing A.I. you guys have a great chemistry togther and people love the covers. By the way the this ISH#130 cover. keep it up. I’m a big fan.

  • Helmut Hohenegger

    I have once again not received mine…hope it will arrive this week!

  • JL

    What happen to Pistol Pete? He can easily take out Kidd or Nash on the list.

  • Mike

    I saw the top 50 players article. Omitting Pistol Pete Maravich from that list is a joke.
    He’s definitely better than Jason Kidd and a few others on that list!

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  • Abdul

    WDFFFFFF
    GARBAGE LIST
    WELL I WOULDT CARE

  • Abdul

    YOU GUYS FORGET
    WADEEEEEEEEEEE
    HES THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE OR AMONGST KOB’ LIKE REAL TALK DID YOU FORGET HIS CAREER?
    ITS JUST AS GOOD AS LEBRON OR BETTER
    HE SHULD BE #1 AND WHEN BOSH COMES DOWN TO MIAMI IF THEY HAVE THE ROOM NEXT SUMMER

    3 RINGS
    2 MORE FINALS MVP
    1 MVP 2 MAX.
    1 DPOY (NEXT YEAR)

    AND THEN HE’S TOP 10 MATERIAL
    1 SLAM MAGAZINE

  • DG

    just one complaint….wheres james worthy??

  • freezin

    you guys missed out big….WHERES SHAWN BRADLEY!!?!??!

  • george

    Sorry for all the above guys but u r talking about iverson,wade and etc.
    Where is PIPPEN?second only to MJ.
    Learn nba history pls and then come and comment..

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  • http://www.onitsukatigermexico66.us onitsuka tiger

    michael jordan should be the best one in the basketball world, at any time and where i think. Hope every fan support my idea. many thanks

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