Tuesday, June 1st, 2010 at 12:44 pm  |  22 responses

21 Questions with San Dova: “FINAL(S) Round…Fight!!!”

Plus, some pondering on the 2010 NBA Draft.

by Sandy Dover / @SandmanSeven

If it was good enough for 50 Cent and Nate Dogg, I’m pretty sure it’s exceptionally sufficient for SLAMonline. Regardless of music, 21 Questions with San Dova is taking the task of asking those nebulous questions that seem to revolve around the force of gravity we know to be the NBA. Check for the preguntas at the top of every month or so.

Kobe Bryant sketch. 1) If Kobe Bryant wins a fifth NBA championship with the Los Angeles Lakers, will he finally be removed from the cast shadow of Michael Jordan? Will he instead be known as the greatest Laker in NBA history?

2) If swingman Paul Pierce wins a second championship with the Boston Celtics, will that legitimize his tenure as an all-time great among the Celts, or will he be just a really, really, really good player (by reputation)?

3) Who thinks that Shaquille O’Neal will kiss some butt and make a plea to join the Lakers next season as a reserve player?

4) Power forward Pau Gasol as a possible two-time NBA champion: potential international Hall of Famer or legit NBA Hall of Famer?

5) Even though he’s an elite center in the league, will Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard ever commit to develop a full-fledged unstoppable low-post move, that doesn’t need to be assisted (i.e. Hakeem Olajuwon’s “Dream Shake”, Tim Duncan’s bank shot, Patrick Ewing’s fadeaway jump shot) after failing to make good on a second Finals appearance?

6) Wouldn’t LeBron James be a great fit for the Lakers as a facilitating offensive threat at point guard (after all, Scottie Pippen played the point for head coach Phil Jackson, allegedly at 6-9, according to Doug Collins)? (Sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum, Jordan Farmar and picks, perhaps?–it’s obvious to me that King James is probably best as an option 1A next to Kobe.)

7) Obviously the Phoenix Suns have found their core in the team’s makeup…does their success in 2010 make null former coach Mike D’Antoni’s former six-man rotations? Shouldn’t current Suns head coach Alvin Gentry get more credit for making great use of the players he was given and improving the “Seven Seconds Or Less” philosophy?

8 ) And even though Suns power forward Amar’e Stoudemire showed that he is at the top of his game, does he really merit a maximum contract for the next six years, especially seeing that he still hasn’t made a firm commitment to playing even commendable defense?

9) Isn’t Suns guard Steve Nash the man? Shouldn’t more coaches tailor their systems more appropriately to the strengths of their star point guards, like Nash has had happen with D’Antoni and Gentry?

10) Phoenix fans: Shouldn’t you be putting pressure on owner Robert Sarver to wisely invest in the team, after he foolishly gave away draft picks that would’ve upgraded the team for cheap (Rudy Fernandez, Nate Robinson, Rajon Rondo)?

11) As fellow SLAM contributor Michael Tillery has talked about via Twitter, are Steve Nash’s two MVPs compared to Kobe’s lone award egregious in the context of the talent of the players (Kobe’s clearly the superior player), or are Nash’s MVPs more respectable in the context of the elite ’05 and ’06 Suns teams that he led and Kobe having historically excellent individual seasons on middling Lakers teams?

12) Doesn’t it seem like destiny that Lakers swingman Lamar Odom could win another championship in Los Angeles, being that he was anointed “the next Magic” while in high school, college and with the Clippers by scouts, fans and Pat Riley?

Ray Allen

Draft time…

13) DeMarcus Cousins: Zach Randolph/Derrick Coleman or a Moses Malone clone?

14) Why didn’t Oklahoma sophomore guard Willie Warren sell high after his freshman season, when he could’ve been a top-five selection in the 2009 NBA Draft?

15) Had Nevada sophomore forward Luke Babbitt stayed with his commitment and played at Ohio State, would he be an even hotter commodity as a prospect?

16) Considering Georgia Tech forward/center Derrick Favors literally favoring the player profile of Dwight Howard at 18 years old, should Kentucky point guard John Wall really be the lock as the No.1 overall pick?

17) If you were an NBA GM, would you draft Oklahoma freshman forward/center Keith Gallon–the most unpredictable (and currently overweight) talent in the Draft?

18) Despite Georgetown sophomore power forward/center Greg Monroe’s obvious talent and abilities, why does it seem that the university will never install another truly elite big man into its Hall of Fame triumvirate of Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Mutombo and Alonzo Mourning?

19) Aren’t the first round guarantees that Kentucky freshmen Eric Bledsoe and Daniel Orton have received from scouts sort of proof that it’s not what you know, but who you know?

20) Even though being older than 21 years of age seems to lower a player’s stock, why doesn’t anyone seem to remember that Mutombo was 25 when he was drafted by the Denver Nuggets as the fifth pick in 1991 (and became a future Hall of Famer)?

21) Who are going to be the next gems that the Oklahoma City Thunder pick up this year?

An extra special thanks to illustrator/cartoonist/writer Michael Cho for the featured illustrations for this month’s “21 Questions”. You can view more of his fantastic work at ChoDrawings.blogspot.com and also on Twitter @Michael_Cho, where he muses consistently about the direction of fine arts and the successes and failures of his hometown team, the Toronto Raptors.

Sandy Dover is a novelist/writer, artist and fitness enthusiast, as well as an unyielding Prince fan (for real). You can find Sandy frequently here at SLAMonline, as well as at Facebook, Associated Content and Twitter.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Ugh. Compare Kobe to Bron two weeks after one is bounced out of the playoffs and the man says “Let it go.” Even though its an ongoing debate. A debate that has long since been settled is that Kobe is better than Steve Nash, who probably didnt deserve two MVPs. But almost five years later the man wont let it go. Leaves one to wonder about the mans motivations.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    It’s crazy to think that Steve Nash has as many MVP awards as Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal combined.

  • T-Money

    What happens if Kobe loses though? It’s only fair that his legacy be somewhat tarnished by only batting .571 in the Finals (compared to Mike’s perfect record) and getting beat twice by the exact same team. Bron caught mad heat for getting punked by the Celts, ditto with Dwight… it’s only right that Kobe catches it too, no? If he wins though, he’s on equal footing with Magic as greatest Laker of all-time. On the other hand, there is absolutely no discussion that Paul would be one of the all-time greats for the Celts with two rings because he has been there through thick and (very) thin. / Pau doesn’t have a hall of fame career or numbers in my eyes. I mean, we saw him as a #1 option and he was no KG.

  • daynja!

    didn’t the suns draft deng also????

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    OKC has a legit chance at picking up some gems. Especially in: Damion James, Luke Babbitt, Lance Stephenson. They might even take chances on Solomon Alabi, Stanley Robinson, Jordan Crawford, or Derrick Caracter.

  • hoodsnake

    ^^^Derrick Caracter?Didnt a basketball mag put him in their pages when he was a seventh grader?

  • Cool Dude

    The Lakers don’t need/want LBJ. The drama would be at least as bad as Kobe/Shaq circa 04.

  • http://Thestartingfive.net Michael Tillery

    The man’s motivations are history Myles Brown and the very astute opinions of basketball historians I speak with on a regular basis based here in Philly. Much respected folk. You can have your opinion and fight your own fight but my readers, my children and my conscious will most definitely write what I feel is right.

    You cannot separate the two MVP’s from Nash. That’s absurd but when you factor in the MVP awards and compare him to history, he shrivels up.

    Kobe stepping out on his wife had a hand in this but here are my thoughts posted on TSF earlier:

    OK “Kwami” you get one reply.

    He’s the only MVP to not make a Finals and the only two time winner to not win a championship. He plays in a league with the best player since Michael Jordan and has more MVP trophies? Kobe Bryant averages 35, 5 and 5 the year he averages 15 and 12 and Nash wins the award? Shaq goes to Miami, wins a championship the year Nash again loses in the Conference Finals and nothing for Shaq (23, 10, 2 blocks) but Nash wins his second MVP averaging 18 and 10?

    How can this be?

    The two worse statistical years ever for a MVP winner.

    Where are Jason Kidd’s MVP trophies for the two years his teams came out of the Eastern Conference or Gary Payton’s for the years his teams came out of the West?

    Both of those players played a well rounded game, yet they weren’t lauded. How many all defensive teams do they have combined? How many assists, rebounds, triple doubles?

    Gary Payton was a very underrated shooter and a player so deft on defense he guarded Michael Jordan?

    What has Nash done? What has he won? Where are his memorable playoff performances? Where are his clutch wins?

    Where is his defense?

    When a player wins one MVP…let alone two…it states he is over and beyond the best player in the league that season. No dice with Nash. There were so many players having comparable and much better seasons yet he still pulls off two?

    Nash was never a better nor a more valuable basketball player than Kobe Bryant any day in his life yet he’s more decorated with individual awards by a media who says it’s all about team?

    Saturday night I give you exhibit A regarding who the true NBA MVP is every year. I don’t care who wins what, the one thing we all know is that a Kobe Bryant led team will be in the Finals.

    I’m a Sixers fan. Why would I defend a Los Angeles Lakers player if this was about blind hatred?

    Get past race and check the facts on the table.

    The 50/40/90 stat thrown around to validate his career is also a bogus stat template.

    Ray Allen has been close to this stat (under for shooting percentage) for his career and also has put the ball up 6,000 more times.

    SIX THOUSAND.

    Oh by the way, he has a title and is going for his second. Where are his MVP trophies? He’s been a great player in this league until he joined a team atmosphere in Boston.

    Nash plays in a system built for the regular season. This in a league that changed the defensive rules so point guards could assume ownership of the lane and throw lobs?

    Interesting…

    The Suns system is fun and gun and has great entertainment value for those who have short attention spans but there will not be a championship won without a semblance of defense.

    He has limited skills despite being a great shooter and passer (the misnomer is Nash is not athletic when fact he’s very athletic). Isiah Thomas (no MVP trophies) could take over a game. So could Allen Iverson (won 1 MVP) and Nate Archibald (no MVP’s). I bring up these players because of their comparable height. Seems like Nash is lauded for his toughness but that does not an MVP make. There are names he will never surpass in basketball lore yet he has more individual awards than most of them? Please.

    Mark Price and John Stockton would murder Steve Nash on the basketball court. Where are their MVP’s? Check what they did over the course of their careers.

    Why is he the third MVP at the point guard position and why did the voters all of the sudden consider point guards for the award? What about Jason Kidd’s 105 triple doubles?

    Gary Payton is the only pg to win a Defensive Player of the Year award and is probably regarded as the best all around player at the position which includes Magic Johnson, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.

    He was a nine time all defensive first team player. A record he shares with Michael Jordan.

    Who are the aforementioned players compared to and who is Nash compared to during the season? Why is he given credit for his limitations?

    Seems Nash would rather kick around a soccer ball than play both sides on a basketball court. Why is his defense not mentioned with all the slobber applied to his lack of winning anything substantive?

    Great player for his era but he has done nothing to merit Hall of Fame status outside of two awards that validate voters pandering to a demography looking for a hero.

  • T-Money

    Case. Closed. (slow clap)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    Doc Rivers has two Coach of the Year awards. Phil Jackson has one. Jerry Sloan has none. They’ve been validated by history nonetheless. It didn’t take a deluge of hypotheticals and misinformation to validate them either. As the adage goes, time will tell. It’s one thing to prattle on about an argument that has been settled for quite some time, another entirely to allow bias or distaste to profess that Nash doesn’t even belong in the Hall. The players you mentioned lost the MVP to HOFers whose individual production contributed to team success. Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan spring to mind. Nash won in a year which both KB and LBJ had stellar individual production but little team success. Nash turned his team around by more than thirty games. Being the most valuable player doesn’t mean you’re the best. Also it means you’re the most valuable player for that year, not that era. If he’d have gone up against KB or LBJ the past three years, he’d have lost and justifiably so. But he didn’t. He took advantage of a down cycle and a weakened crop of candidates. Whatever historian you may have spoken with probably do agree with the consensus that he shouldn’t have been a back to back mVP. But I have real trouble beliving that a majority- if any for that matter-believe him to be unworthy of the Hall. As I’ve stated time and again I have trouble with your arguments regarding Nash when they’re riddled with counterproductive hypotheticals and accompanied by irrational statements such as Nash has not had any memorable playoff performances. Its indicative or an extreme bias or startling lack of research. You continually disregard facts and insert players into the conversation who weren’t even in the league when Nash received his honors. They’re almost completely irrelevant. You say you speak for history when history has already spoken. Nash didn’t deserve two MVPs. He’s never been better than Kobe. Or Bron. I can’t remember ever seeing anyone say such things. But take away his trophies and the numbers still get him in the Hall. To say anything else leaves one to question your motivations.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/san-dova-speak-easy/ San Dova

    There you have it, folks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    Also KB lost MVP because more than 30 voters left him completely off their ballots. Which had to do with his trial, his breaking up a dynasty and reputation as a selfish gun for hire. Not Steve Nash. There was a justifable argument that KB was a team killer. How can he be MVP at the same time? Over a player who led his team to one of the greatest turnarounds in league history?Who sustained them after losing their starting center and two guard? Best talent, not most valuable. That year at least. A similar comparison would be Zeke who got ONE total vote in back to back championship years because a rightfully earned reputation. That doesn’t mean MJ and Magic didn’t deserve MVP. It means Zeke should have gotten more votes but prolly wouldve lost anyway. Just like Kobe. But history has still validated them both. And again, no one considers Doc a better coach than Phil or Sloan despite the hardware. It is possible to separate the two.

  • T-Money

    I see what you’re saying Myles but the analogy with COY doesn’t really work because nobody cares about them. We don’t know how many COYs Auebarch has (did it even exist at that time) and considering the employment status of the recent COYs, it’s really a coach-who-did-a-lot-better-than-we-thought-he-would-that-given-year award. People DO care about MVPs though. Getting back-to-back MVPs is a BIG deal. I was okay with Nash’s first one but I feel like the second one got shoved in our collective throat, pause if you must. It puts him in a category where he doesn’t truly belong in my eyes. However, you are absolutely correct on the HOF thing. Nash does belong in the hall. It’s not really debatable at this point, he’s playing incredible basketball very late in his career. Just don’t compare him with GP, Kidd or Stock. There are two sides to the court.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    There are two sides to a court. And Ason Kidd’s jumpshot was as abysmal as Nash’s defense. Magic Johnson led the league in steals and was a fraction away from the first triple double average since Oscar but he was nowhere close to winning the MVP. Why? Ask Paul Westhead, who Magic essentially fired that year and earned the reputation of a coach/team killer. Same thing happened to Kobe. They both learned from their actions and continued to succeed, but you can’t just retroactively take someones MVP away because of it.

  • Ronald

    You really have to look at the MVP awards in context with the years. Some of your comparisons Michael seem to be out of context. i.e Gary Payton didn’t win any MVP’s because he played in the same era as Michael Jordan. And it’s not like Nash will make the HOF solely based on him winning MVPs. Honestly, Nash did not outright deserve his 1st MVP, but he had a strong argument in the next two years. (And, usually, the MVP award is about who has the strongest case THAT year, and not based on what he did last year) And most of your argument can be said the same for LBJ when you substitute the corresponding attributes.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I don’t know if Nash deserved BOTH of his MVP’s. But he deserved at least one.
    His 04/5 team was something the League hadn’t seen before. Ever. The Nugegts of ’91 ish, didn’t win games.
    Nash turned into a superstar in the space of an off-season, due to leaving Dallas & PHX’s system. Maybe he would’ve done something similar in Dallas that same year.. but hypotheticals are just that. Hypotheticals.
    What are the media supposed to think? Besides, the votes are taken during the regular season. If it was in the off-season, we’d see it differently for sure.
    ’06 Nash’s team was so depleted it was ridiculous. NO-ONE thought Raja Bell or Boris Diaw would perfom the way they did that season. And they haven’t since. Nash LED that team, and he really WAS a super valuable player. Most? I dunno.
    When Shaq came to Miami in 04/5, it seems like you guys are saying that he suddenly made that team brilliant. They got knocked out in the Conference Finals as well. The same as Nash.
    They’d made the 2nd round in ’04 (when Wade, Odom, Alston, Butler beat Baron Davis’ Hornets), and lost 4-2 to the Pacers.
    Kobe’s team was seeded 7th in ’06. He had fantastic stats. When Jordan (and I hate to bring MJ into this) won his MVP’s, he was 30/5/5 and finishing with a top 4/5 seed. It gave the media a branch to lean on, and further validation.
    But meh.
    Jason Kidd should have an MVP. But, “it is what it is”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    One last point. Michael, you’ve continually challenged people to ‘admit’ that they think you’re down on Nash because he’s white, without acknowledging that this statement confirms as much: “Great player for his era but he has done nothing to merit Hall of Fame status outside of two awards that validate voters pandering to a demography looking for a hero.” There is no other possible interpretation other than “This man won because he’s white” Which in actuality is a more rational argument than the other ones you’ve presented. Problem is it also seems to be the basis of an overextended backlash that deems him unworthy of the Hall.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Those sketches are DOPE btw.

  • T-Money

    Myles: Steve Nash won consecutive MVPs because he’s White. There I said it. (ducks)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Myles Brown

    Thank you. I’ve had that discussion with people who actually cast a ballot. It makes more sense than some incessant rambling about Gary Payton.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Nash didn’t REALLY deserve the MVPs, but nobody else did. Nash had great seasons, and nobody clearly did better than him, so….he got them. I say they’re legitimate.

  • SikhWitIt

    That post by Michael Tillery is among the best, most well-reasoned things I’ve ever read about the NBA. Co-sign 110%.

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