This boy could flat out SHOOT THE BASKETBALL. Standing barely 6-feet tall, his ability to score was mind blowing. A great passer, fearless competitor, and lights-out 3-point shooter, Price will forever be knows as one of Cleveland and Georgia Tech’s best. He was a 4x NBA All-Star and 2x 3-Point Contest Champion in 93-94. Shout out to KBlaze for the mix.
-Schneezy
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Brilliant video.
Do you think Mark Price is significantly less talented and effective than Steve Nash?
If you don’t, then he could get an MVP, right?
I don’t see it.
I mean, I don’t think Nash is a significantly worse shooter than Price, but I think Nash is a significantly better passer and ball handler and slasher and leader.
But I am a Nash slurper.
i like your reasoning lol
But, I do think he’s better. He has more to work with as far as size and athleticism, and the rules do benefit what he’s doing.
Remember, Price was putting up those numbers in a much slower offense, in a league with tougher defense, and despite his physical limitations.
And, my larger point was that if Price did what he did back then in today’s NBA, he would likely be an MVP candidate.
Agree or disagree?
Nash was on several all-star teams in dalls, and regularly averaged like 17 and 7 or so. He had some down years, but he put up solid stats in Dallas.
No, he wasn’t an MVP, and I don’t think he deserved the ones he got, but it’s dishonest to pretend he was a bum.
When you look at the numbers, and adjust for Phoenix’s pace and style, I think Price versus Nash is a legit debate, to be honest.
I will admit I don’t think very highly of Price. I think that Cleveland team, with the talent it had, constantly underachieved. Some people really like Price though, so maybe I should relook at him.
Fat Lever: Mark Summers.
I think Price was put in a great situation in Cleveland, he was the perfect half-court point guard, spacing the floor, creating space with his lag step and that surprising change in direction, tossing it to the post, great at the pick-and-roll… I dunno how he’d do in that fast run-and-gun offense.
But yeah, I’ll start rewatching some old Price game footage, see if I feel differently. A lot of what I remember was his team getting clowned by the Bulls so that certainly can’t help.
But, I don’t think it was Price’s fault.
And just because basketball was slower, doesn’t mean Price couldn’t play fast.
Besides, Nash in Dallas played a slower brand of ball then in Phoenix, and look at his numbers compared to Price.
No handchecking, more free throws, more shots. I like Price’s chances.
Honestly, in my opinion, I could think of 15-20 pgs I’d rather have over Price. So maybe, from what people are saying, I’m underrating Price. I’ll give him another look.
Nash is overrated his career avearge is not 17 and 7 its 15 and 8. In Nash seven years in Dallas he only went to 2 All Star games, he did not go every year. People forget he was actually blamed for his poor play sometimes in the playoffs. With Phx he went to 5 All Star games. He was only NBA 1st team 3 times in his entire career. He only led league in assists per game 4 times out of his entire career. His whole sorry career is built out of winning those two MVPs, one was Shaq the other was Kobe. Price would murder in a fast pace system, where he could do anything. People forget Nash has a high turnover rate. He’s played 14 or 15 years in the league and to me only played well for three seasons out of it. The fake two MVP years and the year after the second fake MVP award. Besides that he is just a reliable point guard like Andre Miller. TRUTH HURTS!!!
Plus, I’ll say it again, these are how the MVP voting should have played out: 05–> Shaq, 06—> Kobe, 07—> Nash, 08—> Chris Paul.
Everything would be right in the world if it just played out like that.
Although he is better than top 40, though.
Two, I want to stay on the safe side with this one.
Period.
Anyway, love the Mark Price video. One of the best shooters ever. Great scorer.
There are also other point guards who do not get the recognition because of various reasons. Many of them were better point guards than many that play today.
Earl Monroe.
All the way down to Johnny Dawkins.
Vern Fleming.
Even Nate Mcmillan.
Alvin Robertson.
Johnny Moore.
Kevin Porter.
Calvin Murphy.
Scott Skiles.
Love it.
He played in the same division as the Bulls, the Pistons, the Pacers so was defended night in, night out by Joe Dumars, Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller. He played at PG in a league opposite Stockton, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway etc.
Price over Nash. Thanks for watching.
Will have to add this to my “Nash defense” bag of tricks
> even a good defender,
Complete rubbish. If you have the physical equipment to play in the NBA you have the physical equipment to play defence.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1992.html
People also need to remember that Price was out of the league at 33 because he destroyed his knee, likewise Daughtery with his back. Fifteen years is a greater time in medicine than it is in basketball.
Free throws would be a legit consideration if Nash was the type of player to regularly get to lane with the intent of scoring. However, we all know that he drives to pass and creates kickouts and dumpoffs to his teammates. That’s why teams like the Spurs prefer to make him into a scorer, instead of allowing him to get into the defense and create for others.
The lack of hand checking and the general non contact rules on the perimeter, along with the non contact rules on cutters, has allowed Nash to be able to turn the corner much, MUCH easier in the league, just like it’s benefited most other guards. The non contact rule makes it impossible to keep an arm or hand on player to subtly slow them down, or steer them in certain directions as was the norm during the time Mark Price played. Since the NBA is a game of inches and angles, this makes a HUGE difference in a point guards effectiveness, as evidenced by the change in Nash’s numbers once he changed systems, and once the rules changed. He went from a solid, occassional all-star, to a freaking MVP. Without any significant improvements or changes in his game.
WTH.
The longevity argument falls flat when you compare the numbers Price put up early in his career to the time Nash spent riding the pine in Phoenix and Dallas.
For roughly the first four years of his career, Nash was pretty much a non-factor, and for two of his four years in Dallas he was only average.
He only became a “star” for any extended period of time in Phoenix, and while you might attribute that to better shooting or better shot selection, I attribute it to a vastly different offensive style that was more dependent on point guard distribution and less concentrated on isos off pick and roll, which is what Don Nelson loves. Just comparing the pace between the Mavs and Suns is the wrong way to go, it’s more important to look at how each team ran its offense, and what the responsibilities and opportunities were for the point guard. In Dallas, Nash was an important cog, but in Phoenix he was the driving force behind nearly all offensive action on the floor.
The charge argument for Nash is as specious as the steals argument once was for Allen Iverson.
Both players led the league in a defensive category, but that doesn’t mean that either of them was a good defender. And, while Nash is not a speedster, is lack of lateral quickness is overrated. He’s not that slow. He just doesn’t expend as much energy or focus on playing tough man to man defense as he does on trying to create on the offensive end. Period. The lateral quickness argument is riduclous when you compare Nash to other “slower” guards like Chauncey Billups or John Stockton. Neither of them were speedsters, yet neither of them was exploited as often and easily as Nash in one-on-one matchups.
And, if you try to point out that Billups and Stockton were “stronger” well that’s a function of Nash’s failure to gain strength, right?
Nash is a great offensive player, bad defender. His MVPs are questionable, particularly the first one considering the fact that Shaq had Miami win 60 games and averaged 22 and 10. And the next year, when Lebron went for 30, 8 and 8 while winning 50 games with no other players, and Kobe had one of the greatest individual seasons in recent memory, Nash had no business being in the MVP discussion regardless of the fact that Amare was out of the year, since he still had a regular All-Star in Shawn Marion riding shotgun.
Mark Price was Steve Nash’s equal and the only reason his career was not viewed in the same light was becuase of injuries, and toughter competition. Period.
I don’t know who Randy Smith is?
Fine, fine.
I’ll stop discrediting the Legendary Chauncey Billups.
> try to point out that Billups and Stockton were
> “stronger” well that’s a function of Nash’s failure
> to gain strength, right?
Absolutely. Take a look at Reggie Miller, who had every excuse to be a worse defender than Steve Nash – but he wasn’t.
I don’t think either is a better shooter than the other. They are pretty much neck-and-neck in that regard.
Price was a MUCH better defender by default (i.e., he tried)
Statistically, Nash didn’t deserve either MVP. However, no one can dispute how his flawless execution of D’Antoni’s system changed how other teams coached, scouted, and drafted.
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