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Friday, October 11th, 2013 at 12:00 pm  |  116 responses

Top 50: Kevin Love, no. 15

The Wolves have the best power forward in the NBA.

by Farmer Jones / @thefarmerjones

I don’t know how you call this one.

For four seasons, Kevin Love was better than most people thought he would be. Than he could be, if we’re being honest. A solid rookie season, 11 and 9 in limited minutes, this after a prominent Minneapolis columnist—speaking for a lot of people, if we’re being honest—said he wouldn’t be able to get his shot off against NBA bigs. Whatever you thought he’d be in Year One, most likely, he was better.

Year Two: 14 and 11, still playing fewer than 30 minutes a night. Per minute, the earthbound, 6-10 (heh, good one), 21-year-old was already one of the best rebounders in the League.

Year Three: Grown-up minutes, finally, and the numbers to match, better than 20 and 15. Did you think he’d be this good ever, let alone at 22?

Year Four: 26 and 13? Seriously?

Four seasons, tangible improvement in each. And of course that’s the thing about being that dude who “gets better every year”—either you eventually hit a ceiling, or you have a pretty short career.

Kevin Love will most likely play for a long time. Which means it’s the former. The only question now is whether he has already reached that ceiling. Because what we saw last season…that wasn’t the ceiling. That was taking the stairs from the penthouse and tripping on the way down.

Year Five: 18 games squeezed between injuries, 18 games he maybe shouldn’t have played in the first place, 18 games of subpar production—I mean, 18 and 14, but still—in which he never looked right physically, and if I can make an unfounded assumption, maybe wasn’t all the way there mentally, either.

Point being, Kevin Love entered each of his first four NBA seasons optimistic of surpassing outside expectations—and then did just that. Last season, coming off Olympic duty and then breaking his hand, I think he probably knew better.

And this year? Right now? I don’t know how you call it.

This ranking, obviously, take it for what it’s worth. I think Kevin Love is absolutely a top-10 player in an ideal situation: If he’s in peak condition, if he can avoid another semi-freakish injury, if these sort-of-new-look Wolves are deep and balanced enough to make an actual playoff run. I think if he’s healthy and playing on a playoff contender, Kevin is that dude—the dude who fully deserved his Olympic team spot, the dude who can hold off Blake and LaMarcus in the race for best young power forward in the game, and maybe best power forward, period.

I think he’ll be there, condition-wise. I hope he’ll be there health-wise. It would be really cool to see the Wolves there as a team.

Now, about that ceiling. What if ’11-12 was the ceiling? What if 26 and 13 was as good as it gets? It might be, and since that’s actually tremendous for a slightly undersized power forward with below-average-for-an-NBA-All-Star athleticism, let’s say that would be just fine. Better than fine. If he can maintain that, if he can keep pushing up against that ceiling for the next five or six seasons, we’ll be talking about this guy as a possible—if not probable—Hall of Famer.

Here’s hoping he stays healthy; just as important, here’s hoping the ongoing Minnesota Timberwolves construction project makes serious progress this season, because I think playing for a winner will be huge for this dude. I think it matters to him more than it does a lot of guys.

Like I said, I can’t call this one. But I can tell you I’d really like to see Kevin Love with more to play for than stats and a paycheck. If he can, I think we might find he still has some room under that roof.

Where should Kevin Love rank in the SLAM Top 50?

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SLAMonline Top 50 Players 2013
Rank Player Team Position Pos. Rank
50 Monta Ellis Mavs SG 5
49 Luol Deng Bulls SF 10
48 Ricky Rubio TWolves PG 14
47 Greg Monroe Pistons PF 12
46 Kawhi Leonard Spurs SF 9
45 Mike Conley Grizzlies PG 13
44 Al Jefferson Bobcats C 9
43 David Lee Warriors PF 11
42 Jrue Holiday Pelicans PG 12
41 Anthony Davis Pelicans PF 10
40 Joe Johnson Nets SG 4
39 Serge Ibaka Thunder PF 9
38 Kevin Garnett Nets PF 8
37 Rudy Gay Raptors SF 8
36 Paul Pierce Nets SF 7
35 Ty Lawson Nuggets PG 11
34 Pau Gasol Lakers PF 7
33 Al Horford Hawks C 8
32 Andre Iguodala Warriors SF 6
31 Brook Lopez Nets C 7
30 Zach Randolph Grizzlies PF 6
29 DeMarcus Cousins Kings C 6
28 Damian Lillard Blazers PG 10
27 Josh Smith Hawks SF 5
26 Joakim Noah Bulls C 5
25 Roy Hibbert Pacers C 4
24 John Wall Wizards PG 9
23 Chris Bosh Heat C 3
22 Tim Duncan Spurs PF 5
21 Dirk Nowitzki Mavs PF 4
20 LaMarcus Aldridge Blazers PF 3
19 Rajon Rondo Celtics PG 8
18 Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 2
17 Blake Griffin Clippers PF 2
16 Deron Williams Nets PG 7
15 Kevin Love TWolves PF 1

Rankings are based on expected contribution in ’13-14—to players’ team, the League and the game.

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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    gotta be the hardest guy to rank in the top 20. could be anywhere from #5 to hurt and irrelevant.

  • AndyK415

    I think he’s right, if K-Love can be healthy for an entire season he most definitely can and will be a top-10 player in the league. All he needs is health and a little more work on defense (okay, maybe more than a little on that) and his low-post offensive game. I’m not just being a homer, this guy really is the best power forward in the game.

  • shockexchange

    K-Love has been doing exactly what Michael Beasley was supposed to be doing – putting up eye-popping stats on a very bad team. He has established himself as a premier power forward. The Shock Exchange questions whether K-Love can be as productive with other good players around him.

  • underdog

    All I know is that it would be quite entertaining to see this Timberwolves team stay healthy for a longer period in the season. I hope they’ll manage.

  • Love The Game

    I think he could be as productive. Even if he wasn’t scoring so much due to other offensive threats, he is such a good rebounder and passer. He would still influence the game.

  • TR

    Where do you guys think he goes once this contract is up?

  • shockexchange

    Fair point. He would prolly have fewer points, fewer rebounds and way more assists. He could also be the best passing big man in the game right now.

  • AndyK415

    Hopefully back with MIN to keep building with Rubio…I’m just worried about the money situation though. It better not turn into another KG/Marbury fiasco. I will forever hate Marbury for that.

  • AndyK415

    Plus he can shoot the 3

  • shockexchange

    He probably takes too many threes. That’s why his FG% is so low (mid 40s). As a PF he should be shooting in the low 50s, at a minimum.

  • AndyK415

    Unfortunately that’s because he was probably the best shooter on the team…although now we have Martin. I would be okay with him taking a couple or so a game but it sometimes makes me nervous with him being so far from the basket at who the heck is going to rebound…and I would rather not have him having to be the first guy back on defense who has to stop the ball on a missed shot fast break.

  • chingy

    If he’s healthy, he’s top 10. Steph Curry should be next right?

    Rest of the top 15:

    15. K Love
    14. S Curry
    13. Paul George
    12. Kyrie Irving
    11. Melo
    10. Westbrook
    9. D Wade
    8. TP
    7. Harden
    6. Kobe
    5. D Rose
    4. Dwight
    3. CP3
    2. KD
    1. LeBron

  • shockexchange

    Gets back to the Shock Exchange’s point about how productive he would be on a better team. Currently he’s freelancing, but a lot of those games aren’t very meaningful. How does his shot selection, scoring, defense, change during meaningful games?

  • King David

    i remember when ppl were saying Mayo and Beasley were better, LMAO !

  • AndyK415

    No idea. Him and the rest of the squad just get injured.

  • TR

    I feel like he might bolt to LA, wait a year or however long until Westbrook comes and then the Lakers are solid for the next several years. They’re homeboys im pretty sure.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It would not make much sense for George to be higher than any of those guys except Kobe…who is obviously hurt.

  • chingy

    So you’d take Curry over PG? I love his game but I just think Curry may be a bit too hyped from the last playoff run. PG’s could be the best defender at the SF position (Lebron when he’s into it, or maybe Kawhi). Besides, I don’t trust Curry’s ankles.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Curry’ offensive value might be underrated. That’s how good he is on that end. And George has not proven to be even an all star caliber player over the course of 82 games yet…but we are projecting him to be a top 14 player. He can’t go much higher, rationally.

  • chingy

    He was an All-Star last year, no?

  • Junior Taylor

    When do we as basketball fans stop giving Love a pass simply because of his statline and start criticizing him for a lack of consistent effort on the defensive end and failing to lead his team anywhere near the Playoffs? I’m not saying MIN is the most talented team out there but given the improvement of the talent around him (Sota added Shabazz, Kevin Martin and Gorgui Dieng), it’s not too much to ask from the 15th best player in the NBA to at least keep his team in Playoff contention throughout the season.

  • danpowers

    15 seems somehow like an appropriate rank but i disagree that this guy should be the best 4 in the game. i got LA ahead of him and even griffin unless i didnt see love in the playoffs (take your numbers and lack of versatility arguments and upyours with it), horford, too, if he could finally play his natural PF position. not to forget a healthy and re-juvinated dirk nowitzki or pau gasol. argh!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol whoops My bad, I meant Superstar level not all star. Totally my bad, I just mean he’s being put in elite elite company, and hasn’t been an elite elite player for a consistent amount of time.

  • davidR

    with the team around curry, and the confidence he gained from the playoffs, he is about to blow this coming season. assuming his ankles hold up

  • danpowers

    i never gave him that pass and im glad to read that i aint the only one.

  • danpowers

    after i witnessed that 50+ points game against my knicks i think that curry is either properly or just under rated lol

  • chingy

    All good. I follow what you’re saying…it’ll be interesting to see how much further these two take it in the upcoming season. They are the next wave of stars in the league (along with Kyrie)

  • chingy

    I rmb watching that…it was unreal!

  • chingy

    That’s the part I’m skeptical about..his damn ankles!

  • chingy

    BG needs to rebound the ball better…but strictly number wise, I don’t know how many of the PF you listed can hold their own against KLove. Other than his FG%, he’s the best PF in the game in terms of numbers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No doubt about that, the league is coming into another little golden age of high end talent. But unlike the 2nd half of the 80s + 90s this talent is perimeter based with a few shining bigs, while the previous era was the exact opposite

  • AndyK415

    The Wolves should be a playoff team this year. And yes they have been improving for the past couple seasons and should have been a playoff team but injuries have caused them major setbacks every season.

  • maggle

    Dude, you went to literally every ranking and just complain. He was injured last season relax… Shabazz and Dieng is really an improvement in talent? I agree his defense isn’t good or anything, and I do agree defense isn’t taken into consideration as strong as it should be, but when a player is that good offensively and as a rebounder, you can still justify him being number 15.

    If you can’t give Love a pass for not being a great defender, you can say the same for almost every player with their weaknesses. Aside from Lebron, you can pretty much make your nitpicking case for everyone whether its shot selection, defense, making teammates better, etc.. Stop complaining about every single post like they offended your family.

  • danpowers

    you would give a guy who never even made the playoffs after 5 nba years of which he lost 123 games (91 during the last two seasons) a potential no 5 spot? we didnt see what and how he would do surrounded by good players who demand shots and posetions. there is absolutely no evidence of how he would do in relevant games.

    you said “(…)to hurt and irrelevant” by which you include the negative risks, but giving him that no 5 probability is EXTREMELY “generous” imo

  • spit hot fiyah

    wow Love went from not ranked to 16th in one year. is that the biggest positive jump in the slam top 50′s history?

  • chingy

    He’s raw, but I think Drummond has a chance to be really good (Dwight good, without the Dwightmare hopefully). Jonas probably has a lower ceiling but he can be pretty good too.

  • chingy

    To be fair, that logic applies to more than just Love (see Kyrie). Playing in the West doesn’t help also. But I agree, Love needs to start caring about the defensive end. I’m still not sure if it’s because he doesn’t care, or just can’t do it…

  • danpowers

    all of the others have already been in the playoffs and have a shot at making the playoffs again. during the last 5 years (3 in BGs case) they played in systems with less touches and other guys getting more shots. that doesnt only take points off those guys statline, but also possibilities to dish assists (even though they got more capable stations to pass to, to love’s defense).

    i dont want to take away from love’s rebounding ability, he is a monster on the boards. but he is rebounding on the expense of closing out to shooters / challenging shots in general. most of the other guys are not allowed to do that as they play for wins and not for a stat line.

    im not assuming love does that. im sure he plays to win. i know that it is not his fault, that he spent all his years on an irrelevant timberwolves team. at the same time it is not the other guys fault to play for more successful teams. im ok with him ranking in the top 20. i also give him that potential to be the best 4 in the league. but as long as i didnt see him play winning basketball (or staying healthy) i see absolutely no common sense im ranking him as the best 4 in the game.

  • AndyK415

    He never makes the playoffs because there either is no talent around him or when there is talent around him, both him and his teammates are too injured to make a playoff run. Watch him when he’s healthy. You’ll see.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “you would give a guy who never even made the playoffs after 5 nba years of which he lost 123 games (91 during the last two seasons) a potential no 5 spot?”

    - No. That is not what I said. I said “he could be anywhere from 5 to hurt and irrelevant”. Not in the rankings, but at the end of the season. If Minnesota pulls off a top 6 seed, and he has another season over 25+ points and 13+ rebounds while being efficient as a shooter, he will be in that argument. That’s all I’m insinuating.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, potential wise as far as big men go only Demarcus Cousins holds a candle to Drummond in the under 25 crowd

  • danpowers

    do you really expect him to put up these reboundingnext to a healthy pekovic? / i have that funny feeling that his stats would equal the rest of those good 4s’ stats whenever he gets sufficient help of teamates to win basketball games.

  • danpowers

    indeed. i wouldve even be cool with the warriors winning that one lol

  • danpowers

    its a shame. i would really like to see him and this wolves team healthy and make some noise. i just didnt see any of that yet.

  • AndyK415

    Hope not! But yeah I believe they were roommates in college and train together in the off-season.

  • chingy

    I co-sign all of this…I just didn’t have the patience to type all that up and instead said (strictly number wise). To me, LA is probably the most well-rounded PF in the game right now.

  • danpowers

    co-sign. LA is the best 4 in the game. only reason why his numbers maybe wont show that would be a coach not using him properly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are severely underrating Kevin Love.

  • chingy

    Not sure if they have enough defense to make a playoff run. And they still need more 3 point shooters. Rubio needs to work on that shot.

  • danpowers

    untill he proves me wrong. means: staying somewhat healthy while being huge on a good team. then id give him the edge over LA and id seperate him from the rest of the other elite 4s

  • chingy

    Lillard’s getting too many touches IMO.

  • LakeShow

    Thank you.

  • AndyK415

    That is true about the defense. We’ll have to wait and see if the defense improves. You’re right they do need more shooters, having Martin helps but him and Love are the only shooters and I would much rather have Kevin down low ready to rebound. Maybe only take a couple 3′s a game.

  • danpowers

    i was more referring to having LA set up to shoot too many long twos. he has a nice touch for a 4 his size, which stretches the floor nicely for the rest of the team. id prefer to see him getting more touches down low.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you already seem wrong. you just said you put Griffin ahead of him because Griffin has made the playoffs…..which just absolutely shows that you are ignoring any and all context when comparing these guys. sorry, but Kevin Love when healthy is either the best, or second best 4 in the league. Even in my view that is the way it is. and i have been critical of the way Love has played since he was in college.

  • LakeShow

    This guy has a good a chance as any of the top 5 PF to have the best season.

    They are all quite close in overall talent between Love, LA, Gasol, Dirk, and Griffin.

    I expect K-Love to have the most eye popping digits and also the Wolves challenging for a playoff spot, so therefore he will be the “best PF in the L.”

    He obviously needs to work on his defense. It’s abysmal right now, but the Wolves as a whole getting better will help him in that category. It doesn’t help playing next to the bad guy from the Superman movies. Pek is pretty bad on defense too. I think they can figure it out tho. They both are wide and athletic for their size so they can play some D if they get on the same page.

    Loves ability to stretch the floor is becoming more and more coveted. That alone adds to his value quite a bit.

    Expect around 25ppg on 18 buckets with 13 boards and around 38% 3 point shooting.

  • danpowers

    i knew you would call out that aspect. i am just totally convinced that griffin could also put up huge impressive numbers when he is on a bad team (evidence a: 2010/11 season). BG has quite some flaws in his game and i dont really want to make a point that he would be clearly better than love. im just not ready to put love clearly ahead of BG untill he plays on a relevant team. they are pretty even.

  • danpowers

    prove me wrong, please.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “i am just totally convinced that griffin could also put up huge impressive numbers when he is on a bad team (evidence a: 2010/11 season)”

    .
    but you have no idea if he can actually help a team win.
    .
    which is exactly the point.
    .
    if you took Kevin love and put him on the Clippers, do you think they get better or worse?
    .
    rationalize what makes Griffin better than Love in your opinion. If it comes down to, “well Griffin is on the Clippers, and Love is on the Timberwolves” then you have run into a logical dead end. .
    every measure available says Love is better than Griffin. Even on defense.

  • chingy

    But those dunks though!!! Jumping over a KIA!! LobCity!!! The GLITZ! The GLAMOUR!

  • LakeShow

    I can’t, but if you open your eyes, K-Love will this season.

  • TR

    The injuries have been pretty bad for the Twolves these last few years though

  • danpowers

    i have absolutely idea if love would help the clippers win more games than griffin.i guess the team would be the same.

    what evidence are you talking about? the stats dont really suit a direct comparison – both are playing their position entirely different while much what kevin love is doing is pretty meaningless regarding his team’s win column while griffin is contributing to wins. that is neither love’s nor griffin’s fault.

    none of both is a tim duncan anway. LA is the best 4 imo. i wont be upset or very suprised if love proves to be better than griffin this season by staying on court on a somewhat healthy and successful timberwolves team.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    last years team in Minnesota was 9-9 with Love in the lineup.
    .
    the same team that finished 31-51.
    .
    it’s safe to say, Love definitely contributes to the teams ability to win.
    .
    with both Love and Rubio in the lineup over the last couple seasons, the team is over .500 —— so, clearly….CLEARLY, he contributes to winning.
    .
    how exactly are Love and Griffin playing their positions “entirely” differently? it all sounds like excuses for why you are giving Griffin credit, while taking credit away from Love.
    .
    in regards to Aldridge, who I also have as a better player, what in the world makes Aldridge’s situation excusable but Love’s isn’t? Aldridge just missed the playoffs while being the best player on a team. (I know why they didn’t make it, I’m just playing devil’s advocate) — how is that any different then Love being stranded in Minnesota with no real help?

  • danpowers

    i am not negatively biased on love, in no way. i want to see the timberwolves succesfull as a high scoring team. love just didnt prove to be durable or to lift his team to another level. regardless of what others do: those would be two aspects i expect from a player before i consider / expect him to be the best at his position.

  • danpowers

    asample size of 18 games? seriously? my reply to that is what you said to me when i brought up shumpert’s last 26 games of the previous season.

    with griffin and paul the clippers are clearly over .500 so,clearly… CLEARLY, he contributes to winning. (i hope you see what i did here. im aware what kinda crap that is lol)

    different in a way that love shoots a lot of threes and that griffin is more of a pick and roll finisher. im taking away from love as he gets more touches with the purpose to execute than griffin. griffin is clearly the secondary guy on his team. in a role as the alpha male in his rookie season griffins numbers were impressive. we dont know how that would play out if you put him next to rubio.

    if you know why they didnt make it, then why are you asking me? i bet you know that even better than me and could even explain it better. LA has made the playoffs quite some times b4 and also played decisive roles on succesfull blazers squads.

  • Mike Gilbert

    I wish he was matched with a better defensive center, like how Dirk was matched with Tyson Chandler in Dallas.

  • Mike Gilbert

    well Rubio hasn’t done anything to justify the type of contract Marbury wanted, but maybe that changes this year

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ugh, 18 games and then I used all games with love and Rubio in the lineup before that…..it’s the sample size we have. You get mad at scientists because there sample size in measuring earths gravity is based on just one earth? You want me to just make up numbers? .
    And nobody said Griffin doesn’t help the team win. Why you are getting defensive and throwing out fallacies…idk. You are proving my point anyway by bringing up Griffin’s rookie numbers. Which are inferior to loves, on inferior teams, as it’s best player. Case and Point. .
    The Aldridge thing is to get you to form a rational defense of your opinion. It’s the purpose of a person playing devil’s advocate. Do I really need to explain that?

  • LakeShow

    I think you are with-out wanting to be.

    Just remember that the last guy to do the things K-Love has statistically, is Moses Malone.

    He’s in rare company.

    Even with Pek next to him he will get over 13 boards, despite shooting around 5 three’s a game… That’s special.

    He is still developing as much as anyone is the other thing. He is very skilled, but hasn’t incorporated a go to move or spin moves on the block to well yet, that is coming. Maybe this season.

  • Junior Taylor

    I guess it would be better if I just agreed to every single ranking Slam puts out just to appease others. Isn’t that the point for making their rankings public, so that others can argue whether or not they are right. I refuse to be a sheep and follower like most people.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Infact, I think SLAM likes it when we disagree…rationally

  • LakeShow

    That’s why I ragged on the Pek signing. Good player. Just not best for K-Love’s game.

  • Shifty

    God damn it I would down you if I had a actual account.

  • danpowers

    i dont and i wont explain to you why that one earth example doesnt fit at all. come on, i want to put numbers into context and it seems like oppinions just differ on how to weigh different tangibles.

    i am not aware of throwing out fallacies, i just tried to explain my oppinion.
    griffins rookie numbers are inferior to love’s rookie numbers? or lets say 21 year old griffin’s numbers are inferior to 21 year old love’s numbers at 21? i dont think so. case and point in the eye of the beholder imo.
    i am getting defensive coz i am convinced that griffin’s athleticism yet equals love’s technical abilities.
    my point is that love’s numbers are slightly inflated and that he wouldnt produce much more than griffin on the clippers. i think they are pretty even and i didnt read anything that convince me of anything else. i wont repeat myself over and over again on that otherwise this one here becomes again one of our never ending stories.

    ok, but just because its you: LA is more athletic,equally technically sound – where love has the edge in range LA has the edge in low post scoring. where loves lacks on playing capable help side defense or to close out on shooters LA does which is why his rebounding numbers are inferior by a big margin. love may be the better rebounder but LAs advantage on D outweighs him imo. LAs assist numbers are lower which is the result of a different offensive system / style of play. love may be the better passer, but not by that much. LA has been a main guy / 2nd option on good teams and proven to be way more durable than love which automatically adds more wins to his team. the way LA – among others – helped the blazers to overcome the big disappointments of oden’s and roy’s injuries in big fashion. nobody really expected them to still be a playoff team after losing their alpha male and LA stepped up in big fashion. love’s “shortcomings” in this comparison may not be his fault. why should that let LA look inferior.

    stats are just evidence. mostly a good one but they are often barring context (eg celtics winning more games without rondo than with him. to think the cs were a better team because rondo was out doesnt make any sense at all and the playoffs were proof to that statement).

    again: i buy love’s big stats to cement his no.1 power forward status as soon as i see him playing a single nba game in may.

  • danpowers

    youre not the only one totell me so that might be true lol

    you just ignored that defense and durability are also part of the game. moses malone, please. i saw too much tape of malone to let that one go. the numbers are correct, but both’ game dont compare at all.

    he is a great rebounder, no doubt. i dont mean good or very good, i mean great. still, he does that on the expense of playing proper defense. if he does that, ill happily jump on his bandwagon.

    i didnt blame him for a flawed post game. heck, i put griffin out there with him. dont let me even get started at griffins flaws and room for improvement.

    very much of what love did implies that he got the talent and will to be the best 4 in the league. but there are others who did more to earn that status and i just call LA as a sure shot here.

  • maggle

    Never said to agree with everyone smart guy..

    But you intensely disagree and argue every single post just to sound like you’re an expert or something. You just sound like a guy wanting attention and approval

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    first you need to rationalize why you think Blake’s numbers would get better if he was the best player on a worse team for you to make an argument that “you want to put numbers into context”
    .
    really, that immediately doesn’t make any damn sense. so i asked you to look at Blake’s numbers as a rookie (because he was the best player on his team, and he wasn’t *statistically* much better then he is now)
    .
    what year you compare them is not really what i’m talking about, you have Blake’s numbers as a rookie, on a worse team. His skills and production haven’t changed significantly from then, which is evidence by basically every single one of his stats, from shooting %’s in every spot on the floor, to his assist to turn over ratio. Literally everything is almost a mirror of his rookie season aside from a slight increase to efficiency. (hello, my name is _______ …… the answer is Chris Paul). So logically, one would assume his numbers, given the team went back to the way it used to be, would follow suit, as in, staying similar, but becoming less efficient.

    .

    so with that being said you did answer the question. “griffin’s athleticism yet equals love’s technical abilities.”

    which is fine. if that’s what you believe. i don’t see a way for anyone to argue for or against that, so i will let that rest.

    in regards to Aldridge, is your opinion going to change if Minnesota finishes with a better record this year? assuming both teams are relatively healthy?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his shooting % when being adjusted for his 3′s is actually extremely efficient. he actually scores more points per shot attempt than Blake Griffin. For example.

  • ballislife

    signing with the lakers soon

  • LakeShow

    How does that adjustment work?

    I have Love at 1.30 for his career and BG at 1.34 points per shot attempt.

  • MUBWAR

    just disappointing KL never let his team to the playoffs. even bosh let the crappy raptors to the playoff twice in 6 seasons with lesser numbers than love. no more excuses this season

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well i’m not looking at career numbers. the dude just had a freak wrist injury, his shooting %’s from last season alone screw up his career numbers.
    .
    let alone 09 and 10 when he didn’t shoot enough 3′s to offset his lower %

  • MUBWAR

    curry is more consistent.

  • LakeShow

    Are you serious?

    How could he have dragged that piece of sh*t team to the playoffs?
    Do you take injuries into account or is that just an “excuse”?

  • LakeShow

    Okay gotcha.

  • 3Chainz

    Put a shirt on then post a new complaint! Hard to take serious…..

  • 3Chainz

    lol true, like the bleacher report guys…

  • danpowers

    to me 22,5ppg, 3,8apg, 12,1rpg and 50%fg% are very impressive for a rookie. put that man with 3 more years of experience into a bad team and guarantee you he would put up blown up stats, i dont see why he shouldnt even be better than in his rookie season.

    regarding team success: we can only guess what both would do in changed roles. and you are right, it is obvious that griffin benefits more from paul than love benefits from rubio (so far). thats neither griffins fault nor love’s. in the bigger picture it seems to me tho that griffin will just help any team more than love because love just seems to be quite “fragile”. i hope that this was just a bad stretch which is about to come to an end. “all evidence” points into another direction tho.

    “in regards to Aldridge, is your opinion going to change if Minnesota finishes with a better record this year? assuming both teams are relatively healthy?”

    let me put it like this: if love finally makes the playoffs there wont be much to argue about his legit status as a top 4 imo. at least i wouldnt doubt him anymore.

    i am also aware of the fact that LA has more support in portland, so even if both make the playoffs and the blazers finish ahead of the wolves doesnt necessarily mean that this would be on either love or aldridge. its hard to tell who actually is ahead of whom in comparisons about athletes in team sports. all elite players help their teams to win in their own ways and which contributions and stats should be valued more often comes down to a matter of taste of the beholder.

    i just expect LA to have his best season so far (if that hip thingy doesnt turn out to be a permanent thing) which would be hard to top.

  • shockexchange

    What’s wrong … is Thor no longer available?

  • MUBWAR

    besides last season, he didn’t have much injuries.

  • LakeShow

    So his first two seasons when he played less than 30 mins per game he should have led them to the playoffs? Right??

    Cause we only have two other seasons to choose from if you take away those.

    So he has had two healthy seasons where he has played a fair amount, and Michael Beasley was his best player in one of those seasons. And Rubio was injured in the other season…

    When your best players you’ve played with are Rubio, Pek, and Michael Beasley and you haven’t even played more than 1 full season with any of them….. you SHOULDN’T make the playoffs…

  • Roy

    the wolves will make the playoffs this season.

  • Jake

    Yeah, not to mention the fact that they almost made the playoffs the year before last before Love and Rubio got hurt. He’s a far superior player to Bosh. Way more consistent with an inferior supporting cast.

  • Jake

    I won’t agree with you, but I won’t disagree either. They’re probably the biggest on the fence team in the NBA. Everything rides on Rubio and coaching IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    But Blake Griffin literally just had knee surgery 2 months ago….I mean injury wise, Blake has already missed an entire season. And his issues are knee related, not freak wrist injuries. So I don’t dig the fragile argument very much either.
    .
    I agree with you about Aldridge, just wanted to make sure you felt the same way for good reasons. You
    Seem to not be too familiar with Love’s game, wanted to contrast the arguments.

  • danpowers

    griffin still played more games in the last 4 years than love, that lost season included. griffin appeared in all games since, that looks pretty durableto me.

    lol what?i love watching the wolves man. i have to admit that i am watching that preseason game against the bucks to see love the first time this year and that he looks physicially sharper than before. hope that’ll enable him to play better D this season, which would instantly draw my love lol.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Kevin love is facing the same situation as kevin garnett. Minnesota will use love and in the long run love’s loyalty will not be rewarded with a sufficient team to help him win.

  • johnston

    Holy sh*t you are pretty much on every thread on this site huh? That’s too much of….that…man. Just so you know, that’s too much.

  • iceman

    Those numbers are highly skewed, for one his so called 5th “YEAR” was damn 18 games, cmon son, he’s 1st rookie season limited minutes,cmon son, 2nd season limited minutes, so as stated earlier you really have 2 “REAL” years to go from, from which he was playing in the best conference in the League at the time ala the West.
    .

    So basically your argument is if we swapped Bosh for Love over that same time threshold, and let him play, that he wouldn’t have been able to make the playoffs at that time in the East? really that’s your argument?… OK….. cmon son

  • danpowers

    “So basically your argument is if we swapped Bosh for Love over that same time threshold, and let him play, that he wouldn’t have been able to make the playoffs at that time in the East? really that’s your argument?… OK….. cmon son”

    no, pops. i didnt say that in the slightest. focus, concentrate, read again and please get back to me.

  • Mike Gilbert

    It’s not a bad deal though for his skills, so maybe they are open to trading him

  • The Fury

    The “Best” Power forward should at least give his team at least 47 wins (play-offs). IMO.

  • w

    lol at tim duncan at #21

    the guy is still top 10

  • Max

    Looks like Paul George just did that to 13 haha.

  • Mike From Spain

    Pek is elite in scoring, but meh in defense… above average league wide. Pek is quite OK to compliment a stretch 4 such as Love in offense. Let’s see if he puts it together on the defensive end.

  • Mike From Spain

    But he did it in the (L)East…

  • Mike From Spain

    My take on the Wolves and Kevin Love…

    I have been following the Timberwolves and reading a lot about them. Love’s first few seasons were under Kurt Rambis, terrible coach who would not give Love minutes. The Wolves were terrible during these years, with terrible coaching and terrible talent level. Add to this terrible drafting (Jonny Flynn, Wes Johnson), horrible trades, and you will wonder how would it be possible to argue that anyone could take that motley crew to the Play Offs.

    The lock out season was Rubio’s rookie season, Pek’s breakout year and the addition of Adelman. These factors got the Wolves almost in the playoffs, but the basketball gods laughed: Rubio injured, Pek injured, the rest of the team was not deep enough having to give minutes to abysmal players.

    Then, that offseason went on with great moves (or so they seemed at the time): Chase Budinger, a bet on Brandon Roy’s health, AK47, and get rid of Wes and Beas. But the basketball gods laughed even harder, and you had Kevin Love, Budinger, Malcolm Lee, Josh Howard and Roy in the infirmary. So, a team with no one to man the 2 or the 4 (or the 3 if you moved AK to the 4), with Rubio not up to speed… second Kevin Love injury… duh, that was a shattered dream of a season.

    This year, the talent level arguably stayed the same, if you think that they essentially swapped AK47 for Corey Brewer (big downgrade) and Ridnour for Martin. Budinger got injured again (OMG, here we go again), Rubio and Shved seem not to have stepped up their games, and Love is coming out of a long inactivity period. Let’s see what this season brings, but the Wolves are one or two injuries away from being in the same position as last year, and I would not think Love is the problem. The problem is that the Wolves are thin at the 3, and towards the end of the bench their wings suck, offensively and defensively. Shabazz and Williams don’t cut it, and Corey Brewer is at best a replacement level player, not a starter like he will be now.

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  • LakeShow

    He’s great offensively for them, I just know that they need someone great on both sides to become legit. I like Pek, just think the Wolves could have been a bit smarter.

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  • Ross Fawcett

    Blake Griffin is not as good as the rest of those guys. Replace him with zach randolph

  • LakeShow

    Z-Bo’s 32 and has been on the decline, plus he has never been a great defender. I’d take Z-Bo over him to get a bucket, but next year and going forward, it’s BG.

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