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Friday, August 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pm  |  79 responses

The Mike Vick Experiment

You’re making me angry. You wouldn’t like me if I got angry.

Michael Vick & Donovan McNabb

by Khalid Salaam

Here’s the thing, I’m trying to figure out how Michael Vick fits in as a football player on the Eagles roster. But before I can even delve into it on a field level (more on that later) I have to sit by and listen to loads of hypocrisy for breakfast. Needless to say, I’m a tad bit pissed.

Let me say first that I am an animal lover without compare. Nobody can say anything else. From childhood until present day my passion hasn’t changed in regards to animal life. I visit zoos and aquariums whenever I can and spend hours watching Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel. I have an especially strong attraction to dogs and the only reason why I don’t have a dog right now is that I live in a pet-free building. I like all sorts of dogs but I find passion in strong, smart dogs like German Shepherds and Boxers. I’m one of those kinds of people who let dogs lick their face and slob their clothes. I find the devotion and companionship of canines to be second to none and I can play with them for hours on end doing nothing but throwing a stick back and forth. It’s that real.

So obviously, dog fighting bothers me. It disgusts me, actually, and I have no love for people who participate in this bloodsport. The dogs are generally treated like crap and their lives are allowed to waste away for financial gain. What Michael Vick and his people did was reprehensible, there’s no doubt about that. When the story first broke in 2007 my general response was whatever happens jail-wise is fine by me. I’m not gonna fight for the cause against a dude (even though it seems Vick was only the financial backer and not the actual culprit, he still knew much of what was happening) who’s allowing dogs to be electrocuted when they come out on the losing end of a fight. It’s just not a good situation and I wasn’t going to lose sleep over it. Yeah he lost his job and money and whatever else. That’s life. You mess up; you pay up. Keep it moving.

But now he’s free and he paid his debt to society, so I say what the hell, let that man eat. It’s over. The hope is he never participates in these types of animal cruelty situations again. But the comments from fans, media members and PETA I’m hearing tell me people are not gonna let this go. My thing is this—you got beef with Vick, the NFL and the Eagles, that’s fine. I can respect it. But you had better show the same fervor against the hundreds, thousands and millions of people who hunt for fun and sport. You better have the same anger toward the gaMichael Vickming commissions who give out hunting licenses to these people and you better be just as pissed of at the arms dealers who sell the rifles that kill these animals.

I went to the state of Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries website to see what was on there, just out of curiosity. Since Vick’s crime were committed in this state and they came down hard on him then maybe hunting is looked down upon there. Maybe it’s banned. Who knows?

What struck me first was the info available on how to get a hunting license at 16. 16?! Really? From that young of an age you can apply for a $120 license and then start hunting deer, bears and birds. Even better, you can pay $8.50 (more affordable right?) for a junior license at age 12. Yeah seriously. 12. (When I was 12 I was into sneakers and music, that’s seems really young to me to go hunting.) I don’t recall seeing anybody getting enraged or protesting in front of the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries building? Where were they?? Where are they??

People like to tell you that hunting is regulated so as not to kill too many animals and that hunting actually helps with population control by taking down the weak and diseased animals. Which is nonsense because nature, if left to its own tranquility, will deal its own brand of population control. Nature did this for millions of years before humans existed and will continue to after we destroy ourselves and the planet is given back to the animals. The hypocrisy is outrageous and I can smell the stench from my living room window. It smells like BS because that’s what it is.

When people tell me that shooting a deer is more humane than dog fighting I always say to them lets ask the deer how he feels about it. I would assume that the deer would probably disagree with that assessment and would prefer to live than to have his neck blasted open by a coward with a rifle. And yeah I consider them to be cowards. I’ll be impressed when you starting hunting animals that can kill you with your bare hands. It means something to attack a bear from up close and personal than it does to shoot down innocent animals from a helicopter a la Sarah Palin. Until recreational hunting is outlawed I don’t want to hear a single, solitary thing about Mike Vick and dog fighting. The level of cruelty is the same. You are playing yourself if you think otherwise.

In regards to how Vick’s addition plays out on the actual field, can I just say that I’m always glad when it’s NFL season! First, it’s a bold, very non-Eagles-type of move. I’ve been an Eagles fan since the ‘80s and we’ve never done anything like this. With Terrell Owens we tried to fill a glarinMichael Vickg need. We don’t have a glaring need at QB. McNabb re-upped in the off-season and Kevin Kolb is the supposed quarterback of the future. McNabb says he’s cool with it, even asked for Vick, but Kolb has to be heated. Yeah he crapped the bed when he got his chance against Baltimore last year but that was an unfair situation. Coming in at the start of the 3rd quarter against a rabid Ravens defense with no time to prepare and having never really played before? He’s lucky he didn’t get concussed. You must wonder if the Eagles brass believes in him at all.

The main question I have is where does Vick play? Andy Reid didn’t even work Vick out before the team signed him. Is he even in shape? How fast can he learn the playbook? These are important questions. There’s no obvious roster spot and don’t give me that Wildcat stuff because I think it’s overrated. The formations are super obvious, you put your QB at risk, and I don’t think you can win a Super Bowl with it. Sure it’s cool for fans and for playing Madden (I’m coppin’ mine today, by the way) but I don’t trust it in a big game.

So, again, where does Vick play? Next year he’ll make for trade bait I guess, but what about now? He’s not gonna play on special teams so essentially we are wasting a roster spot with a fourth QB. I don’t know, maybe he can play in the slot if his hands are good enough. Or as insurance if McNabb gets hurt. Either way it was a bold move and the downside is marginal—well, maybe not marginal, but small enough. There will be no QB controversy, though. I just can’t see that happening under any circumstances. Tony Dungy says he’s reformed, and is co-signing Vick and Coach Dungy is a trustworthy, stand up man. If he says Vick is cool, then I believe him. And though I’ve always found his game to be more hype than production, Vick has major talent and can help us. I’m excited to see what the coaching staff has in mind.

Now can anyone tell me where I can find a “PETA Sucks” t-shirt?

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I would ask Bill Bilichick if he thinks the ‘Wildcat’ offense is overrated.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And since Nia Long went naked for a PETA ad, I can’t wear a “PETA Sucks” t-shirt and completely mean it. Even though they do.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    I’m buying an Eagles beret…

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    Love it! Low to no risk, with high reward.

  • luv2ball

    Our justice system is so fair!

    Michael Vick kills dogs – 2 years in prison

    Dante Stallworth kills a human – 24days in jail

    I still don’t get it.

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    well said Khalid, it’s unbelievable the amount of people that are still rocking ‘f*** Mike Vick’ attitude like this just happened yesterday. like you said, let the man eat.

  • rob stewart

    I hope Vick does well. I would love to see him turn his life around and to the Lord. I’m glad Dungy is involved. I wish more successful Christian black men would step up and help lost black men as well. This could turn into an awesome story.

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    and also yeah there is no downside to the signing, but there’s not much upside either. Alot of teams would’ve had better results with the Vick experiment than the Eagles.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    As a Giant fan I express respect and sadness over this move. Very smart by the Eagles. As for all the extra noise about this situation, 100% cosign what Khalid wrote.

  • Rashaan

    Excellent article. Cant say it no better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Well, at least WHEN Mcnabb gets hurt agin, he’ll have a solid backup…

  • Horace

    It is okay to be upset when someone has committed such an unthinkable act as Michael did. But people, we all have skeletons in our closets. Show me one perfect person & I will show you a liar! We have to learn how to forgive & move on. Love will always defeat hate! Congratulation Michael Vick!!! Make the best of it this time…

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    This was very well written, Khalid! The world needs to wake up (and read this)!

  • RAYisaVICKsupporter

    Ahmen! finally a writer with a brain!

  • tavoris

    co-sign

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Did what I write disappear…?

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  • TONEY BLARE

    Whatever, Khalid. I’d definitely shoot Palin from a helicopter and so would you. Can I live?

  • Debarge

    I’m finally glad to hear (or read) about some americans with some sense. The man mad a mistake, and has done his time and lost a grip of money. In most cases and this being one of them, he deserves a 2nd chance. People can change and learn from there mistakes. Go Vick!

  • http://www.kneejerknba.blogspot.com/ KneeJerkNBA

    Excellent article. It’s refreshing to see some perspective and reason in a sports article.

    Of course, I’d still love to see Mike Vick ripped to shreds by a pack of wild dogs…

  • http://slamonline.com Sam Rubenstein

    Commenting system weird now it’s me though… oh Khalid, Khalid, Khalid…
    eh, I guess if my team had never ever ever won a Super Bowl I’d be desperate too. You can’t get mad at a virgin for going to a prostitute.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    so khalid, are you a vegetarian?

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Sam is classic.

  • http://slamonline.com Susan Price

    same ol Sam

  • donovan

    No one gave a damn when it was LeShon Johnson fighting dogs.

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  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    I agree with Khalid on this article. Oh and great move for the Eagles.

  • t-rocc

    yeah, i was gonna ask what Tarzan did just a minute ago, as i think the whole hunting tirade is pretty hypocritical if he’s not…

  • http://roger.agincourtmedia.com/ Roger

    Khalid: I’m gonna have to disagree with you, and apparently everyone else reading Slam.

    (1) “Let the man eat” is a bit silly. I can’t speak for the nuts at PETA, but I have no problem with Vick holding down a job, even one in football. Someone, somewhere must need a quarterback coach or something. But sticking him back in the public eye and giving him a gateway to fame is way beyond letting him earn a living. With that said, I’m not flying to Philly to protest, either… signing him is a dumb decision on their part, and doesn’t make me look upon the franchise kindly, but I’m not losing sleep over it.

    (I wonder how I’d feel if it had been an NBA thing, though… say, Brad Miller doing the same thing? I suspect my love of basketball would make me care more.)

    (2) No, I’m not crazy about sport hunting. But then, I don’t personally know anyone who does that… the hunters I know eat what they kill. People who go on safari to kill something and take home a trophy have very little in common with people stocking a deep freeze.

    (3) Twelve isn’t an unusually low age to begin hunting… by that point, a kid from a hunting family has probably been spending weekends in the woods since s/he was seven or eight, learning how the process works.

    (4) “Let’s ask the deer about that.” You find me a deer that’s waiting at the door for you when you come home, that will fiercely defend you if you’re attacked, that can be trained to fetch a soda from the refrigerator for a blind or otherwise disabled person, hell even actively assist you on a hunting trip… and then I’ll entertain the notion of equality between dogs and deer. ‘Til then, nope. It’s not hypocrisy to recognize the distinctions between companion animals, endangered species, and common, overpopulated game animals.

    (5) Speaking of overpopulation, well, like Sarah Palin, you fail to ignore the fact that human activity changes nature. A thousand years ago, the deer in a given region could multiply past a certain point and consume all the available food… at which point, the herds would head off for (literally) greener pastures. Such pastures are harder to come by these days, as human development has taken over fields and bulldozed forests. That leaves them either (a) staying where they are and dying of malnutrition, which benefits no one, or (b) attempting to migrate into urban areas where they’re killed by cars, spread disease, and dump over trash cans, which just pisses everyone off.

    I’m not a hunter… haven’t been on a trip since I was a kid. (Unless you count fishing.) I don’t have a personal investment in the pastime. The only reason I felt the need to respond is that you just seem so passionate about something that you don’t appear to understand at all.

  • http://roger.agincourtmedia.com/ Roger

    Oh, lovely… no paragraph breaks.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    My post didn’t come through.
    It was a Roger length post about how our criminal justice system is based of rehabilitation and not retribution and how as much as I think Vick should have spent way longer behind bars for what he did, it’s not fair for anyone to deprive him of a job now that he’s outside in society. He has the same stigma that any felon has.
    I mean, good god, the former face of the NFL just took 1.6 million to play for the Eagles. That’s insane.
    Of course, that all disappeared, so f slam’s database…

  • phillygirl109

    Great article Khalid, and I couldn’t wait to see your POV on this. I agree with most everything you say. It’ll be tough here in Philly for Vick though, and I’m waiting to see how many fans complaining are willing to give up their season tickets. If jail is meant to rehab a person and Vick chooses to no longer participate in dog fighting in any way, can we finally say he has paid for his crimes?? Or will we complain when the system actually works for a change? What he did was despicable, but how different is it from the way animals are killed for food & clothing?? I would never harm an animal, but why are Americans willing to protest Vick playing football and not the greedy Wall Streeters who have bankrupted this country (which has had an affect on HUMAN LIVES, I might add)? I’m looking forward to the Birds’ season and I bet Vick will draw wherever he plays.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If Rick Ross says Mike Vick paid, who am I to argue?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Michael Vick made a mistake. He undoubtedly breached taboo, and committed crimes that he shouldn’t have been tangled up in. But, he did his time (literally), and lost his job. He deserves a second chance. Now, I don’t see how he’ll play on the Eagles, where he fits in, but kudos to Philly for signing him.

  • Clipp Show 714

    @ Roger. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. No one is just giving him the “gateway” to fame. He has to earn it by playing well again and continuing to speak out against dogg fighting.

  • rav

    just thought i’d add this fact – PETA kill 85% of animals that come into their care.

  • JohnK

    Khalid, solid article, but I have a few counter points. I’d like to point out that some people think hunting is morally superior to buying meat from the store. (I don’t do either.) The argument is hunters actually experience taking a life, in a much more natural predator/prey relationship, and therefore appreciate it more. When we buy meat from the store, we are removed from the killing, and don’t appreciate the taking of the animal’s life. Also, I think dog fighting is much worse than hunting. Hunting is functional and tries to minimize the suffering involved in killing. Dog fighting is neither of those. Third, in many areas of the country, we have killed all the large predators, so deer and other animals no longer have “natural” population control. Thanks again, I appreciate seeing this type of debate on Slam.

  • donovan

    One quick point… everywhere, I see a lot of people saying, ‘There are people in the NFL who’ve accounted for the killing of human beings,’ etc., etc. (Presumably Leonard Little?)

    Driving drunk is not SOCIOPATHIC. What Vick did is sociopathic. Period.

    There is a certain distinction.

  • rav

    the people who drink drive make conscious decisions to drink and then drive – for drink driving alone they should get a ban but for killing someone drink driving and getting a 1 year ban is a total joke (little’s was 8 games i believe, and then there is the joke of a punishment that was given to stallworth by the authorities) – IMO 2 year ban for KILLING a person should be the bare minimum

  • http://slamonline Negetivekreep

    Khalid makes some good points, IMO there is no difference between the sport of ‘dog fighting’. And, the ‘sport hunting’ of predetory animals such as Grizzley Bears/Wolves/jaguars ect.
    If your not hunting the animal for food. Then your either doing it for money,for a trophy & bragging rights, or to raise your testosterone level. In wich case, what’s the difference between these two sports? I dont really see any moral high ground. Were talking about 2 sports, 1 objective: killing animals. For no higher purpose than entertainment and money. Only difference? (technicality) One is legal, the other is not. Come on America, do we really have more of a shortage of domestic dogs than of wild predators? I can understand the hunting of deer, and other animals like wild boar, when it’s done to provide a meal. And if you don’t agree, but you eat Fried Chicken, hamburgers,steak, bacon ect. Than your a hypocrite. I’d also like to point out that in other country’s, animals like Rats & Cows are viewed as companion animals, while Dogs are ‘food’.LOL, reminds me of my homie out in Hawaii. His filipino nieghbor was always eye’n his dog, and liked to call it “lunch plate.” It’s all relative Roger. For doing something that other guys simply ‘buy a licence’ to do i thought Mike paid a pretty stiff penalty. But like Khalid already pointed out, he knew it was wrong & illegal, he did it anyways, so…he paid the price. He’s human, he made some idiotic decisions, especially for a role model and public figure. But unlike Most celeb’s he apologized profusely, and actually paid a severe price. Wich is something you just don’t see anymore. If there was ever a nucklehead jock that desevred a 2′nd chance (the same chance given to Ray Lewis) it’s Mike. Roger Goodell knows it. Anyone STILL hate’n on mike is a fat hypocrite, or just a hater.

  • Justin

    HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE BROWNS!!! Think about it….Mike Vick and the dogpound! PETA would have officially gone bezerk

  • http://www.dotmatrixproject.com sean coon

    #1 – vick killed at least six dogs himself — from shooting to drowning to electrocuting to slamming on the ground — based on individual testimony of his cohorts. how does that impact you perception of him?

    #2 – most hunters probably *don’t* care about vick’s case either. said different: the majority of people protesting probably don’t hunt.

    #3 – wild animals are hunted for sport to be sure, but also for food and to keep numbers at a manageable number. i don’t even like fishing, but don’t compare the two. it’s intellectually dishonest.

    #4 – if the nfl = dog fighting, michael vick’s *average* career as an NFL quarterback would’ve had him drowned *years ago* by falcon ownership. think on that one for a while.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Two things…. 1, I can’t believe people are taking up for game hunters. I mean c’mon, stop it. There can’t be two different standards. This is madness….2, I forgot to mention all the tragedies associated with the horse racing industry. I won’t get into all of the specifics right now but the information is out there for those who desire it. When’s the last time the Kentucky Derby was protested? Exactly.

  • http://www.shoenut.blogspot.com ShoeNut

    Lets just see if he can do what he does on the field. I bet if he plays really well, nobody will remember or what happened. He just needs to stay out of trouble. If he gets in trouble again, he is truly STUPID and should be banned from the NFL for life.

  • izzo

    Great article, but saying you’re an animal lover and saying you love going to zoos isn’t exactly helping your case. Also the difference between game hunting and dog fighting is like the difference between lethal injection for the death penalty and torture leading to death, both are wrong, but one is much worse, if not in theory, at least in practice.
    The last time the Kentucky Derby was protested was, well the last time the Kentucky Derby happened.

  • commenter #42

    ha! now i’m blocked. didn’t like that last comment, eh khalid? what about point #1 & #4???

    you can bring up all the ills in this world and it still doesn’t make vick’s actions less intolerable. he served his time. the eagles chose to sign him. fine. but don’t try to guilt people who find *his actions* sick into being ok with it and him just ’cause this world is potentially messed up elsewhere.

    i have a pitt/lab mix. i can’t imagine some SOB slamming her to the ground, killing her, because she underperformed in anything. it’s friggin’ psychotic behavior. period. horse racing is messed up, but i don’t recall hearing about people drowning horses because they lose races.

  • http://slamonline Negetivekreep

    #1 Vick killed dogs revelation!!!?? gtfoh.
    #2 Whats ur point?
    #3 SOME wild animals are killed for food. To suggest all others are killed “to keep numbers at a manageable number” is only true in areas were (as john pointed out) “we have killed all the large predators, so deer and other animals no longer have “natural” population control”.(thanks to sport hunting) So that excuse is less than honest, actually it’s ‘intellectually dishonest’. You completely ignore the fact that Killing for sport, is sometimes, quite often just that. Killing for sport. Just like dog fighting. Making the two validly comparable, so get off your soap box. You can put lip stick on a pig, and it’s still a pig. You can paint the pointless killing of a wild animal any color you want, but it’s still the pointless killing of a wild animal. #4 That last comment is just stupid,actually your stupid. And oubviously a ‘hater.’ If you go by his *average* Vick is the most prolific rushing QB in the NFL ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    You hit this on the head, Khalid. Vick was punished. Probably more so than he needed to be, especially in the court of public opinion. Second chances are the name of the game. PETA’s attacks are unfortunate, cause they give no room to let people grow. Same goes for fans and media still attempting to hang Vick. Move on. Deal with your own life and the mistakes you undoubtedly make.

    Signing makes me nervous as a giants fan.

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    This is coming from an Eagles fan: I’d like to see Michael Vick play well in practice this year and take Donovan’s job next season.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Fantastic article.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Cosign that isht

  • http://myspace.com/2grownup2beshownup Jack

    Great article, you takin over! (One city at a time)

    I’m a Falcons fan and a Vick defender, but for those asking why Stallworth gets 24 days in jail for killing a man, while Vick gets 2 for dogfighting, think of the circumstances… Vick initially denied all involvement in the dogfighting ring, and lied to alot of important people to try and cover his ass, while Stallworth immediately stopped, called 911, administered CPR and willingly let the popo test his BAC, and Reyes wasn’t on a pedestrian crossing anyway.

  • davidR

    vick should learn to pilot an airplane to become a dog fighter, just to send a big F u to all the haters.

  • ashtonA

    @ sean coon michel vick was the only one who faced any real jail time all of his “cohorts” got plea deals so their statments can be thrown out the window. the fact of the matter is that mickel vick committed a crime and payed his debut to society. their is no problem with allowing him back into the NFL. he does what thounsands of people wish they could do and contrary to popular belief it is not a privilege to play proffesional sports they work hard just like any other american to earn their pay check if just anybody could do it they wouldnt be making the money that they do. this is what michel vick does to provide for his family this is his carrer something that he has been working on since his little league days and to say that he dosent desrve a second chance is just…wrong. he has delt with public humiliation,bankruptcy,and prison things that any other person charged with the same crime will never have to deal with. so no mickel vick dosent want your dogs he just wants to get back to doing what he does best and that is play football

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Go Eagles

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    I just moved to Virginia, so I was going to become a Redskins fan. Not anymore. Go Eagles.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    I will be an Eagle fan for the rest of my life.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Jack:
    That is still a weak argument. A HUMAN BEING is DEAD because Stallworth decided to drive while drunk. That’s the bottom line.

  • frank

    isn’t this a basketball site? I sure dont care bout no football player.

  • Double-You Jay

    Qyntel Woods

  • http://www.tagged.com/edilvia4sho viaaa

    @ Frank
    Then why would you even bother reading the article?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Great work Khalid!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I want to say, I wholly agree about hunting for game. Its one thing to hunt for survival, in the rural areas of many countries; that I can understand. But killing a bunch of innocent animals to keep their bodies as trophies is stupid, as it is cruel. And about being angry at Michael Vick? I certainly am at his actions, but I agree; a man who’s served his time deserves to be treated like a rehabilitated man. I say this while also being angry at the hunters, the licensing agencies, and the arms dealers that contribute to animal cruelty. So there, that’s that.
    You were on point the entire piece, man. Good stuff.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Eli Manning for MVP!

  • K

    Roger – excellent post.

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/sandydover Sandy Dover

    The crossroads of professional sports, ethnicity, the American media, the criminal justice system and the dynamics of work force unions is what made the Michael Vick saga so compelling and dramatic. I’m just wondering when everyone else will remember to look at all the factors to come to a wholly rational understanding of the right and wrong, good and bad, and the ethos and logos of the situation, as opposed to succumbing to the rash appeal to emotion of this drama.
    Really, Vick was wrong, and the protesters have been wrong in a lot of different areas. The commissioners is worthy of some respect, but he too has erred in being able to administer parallel “justice” to malfeasant players of the NFL, in totality. In the end, dogfighting is sort of like the ethics of abortion–for the most part, I think we all agree that the general prevention of life in most circumstances is morally questionable, if not at the very least somewhat askew, but whether or not it’ll prevent people from carrying on what they feel they want to do is entirely up the individuals. Instead of concentrating of social crucifixion, there needs to be a re-education of life priorities. In the end, Vick is going to have to face Vick, and it’ll be his path alone that determines how he can pay back what he’s taken away with his actions.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Christmas came early this year – a post by Khalid! Thanks for this, I needed it. “Nature did this for millions of years before humans existed and will continue to after we destroy ourselves and the planet is given back to the animals.” – Exactly. “I’ll be impressed when you starting hunting animals that can kill you with your bare hands.” – behind you 100000% Although the Chris Rock bit on bullets is good stuff, it’s actually time to take this debate one step further. I’d put forward that no bullets should be allowed (only exception in the military – and then begrudgingly). When you shoot a person or an animal you should only be able to PUT THEM TO SLEEP – you know like a tranquilizer. For all the “safety” freaks out there you can still defend yourself (actual protection, not killing) and then call the cops to have the culprit picked up. For hunters, if you’re man enough to kill, you do it with your hands (knife). You’ll have put the animal to sleep, now go get bloody and cut its throat. Even cops … no one should be able to kill from yards away – it loses all meaning and relevance. If you can get up close and personal and do it, then you really mean it.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    PS. Please don’t stay away too long Khalid – we need to hear the voice of reason more often around here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Thanks Khalid.

  • hillbilly

    Re: “I’ll be impressed when you starting hunting animals that can kill you with your bare hands.”

    Really? An animal that can kill someone with their own, bare hands?

    Just how high were you when you wrote this nonsense?

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    If we’re all just a part of nature and a by-product of the same cosmic accident, then isn’t a rifle, a dogfighting ring, or a nuclear warhead just part of nature, too? If we’re just part of the food chain as so many people like to believe then there’s no moral dilemma about any of that stuff, because toxic waste, or a warhead, is a product of an animal just like an anthill or cow manure. The act of acknowledging that we’re responsible for our planet, with a moral imperative to be good custodians of it, implies that there is a design, and a Designer.

  • chintao

    Ethical behavior need not be tied to metaphysics.

  • http://slamonline Negetivekreep

    chintao, Sine when did you become an expert on ‘ethical behavior’? LMAO.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Although I agree that Vick deserves a second chance, comparing ALL hunters and dog fighting/abuse is way off base. Especially when you sound like you know so little on the subject, Khalid. Unless your a vegitarian you reallly don’t have a leg to stand on.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    “(even though it seems Vick was only the financial backer and not the actual culprit, he still knew much of what was happening)”-Khalid. I don’t understand how someone can feel so strongly about something when they obviously have little knowledge over the situation. Vick has openly admitted that he violently killed losing dogs by slamming them to the ground and drowning them himself. I don’t think he should be crucified for his actions and I completely agree that he has paid his debt and people should move on, but when someone tries to defend what he did and deflect blame from Vick himself it only riles up the crazies even more.

  • Jesse

    It’s up to the Law to release someone after serving time for animal cruelty.

    But I would expect a professional sports league not to support someone who has done something so heinous.

    Three years in prison is NOTHING for torturing and abusing God’s creatures like Michael Vick did. Forgiveness should come after repenting: something Vick has not shown us.

    I have no personal interest in animal rights. I am not biased. I simply believe in living in accordance with the law, and retribution for breaking the law. Justice has not been served here. Not only has Vick been released after torturing and murdering innocent creatures, but he’s once again a celebrity with an obscene income, idolized by millions???

    I truly cannot believe that the NFL would allow such a disgusting human being to return to be praised as a sports hero again. I am shocked and appalled at the NFL’s decision to allow Vick to return to the league. Once a fan of the Eagles, I personally can no longer support them or the NFL.

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Thanks for the comment, Jesse. My dog and I will be watching every Vick game we can and cheering for him all the way.

  • matt parkey

    i completely agree with you 110% i love animals just as much and if u wanna hunt u do it with ur bare hands like animals do.

  • Steve Lindell

    Yeah, I agree as well, but when will they let the guy play, been a sideline kinda season for him, I didn’t switch teams to watch my guy sit and get even rustier than he already is. He is a superstar and should get the chance to help the team as well.

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