Friday, September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  110 responses

Top 50: Andre Iguodala, no. 26

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Khalid Salaam

So now what? That’s the question right? I mean in regards to Andre Iguodala. What happens now? Is there another level in him? Or is this it? When I say “this” I mean averages of 18, 6 and 5 and better-than-average (though not elite) defense. If this is it, that’s cool, but Sixers fans neAndre Iguodalaed a definitive answer this season.

Last year would have been nice too but Elton Brand’s injury put a pain on the whole team and guys played out of position. Except Iguodala doesn’t really have a position. On NBA.com he listed as a “guard-forward” which seems cool and versatile but is quietly suspect. He’s not a shooting guard, not with a 30 percent three-point average and a 72 percent average from the charity stripe. Not with a shaky handle, he’s not. And when I say shaky, I don’t mean he gets ripped on the regular. And I don’t mean he can’t blow past players… because he can. He just can’t dribble and execute plays at the same time. If he dribbles and has to look up for too long, a bad play usually ensues. But his handle is strong enough for his own needs.

When he doesn’t have to initiate any offensive sets, he’s athletic enough that his first step gets him past his defender and his second step gets him over whoever is guarding the basket. Once there, he’s dunking. And nobody outside of Wade has his dunk arsenal. He’s an intimidating, nasty dunker. But damn these dunks man. Damn them. When defenses collapse on him, he can’t shoot over them consistently enough. So he’s not a shooting guard. And the Sixers need a great shooting guard to get to the next level.

He’s a small forward. Except that the Sixers have one of those in Thad Young. Though Young can’t defend like Dre, he’s a solid rebounder and has a much cleaner offensive game. Because his offensive ceiling is higher, you’d like to keep Young at that spot. Last year out of injury desperation Thad played power forward and played respectably, but when Elton Brand comes back, Thad has to move back to his natural position (and no, Brand cannot play center. Seriously. The answer is no). Where does that leave Iguodala?

Only the Sixers brass knows and, honestly, who knows if they know. With the hiring and firing of yet another coach this offseason, you can’t trust that they have any understanding of what the heck is going on in the real world. It’s like Glenn Beck is running the team (I digress…).

The thing is keeping Iguodala isn’t a bad option. I gave the cons first because, well, I wanted to, but here are the pros… He’s brilliant on the break and finishes with authority damn near every time he can. He’s an effective defender. Strong enough to body most wing players, quick enough to stay in front of all of them and willing to take on the other team’s star player each and every night. He never misses a game. Last year he played in all 82 games, the year before the same thing. He’s willing to take the last and the tough shots. He has great anticipation, so he’s vicious in the passing lanes.

It’s the lack of a varied offensive repertoire that holds him back. If he had a real half court move, he’d break the top 20. But alas, he doesn’t, and that hole in his game hasn’t closed at all during his career.

Last season the team was exposed because of its half-court deficiency and though the team tried to address it over the summer (Kapono), it remains not just an Achilles heel but, in fact, a stress fracture. The Sixer roster is essentially full of specialists and the two guys who have more than one skill play the same position (I’m not counting Brand in this equation. Gotta see him play first…). It seems this is crossroads year for Iguodala, one that determines whether his career plays out in Philly or somewhere else.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • rikson

    “Might work on bron, but you guys should know he already doesnt know how to shoot. -”

    Thats a joke! Im not a Lebron fan, but his shooting skills has improved dramatically. Right now, defenders have to respect his J…. Imagine Iggy with the same improvement!

  • Sparker

    always a pleasure to read whatever khalid writes

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    wow, dial up. just wow. every single sentence of your last post was incorrect. shane is an excellent defender. putting your hand in someone’s face will affect his shooting. going for the ball is a stupid play at the nba level. shane guards the best players very well. he can’t stop lebron (you can’t stop elite wings, just make them work hard and not go off above their avg). / iggy would be at best a third or even fourth option on the elite nba teams (orl, lal, cle, bos, san an, den). 26th? please. the write up is an excellent assessment of his game, it just doesn’t justify him being 26th.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I remember when a lot of people said it was Iverson that prevented Iggy from blossoming on offense. Yep, I remember that.
    It was always the jumper and the handle. Always.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    funny thing about bron: journos always talk about his broken jumper and yet guys don’t really back off on him and crowd him like crazy on the perimeter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    While I still question whether Iggy will have a better season than a healthy Manu, I can respect this ranking since he’s not in the top 25. I would have had a problem with that for real. 26th feels high, but I can’t think of too many players below him that I think are better.
    What’s funny is that Iggy and Rudy Gay are damn near the same player with different attitudes.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Allenp, I feel that Caron is way better.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Z
    That’s because you don’t want to give Lebron too much cushion and let him get a full head of steam on a drive. You want to make him move laterally more when he’s driving because if you back off and he works up his momentum, he kills you given the fouls rules today. Bodying up, particularly within the three point line, prevents him from living at the foul line.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    Allenp, then again, Rudy has that sweet stroke!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Z
    Given that the “criteria” for the list was projected performance, I can see the logic for going with a young and hungry Igoudala over Caron. I can see someone assuming that Caron would be injured yet again while Igoudala would grow as a leader and player.
    Klav
    Rudy has a nicer stroke, but both of them are crazy streaky. Igoudala is just more willing to do the little things than Rudy and less likely to pout. I think that’s going to be a really interesting dynamic in Memphis next year because Rudy and Mayo had some serious problems sharing the ball. And now they’ve added Zack and Iverson? Crazy.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, actually Iggy reminds me a lot of Drexler (without Terry Porter passing him the ball, of course)

  • UnRel

    this is way too high.. this list isn’t about how good they are.. or whatever… but how good they will be in 09-10… i’ll take LO, Caron, Manu (healthy or not), Ray Allen.. and quite a few other dudes that have already been listed.. but whatever.. Iggy is a tweener.. which is sad.. cause it’s not because of his body type.. but his skill set.. can’t dribble/can’t shoot.. can’t be a guard.. too small to be a true forward… bottom line.. he’s only on the list cause he’s on a playoff team…

  • http://mbenga-mblog.blogspot.com/ vmcb

    Iguodala is one of my favourite players. His game winners are ice cold. He sure would look good in a Raptors jersey, too. *sigh*

  • SIXERSBOB

    Im not trying to compare the sixers to any title team, but the pistons a few years back were full of specialists too. They had a good team defense and a few scorers that can drop 20ppg. Sixers have the same scoring talent and have driven players that can implement a good team defense (now that A Miller left to go back-up steve blake). There are not many guys in the league that have the all around “good” talent that Iggy has. Hes the type of player, in the right system, that helps win championships.

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    I’m a big Iggy fan, and he doesn’t get burned when doing the big balls dance. Still, don’t know if he is better than Tough Juice

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    Nah, Clyde was way more fluid even if his handle was atrocious. Clyde had a finesse game, even while he was dunking on cat’s heads. Plus, he understood positioning better, and was decent from mid-range with the jumper. I mean, Clyde average around 25 a game if I’m not mistaken and he was up around 50 percent shooting a couple years. Iggy couldn’t do that in his dreams.

  • tavoris

    u right, Allenp

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    Great write-up khalid. I’m with you on this. Iggy was never supposed to be the man. He was an athletic tweener brought in to play alongside ai. Ai left and they snatch brand who btw i think is way overrated. He was left to hold the fort and became a superstar by default. He’s grown into his role and will only get better. Clutch as vc, david west and hedo. His 3 against the lakers last season while down 2 with a sec to go was impressive. His response after the game,that you can’t go to ot against la at staples cause you’ll lose so he wanted to end it on that play. That response shows maturity and supreme confidence which is a required trait for all the superstars. His passing is way underrated too. He gets that jumper down and he’s the closest player resembling bron’s game but still a distant second. I’d pay good money to see him play.

  • http://morethanpractice.wordpress.com ja lawrence

    Definitely not better than Caron Butler. Sometimes Iguodala’s game is just… clumsy and all over the place.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Here’s the way I interpret this list. If there was a draft now made up of the entire league and the only point of that draft was to win a championship next year, who would be picked and in what order. Now, of course you will be basing your decsion off of their past performances but the only thing that matters is next year. That being said, I’d take about 10-12 guys who’ve already been listed before Iggy.

  • http://www.myspace.com/mcnarrative Kieran

    I like Andre, but this is definately a good few place too high. If he works hard on his weaknesses during the off season every year then he could be scary.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Co-sign B.Long – I’ve never been too impressed with Iggy, although admittedly I haven’t watched him play a whole lot either.

  • J-City

    Still can’t believe my Raps draft Hoffa over this guy. Anyway, he’s my favorite player in the league. Freakishly athletic and a terror in the passing lanes. Terrific all around game too and very underrated passer. The only problem I have with him is he seems to be passive alot of the time he’s out there. He just stands there and doesn’t do anything unless he knows the play is designed for him. This may become a bigger problem once Brand is back because if you look at last year’s stats, Iggy really stunk until EB got hurt. Andre Miller also gave him alot of easy lobs and passes, it’s yet to be seen if Lou can do the same.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    This is a great freakin’ piece, Khalid. Love the way you painted the multiple aspects of his game-both good and bad. And I wouldn’t have been mad if your Glenn Beck digression continued, either. For another time, I guess.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    dial up clearly doesn’t know basketball. Trying to argue that Shane Battier is a bad defender is like saying Dominique Wilkins can’t dunk. Or Reggie Miller can’t shoot. I really did not expect anyone to ACTUALLY try to argue that.

  • will

    I watch a lot of this guy and this is one of those situations where 26 seems really high since he can still be a bit erratic at times. I still didn’t consider him “the man” in Philly last year because Andre Miller ran that squad. Still, I can’t make a great argument for the guys right below him on the list to be placed higher due to age (Shaq, Ray) or injuries (Manu). Other guys are secondary players like Iggy that you can’t make a huge distinction between their worth (D West, Caron) so it’s sort of a matter of “pick one”. If he can put all of his skills together and work well with Brand, he just might justify this.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Co-sign Z @ 12:00pm

  • http://www.slamonline.com JL

    too high for this guy. He’s got a shaky handle, no outside shot, almost top end defense, ok passer… but very athletic. that gets you to no. 26?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Devin Harris over Andre Iguodala? Really? But I still think that Iggy is overrated on this list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And I’d like to apologize for my blind Rondo arguments yesterday. I had some horrible evidence to back up my Rondo-Rose standpoint, and I’m sorry for letting bias start a stupid argument.

  • JESUS

    MANU GINOBILI > ANDRE IGUODALA

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    I think this is the first ranking where the concensus is that his ranking is overrated in the top 50. And no SOFOKLIS to argue how there are 2429943824923 international players better than him because he’s a “track & field” athlete who doesn’t know how to play basketball because he can’t shoot. And it’s a Friday, today is quite interesting.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Versatility can be a curse if you’re versatile but not extremely outstanding at a single thing, and that’s Iggy’s problem. Decent handles, so-so shooter, all right passer. His greatest strength is his athleticism, but without the offensive mind to utilize it, that goes underutilized too.

  • http://slamonline.com 360vue

    26 is too high. i mean if you work on the basis that you take the best player from every team in the league, and LA, BOS, ORL, SAS and maybe even CLE have have several players who could be aruged to be top 30, i would say that iggy falls shy of making the grade you’ve given him. But to those who argue about his skill set when quite obviously u barely even watch the guy, i mean really, its all good to express your opinion and stuff but dont facilitate fallous views that arent even remotely true. ive read that he cant pass, he cant handle, he cant shoot in these comments??!

    that dude can pass, and hes underrated for it. miller ran the team last few years and before that AI got fed the ball 80% of the plays so the majority will barely have seen him make more than ten passes.
    and the kid does have a J, its just not all star J, which is what he was tipped to be a few years ago. You could argue its average, but an avg J for a swing forward in the NBA is still a bloody good jump in all reality. He’s not a long range shooter, but if hes on a streak he can knock down deep treys and buzzer beaters without a blink of the eye. and to be honest, who needs an impeccable J when you can demolish people on your way to the basket like he can? just because he has a solid all round game doesnt make him weak in certain things solely because he doesnt excel like you notice other superstars.

    basically, most of u either need to watch him play or just stfu because u dont really know what ur talkin about. but still, even as philly fan, too high a ranking, but not bad enough of a rank to deserve all the slate its getting. hes better than Manu and Caron, and putting Shaqs indominatable play in the past to one side, hes better rank than shaq as hes nearly a decade younger.
    and lets not forget, this list is for fun, so a few need to breathe
    —-
    As a philly fan though, i will defend this ranking against the doubters by saying 20/6/5/2 in the NBA is never to be sniffed at, and some of you are scoffing at it.

  • jdn41

    i love slam and all but i wish the website was more multi media like each player ranking should have a clip of their highlights and ish that’d be dope or a theme song for each player i dont know anything

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    What a great way to interpret the list, B.Long. And yup, Iggy is way too high on it.

  • http://slamonline Akira

    LOUIS WILLIAMS CAN PLAY AT PG POSITION HE’S NOT A BAD PLAYER

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    I actually think (hope) Arenas will make a big comeback, so if we were drafting a la Brad’s interpretation, I’d draft Gil a lot higher than his placing on this list. At the same time, I can’t really say that I have a problem with him being so low what with all his injuries.

  • http://sdfghh.com Jukai

    teddy, agreed. It literally is on that level of ridiculousness

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Z: I know what you mean. Its the same thing when people call Iverson a bad shooter because of his shooting percentage. At the end of the day NO defender is going to feel comfortable backing off of Iverson and letting him shoot an open jumper.
    With LeBron its a little different because as you said, he’ll drive on you even/especially if you give him a cushion.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Which is actually why Ron Artest is probably best suited at containing LeBron James. Artest has the strength to body up on him around the perimeter.

  • Furious

    the reason people say lebron has a problem with his shot is that he shot 34% from 3 last year. and that was the second best in his career.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I never knew a small forward had to shoot 3′s like Ray Allen to be considered having a good jumpshot. I guess what Bernard King had was just, what, a reliable “long-distance layup?”

  • AJBALLER

    whos number 1 ill say kode over lebron and d.wade even though i hat kobe

  • AJBALLER

    hey guys its chaunceys billups b-day today its also scottie pippens b-day today and my moms

  • http:///realcavsfans.com Anton

    I am electrified by Glenn Beck

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    34% is not that bad actually. Kobe goes 34-35% from deep too. You’re considered an elite shooter at 40%. / Artest has the strenght but not the footspeed. Rip Hamilton said this during the playoffs, people always talk about Bron’s strenght and hops… but he’s also the fastest guy in the league from baseline to baseline.

  • Steve

    So will the Bucks be the only club without a player in the top 50. No way Redd can be in over Iggy.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Z: I’m talking about along the perimeter. On the fast break and in the open court LeBron is virtually unstoppable. But with Artest bodying up on him around the perimeter he’ll have to move laterally as you said. With Kobe ready to double up and two bigs down low, he’s going to have a hard time against the Lakers. Look, we’ve already seen the results of Artest on LeBron. He isn’t going to completely shut out LeBron, but 21 points and 0 assists is the best ANYBODY in the league can do. That’s what I’m saying; great wing players are always going to get theirs, but the player BEST SUITED to containing (not stopping) LeBron James is Ron Artest (and probably Shane Battier). What is there to argue?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    100.

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