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Thursday, August 20th, 2009 at 9:10 am  |  40 responses

Report: Memphis to Forfeit 38-Win Record

Specifics will be released today following an NCAA investigation into the ’07-08 runners-up, and don’t expect the information to be good: “The University of Memphis is expecting the release of a report from the NCAA Committee on Infractions on Thursday in which its men’s basketball program will be forced to forfeit a record 38 victories and 2008 Final Four appearance, a source close to the situation confirmed to The Commercial Appeal on Wednesday night. Memphis received a notice of allegations from the NCAA in January alleging major violations during the 2007-08 season under former coach John Calipari. The most serious allegation was that former Tiger point guard Derrick Rose had a stand-in take the SAT for him, thus making him retroactively ineligible. Memphis also was cited for failure to monitor its charter airplane, as investigators found $2,260 in unpaid travel expenses by Rose’s brother, Reggie Rose.”

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  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Forfeiting past results is such a lame punishment. If they really want to punish the school and the coach, take away scholarships (from Memphis and from Kentucky since Calipari is there now).

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    wouldn’t a punishment like that require a time machine?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    I got some calls into my boys at Memphis for some official word.

    Agreed with Jeff, but it still sucks that kids (18-20 yr olds) get caught up in adult’s dirty work. Not that Memphis has many scholarship guys right now. They won the lottery in landing Duke’s Eliot Williams.

    Not that Rose was interested in going to college anyway (thank you 1-year-rule)

    I am planning a post-Coach Cal feature for a future Cub Scouts column.

    Just chatted up a SLAM favorite from an ACC team yesterday. Cub Scouts to return next week.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Its not like they can mind wipe everyone . You can take the wins away but everyone is still going to know they won’t those games.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I blame the no-high-schoolers-allowed-to-enter-Draft rule. Also, I’m very excited for the return of Cub Scouts.

  • Joe

    If I were a fan of a college, I’d be pretty bummed if they had their wins cleared out. It might not mean much for Memphis since they didn’t even win the championship. But I’m a Kansas fan, and if their wins got vacated, that means their championship is effectively gone. That would suck if that happened.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I blame everybody. Cal for being a scumbag, Rose for cheating, the NCAA for being stagnant and reactive.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Wow! What power the NCAA has. Can they hook a brotha up and erase a couple of sketchy choices I made in the past re: scheming girlfriends? I got a few of those I’d like to scratch off the record books. Can they cease to exist retroactively in my mind and the minds of my boys who keep giving me snit?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Co-sign Ben, too. LET THE KIDS THAT DON’T WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE JUMP STRAIGHT TO THE PROS. The game is now a travesty when you have so-called student-athletes that can’t even pass an SAT, have no incentive to go to class because they won’t stay more than one year and don’t even have a major. I cringe everytime I see a bio on TV that mentions ”major: undecided”.

  • http://dsjklf.com Jukai

    You can blame “the adults” as much as you want… but did Rose REALLY think that was a good f*cking idea? Jesus…

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    they should actually make that a major

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    Well said Jukai and Freedom Fries

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    While Churchill thinks that “History is written by the victors,” the NCAA is proving that “Historians can unwrite victories” – ultra mega supra lame.

  • Joe

    By the way, that puts Kansas at the top of the list in college basketball history with 37 wins in 2008.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    I know of two current vet NBA pgs that had SAT issues out of HS. So, who knows how they remedy those problems?!?

    I’ll repeat myself and others, Rose didn’t want to go to college.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    So what if the quality of play is not as great without the one and done’s? The highest level will always be in the NBA and that’s not why people are watching the college games. If you get rid of the rentals, the college game can go back to building dynasties with rivalries between identifiable players that you’d be able to watch develop over 2-3 years like CWebb and Laettner. That’s what the NCAA is supposed to be about.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    BTW, I’m really down on Rose. He lied and cheated and then lied some more. That’s worse than taking money from street agents, IMO. I’m disappointed.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    I don’t think it’s that terrible what he did. The current system would have jeopardized his future had he not been eligible. They were pimping him (by essentially forcing his career to go through colleege) so he pimped them back. He did what was best for him and now he’s in the pro league where he belongs. I agree with what Z said about the way college basketball is constructed nowadays. The NCAA and NBA are just asking for that cheating stuff to happen. They should wake up and realize that college sports stopped being about amateurism when they started broadcasting it to millions of people and making billions off it.

  • Getmoney

    Wow they sure don’t have this problem in baseball or hockey or golf or any other sport other than the ones where the athletes are predominantely white. THINGS THAT MAKE U GO HMMMM….

  • http://dsjklf.com Jukai

    Cub & Hisham: I don’t really want to drive speed limit. I want to go as fast as I want; the speed limit on that street was pointless. Still, the officer didn’t really seem to understand and wrote me a ticket. Sucks. Not my fault though, right?

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    @ Bryan. Yes, The NCAA is secretly down with the Men in Black.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jalen Rose, Chris Webber, Jimmy King, Juwan Howard, and Ray Jackson feel Memphis’s pain.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    it doesnt matter, at all. This was done so NCAA big wigs could sleep at night. Im not going to forget that crazy run and the NCAA isnt going to refund all the money to fans they made off Memphis merchandise/they wont refund the advertisiers money that was paid for the tv broadcast side of the game/wont refund anyones tickets. So, on paper it says this didnt happen, but i think we all know it did, and the NCAA has your money to prove it. This is all hipocritacal and irrelvant. Every single ‘big name’ college in the ocuntry violates recruting standards in every single sport, the NCAA just picks and choses its battles.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Wow, Im not BETCATS but all his info popped up in my “submit comment” section. Its not the NCAAs fault whatsoever. Yes the rule may not fit everyone, but it exists, and therefore if you break it you get punished. I hated taking the SAT but it is not THAT hard to get a qualifying score. They LOWERED the standards so KIDS LIKE DERRICK ROSE could qualify!!! He CHEATED, and people are still making excuses for him.

  • Scu11y

    @ Getmoney:

    Are you continuing the point that it’s down to the 1 year rule?(the sports you listed don’t ‘force’ people to go to college/europe)

    or are you just an ignorant fool?

  • JoeMaMa

    …and a round of applause for Jeremy Tyler.

  • http://www.shoenut.blogspot.com ShoeNut

    That sucks. I really like D Rose, he doesn’t seem like a cat that would do something like that. But I guess we just don’t know.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    i agree with whomever posted as betcats who apparently isnt betcats

  • http://dsjklf.com Jukai

    I agree with Tarzan agreeing with whomever posted as BETCATS who apparently isn’t BETCATS

  • donovan

    Doug Gottlieb on SportsCenter this morning asked if anyone in the Rose family cares if Rose can read or write.

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    Hey Z don’t forget that thanks to the NCAA Webber Laetner never actually took place either!

  • Joe

    The NCAA isn’t saying those games didn’t happen, they’re saying they won’t count. So for official records and all that, those wins aren’t going to count towards those records.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Yo in about 2 years, just copy and paste this exact same story but delete DERRICK ROSE and replace it with JOHN WALL.

  • http://www.sprint.com/sero dma

    brandon jennings and derek rose are laughing all the way to millions.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Jukai, I am blaming the rule maker (here actually the NBA) not the “enforcer.”

    Legislative v. executive

    I am not making excuses for DRose, just pointing out that the real issue here is not the NCAA, nor the “student-athlete.”

  • http://dsjklf.com Jukai

    Cub: True, but to deny this shines a negative light on Rose (and rightfully so) seems a bit biased. If he had been caught DURING the college season, the punishment could have been drastic. He was dumb to risk it.

  • Big E

    I’m guessing the college rule has been enforced by the NBA because Stern doesn’t want a bunch of athletic dummies running willy nilly in his league.

  • that dude

    This is really harsh for whoever is getting punished…

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Why are you all being so naïve. “The ACT” yada yada . . . . Neither the NCAA nor professional sports give a crap about their employees well being, education, business acumen, financial stability…. They only care about physical performance. Anyone who says or thinks otherwise must not live too much of their life on planet earth. Pro clubs in Europe take kids under their wing at ages like 13 and they split their time between hard core training and real world education. Maybe they won’t be so strong in geometry or the like but they get education that will help them as their careers progress (finances) and beyond. See it’s tailored for a future pro athlete NOT a potential future ACT/SAT genius. Unrealistic and incompatible expectations will mean that this type of scenario repeats itself ad nauseam in the future.

  • Maya

    I blame the Rule that you have to go to college before going to the pros,this is why great players like Mayo,Rose,Love,Beasley,Bayless and other great players left college to fufill there dream of playing in the NBA and Rose,why didn’t he take the test,if he did,nobody would be in this mess and the NCAA don’t care about the Athletes nor the College,they only care about the cash

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