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Friday, August 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am  |  130 responses

Jeremy Tyler Makes History, Signs in Israel

A few months ago, Jeremy Tyler announced that he would be skipping his senior year of high school to play in Europe. According to an early report, from an Israeli newspaper, the 6-11 would-be high school senior has agreed to a deal with Maccabbi Haifa. Haifa, owned by Jeff Rosen, an American, is now a part Tyler’s trailblazing attempt to make the NBA while skipping a year of HS and all of college.

Last year’s Israeli Premier League runner-up, Haifa (formerly the Haifa Heat) had one of the best American players in Israel last year in Davon Jefferson (USC), and returns a strong lineup.

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  • Ken

    He’s like the Bizarro Omri Casspi.

  • http://www.CityLeagueHoops.TV Ty Kish

    Check out Jared Sullinger another top recruit in the class of 2010.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLduYsEyEhk

  • Kas

    Israel is not in Europe. The question if Israel is a legit country is not for this site

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    That’s a helluva a foreign exchange student program.

  • Daniel

    Israel is not a legit country though.

  • Kas

    thank you Daniel. I wonder what your average right-wing american would say if one of your up-and-coming ballers would decide to forego college to play in Iran or North Korea for a year.

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    I’m not expecting an intelligent response from the rif raf on this comments board, but I am interested to know why you do not consider Israel a legit country?

  • Kas

    cause they aint. Unintelligent enough for you? No, really, because it was awarded to the jews after WW2 (and they deserved it, dont get me wrong), but instead of being grateful and living in peace they have over and over again used excessive force against palestinians to gain control over even bigger territories. But, lets not do this here. I’m in iso because of swine flu and haven’t been outside for almost two weeks, so I’m starting to lose my mind a little bit, pursuing political discussions on a basketball site. Bottom line is, I think this kid should at least finish high school!

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    I agree on the finishing high school point, not your ignorant views of Israel. Best of luck with the swine flu – I guess that’s one advantage of being a Jew and not eating pork!

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I agree with Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain on Kas’s ignorant view of Israel, but not about the High School point. Just saying.

  • Kas

    well, you don’t get it from eating pork, i got it from a hussy in greece. My friend is a jew and he doesn’t condone Israels ways

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    I am not a Jew or Israeli though currently living and playing ball in Israel and I definitely do not condone Israels ways and the peoples lack of manners. It is still a legit country though.

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    Had to take there didn’t you guys? Israel is a democratic country that has never in its history committed an act of aggression or act of war on another country based on religious belief. Israel is surrounded by Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Yemen etc. etc. all of which are committed to the destruction of Israel as a matter of policy. Those countries fund Palestinian terror. Islamic Mullahs and Islamic law are clear that they won’t stop until Israel is destroyed. This issue is about more than Israel occupying Palestinian territory with force. It’s about a campaign to slowly chip away at public perception of Israel until the Mullahs and radical Islam have free reign to destroy Israel. It’s not about Palestinian freedom, it’s about Israel’s destruction, and you’re helping it along with TRENDY bull#hit ideas. .

  • Kas

    ghost of… – ok, I can live with that.
    doyouwantmore- hahahaha

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    I just wanted to add that that wasn’t a post in any way against Islam itself, but the interpretation of it that some use to justify fascist ideas about hating other religions and ethnicities like Judaism, America, and Christianity. Personally I think the average Palestinian and the average Israeli could get along just fine if certain people would drop their fundamentalism and listen to each other.

  • http://luxurycondosnow.com Graham

    If you grow up all your life wanting to play basketball. Why shouldn’t you pursue your career, every other career in America will allow you to be a professional when you’re ready other than basketball. It’s a bit unreasonable.

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    doyouwantmore – have you ever lived or even visited any of the countries you mentioned? If Bruno can’t bring peace to the middle east then no-one can

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Graham – I can see where you are coming from, but if he does not make it or gets injured, which is highly likely, what will he have to fall back on with a limited education?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Doyouwantmore: Having lived in Israel for a short period of time, I can say with a guarenteed amount of certainty that it goes far beyond dropping their “fundamentalism” TRUST ME.

  • Kas

    hahahaha wilt. But of course, this, like everything else has two sides. I would agree with your last post doyouwantmore, if you would admit that Israel uses their religion to do just the same, justifying their abuse because they are the “chosen people”.

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Lebron is the Chosen One. I wonder if he is a closet Jew?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Kas: That was the most ignorant thing you’ve said so far, and that’s saying something. Israel has never used their religion to justify their aggressions on other countries. They’ve used a LOT of excuses, but never religion. I’m guessing your religious background right now…

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Excuse me while I correct that statement— Israel as a government. There are a lot of crazy setlers in the West Bank area (not nice people by any stretch of the imagination) who think it is there land and will shoot everyone, including the Israeli government, who tries to take it because they are OWED the land being the choosen people.
    My statement was only about the Israeli GOVERNMENT.

  • Kas

    I’m an atheist. And I’m biased, seeing as one of my friends’ family was forced out of Palestine by Israel, using violence

  • Kas

    and by Israel, I mean the state of Israel

  • Kas

    But I guess there’s only one way to settle this: 3-point shooting contest.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Kas: and this was done solely because Israelis are Jews and they are the Choosen people?

  • JoeMaMa

    “Jeremy Tyler Makes History, Sign in Israel” And peanut gallery descends into political opinions that have nothing to do with drop steps or dribble drives. The humanity!!!!

  • Omri

    Seems like a done deal. Another confirmation from Israel: http://www.safsal.co.il/earticle.aspx?id=14743

  • Kas

    I really don’t know. I’ve been the centre of attention for a while now, and created some havoc in your conservative minds. My work here is done. All I know is that the sooner this conflict is resolved, the better, and I sure as he11 have no idea how to resolve this 2000-year old conflict. But I do believe that both Israeli and Palestinian leaders often are really close-minded, and their way of running government is way to based on religion. and that’s never a good thing

  • Joe

    I agree that Israel should give back all the land they gained in the wars against their neighbours. They should do this right AFTER the U.S.A. gives back Texas to Mexico.

  • Stickz

    He is gonna finish high school, just overseas. That’s what people don’t get. It’s not like he is dropping out.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Kas: Although a Jew, I am not openly supporting Israel right now. I thought Olmert was a cancer for the region and worsened it drastically, and thanks to his inept policies, a dinosaur like Netanyahu was elected (who, at the time, was good for Israel, but only will do harm now).
    I just think your ‘ideas’ of Israel are sort of way off based and do seem biased. Especially not considering it a country.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ao619 Armando

    I AM FROM SAN DIEGO AND I KNOW FOR A FACT JEREMY TYLERS SISTER WORKED AT A GAS STATION!!!! PROPS TO HIM FOR GETTIN HIS $$$$$$$$!

  • Kas

    would a legit country not go by UN-regulations concerning warfare(they used white phosfore[don't know if that's the name for it in English, but still..]) That is illegal. But yes, I am biased, and therefore shouldn’t really be having this discussion. But it was fun though, blowing off a little steam.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Israel is a legit country. The conflict goes beyond one-sided faults.

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Stickz – Is he fluent in Hebrew or is he doing high school via correspondence?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good luck to this kid for having guts and playing pro-ball early.

  • Amsterdamned

    The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain : dude, you do know that eatig pork is not the way you can catch swine flu…

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Kas: Well, hate to break it to you, but the USA wasn’t entirely following UN-regulations recently either at Guantanamo.
    But anyway, it was good to have an intelligent discussions. Later man.

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    It can only end one of two ways really. 1.Israel as a nation is destroyed, because the Mullahs who dictate Sharia law in the Middle East can’t change their minds about this. If you think peace treaties or negotiations will work then you don’t understand the concept of ‘Hudna’. Radical muslims don’t believe they are morally bound to any peace treaty with a non-muslim and that a peace treaty is simply another tool to use against the enemy.
    2. The Mullahs who dictate Sharia law and radical Islam itself is finally put to rest, because of generations of hate and propaganda against Judaism, Christianity, and America. That hate is ingrained so deeply in Palestinian, Saudi, Syrian, etc. cultures that peace seems to be only possible after a total victory against radical Islam. That’s why there’s no peace without victory. Wishy-washy types naively wonder why we can’t just stop being so ‘oppressive’ to our enemies, while those enemies plan for nothing but victory.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah, political discussions get a little annoying on basketball message boards. Like the one I had with Jukai yesterday, that we continued today…

  • Kas

    I know, and this might not be a shocker – except for NBA, lil wayne and dunkin donuts Im not a big fan of the USA. Although you guys seem to be going in the right direction

  • Caseworker

    That’s all true because probably Israel and Islam can’t coexist. It’s not possible.

  • Ajo

    damn, wonder if Twersky is reading these comments

  • M-rod

    Armando, how do u know Jeremy Tyler?

  • doyouwantmore

    My co-workers are bugging me to get in on this discussion now, and it’s definitely not basketball-related at all, so I’m out. I just remembered why basketball is way better than politics.

  • blackice87

    kas you like lil wayne….. your arguments are no longer valid. ahah

  • Kas

    whatev, all i know is that he can really rap. Best rapper ever IMO. But I dont take my values from music or other types of entertainment. It is just entertainment. If i did I would be screwed, cause Im also a fan of family guy.

  • Josh D

    Isreal ain’t a country in Europe, but the rest of the countries in the middle east hate them so much they refuse to play them in sporting competition, so in Sports, Isreal is European

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And y’all have the nerve to complain about me and race?
    For shame…

  • Josh D

    Whats the big fuss about him leaving high school, he’ll finish his Education in Israel, and he wasn’t going to progress basketball wise in the US anyway

  • http://www.blogs.myspace.com/originadro Witness

    Are we seriously talkin about how the Jews were inslaved by the Egyptians? Jeremy “The Pharaoh” Tyler.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Tyler is not skipping HS. He is absolutely going to get his degree while playing for Haifa. The education point is moot.

  • Tong Po

    These are the most muy intellegente comments I’ve ever seen on SLAM and mi no hablo espanol! But yea Jew’s can be a**holes and so can arabs. Samoan’s are the realist!

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  • andy singh

    the british bought most of the land israel in 1947-48 became, look it up. The Jews run most of the financial jobs, the highest of the entertainment industry, the highest of most of the nba industry, most of the perservative added food industry….an so on so don’t hate cause people rise to the top

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  • thechosen1

    i loved Kas’ comment, about how israel used execive force to gain more and more lands…
    get your facts straight before you comment! in 1947 israel was attacked by Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt. israel won that war, and gained concquered territories. in 1963, israel started a preventetive war after Egyptian and Syrian forces were mobelizing towards israel, the war lasted 6 days, in which israel concquered a large portion of Egypt which was later given back in a peace treaty with Egypt initiated by Israel. in 1973, once again Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, but again, israel prevailed. those were the wars that Israel used “execive force to gain more and more lands”… ha!

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Some of this is pretty intelligent, but not all. Hard to tell if our comment guidelines have had any effect yet…I know I like them though.

  • baywarrior

    first of all,its sad that this story had to be made into a political forum. that being said, since it seems everyone else has chimed in, heres the deal.

    1) israel has given land for peace (i.e. disengagement from gaza) only to be barraged with rockets everyday in the southern part. it shrinks its borders for peace only to be attacked time after time again by terror groups
    2) Unlike particular countries in that area who run fake elections and stifle any dissent whatsoever (iran,cough,cough), Israel has the freedom of press, religion, sexual orientation, etc. whereas members of my synagouge (or their families had to flee iraq,iran,egypt,libya, or syria because they were jewish..
    3) israel is currently threatened by terrorist governments who believe it is more beneficial to their people by killing innocent civilians in buses, malls, pizza parlors instead of striving towards peace. in addition, it faces a looming iran whose president is a holocaust denier and wishes of obliterating israel if given the chance.

  • AlbertBarr

    I think this comment thread has vaguely stayed within your guidelines…so far.

  • AlbertBarr

    But congrats to Jeremy, political drama or no, he is going to have a hell of a time in Israel and I support his decision. Highschool is kind of a joke in this country right now. I have been out for seven years and I am JUST recovering from what that ish did to me.

  • AlbertBarr

    Maybe you should have Jeremy do a little piece in slam each issue this year about his time in Israel…that would be tight…or put it here at Slamonline..

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    College, I’ll forgive. But skipping High School? Let’s just say he better be taking classes in Israel.

  • AlbertBarr

    I know many people who didnt finish their highschool education because it didnt fit who they were. They couldnt function within its rules and boundaries when they were designed to keep from doing what they KNEW they wanted. Example: My old boss Mark Brown, he stopped going to highschool because of behavior issue. The issue was that he knew he could do better. He started a landscaping business and by 18 had more money coming every year than the principal who told him he would amount to nothing. He eventually got his GED and built several more businesses. I am not saying that everyone should bypass highschool, I am just saying that some people dont really need to bother. And if Jeremy were to need a GED or something later, I am sure he could get it. I just dont see what the big deal is. EVen if he doesnt do school overseas. WHat did you all learn in your last year of highschool that is still relevant to what you do today…anyone?

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    thechosen1: There is history before 1947. There have been MANY land disputes between the Jews and Arabs in the land dating back to the beginning of the 20th century. At this point, one can pretty much judge the fighting in the Middle East as a group effort.

  • http://deleted Tyler Whitcomb

    Israel has very good basketball! Maccabi Tel Aviv beat the Toronto Raptors in an exhibition game in 2002. They have had players such as Will Bynum, Carlos arroyo,Anthony Parker, and even developed Omri Casspi. The Heat in which Jeremy Tyler is playing for had Jefferson from USC. There is a ton of players that I’m leaving out that have played in Israel and I have to say Israel is very good.

  • http://deleted Tyler Whitcomb

    Why not skip High School ball? He is 6’11 and plays down low, in high school ball he will be going against 6’5 centers. He will catch the ball turn and dunk. He will average 25 points, 13 rebounds, and 5 blocks per game.

    By playing professionaly he will get tested by true centers and will develop alot faster. By not going to school, he will have more time to work on his game.

    I say he get’s his GED and focuses only on hoops and enters the Draft in 2011. If it dosen’t work he can grab the money that he has made and enroll in a juco and get work on getting his degree. I guess my only question would be, how much money is he making? As long as he makes more money than what he would get for a college scholarship, WHY NOT??? Is it because were brain washed that this is the only way?

  • http://www.slamonline.com 24 Karat Gold

    Jordan is the best ever!!! Enough said.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Tyler: the question is, will Tyler get enough playing time and personal development to make playing in the pros worth it. I know one doesn’t develop any better by playing against inferior competition, but one really can’t test out what works and what doesn’t work against superior competition.
    My game always improves more when I play against kids I can absolutely annihilate, but considering I was a bench warmer for a D3 High School, that’s really nothing, I guess.

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  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    A couple of people have stated that he will continue his education and my earlier question has still not been answered. Does he speak fluent Hebrew or will he being doing it via correspondence? If he doesn’t speak fluent Hebrew he will not be able to continue his education is Israel and I have never heard of a high school offering education online or by any other means than in the classroom. Also, if the kid is making decent money from ball, do you really think he will be entirely motivated to concentrate and finish his schooling?

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Jukai – your game improves when you play against opponents you dominate? That must only happen when you find a pickup game during lunchbreak at the local elementary school. Seriously though, that seems unheard of and something which I can’t comprehend as challenging opponents in any arena, not just sports, generally make you lift your game slightly and they are the best to watch and learn from. Your logic doesn;t make sense to me.

  • Tyler Whitcomb

    The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain: He speaks English and that has worked well enough for other Americans over there in the past. Online education would work if he is interested and the million dollar question? Will he be motivated to get educated if he making money already? Hell no!Maybee educated on an up and under post move or something. So the next question is, what is the difference between him and any freshmen entering the NBA Draft? Were they really educated during there freshmen year?

  • Bla

    wilt: There are plenty of Americans jews in Israel, some of them can tutor him so he could get hes GED. So if he cares enough, he could get it, and still make enough money during this process.
    Now, about college- ball players in college usually get some made-up degrees that cant really help them with anything. So hes not going to lose nothing by not playing college ball.
    Now, if he will get injured, hell have enough money to go back to the US, and if hes smart enough he could get a real degree. So i think skipping college isnt a bad choice at all.

    Since im Israeli myself, i will only add that if u want to learn some history- check out Wikipedia. What ever going on right now is that both Hamas leaders and Fatach leaders- the major political wings of Palestine, are fighting each other, but are unite under one idea: A Palestinian state must rise on all Israeli land, and its capital will be Jerusalem. Replace “Mexican” with “Palestinian”, “Texas” with Israel, and choose ur own new capital. could u agree to that? and we acctually bought most of the lands were living on today.
    And if ur British, French or something like that- uve done worst things as a country then any others in the world.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    after ww2, england “gave” palestine to the jews. they took what was “theirs”. i did a giant history paper on the irgun and stern gangs. GET YOUR HISTORY UP!

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  • http://deleted Tyler Whitcomb

    What happened in 1492?

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Tyler – Do they have English speaking high school programs in Israel? I am living in the country at the moment and English is not as widely spoken as I thought it would be. I know this is slightly off the topic. And are you saying that high schools DO provide means for online educations? Regardless, at least he will be making decent money, and I am sure that he is not as interested in his education as I seem to be.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    WOW…
    There are American International Schools wherever there are American Embassies in a country.. just WOW. How can American citizens not know that?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I was reading along very amusingly until someone “doyouwantmore”, said this:
    ["Israel is a democratic country that has never in its history committed an act of aggression or act of war on another country based on religious belief."]
    ___
    Now thats not actually true, the bible highlights quite clearly the path of activity that the nation of Israel took up regarding the nations around them for many years.
    One period regarding this:
    From 1473 B.C.E they embarked on a six year campaign west of the region around the Jordan river and and defeated 31 KINGS, such fortified cities as Jericho and Ai. This was activity and warfare condoned by their God as they journied to the ‘promised land’and for many centuries they got caught between the battling world powers (of the time), such as Egypt, Syria, Medo-Greecian rulerships and so forth….
    they did their share. Just some facts, if you care to learn. “DOYOUWANTMORE”..?

  • Matt

    Wow out of all the countries this teenager could have went to, he goes to the most violent and dangerous.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    SO back to Jeremy Tyler…?
    I want to know if this decision was based on his possible lack of acedemia, and therefore his plausible inability to not get the necessary grades up for scholarships at your American universities?
    I think this might of had more to do with taking advantege of opportunities as they present themselves, moreso than this being THE BEST decision.
    ___
    Personally I would of just hit the books a little harder back home.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @ MAtt…
    __
    You obviously haven’t been to Ireland, the United States or Zimbabwe..

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    Hursty – Because most Americans never go anywhere there’s an American embassy, silly.
    Josh D – Good work clearing that up on why Israel is in Europe. I was gonna say that.

  • Orlando Green

    What a looser…kid should finish HS!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Dave, please tell me that’s sarcasm. Please.

  • The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain

    Hursty – I am not American citizen, thankgod.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain, 2 things)
    1) Against better opponents, you can’t really go all out and test what works and what doesn’t work— you gotta play your game and make sure you dun get dominated. Against lesser opponents, you can sort of let go and see what works. Now, I can see for a player who depends on size how this logic doesn’t apply nearly as much, but it does apply.
    2) If Tyler stays in Jerusalem, he will NOT have a problem with any English speakers. I did not find one person in Jerusalem who didn’t speak English, it’s not even funny. If he strays out, he may have some problems.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Dacre: you obviously have never been to Israel. While it is not the most dangerous country in the world (my three month stay in South Africa will always be the scariest moments of my life), Israe and the USA are far, far safer regions. I don’t really know why you’d say such a thing— did you want to make sure everyone knew how tough the regions are that you’ve lived in?

  • Bla

    Israel is not very dangerous. Surely not Haifa. Israel has lower crime rates and lower homicide rates then the US and lots of other developed countries. Each citizen also get better protection since Israel is well aware of the dangers of a terrorist attack. Very few tourists died or injured in Israel from those terror attacks. In the US u might walk on the streets of chicago or Detroit and get shot for nothing. The same goes for London, and Moscow.
    The homicide rate in Israel was around 2.5 per 100,000 last year, while in the US its about 7, and in Russia, for example, its 20 (!). So Israel isnt that dangerous.

  • that dude

    The Ghost of Wilt Chamberlain is full of sh it. Everyone in Israel speaks english.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    thanks Bla..
    jukai observe.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good luck!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    888

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    Hursty – Nope. Less than 30% of Americans hold a passport.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Sorry I missed this. 1) From what i’ve heard, Jeremy Tyler is a very disciplined and focused kid, who is determined to continue his education abroad. He and his parents have done the research and know very well how to continue his education. As someone above already stated: he is not dropping out, he is merely moving. 2) The Israel issue is one of the reasons that I am going to start a study in languages and cultures of the Middle East. I hate to have an uneducated opinion about things like Islam, the Middle East conflict and the very rich history of that region. Can’t wait till september 1st.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    But what about all the military ‘brats’ and foreign embassy/diplomacy staff that are stationed overseas Dave/anyone else? They all would attend the A.I.S in that city. (Not saying that amounts to 30% of the population though lol), but that people would never have even HEARD of an AIS despite being a U.S citizen?
    Sorry, but that’s wack. Plain ignorant – not you obviously Dave, but the other commenters here who asked ‘is he getting his education’? etc.
    BTW, there are schools that teach the English, French, German, Russian curriculum etc as well – the U.S isn’t the only one….
    BTW x2 that 30% stat is suprising, but not unexpected.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Sorry Hursty, but can you really expect a US citizen who is not at all internationally orientated to know about the possibilities that their country offers overseas? I mean, many US citizens have never even left their own city, let alone thought about getting an American education overseas.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Hisham: what the hell is this? How many Australians have left Australia? And let’s not count New Zealand: that’s like going to Canada.
    I’m tired of Europeans talking about how GLOBAL they are since they’ve visited all the countries around them: which is comparable to visiting all the states around me (distance wise).
    That talk is total crap… I’d love to visit the world, and jealous of my girlfriend who has been to pretty much every place imaginable, but damn, being a tourist doesn’t make you cultured.

  • AlbertBarr

    I’m with Jukai on this…it is exponentially harder for an American in Northern California (or anywhere in America) to visit many countries. I cant even get out of the state without driving for five hours. (where I live the plane tickets are outrageously expensive – small airport – middle of nowhere). Like Jukai said, I would love to visit the world…it just isnt that easy for some.

  • VA

    forget israel, its not a country and no one considers it a country except the us and the arrogant israelis. They have commited war crimes for all you ignorant fools like using phosphorous bombs (which is a weapon of mass destruction). I give Israel’s existence another 3 to 5 years before they attack Iran and the world starts to engage in WW3. I have been to gaza and saw some of the WAR CRIMES Israel has commited. On my trip my best (RIP) friend got killed for saving a baby (he didnt get saved), why? Because the israeli soldier saw the baby and my friend as a “threat”. Is this what u ppl call “allies”. BS

  • spideyguy0

    VA, I can’t speak to your experience, only your facts

    white phosphorus is not a weapon of mass destruction in any form. yes, it’s illegal to use in civilian areas, yes israel used it in those areas, but it is not a weapon of mass destruction, very rarely is it even fatal. it is also not a “bomb” as you say. it is a battlefield tool employed by every military in the world as a smokescreen. it is difficult in an area as dense as Gaza to use it properly. Israel made a poor decision in employing it too close to civilian areas. The US has done the same thing in Iraq, yet you don’t hear about it on the news. You also don’t hear how the civilian death count in Iraq and Afghanistan is 20 times that of the Palestinians since the US invaded those countries.

    it is also a war crime to target civilians with rockets. the whole reason israel invaded Gaza is because since Israel returned Gaza to the Palestinians as a sign of good faith just 3 years ago (and displaced thousands of their own people in the process, some of whom are still homeless) there have been over 500 rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli cities hitting schools, hospitals, homes, and every other target imagineable. Imagine if we gave Texas back to Mexico after all and the next day they began firing rockets into Oklahoma. Imagine at the same time that Mexico’s constitution clearly specified that for it to succeed as a nation the US had to be destroyed entirely. If you understand what this would be like maybe then you can understand Hamas.

    Related question, why were you even in Gaza during the war? Were you doing humanitarian work? If so, have you ever been to Sderot in southern Israel and seen the situation there? What about in Jerusalem after a suicide bomb explodes in the middle of a Sbarros? Were you at the Dolphinarium Club in Tel Aviv when 20 teenagers were blown up while dancing on a Friday night?

  • spideyguy0

    i guess i should also make a point about tyler, i fully support what he’s doing cause the more people opt to go the europe route the faster the NBA will get rid of the ridiculous age limit facing players now. jeremy tyler will get far more in terms of both an education and life experience being overseas for a year than he ever would;ve not going to class and bumming around louisville for the same amount of time. 1 and dones delegitimze college basketball and delegitimize themselves as people at the same time. im all for forcing an education on these kids but what they’re getting as 1 and dones does not resemble an education in any way-shape-or form. when xavier henry’s dad is quoted as saying that his kids “dont want to go to class,” really why are we keeping up this farce? if it were up to me every kid in this situation would go overseas as long as they did what Tyler’s doing and got a high school diploma or GED. The NBA rule should be that you can enter the draft as soon as you have completed 4 years of high school (leaving high school before 4 years have been completed would require waiting an additional year). This encourages kids to finish their hs degrees while not requiring the joke 1-and-done year. for the people who keep bringing up english education in israel, its a moot point. israeli pro-basketball is still pro-basketball, and theres no way that the kid could attend a normal high school, even an english one, while playing pro. it wouldnt fly in the states if he was in the nba and it wouldnt fly in israel. he would have a private tutor simillar to the ones child actors use, and of course this person would be an american.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Thanks, VA.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I don’t think I was trying to argue that Americans should visit other countries…?
    Americans are notoriously stereotyped as insular and self-orientated.
    Sorry if that makes me sound like a prick, but it’s “a truth universally known”.

  • Tong Po

    New Zealand is possibly the best country in the world.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Hursty: Black people are dumb and asians have small wangs and the french are all drunk and, apparently, Israelis love to shoot babies are also all “a truth universally known” to some.
    Rise above it, kid.

  • Izzo

    F*cking sheeple….

  • Izzo

    Hursty’s right, you know.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Jukai: this is really late, but you misinterpreted me. when i said “US citizen who is not at all internationally orientated”, i was talking about individuals who are not internationally orientated, not about the american people in general. I was actually disagreeing with hursty’s point about how every US citizen should be expected to know about their possibilities for an education overseas.

    I disagree with your assessment of the reason that Europeans think they’re more global minded than Americans. It’s not about the number of countries we’ve visited, it’s the way that we pay attentention to what goes on in the world outside our country or continent. Correct me if this is wrong, but I think that a relatively large chunk of Americans only care about domestic issues and don’t have a clue about how the rest of the world works or what it looks like. Everything that’s foreign is frightening and/or weird or to them.

    BTW, this is not at all based on personal experience or scientific research. It is based on what I’ve heard from people who’ve been to the US. So again, I might be wrong about this.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    I would like to add that along with the stereotypes that exist amongst europeans about americans, every european people/country has some sort of prejudice or stereotype about most other countries/areas in the world, european or non-european. Also, there is very little european identity to speak of. Yes, we are a continent and yes, the European Union makes gets more and more to say about our laws and governments, but I think i can safely say that few europeans really consider themselves ‘european’. They consider themselves French, Dutch, Belgian, Croatian, Swedish, Spanish, whatever.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Some known Dutch stereotypes about other european peoples: The French are arrogant, the Belgians are dumb, the Germans are loud and obnoxious, the English are louder and more obnoxious.

    The Americans are all of the above. (KIDDING!)

  • VA

    u guys dont understand, wat did the palestinians do to deserve getting their land taken? NOTHING! if the nazis commited the holocaust then they should be giving jews land in germany not palestinian land. BTW my prediction of the existence of Israel lasting only another 3-5 yrs will be TRUE. WATCH OUT…………………

  • tee gee

    For the record, I will state that I am a native born Israeli Citizen who currently lives in Israel. The reason that brought me to post this comment has nothing to do with the Israeli \ Palestinian conflict not for a lack of a opinion on the subject, but because I do not think it is relevant to a purely sports related issue. Instead I’ll attempt provide you with some information about Israeli and European Basketball per say as well some info from the local newspapers here.

    1)Jeremy Tyler signed a one year contract reportedly worth $140 K so you can each make your own decision if this amount of dough is sufficient to finance a collage education if need be.
    2)In Israel, English is taught as a second language, in some schools as early as 2nd Grade. This means Mr. Tyler will have enough people to communicate with at least to meet his basic needs or even find company at his age.
    3)It is rumored that Tyler was persuaded to come to Israel by a former USC player named Devon Jefferson who successfully played after joining last year and will be Tyler’s teammate.
    4)I’ve read reports that Tyler’s team in Haifa is considering enrolling him in a Local Israeli High School in a program that will enable him to finish his American High School education. In case you are all wondering, I’m sure it will not be such a big problem to find Local Israeli Teachers who will be able to assist him in this task.
    5)In Europe, it is common that the best local teams in each country simultaneously compete in the local league as well as in intra European League play.
    6)Even though it is geographically located in Asia, sports-wise Israeli teams fully participate in intra European Leagues, so in this respect Israel is a part of Europe. Based on its last year’s record, Tyler’s team has an option to play in one of these leagues.

    All in all, I would agree that Tyler is taking a very bold stance. However, comparatively speaking, for the most part Israelis tend to be American Friendly, so living in Israel will be much less of a cultural shock for a young American in his first experience away from home compared to other places one might think off.

  • spideyguy0

    tee gee’s post is pretty dead on about what life will be like for tyler in israel.

    VA, you asked “wat did the palestinians do to deserve getting their land taken?” im going to answer your question with the facts instead of a 1 word answer.

    In 1947 there were both Arabs and Jews living in the area known as Palestine which was controlled by the BRITISH. Before that it was controlled by Ottoman Empire. The Muslims had it before that (not since the year 1516), the Romans before that, and the Jews before that. It was not the Arab’s land in 1947, any more than it was the Jews. The Arabs outnumbered the Jews in 1947 but there were still large populations of both. That’s the first point.

    In 1947 when the British decided to leave, the United Nations partitioned the area known as Palestine into two states, a Jewish one to be known as Israel, and an Arab one to be known as Palestine. The Jewish state, while technically larger, was a large percentage uninhabited desert, while the Arabs got most of the good climate parts of the country. Jerusalem was going to be an international city controlled by the UN, belonging to neither state. The Jews accepted the partition plan and the Arabs rejected it claiming they would settle for nothing less than the whole country. Before the official implementation of the plan there were a series of massacres against Jews living in areas that had been given over to Arab control, such as Gush Etzion. Hundreds of Jewish civilians were killed in these still British controlled areas. Meanwhile, Arab leaders encouraged all Arabs living in lands that were going to be turned over to Israel to leave immediately and promised that they would be able to return shortly after the Arab world had destroyed Israel. Israeli leader David Ben-Gurion encouraged the Arabs to stay where they were telling them that they would become full citizens of Israel. A total of 720,000 Arabs left their homes at this point at the urging of Arab leaders.

    Israel was officially founded in May 1948. Less than 2 hours after it declared its independence 4 different Arab states as well as the Palestinian Arabs declared war on it. In this war no Palestinian state was ever formed, Egypt captured the Gaza Strip, and Jordan captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Even after all of this, Israel left the homes of all Palestinian refugees vacant for the next 2 years and offered to let them return to their homes and become Israeli citizens. Nearly all refused.

    Fast forward to 1967. By this point the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) had already been founded by Yassir Arafat in Kuwait with a stated goal of freeing Palestinians of occupation by the JORDAINIANS, not Israel. In 1967 Egypt blockades the Suez canal and Egyptian forces mass on the Israeli border. Jordan and Syria, also position all of their forces on their borders in preparation for an invasion. Israel is forced to stage a preemptive strike. Yes, technically Israel struck first, but when you have the full armies of 4 (Iraq was also involved) different countries literaly sitting on your border, what choice do you have? Israel decimated the air forces and armies of 4 different countries in only 6 days, in what was one of the most one-sided military victories of all time, despite being outnumbered 2 to 1 in soldiers, 3 to 1 in aircraft and 3 to 1 in tanks. Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt, and the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan. Israel was then faced with a dillema. It coulnd’t just return the land, because then it would be vulnerable to another invasion (by the way, to date Israel has returned 75% of the land it seized in that war). It also couldn’t annex the land for a simple reason. Israel is a democracy and making all those Palestinians citizens with voting power would mean that Arabs would control enough voting power to take control of Israel through an election, and Israel would cease to exist. Israel does what it can for the Palestinians in the occupied territories but its kinda hard for Israelis to be pursuaded to help in a case such as Gaza where rockets are launched at Israel from there every single day. I really hope I’ve done enough to answer your question.

  • oogiya

    very interesting string of comments.
    first off im loving the debate, some very valid and intelligent comments have been made from both views, and i dig it.
    next, let me tell you something. jeremy tyler is a beast on the court. i went to high school with him as well, and the truth is staying in high school for academic purposes would not have benefited him in any way. he will still finish school, hes a great kid, and regardless of what happens on the court in the next couple years, this is what he chose because he loves basketball and if this is the best option for him right now to get the best training, grow the most, and pursue his life dreams, then GOOD FOR HIM. if not now, when?

    we all ultimately live to do what makes us happy, and mazel tov(hehe) to jeremy for being a step ahead of the rest of us.

  • VA

    israel will exist only 4 another 3-5 yrs

  • VA

    israel will exist only 4 another 3-5 yrs

  • spideyguy0

    from what I’ve read the school he was at wasn’t all that competitive in basketball. now im not sure, but so far i haven’t read anything about him even thinking about switching high schools to another school (a basketball school) where maybe he could face better competition and not worry about the triple-teams and play a style of game similar to what he’s going to see in Israel. Sure, it still means moving away from home and without the 140K paycheck, but was this ever considered seriously for him?

  • tee gee

    What’s really intriguing is that Tyler rejected a chance to play for a Slovenian Team, Olympia Ljubljana, a team well known in Europe for developing young basketball talent. In a way, it is like the Eastern European version of going to collage but being paid in the process. In general, former Yugoslav teams of this kind tend to solidify their player’s fundamentals – probably one reason that you do not see too any former Yugoslav or Croatian players with troubles at the FT line – but they are also known for their authoritarian type coaches and long practices and , rigorous training methods. Kind of basketball’s version of a Marine boot camp which would make one wish he chose Bobby Knight as their basketball coach instead. From a true Basketball perspective I think Tyler could have truly refined his skills in such a place, not to mention face stiff and challenging competition on a daily basis, some thing which I must admit he will not get playing in Israel, not to such degree. Yet ” you cant be a Mamma’s boy ” if you want to play for such a team.

  • some guy

    @tee gee
    You’re forgetting that playing against tough competition isn’t all he’s looking for.. He shouldn’t make it too hard on himself on his first season as a pro, he won’t benefit from sitting on the bench and being frustrated during practice.
    He doesn’t want to end up like Brandon Jennings.

    If he had signed with Ljubljana, I’m a 100% sure he wouldn’t get to play as much as he wants to.
    In Haifa, though….

  • spideyguy0

    Remember he only signed for 1 year so that he has the option of going and doing something like that after he’s gotten used to being in pro basketball for a year, and has finished high school (meaning more time to devote to that type of team). While I would expect him to probably remain in Israel for both years before he goes to the NBA it wouldn’t shock me if he opted to go to a team like Ljubljana next year.

  • Matt

    I personally think this is a great idea. He’s going to play in a league where he will face REAL competition rather than what he would go against in HS but he’ll also be challenged. As important as high school is, the best learning in life comes from a first-hand experience. And if things don’t work out (which they almost definitely will) he can always go back and earn a GED.

  • tee gee

    You guys have to realize something. It will probably be easier on Tyler to play his 1st season abroad in a place like Haifa, however in Ljubljana they have more experience developing big men his size. Another thing is that in all sports leagues in Europe the teams with the worst records by years end are demoted to a lower local league rather than receive a 1st pick for the next year. For a professional team a demotion could be financially disastrous since it comes along with loosing fan interest and T.V revenues. Therefore, mid level teams such as Haifa develop a win at all cost mentality rather than develop players. In Haifa, Tyler might get more playing time initially but he will be expected to produce right away based on the skills that he has. I don’t know what type of coaching he’ll be able to receive there in order to refine his skills, which is something you all agree he will need in the long run or even to improve his immediate draft stock. I don’t think there is a question that he’ll be drafted based on his potential alone, but choosing there right European team that develops him could be the difference between being selected number 1 or in the top ten.

  • Nelson

    Female tennis players COMPLETELY skip high school sports and college sports.

    What’s the big deal with him skipping one year of high school?

    Eventually, the top male basketball players will turn pro after the 8th grade, just like female tennis players do! Count on it!

  • Nelson

    Jeremy Tyler’s high school team had a losing season though, didn’t they, during his junior year?………………………That’s proof that he’s not a great player, even as a high schooler!…………………….I’ve never seen him play, but he must have a long way to go!………………….sure, maybe his high school team didn’t have great guards, but so what? Other high school teams didn’t have a great big man!………………………..Maybe he should stay overseas for 5 years, because I don’t think he’ll be ready for the NBA until then……………….

  • shiftycharacter

    re: oogiya

    you have a way with your words my lady.

    xo

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