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Monday, June 7th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  223 responses

Paul Pierce: ‘We Ain’t Comin Back to L.A.’

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

After the Boston Celtics took the first two games on the Orlando Magic’s floor, in the Eastern Conference Finals, Paul Pierce looked into a television camera and told Celtics fans that his team was coming home to close things out. He then claimed that his Twitter account was hacked, when minutes later, a statement appeared on there saying the C’s were going to sweep Orlando.

Last night in Los Angeles, in the closing moments of Boston’s huge Game 2 victory, Pierce was in the mood to make predictions and bold guarantees again (this time, to courtside fans.)

As you’ll see and hear in the video clip below, Paul doesn’t think the NBA Finals will be coming back to Staples Center this season:

Pierce’s guarantees in the Orlando series didn’t exactly come true, but the Celtics did eventually close things out. Laker fans can only hope that Paul will be wrong on both fronts this time around.

(H/T: You Been Blinded)

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Should he have said “I can’t wait to come back and see all you fake bit*hes again!!!!??”

  • a.L.

    yeah!1st!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Oooh, somebody tell Kobe!

  • http://Www.lkz.cn Darksaber

    Wait, is the finals format 2-3-2 or 2-2-1-1-1?

  • John

    I’m gueesin the 2-3-2 process for the finals

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    From what I saw, he never showed up in LA in the first place.

  • rich

    i think its a bad idea for the camera man to pick up audio of players in a celtics game….(perkins, rondo, kg, sheed Pierce) thats a lot of sailor talk if u ask me and the FCC gives bigger fines than stu jackson

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    2-3-2 Dark.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Myles, rather, what you didn’t see.

  • barnabusb

    2-3-2 sucks.

  • jumpman3224

    I’ve never been a fan of the 2-3-2 format. I think Game 5 is often the most critical and dont agree with the lower seeded team getting it. That being said, this thing seems destined to end in LA. I see the Lakers grabbing game 3 due to a few non-basketball factors: the rock incident the last time they were in Beantown for the finals and having to listen to how the Celtics are now the favorites. From a basketball sense, they need to be more efficient offensively to avoid droughts and disallow transistion. And defensively they can not gamble on screens involving Ray Allen.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    did anyone else catch the “maaaaah n*gga” audio coming from the celtics bench right before the timeout + commercial break?

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Thanks for clarifying, chaps. Hmm, bold statement. But his help D and rebounding are big reasons KG’s old man act didn’t hurt them in Gm 2. Doing what it takes to get wins, good for Paul.

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    davidR: we all caught that gem. My money’s on Nate.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @Myles: not really true that Pierce was a no show. his shot wasn’t falling, but he played solid defense (individual and team) and had 4 assists (nothing spectacular, but it shows he was still part of the offense). Kobe wasn’t shooting particularly well either, but unlike Paul, he insisted on taking 20 shots instead of feeding the hot hands of Pau and Bynum.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    yeah, DavidR, I caught it and cringed. i really wish that word would leave our lexicon.

  • Fat Lever

    DavidR, I caught that and started cracking up. Can you take a guess who that phrase came from? I’ll give you a hint, Squirrel Master…

  • B-More Mike

    When athletes start getting the media treatment when there prediction goes wrong then I’ll care. Didn’t Steve Nash say they were coming back 2 staples with his puppet Jared Dudley? After they got eliminated you heard nothing about it!!

  • riggs

    series will come back 2-2, as a celtics fan i would love for them to win 3 straight, but if KG plays the same way these first two games and paul plays the same way as game 2 they can not win. ray allen can’t keep breaking records and rondo cant get 3 triple doubles in a row, they need to start playing like they did with the cavs.

  • riggs

    oops meant 3-2*

  • riggs*

    3-2*

  • nbapros

    format = 2-3-1-1

  • Todd

    Truth is Lamar odom is still in game 2 of the WCF….

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    true riggs, but it has to be a good sign that boston can win despite kg and pdub both playing like isht. still, i’m sure la can steal 1 of the next 3

  • Kap

    the foul trouble caused kobe not to be as aggressive in end of the game but he has to learn to freakin box out Rondo.

  • Kap

    La could easily win games 3 & 5 in boston just like boston took game 2 in LA. But its easier said than done but all LA needs is one to get back home court advantage. Reminds me of the Denver series last year where every panicked and began flip flopping.

  • ClydeSays

    As a C’s fan: If he did say that, he needs to STFU and play.

  • mchew15

    HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS FUNNY

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    DavidR: I heard it too. Wonder who said it.

  • Bruno

    celtics are back in the series just like eboy in the comments … LA’s still winning this whole thing

  • BostonBaller

    I agree w/ everyone that the stupid word caught on audio should be banned. I too hate this format. PDouble contributed in other ways so his scoring drop didn’t hurt that bad. That block by RR on Fisher was well timed and to watch Fish dive on the ground in the wrong direction was too funny. Kobe kind of looked like he was flapping his wings after the strip by RR. Sheldon W will be cut after this series and may not suit up for the next game. What bone headed plays at the end of the 1st half. It was scary. KG is in another world right now but did come through at the end with shots and FT’s. Glen had a monster block on Bynum for a short dumpy guy, I love his heart and hustle. Kobe is still a beast and the most dangerous guy in the L. Ray Ray Ray…

  • Orlando Green

    @ Myles Brown … so true! I got news for the Celtics.. they are going to loose two of the next three games! Including game 3!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KyUcm8qwU
    found the link of all the swearing.. LOL

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    does that mean LA’s gonna finish this in 5? lol jk..

  • http://slamonline.com Kyle Stack

    Can Mr. Pierce claim his hacked Twitter account was speaking for him as he talked to the fans?

  • d’bri

    by all means, don’t focus on the game, focus on trash talk on the court. Dont focus on the way Kobe played down the stretch, forcing everything trying to win it single-handedly. Don’t focus the fact that without Ray locked up in foul trouble, the boston backcourt presents significant problems for LA. don’t focus on KG being a shell, yet the Cs winning despite that. and most certainly dont focus on the all around brilliance of rondo in this game. Keep perspective. what matters is that PP is the only player ever to talk garbage on the court…this is dumber than Gasol “disrespecting KG” by saying he’s a jump shooter (he was magnanimous in that assessment).

  • logues

    dont know that the c’s can win 4 straight against the lakers, but they beat LA in LA when kg played a bad game, and now their going back to boston and you know kg will play better at home, so they gotta feel pretty good about that

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    All my lakers need to do is win one out of those three games.It would be ideal if we won two or even more unlikely win all three.It will be fun to watch how this finals play out.

    PS: Paul Pierce is a douche,maybe not as much as Kobe,but a douche nonetheless

  • ripslam

    I can see Boston winning at least two of the next three, easy. Number 18, here we come!

  • westeves25

    Did I miss something…… Since when has it become a sin to trash talk to drunken and biligerent fans. Who cares if he said there not coming back to LA. That can go both ways. And was I the only person who saw that Ron Artest is simply not going to help his team playing defense. Pierce is not going to have 3 bad games in a row and neither is Bynum going to continue to have those dominant games. I truly think Boston can win…… But obviously we all know that Trash talk doesn’t mean anything your game does and we clear see that the C’s are capable of winning 3 in a row against Elite teams….. Stop sleeping everyone….. I CAN HAPPEN!!!!!

  • westeves25

    ***IT CAN HAPPEN!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/thattsmyali Kadavour

    You know the David Blaine? You know David Blaine the magician right? Well, the David Blaine is when you’re f*ckin a b!tch from the back, and without her knowing you let your friend slide in. Then you run around to the window out and knock on it and wave at her. That’s the David Blaine.

  • riggs

    lol @ kadavour gotta love patrice

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Kobe is watching this video clip on repeat right now…..

  • Klemperer

    Haha, yes Kobe can make sure they don’t come back to LA.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    @Klemperer – My thoughts exactly. Pierce can stay in Boston, but the trophies coming back to LA

  • Nick

    What is he supposed to say? That the Celtics are hoping to take 1 or 2 out of 3 and that he hopes he can win it in 7 ???

  • Kap

    Well he could just stfu.

  • Kap

    He acts as if they dominated LA. The LA frontline is still causing problems and I doubt they will get out rebounded again and Allen did wat he did in one half. LA in 6

  • Smh

    Ray Allen…. that is all.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    @Nick – As Kap said, he could just not say anything, Kobe is arrogant as hell, and even he doesn’t spout out shiz like that

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Banned words?
    Y’all N*ggas tripping.

  • roman

    Ray Allen What?- he shot his load in the first half. And Paul, if anybody should be talking, its Rondo.

  • Fat Lever

    Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Pierce was right, meaning the Lakers swept Boston in Boston. At least then you can call him clairvoyant.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Jesus!!! And lil 25 cent too.

  • http://yahoo.com martin

    pierce needs to shoot better—offensive letdown—sad–garnetts defense was great

  • Larsylad

    If the Lakers sweep Boston at the Gaaden, i will be equally happy and surprised. Happy cause i’m a Laker and because of the comedy of Pierces comments. Surprised because obviously it shouldn’t happen. Still, one can dream.

    PS. Change the format to 1-1-2-2-1. That gives top seed the edge and i think more life to the series. Still travelling thru time zones like that… Games 6 and 7 would suck hysterically.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I think it was actually Tony Allen with the “myyyy n*gga!” comment. I don’t see why people get so up in arms about people talking trash. All it is is talk. It makes things fun. If you think Kobe is going to use this as motivation then you’re stupid. He’s already motivated.

  • e

    wrong artest has the worst shot selection in the world

  • Lantern 2814.5

    Co-sign Myles, PP and KG never showed…and if the disappearing act continues, the Celts will be back in LA… hopefully not w/ 2 guys pretending to be PP and KG..

  • Hedo Turkeyglu

    It’s obvious that Pierce’s twitter was not hacked. Pierce is a coward for not standing up for his words.

  • http://yahoo.com kevin armenta

    paul pierce needs to shut up! we still go the best player on the planet.L.A. in 6

  • Yesse

    Well, he could be right, but again Pierce can’t shut his big mouth.

  • truthteller

    Does anybody on here really believe that the celtics are going to beat the Lakers 4 times in a row? really?

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    i don’t think the c’s are going to beat the lakers four times in a row, but i absolutely would not be surprised to see the celtics win games 3 and 4 and go up 3-1. the lakers dropped games 3 and 4 on the road against the thunder and suns, no reason they can’t do it again.

  • LA Huey

    Those saying Pierce didn’t show weren’t paying attention to his amazing defensive rotations that made up for his teammates’ (read: KG) lack of footspeed. Oh, and you’re also ignoring the fact that Artest made did a fantastic job on defense (PDouble had very few good looks)

  • DreXnaW21

    I think Paul Pierce is coming back in LA because Lakers’ goal is to at least win 2 of the 3 road games at Boston.

  • Coney Islander

    Its not impossible, did we forget that the C’s got their ring by beating LA? Just back it up Paul, and every thing will be all right!

  • The Philosopher

    I’ll tell the truth, if Rajon Rondo plays like he did in Game 1, the Celtics will win the Championship,

  • TD

    It would be nice to see the refs let ‘em play in Boston! If they do, those 2 crybabies Kobe and Gasol will be up the creek. They have to be the 2 biggest pantywaists in the NBA.

  • TD

    For all you LA fans: if Boston could beat your pretty boys with just 2 cylinders firing….just think what will happen when the machine is allowed to play ball without those whistle blowing 6th men in stripes that showed up for the first 2 games.

  • The Philosopher

    ^^^my bad, I meant Game 2….

  • Klav

    Philosopher – Game 1? he was ineffective. And to keep this realistic, Rondo had a triple dub, and he may be getting close to that every game but another big reason the C’s won was because Ray Allen had a career night. 8 treys? probably not going to happen again. Not to mention Kobe playing like sh!t. AND horrible officiating, like the out of bounds REVIEWED footage where Breen, Jack, and JVG said it was Lakers ball and it went back to Boston? 4 angles saying it was Lakers ball, this has STERN “fixing” written all over it. Something tells me it will go 7, but games will be given to each team. SMDH.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    Myyyyyyyyyyy n*gga!! Nate had me dying

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @Klav: You’re right, Ray Allen hitting 8 threes probably won’t happen again. Then again, Pierce having 10 probably won’t happen again either. Same for Pau and Bynum combining for 13 blocks and Garnett being limited to 23 minutes because of foul trouble. Kobe playing like shit? Historically, there IS a good chance of that happening again against the Celtics. As for the officiating, it was awful (and you’re right, it was off KG), but you’re kidding yourself if you think the officiating helped or hurt one team more than the other.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ray Allen is the f*ckin’ man!

  • dfortruth

    Did Paul just admit that Lakers will win the next three games in Boston, therefore they won’t come back to LA.

    Or did he get Stern’s word that they would make sure Kobe,Andrew, and Lamar, will get at five fouls in the next three games. Can’t beat them, so just cheat them.

  • Simmy Sosa

    Pierce is an idiot. Is there any wonder why the Celtics are the most hated team in the NBA? Confidence is one thing, but Pierce’s mouth is writing checks his game can’t cash. I wish that somehow both teams could lose these finals.

  • gakbrenti

    celtics 2010 baby!!!

  • Hangtime Hec

    lmfao @ kadavour. Where you get that from?

  • Robb

    Shut up you pierce of s**t. Guess what rat face? Ray Allen won’t be shooting so many threes the rest of the series, Kobe wont have more 8-20 nights, Lamar won’t suck anymore, the refs can’t help you forever and you’re getting tired. Prepare to be eliminated.

  • Karl

    and Robb, is why we hate laker fans and not the Laker team itself. Thanks.

  • Robb

    @Karl why because we speak the truth? and speak for yourself. If by “we” you mean your boyfriend and you I could’t care less.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @Robb: yeah, you’re right. Ray never plays well against the Lakers. He especially struggles from three point range. Oh wait, no, he made 22 against them in 08 while shooting at 52%, and then showed that they still can’t stop him by setting a few records last night. and Kobe ALWAYS goes off against Boston. they’ve never frustrated him before, ever. oh, and Boston is really tired. they looked especially exhausted when they went on a 10-0 run late in the fourth. as for the reffing stuff. sorry, that’s just too dumb to touch.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    he’s a homophobe too, what a winner!

  • Klav

    @letsmotor, lets just be obvious with this. officiating HELPED LA in game 1 with KG out for a good portion. game 2, officiating handed a crucial possesion to Boston who didn’t deserve it or necessarily “need it”. both games seemed EXTRA suspect in both regards. this is the Finals, let them play. all the politics behind this are kind of showing itself. I’m a Laker faithful til I die, but if I would hate a “fixed” championship for LA as I would if it were given to the other team. this is what we wanted to watch, good playoff evenly matched basketball. it kind of just feels like the refs are just dictating who wins.

  • Robb

    @letsmotor i never said it was a bad thing if he had a boyfriend, thats how you interpreted it, and it makes YOU a twisted homophobic.

  • The Philosopher

    Again, my mistake on my 9:00 p.m. comment, for I meant to say if Rondo plays the rest of these Playoffs like he did in Game 2, The Celtics will reign as champions again. We’ll see. What is telling to me is how Ray Allen set an NBA Finals record in Kobe’s house.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    i actually thought the reffing was very good for game 2, aside from a few mistaken calls. no quick whistles this time — they let the players play for the most part. i hope it can continue for the rest of the series, cause game 1 was terrible.

  • The Philosopher

    To all of the men, women, and children (children being young fans who don’t know any better) who believe that Kobe is as good or better than Michael Jordan, Game 2 is the game to be studied arduously AND intently, for Michael Jordan has NEVER given up record setting numbers IN the Finals, AND against a player who is considered inferior to him. It ESPECIALLY never happened to Michael in his own house. Period.

  • The Philosopher

    Many a people like to laud the legendary Black Mamba (a name he MUST have given himself) for his impeccable defensive acumen. But why does he get lit up so much more often than his boyhood idol did? Well, one reason is, he simply underestimates the audacity of players who are of lesser stature at his position than him. Another, which I also subscribe to, is… Kobe just isn’t as good as Michael. Michael is giving up eight 3′s to no one. Period.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    @Klav: agree with almost everything you said. all i’ll say is that that crucial call that gave the c’s the ball when it clearly went off garnett MAY not have been so crucial had other questionable calls not gone the lakers’ way. no point in getting into what ifs, though. @Robb: i find it really hard to believe that you didn’t mean that as an insult. @The Philosopher: agreed 100%.

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    to be fair, though, Kobe wasn’t guarding Ray on all of those 3s. Derek Fisher and Shannon Brown had the unfortunate responsibility of being at Ray Allen’s mercy as well.

  • Simmy Sosa

    @Philosopher Bryant wasn’t guarding Ray. Fisher is the one that got lit up.

  • The Philosopher

    @Simmy Sosa: It doesn’t matter who was checking him. There are people who have the where with all to even THINK that Kobe is as good as Michael Jordan. Look, this is Kobe’s house, him and Ray Allen play the same position, and Kobe is supposed to be… whoever. That is NOT supposed to happen. If they were in Boston, MAYBE. But L.A., and this is AFTER LeBron followers marched all over his garden.

  • http://www.gentlemansmagazineonline.com Gentleman’s Magazine Online

    I love this.Talk about confidence.
    Go Boston!

  • Ronald

    Kobe didn’t shoot that bad despite the foul trouble. 8-20 with 3 or 4 desperation threes. I still think this series is up for grabs. Neither team won convincingly. It seems like the refs are the ones dictating the games. @The Philosopher: You, sir, are the king of trolling.

  • The Philosopher

    @Ronald: You think so? How?

  • B_Easy24

    Lakers in five, all beantown fans go to hell.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Philosopher: Great scorers like Ray Allen will get their buckets no matter who guards them. Shuttlesworth would have torched MJ’s @ss like he torched Kobe. Nothing new here.
    Kind of like how Reggie Miller torched Jordan many a time.
    Don’t believe me? Check this link out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YpBP2mJe2s&feature=channel_page
    NO defensive stoppers are stopping this, I don’t care how good you are.

  • Klav

    Either way this is chopped up, this series will be remembered by fans of both sides alike as well as casual fans. Something tells me either way this goes, there will be a LONG list of excuses for the losing team. Not limited to: refs/bad calls, “fixed games”, injuries, bad coaching decisions, players being old, players being conceited, and a whole list of stupid comments regarding unintelligent remarks that have nothing to do with basketball. And even though I have this 10 page paper to completely revise and finals, its hard to concentrate on such an epic Finals where everything seems like it will come down to the wire. Cheers to all the faithful fans of each team and true basketball. Down with the bandwagon and fairweather fans. GTFO.

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    I hate Lakers fans. I really do. There is no way Ray Allen and Rondo are going to play like that again? What?
    THE LAKERS LOST WITH PAUL PIERCE AND KEVIN GARNETT DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
    Stop justifying this. The Lakers now are fighting with their backs against the wall. There are no positives. Yeah, the refs took Kobe out of the game, but c’mon, the calls were sided to the Lakers all night. 41-26 free throws, with eight of Boston’s free throws coming from late game on-purpose fouls. Sure, some big momentum calls went against the Lakers, but the majority of botched calls went against the Celtics and that’s a d*mned fact. Watch the game without purple and gold shades, you dolts.

  • Baguma

    Paul, the only way you can avoid coming back to LA is losing the next three games.

  • Karl

    @Robb
    Well your team’s ass got beat at home and it was no fault of the refs. When you result to insulting his appearance, it means hes doing something right on the court and that’s where it all matters. LET’S GO BOSTON!
    By the way ‘we’ has been proven already with letsmotor and Jukai. I have nothing against the Lakers, I have a thing against their fans. The Lakeshow complaining about referees is real original.

  • Justin

    @ The Philosopher…your logic for whether Allen or anyone else hits those 3′s vs. whether Kobe or MJ were guarding him is a little off. Like others said, those 3′s came against mostly Fisher and Brown. If Kobe is guarding him you can guarantee he doesn’t get as many open looks. Yes, Michael is a better player, better defender and all that but this is not a good case for comparing the two when one isn’t even in the picture.

  • Justin

    Jukai, just because the Lakers had an edge in free throws doesn’t mean they have an edge in how many were botched. If you watch the game (and no, I’m not watching through purple and gold shades as the Lakers are not my team), the Celtics were fouling the Lakers bigs all the time. They are a physical, defensive minded team and are probably going to get the majority of the foul calls in most games, especially on the road.

  • truthteller

    Philosopher is an idiot!

  • haters hate

    them format is 2-3-2, n i agree pierce need to step it up a notch. ray allen is on fire that night too

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    Hows that feel….Rajon Rondo will have a finals MVP trophy and LeBron will still be dreaming about his billion dollar supersized novelty cheque.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The NBA REALLY needs to let another couple of teams cheat their ways to titles and Finals appearances….the fans of both these squads are sickening.

  • zop

    paul pierce was hacked! lol

  • rikson

    There is a big difference between Ray playing good and dropping 8 (!!!) threes in the finals… Its an all time record for christ sake! Laughable…

  • vtrobot

    it’s funny how people think that things could NEVER continue as they’re currently going. lamar odom could NEVER have another quiet finals game. No! that could NEVER happen. let’s think about all of the playoff series that this C’s team has played. the 08 lakers one doesn’t stand out as a particularly tough one for the C’s. yes the lakers are better now. so are the C’s. the outcome will be the same. in the same # of games. it’s going to be a rough upcoming ride for that bandwagon. i wonder if kobe will be brave enough to call out ron after the series. he won’t be able to call out bynum or gasol if they keep playing like they’ve been playing. blame adam morrison.

  • Quis

    To the Michael Jordan lovers:

    Ray Allen is a tough cover, for anyone. Reggie Miller busted Michael for 57 points before. Old school rail-thin, Reggie Miller! He was not the only one. Reggie is similar to Ray Allen — he tries to wear you out, running through picks. Reggie had LOTS of good games against Michael in his house — Chicago Stadium.

    True basketball historians know this. Kobe got worked last game, so did Fisher. Give Ray his due, but it is a 7 game series for a reason.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Vtrobot: You also should include how Boston fans believe Paul Pierce will NEVER again be limited to ten points, how Bynum will NEVER play as good as he did in game two, how K.G will NEVER be a non-factor like has been, and how LA will NEVER win two out of the three games in Boston.

  • http://twitter.com/thattsmyali Kadavour

    is it me, or did Ray have only 5pts with Kobe guarding him? he had a 3pter and he hit a mid range off a screen. wtf yall talkin about?

  • The Philosopher

    @Teddy-the-Bear: Reggie Miller was a better scorer than Ray Allen.

  • The Philosopher

    @Justin: When Kobe did guard Ray, Ray was getting fouls on him, right? Well…

  • vtrobot

    @royal: i know. everything might stay pretty close to how it’s been. i think those odds are greater than everything taking a 180 degree turn. if things do stay fairly constant, i like the C’s chances based on what i’ve seen so far. i’d like to see PP get going, but i’d prefer not to depend on KG for big #’s at this point anyway. rondo will pick up that slack.

  • The Philosopher

    Again, my main point was that in The Finals Michael Jordan NEVER gave up a record setting night in his building to anyone. Kobe did.

  • Jake

    Kobe didn’t give up the record.Ray Allan was on fire and was running off of 3-4 screens per shot.Also, Kobe wasn’t even guarding him the majority of the time. Oh and MJ did give up a few game winning shots in the playoffs…not that those are important or anything. No one should be panicking right now,the Lakers are still in control,they fought back from an umpteen point deficit and got the lead back in the 4th quarter. 2 out of 3 in Boston and then winning the hardware in LA!

  • KoBynum716

    I love how because the Celtics took one game they suddenly are the sic favorites to win. As soon as Orlando took game 4, people were saying this is the team to make the comeback from down 3-0, and obviously it wasn’t. Just like the Celtics are obviously not as good as the Lakers, which will be proven in the next 3-4 games, no 5th game necessary.

  • topo

    the refs need to back off a little bit, i love how theres only a lot beantown ranting after they win a game but there were hardly any comments after the game 1 pounding

  • Javy

    Kobe is the best player now. Compared to MJ, Kobe still lacks that determination where if he saw that Ray had hit 3, then 4, then 5…….Kobe needed to make sure that didn’t happen. But yet, he let it happen!!!
    Kobe you’re so close, c’mon, you can reach MJ.
    I want them to be side by side after all is done!

  • jumpman3224

    @The Philosopher: Jordan “gave up” a NBA Finals record 8 assists in one quarter to John Stockton in Chicago. So your “main” point is not actually factual. Also, to agree with everyone else Kobe didnt guard Ray for very much of his 3 makes due to matchups and foul trouble. That being said, let’s leave the MJ/Kobe comparisons for sometime after both careers are over.

  • Javy

    And Paul pierce can hold the chairs where Kobe and MJ will sit with their championship rings.
    wait, he might fake an injury!!!
    wait, he might flop like he does because that’s all he has left.
    wait, he might throw on their face that he’s better than Bird!!..Sometimes when they talk trash like that and don’t have the rings to prove it, it shows you that their brain is stuffed with dirt!

  • Kap

    amen jumpman…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The idiots have truly taken over the asylum. Michael Jordan chased John Stockton around and gave up eight assists in one quarter? What the f*ck are you talking about? That wuld only mean that he was shutting down Stockton’s scoring chances and forcing him to pass the ball. This is the type of sh*t people have sunk to try and make up some imaginary situations to compare a poor copy to an original? For your lack of information, he covered Jeff Hornacek in those Jazz Finals, occasionally Byron Russell and MAYBE switched off to Stockton on screen and rolls a few times a game. If you weren’t old enough to remember the games, don’t make an ass out of yourself by spouting dumb sh*t. If you WERE old enough, then you are just a misplaced simpletonian. “He GAVE UP 8 assists” wow….just..wow.

  • vtrobot

    i don’t think everyone is all over all of the C’s d*cks right now. the C’s pretty much need to win it all before everyone stops doubting them. are they too old? are they on the verge of a 3-0 collapse? there’s not as much to doubt right now and i think they’ll win it in 6. the lakers are a great team with the best player, but the C’s are the best TEAM in the league. that, plus defense, will win it. oh, and i can’t stand kobe, but “lacking determination” and “kobe”, should never be in the same sentence. his skill + his drive = pretty safe f*cking bet. hence all of the fans on these boards.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And while I don’t normally agree with the opinions of Michael Wilbon…he has said a few times in the last couple of days that he didn’t think either of these teams were good enough to beat the other three times in a row and maybe not good enough to win back to back games. This seems accurate. The Lakers fall in love with themselves way too often….and they are far from scary on the road in the playoffs, unless the ball lickers think 4-4 so far this postseason is great. The Celtics will get too overconfident if they win the next two games and leave the door open for the Lakers to steal Game 5 and get back to LA. This should be a seven game series. There’s no way (well unless Kobe breaks his leg) that either one of them will sweep the next three games. That’s just silly.

  • Kap

    The celtics have no answer for Bynum ( if he shows up again) or Gasol. Kobe is also yet to just dominate like he’s capable of so. Dont forget bout Odom forgetting when the finals started. So, I think LA is still in control of the series as long as they don’t lose the next two games. If its tied 2-2, game 5 will be an all time classic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ray Allen is a more complete player than Reggie Miller. Better scorer is debatable.
    Jordan got scored on. Everybody gets scored. Hell, Phil had to take Jordan off Magic and use Pippen because Magic was giving Mike fits in the first two games in 1991.
    Kobe and Fisher split the job guarding Ray and guarding Rondo. Both players got off.

  • Kap

    Kobe needs to quit helping and learn to box out Rondo.

  • Kap

    The game didn’t come down to the refs, it came down to LA giving up offensive rebounds to Rondo and turning the ball over at the end of the game.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    @Eboy…..Jumpman was responding to the philosopher’s claims that MJ never
    had a player set an NBA finals record on him.I dont think he truely thinks
    MJ gave up those dimes any more than Kobe Bryant gave up Ray Allens threes (Ray Allan only hit one or two threes at best when he was guarding him)

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    @Kap….Yea those offensive rebounds killed LA.In my opinion those hurt
    them more than the late turnovers.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Royal, I think it was Phil’s fault that Kobe didn’t get switched one to Ray earlier….Phil needs some blame every now and again…he’s been lazy for 10 years and while he always seems to get his teams to the promised land….he’s also lost a couple of times there and that almost seemed unimaginable after the Lakers three-peat.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    One=on

  • jumpman3224

    @Eboy: 1. I was replying soley to Philosopher’s “main point” that MJ never gave up a Finals record at home. He didnt say MJ never guarded anyone who had a record setting game in the Finals. Philosopher gave a broad statement that was factually incorrect. 2. While, MJ may have not been the primary matchup for Stockton, defense is a team thing. Assists not only involve a passer, they often involve off-ball movement and require a scorer and while Jordan may not have been guarding Stockton odds are he was part of the D that Stockton was picking apart for that record setting quarter (granted I dont have footage of the quarter handy). 3. I blatantly said that I’m not comparing MJ and Kobe and that it wouldn’t be fair to until they’ve both retired. 4. Your comment about Kobe being a poor copy is ridiculous. They are two different players and you’re a hater.

  • The Philosopher

    The point of the game is to score, right? Maybe I should have said that Michael Jordan’s TEAMS never let a guy have his way PUTTING THE BALL IN THE BASKET IN THE FINALS IN A RECORD SETTING FASHION IN HIS BUILDING. My bad.

  • The Philosopher

    You know, since Kobe being the main event, and all and, just like Michael, (who many of the masses have the audacity to compare Kobe to) was THE MAIN EVENT. Now, @jumpman3224, as smart as you are, you absolutely AND entirely understand the picture I’m drawing here. But I understand your intentions, for you may have been awaiting this moment for awhile. You are not the only one.

  • jumpman3224

    @The Philosopher: I gotcha. But, I do think this particular point is unfair to Kobe since he wasn’t on the floor for a chunk Allen’s record setting first half. I’m never much for a MJ/Kobe comparison, and honestly the fact that so many MJ fans downplay how close they are illustrates that Kobe has to in the TOP 10 all-time (obviously Jordan sits at #1). Sometimes I don’t think certain arguements carry much weight because they played in different eras and faced unique challenges.

  • Kap

    Im sick of the MJ/Kobe & Kobe/Lebron debates. That being said, I think 40-50 point scorer Kobe comes out tonight.

  • Kap

    Yes, against the Boston defense and he will not be stopped.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It was not Kobe’s fault that Ray was on fire. That’s thoughtless thinking. As far as Kap’s prediction for tonight, I think whatever bar/pub you’re posting from should cut you off right now before you drive/walk/travel from there.

  • The Philosopher

    @jumpman3224: I think you have interesting points concerning the eras they played in, for the different eras do represent unique challenges for the both of them. And, I’m not much for the comparisons between those two either, because to me, the eras along with other variables, tell the whole story. Much respect to you, brethren.

  • jumpman3224

    @Kap: I’m completely on board to shut down these debates. Let the careers play out and enjoy it. As for tonight’s game, if I’m Phil I’m playing the video of how bad things ended last time they were in the finals in Boston (complete with rock throwing footage). Lakers need to be more efficient offensively and dedicated defensively & rebounding.

  • http://minusthebars.blogspot.com don

    Pierce has the right idea. I like to see players make these types of comments. Rally the troops, gain some unity, although the games still must be played.

    Mad props to Paul Pierce.

  • Kap

    The alcohol has nothing to do with my prediction, If Allen can make 7 three pointers in one half then I’m pretty sure Kobe can get his. The Celtics D on Kobe, I THINK, is overrated. I just wanna see a good game with few whistles and Kobe actually playing.

  • Javy

    it’s not Kobe’s fault that RAy scored but It’s Kobe’s reponsibility to stop it no matter what. MJ did that night in and night out.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I think that only Kobe would have the competitive fire to get heated enough to want to do something about the ’08 result. Ron too, but in his case a) he wasn’t part of it and b)he’s due a meltdown and what better place for it than in front of a nasty Boston crowd for three games. That’s my prediction for the three games in Boston….Ron get’s tossed and maybe get’s a suspension for some out of control foul on Rondo or Paul. Although, the greatness that would be Ron vs. Lil’ Nate almost makes me hope he clothesline’s Nate and watch the fireworks explode from that!!!

  • Kap

    Take away those desperation shots at end of Game 2 and Kobe is shooting 50% so he is yet to actually struggle against this defense.

  • Kap

    Boston CANNOT STOP Gasol and Rondo is still struggling to finish around the hole like he normally does bc of Bynum and Gasol.

  • jumpman3224

    @Philosopher: thanks!

  • jumpman3224

    I think Gasol has the fire to want to do something about 2008. To this point, he’s showed that. Many people have said Mamba looks like he is on a mission and he does, but so does Gasol. Especially in this matchup. We’ll see if he can keep it up in enemy territory.

  • jumpman3224

    @Javy – MJ was great and I am in no way trying to disrespect his name, game or legacy. But, I think history romanticizes players. To dis Kobe by saying MJ stopped players from having big scoring games night in and night out, no matter what, is incorrect. For example, Sir Charles dropped 42 in a Bulls/Suns finals game.

  • The Philosopher

    I’ll tell the truth. The Los Angeles Lakers are my all time favorite team. I am a Magic Johnson guy forever. Honestly, I want to see Kobe get THIS ring. He’s one of my all time favorite players as well, (even though LeBron’s better) but if Rajon Rondo keeps doing what he does, and has done in game 2, my Lakers have some problems.

  • The Philosopher

    @jumpman3224: They just happen more often on Kobe’s watch.

  • Javy

    I just want other players to respect Kobe and some still don’t. Pierce has said that he’s better than Kobe.
    Kobe needs to step up on defense and if a player is scoring in bunches, he needs to take the lead.
    Ask all the former players who had the cojones to say that they were better than Jordan…..ZERO….NONE..NADA.

  • Kap

    @ Philosopher…To be honest, I can’t remember too many times where a person has had 40+ on the opposing team except Jamison, Arenas against Lakers. So I think you’re wrong.

  • Sam

    ya know, someone similar said something like that. kevin duckworth after tying the 1-1 series in detroit for the finals, he said, “we will not be coming back to detroit” to everyone. well, he was right. DETROIT won three games in a row in portland and won that championship. maybe the lakers can do the same??????

  • jumpman3224

    @Javy: I think the fact that Kobe was in so much foul trouble negated his ability to step up and lock down Allen. Kobe did come in to guard him at one point. Someone mentioned earlier that Allen only had 5 pts with Kobe on him. IDK if that was true, but if so there isnt much more he could’ve done.

  • The Philosopher

    @Kap: Allan Houston gave Kobe 50, Larry Hughes gave Kobe 40, Gil gave him 60. I am not wrong.

  • jumpman3224

    No matter what people say about Kobe, his foul trouble and Ray’s roll. The truth is, he needs to play within how the game is being called and stay out of foul trouble and on the floor. He and every other Laker has to stay focused and dedicated defensively.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Damon Stoudamire used to kill the bulls.
    AI too.
    In fact, I’m sure Gilber Arenas would have given Mike problems since he was a little quick guard, and Mike always struggled to contain those.
    Anyway, this convo is silly.

  • The Philosopher

    In Michael’s early days, guys like Iverson, even Kobe, etc,… they would not have come down the lane with some of these cute dunks, fancy reverses and what not. Their careers would have been altered, to put things diplomatically. And back in those days players weren’t allowed to carry the ball.

  • Kap

    @philosopher…that’s not as many as you make it seem with a guy who’s been playing for same team for 14 years.

  • Kap

    @jumpman…you gotta admit he didn’t deserve his last three fouls that were called. So I dont think it was his fault. I think the officials over anticipate too much and over react to guys flopping

  • jumpman3224

    @Kap: I don’t think he did, esp the offensive one on Allen and the one where Rondo was falling Out of Bounds (both of which the ABC play by play crew) asserted that the wrong call was made. But, I guess that’s part of the game and to be fair, Allen was on the wrong side of a couple questionable foul calls in game one. Hopefully they can let them play more tonight.

  • jumpman3224

    @Philospher: In Jordan’s early days he got 57 handed to him by ‘Nique in one epic regular season game. Also, wouldn’t it give Jordan an easier time keeping player from having big scoring games if the offensive players couldn’t carry? Isn’t that an advantage for the D?

  • The Philosopher

    @Kap: I mean, how many times have guys get lit up for 50 and 60 points? I’m talking about the consistency of the whole thing as far as being able to shut down a player.

  • The Philosopher

    @jumpman3224: I’ll say this. If Iverson is not carrying the ball for all these years, his scoring exploits would have been fewer and farther in between. And as you said, this was in a regular season game. Players still carry the ball today, just not as frequently.

  • The Philosopher

    ^^ as far as Dominique, that was regular season, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Iverson always carrying is a bad rap.
    Iverson stopped doing his patented crossover after year two.
    After that, he palmed the ball no more than steve nash.
    Here’s something for y’all to chew on. Iverson, Kobe, McGrady, Vince and Lebron are known as “chuckers” or volume shooters.
    YOu know that of all those players, only Kobe and Iverson have had a season where they shot the ball more than 1,800 times?
    In comparison, Jordan only had THREE seasons in Chicago where he DIDN’T shoot the ball more than 1,800 times and he took more than 2,000 shots at least once. And of the three years where he failed to reach the 2,000 shot plateau in the Chi, once was because of the foot injury, once was because he just came back from baseball and the last time he only missed the mark by five shots.
    Jordan shot the ball, WAY more than any contemporary player and WAY more than almost all of hte all-time greats outside of Rick Barry and Wilt. And, even Rick Barry didn’t have the consistency in chucking that Jordan had.
    However, he still can’t touch Wilt, who once shot the ball 3,100 times in a season, the all-time record from what I could find.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    No one ever scored on scot pollard

  • The Philosopher

    The NBA is the best ball league there is, and guys CAN get off, for ALL the guys in The League CAN play. Shout out to Tony Delk’s epic 53. But again, the great ones, which Kobe is, generally don’t have guys who light them up consistently. Now, the points about who’s guarding who, that even further strengthens the debate on certain topics of whos really better than who.

  • The Philosopher

    Jordan is a career 50% shooter, Allen. That is big. Not to discount the volume rate of shots by other players including Jordan, but Jordan made nearly half of those shots for his career against a far more physical defensive era than which exists today.

  • jumpman3244

    @philosopher: You say that AI would have scored less had he not been given the ability to carry the ball. That is the era Kobe is playing in. Offensive players are given more liberty and advantages today. Another examples of the differences between eras. That and hand checking rules make it harder to play lockdown defense and thus players are more apt to go off regardless of the matchup. Also, yeah the Nique 57 game was reg season as was the games you mentioned earlier (gil, jamison v kobe).

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Philosopher, Michael Jordan is not the best defensive players ever. You’re making it seem like he could shut down anybody. It’s arguable that he wasn’t even a better defender than BRUCE BOWEN.
    I’ll say this again: Ray Allen would have torched Michael Jordan. Period. And Reggie Miller was a great player, but so is Shuttlesworth, and know this–Ray Allen used to average over 26 ppg…

  • The Philosopher

    Michael Jordan was a better defensive player than Bowen. I’m not trying to make it seem like Jordan could have shut down everybody. I understand Ray Allen is a good player, even a Hall of Fame player, but Reggie Miller was different from Ray because Reggie had more than Ray in his offensive arsenal, and Reggie had deeper range than Ray. Ray would have nothing for Michael Jordan.

  • The Philosopher

    Also Teddy, one of Reggie Miller’s sickest moves was the step back J. From multiple angles including from mid range… He also used his body to create free throw opportunities better than Ray Allen does. And Reggie’s mid range game was better. Ray has never shot 50% from the floor either. Reggie has.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To correct myself, in the three seasons when Jordan didn’t reach the 1,800 shot plateau, not the 2,000 shot platueau.
    And Yes, Jordan shot roughly 50 percent for his career, but he didn’t shoot over 50 percent EVERY year. Besides, Shaq, Kareem and Wilt shot over 50 percent too, and only Wilt had the sort of shot attempts Jordan did.
    Bottom line, Mike used to put it up something fierce.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Newsflash, jordan took tons of shots, and at great percentages. Mike was not a better defender than bruce bowen. The argument could be made that bruce was the best perimeter defender ever. And he didnt do it by just bodying and shoving ppl, like some call defense. He played d with his feet mostly, and his head, and pestered with his quick hands. All jesus needs is a sliver of daylight to get his shot up, then who is tryn to d him doesnt matter, its all about if his shot is going in or not.

  • jumpman3224

    @Philosopher: I don’t know if I follow. On one hand you’re saying that it is easier for AI and similar players to score nowadays because they can carry the ball and because the NBA was more physical in past eras. But, on the other hand you are harsh on kobe for giving up the occaisional big scoring game in today’s era. With the ability to have more free movement as an offensive player, doesnt that mean that it is harder for a defensive player to play shut down D in today’s game. You are commending Jordan’s D and also saying that it he essentially had it easier, because offense players didnt have the advantages they have today. Maybe Im just too nervous about tonight’s game and not following you. Also, ‘Nique’s 57 was in the reg season. I thought we were talking reg season (Antawn & Gil v. Kobe were both in the reg season). Finally let’s not forget that Kobe will go down as one of the best defensive guards ever due to his massive amount of all-nba D honors.
    *left a similar post from blackberry which has been pending approval for hours.

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  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Philosopher, you don’t think Ray Ray would have killed Jordan coming off those big @ss Boston screens? He would! And I understand Reggie was a killer, trust me, he is one of my favorite players ever and I’m a KNICKS FAN (!), but Allen is way more talented offensively than you’re giving him credit for.

  • nastierthanu

    Ok I read thru all of these comments and no-one says anything about the kevin duckworth call. Duckworth baby!!! @philosopher man mj was bad but cats got @him to. 1 game doesn’t a career make. Kobe’s a beast and his squad is writing history as we speak. Say what u will but if they win the chip he will be in the conversation. He’s highly skilled and has some great years left. You can’t deny that he’s one of if not the best closure in the game. 6 game winners says something.

  • Ronald

    @Philosopher: Phil Jax has said before that MJ palmed the ball during his dribbles consistently and that gave him an insane advantage to get his shot off.

  • The Philosopher

    @jumpmman3224: Kobe is supposed to be the next thing to Jordan so, wouldn’t it behoove Kobe to exhaust the kind of energy he procures on offense to the defensive end? Wouldn’t Kobe be smart enough to do that without getting cheap fouls? If Kobe is great enough, he shall overcome ANY perimeter threat.
    In Jordan’s day, offensive players had advantages that players today do not. Karl Malone is an example. But again, you’re raising interesting points. But if an offensive player swings elbows, they’ll call it. Flopping was less frequent in Jordan’s day, too.

  • The Philosopher

    @Ronald: That was part of the “unwritten Jordan Rules” that Jordan’s former opponents used to reference to.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The Philosopher went from saying Kobe got lit up by Ray Allen (which didn’t happen) and then said later down the line that he is a Laker fan and he wants Kobe to win? What?! I’m officially flabbergasted now.

  • The Philosopher

    @Bryan Crawford: I am a Laker fan, for whoEVER Magic Johnson is rolling with, I’M ROLLING WITH. And, it’s the symbolic nature and the circumstances surrounding Kobe’s team getting a quite dubious record bestowed upon them by a player who is inferior to the supposed heir apparent. It didn’t matter WHO was guarding Ray. Someone was supposed to pull a ‘Bill Laimbeer’ on his @ss.

  • Ronald

    @Phil: Yeah, someone should have knocked him on his ass. But it would have never been Kobe doing it (y’know foul trouble and all) and neither would MJ been the one to knock him down on his ass either if he was in foul trouble. Your example is wrong. You can’t blame Kobe for Jesus getting a record in the finals. I mean, I never hear you talk about how MJ would never have allowed his to team to be swept in the finals, yet you still call Lebron the king.

  • JudgeHimNot

    Yes, perhaps they ain’t comin’ back to L.A. Staples Center, maybe because L.A. Lakers can win it all in Boston Garden. I mean, who knows? Maybe Paul Pierce is right. Because if that’d happen, they’ll really never come back to Staples Center this Finals. :)

  • Klav

    So who said that Sugar Ray was gonna have a good night? After a career night he has a nightmare of a game? Kobe played like sh!t yet again…10 for 28? And looks like the refs went “easy” on foul calling after the atrocities that were games 1 and 2. Thankfully the reviews of the calls went correct this time for both teams. And uhh Jax needs to keep Brown off the court and put Sasha in. That is all.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Philosopher, again, MJ got lit up on the regular by other great players. Nothing new here..

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Teddy…I understand you’re trying to counter the MJ mystique, but you’re knocking aside hyperbole for an ever greater hyperbole… MJ got lit up ON THE REGULAR? Come on now.

  • roebro

    so does this mean that Pierce will let the Celtics lose the remaining 2 games in Boston just to back up his prediction?

  • Jackie Moon

    Can we stop comparing Kobe to MJ?
    MJ would not have ever had such a despicable shooting night, especially in the Finals … Oh, wait…Year Finals Opponent FGM FGA
    1998 Utah Game 1 13 29
    1998 Utah Game 6 15 35
    1997 Utah Game 3 9 22
    1997 Utah Game 4 11 27
    1997 Utah Game 6 15 35
    1996 Seattle Game 4 6 19
    1996 Seattle Game 6 5 19
    1991 Lakers Game 3 11 28

  • Jackie Moon

    So Paul, do you still not want the series to come back to LA?

  • Bdub

    Who was defending Mj vs Utah? Or was their team defense solid. You could just say he had an off night but thats quite a few nights with poor shooting.
    Note: I did not see the series.

  • Justin

    Wow, I don’t even know where to begin here. There are a lot of ridiculous statements made here. The one that made me laugh maybe the hardest was Bruce Bowen being a better defender than MJ and arguably the best perimiter defender ever. He was the DIRTIEST perimiter defender ever and I would even take Scottie Pippen over Bowen on the defensive end. Yeah, he played D with his feet all right. By sticking them under the jump shooter while they were in the air. Ask Vince Carter about that one. @Jackie Moon, it’s interesting that you show MJ’s subpar shooting games, almost all of which came as a player in his mid 30′s, who hadn’t missed a game in 3 years, and played more minutes at that age than he did during his first 3 titles. Seattle and Utah were also two of the best defensive teams in the league at the time and he did admit after the Seattle series he was playing with a heavy heart with it being around Father’s Day. In the Laker game I think it was the game he had hurt his toe, but didn’t he also hit the game tying shot over Divac to force OT and then take it over from there? OK, who noted that Shaq, Kareem, and Wilt also scored 50% in their careers when comparing field goal percentages to MJ? Whoever that was is an idiot. They are CENTERS. Michael was a guard hitting those percentages! MJ got lit up on the regular is hilarious. Obviously those multiple first team all NBA for defense awards were unjustified. lmao Dominique scored that much before Michael came into his own as a defender, plus they didn’t really guard each other that much. Different positions and all. ‘Nique was the second most prolific scorer of his day so to see a game like that is not surprising at all. I’d find more to counter these dumbass statements but I fear I’d be here all night

  • Ronald

    @Justin: You should really start reading the comments in context before you criticize anyone. No one used any of the above facts to prove MJ wasn’t the best ever. You’ve basically proved that any fact/statistic can be used out of context to prove something ridiculous, which is what commentators were trying to say. i.e MJ’s field goal percentage being lower than Wilt/Shaq/Kareem’s. Because someone said that Kobe cannot be better than Jordan because Kobe let Ray Allen break a finals record despite not being the player marking him. And re: Bruce Bowen, supposedly someone did a chart on the numbers of the opposing players that Bowen defended and they had the biggest %fg discrepancy. But don’t quote me on that, cause I’m not too sure, I just know that BB was 85% accurate from the corner 3.

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    No way Bowen is better than Jordan defensively. I mean, that’s just a dumb comment.

  • ianny b

    At that rate paul pierce might not be coming back to L.A trully. if he doesn’t show up lakers will clinch in Boston. Such arrogance

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    I mean, for chrissakes, I want to delve into that insane statement.
    Bruce Bowen was a fantastic iso defender, but he augmented it by being one of the dirtiest defenders as well. Sticking his hips out on screens, tripping dudes that blew past him, grabbing onto shorts and just being a general annoyance. It’s hard for me to PENALIZE Bowen for that, but do recognize that Jordan played nearly on the level of Bowen in terms of man-to-man D by being a far cleaner player. And while being one of the top-5 offensive players of all time.
    Still, if defense was just how you locked down your man, Bowen would be better than Jordan.
    Luckily for my argument, there are more aspects to defense than sticking a hand in someone’s face (and then slipping yer foot under theirs). Jordan would get rebounds well beyond his height. Jordan would see passes before they were thrown and nab them… Jordan would erase easy-layups with chasedown blocks, or obliterate a shot on the weakside. You know all those steals Ron Artest gets with his quick hands? Jordan would do that all the time. Jordan was BETTER at those skills than he was as an iso-defender, and that’s scary to think about. Through Jordan’s career, he averaged 4.7 defensive rebounds, 2.3 steals, and .8 blocks a game. Bowen’s was 2.2/.08/.04. Jordan had two seasons where he had +230/125 steals and blocks… Bruce Bowen’s personal best? 83 and 53.
    Not to mention, Jordan would shout out commands defensively to his entire team. The same thing that Kobe/Lebron/Paul do that they get so much praise for. I’ve never seen Bowen say anything to his team. Unless it’s “sure Pop, I’ll injure him.”
    So if Jordan is close to Bowen in terms of isolation defense, but is a SUPERIOR weakside defender, passing lane defender, and defensive leader… how does that equate to Bowen being a better defender? I don’t put much stock in all-team first defense, but for chrissakes, Jordan won a DPOY award. Bowen never got that. End the debate right there.

  • http://dfsjklf.com Jukai

    And yes, I do think Jordan gets too much credit for being untouchable… but his defense was one of the greatest things about his game. Period. Done deal. End this debate right now.

  • Elias

    I hope that they are not going back to the Staples anymore.

  • http://www.twitter.com/retepadam Peter Nygaard

    You’d think that Paul Pierce would have enough faith in his team to think that they could pull out either Game 4 or Game 5 at home.

    Maybe he’s a Nostradamus though.

  • Yesse

    Oh yes you are.

  • The Philosopher

    @Ronald: I never said that Michael had to knock dudes around. I said someone had to, i.e., Charles Oakley, Cartwright, the 12th man on the bench. And yes, LeBron is The King.

  • The Philosopher

    Jukai, you are on the money.

  • Ronald

    @Phil: Seriously? You said that because Kobe allowed Ray Allen to break a record and MJ would have never allowed that, ergo Kobe can never be as good as Jordan was. Then you said it didn’t matter that Kobe wasn’t marking Ray or the fact that Kobe was sitting on the bench half the time and someone should have knocked Ray Allen down. And yet if it was MJ, Oak or someone else would have knocked him down?! Wait, I thought you were complaining that Kobe’s defense is overrated? Or are you complaining about his coaching/leadership skills? How does that make ANY sense? I mean I agree that Kobe’s defense is overrated, same as LBJ’s but dude, put a decent argument please! Don’t just blame Kobe for someone else not doing their job! Stop relying on blanket statements or condescending perceived facts!

  • Ronald

    I mean, I love a good basketball argument and I am a big Kobe hater (despite the fact that I believe I think Kobe is having the best playoffs I have ever seen from him, both shooting/effort) seeing how I’m a big Spurs fan. But Phil, you’re acting like that obnoxious guy in the bar who just shouts random statements for effect! “Arenas dropped 60 on Kobe! MJ would have eaten Arenas for lunch and dropped 200 on him!” “What! RayRay made 8 threes in a game?! “MJ would have blocked 10 of his shots!” Yes, hands down MJ was a better player in almost any category you can throw at him (Stats. Check. Rings. Check. Impact. Check. Awesome stories you can tell your grand kids. Check. Shoes. Check) But, dude, be fair. Even Jordan had bad games or foul trouble.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/CathedralsRecords?feature=mhw4 Earl

    Um, yes you are, bigmouth. :)

  • The Philosopher

    Hold on Ronald, KOBE CALLS ALL THE SHOTS, PERIOD. And, guys would be WILLING to get kicked out of a game FOR Jordan, as opposed to KOBE. And Ray’s threes aren’t the only reason Kobe isn’t as good as Michael. And Ronald, through your statements, from what I gather, you ENTIRELY know that Kobe isn’t as good as Michael. Period.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    @Philosopher – “And, guys would be WILLING to get kicked out of a game FOR Jordan, as opposed to KOBE.” Got some documentation for this ?

  • The Philosopher

    @Jackie Moon: During an interview back in the day, Charles Oakley said he would put a hard foul on ANYBODY except Michael Jordan. Check it out.

  • Ronald

    @Phil: Dude, Charles Oakley was and still is Jordan’s brother. Guys still hang out till this day and still does the whole enforcer thing for him

  • http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Xai88DrYsAhqiM:http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/b8ad869b-bb74-4ba0-89b5-857787be7ba6.jpg Jackie Moon

    @Philosopher Sasha said he would DIE for Kobe.

  • The Philosopher

    More guys would die for Michael OR LeBron before Kobe. Fact.

  • The Philosopher

    And Sasha would die just to get some playing time nowadays.

  • bill breedley

    Lame conversation.

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