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Wednesday, July 27th, 2011 at 10:30 am  |  49 responses

For Old Time’s Sake: Tim Hardaway

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Before AI came into the picture, the nastiest crossover everyone had to look out for was that of Timmy Hardaway. Didn’t matter how many times a player saw it, didn’t matter if the defender knew it was about to happen… if Tim Hardaway wanted to cross you up, there was no escaping it. Listed generously at 6 feet, his quick hands, amazing ball handling, and ability to create space made him a killer on the hardwood. He was drafted out of Texas-El Paso by the Warriors with the 14th pick in the ’89 Draft and played 6 seasons in Golden State before being traded to Miami and pairing up with Alonzo Mourning. Timmy became an MVP candidate in Miami and along with Zo, led the Heat to 4 straight Division titles. Over his 13-year career he averaged 17.7 pts, 8.2 asts, and 1.6 stls. Hardaway is a 5x All-Star and was named to the All-NBA First team in 1997.

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  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Can people STOP saying stupid ridiculous and incorrect things like “listed generously at”, “165lbs when soaking wet”, and other similar statements? It gets old… AI IS 165lbs. Tim Hardaway IS 6 feet. AI IS 6 feet. Spud Webb IS 5’7″, stop saying he’s 5’6 or 5’5. Charles Barkley IS 6’6″, stop saying he’s 6’4″. All NBA heights are listed with shoes on BTW.

  • http://slamonline.com Schneezy

    No

  • nicko

    ^ you ARE overreacting

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    One of the slickest handles of all-time!

  • bike

    Hardaway was the greatest homophobe to ever play the game.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    I seriously doubt that, bike.
    Also, All Day – you’re talking rubbish. Please stop.
    Also, Timmy, I miss you, homophobia or no.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    I’m talking rubbish? It happens in literally EVERY article these days. If the player was good and he was short, they have to make him even shorter than he was. Charles Barkley is never talked about in an article with his TRUE height. Always exaggerates 1-2 inches shorter. Have you ever seen an Iverson article that doesn’t make some kind of exaggeration on his height and weight?

    No you have not. These players were GREAT. They don’t need you mediocre writers to shed more positive light on them. They were great without the emphasis on their size being small.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Why don’t you writers try being original for once these days? I’m not surprised though, I have already stated that SLAMonline is letting too many mediocre writers write up different posts for the site. No care for grammar/being original/double checking FACTS. Happens all the time.

    Let me guess what you people will reply with: Somewhere along the lines of “stop hating, and don’t read it if you don’t like it”….. To that I say, I like basketball and SLAM, I come on here to read good stuff, and I EXPECT good stuff from a great company like SLAM. Too bad the bar has been set low.

  • http://slamonline.com Schneezy

    :(

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tim’s crossover is the best ever, mainly because he could pull that joint off at full speed on a fastbreak. That’s insane. If you’ve ever practiced his crossover, you know how difficult it is to do.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Co-sign Allenp, on how difficult it is to do this crossover PROPERLY. It looks simple, and many people do it. But it’s much more than that. I don’t know if I agree with best cross over though. Iverson’s crossover was sick.

  • SikhWitIt

    The UTEP-2-STEP! Best crossover in NBA history; yeah that includes A.I.’s which, imo, is a carry. I used to love watching Timmy play.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ 1982

    Thanks Schneezy, I appreciate it.@bike Hardaway was probably the greatest public homophobe to play, I doubt he was the only one in a league full of testosterone.

  • Kas

    Even though he seems a little “over the top” , AllDay has a point about mediocre writers from time to time. Nothing against this article or writer though, good stuff

  • bakers’-dozen

    I loved Timmy, but I can’t get over him taking out his frustrations at being traded to Denver on that poor TV monitor when he threw it on the McNichols Arena floor. Couldn’t take playing on a losing team, that’s for sure.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    Timmy had the best legal crossover. Iversons crossover was great, but he palmed that basketball quite a bit.

  • Yann Blavec

    Those late 90′s Miami Heat -NY Knicks match-up had Tim Hardaway against Chris Childs and Charlie Ward.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think Iverson palmed it. I think his crossover was the best in isolation situations, but you couldn’t really use it full speed.
    Tim could use his crossover in isolation and he could use it going full speed. It was just crazy versatile. And honestly, it’s more difficult to do properly than Iverson’s. If you give it the full body and weight shift, the only way to complete it is to dribble insanely low, which requires a very nice handle.
    Before Tim, the person with the nicest crossover was Isiah Thomas. His multiple between the legs joint was legendary.

  • martey

    Greatest homophobe to play the game? Wtf…this is a bball site..enjoy the man’s game and comment on that..guess that was some half-assed attempt at being clever or an attempt to start some debate.
    Anyways I gotta give timbug the one-up on iverson…timbug had a bounce to his crossover. Sometimes he uses to hop to catch the ball, and do the crossover on this way down..insane to watch…use to hate when he use to nail threes on my knicks..those shots had no arc at all.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    Not every time, but I think when he really exaggerated the cross, he was palming the ball. Like that first cross on MJ looked like a bit of a palm to me. AI was amazing tho no doubt. He was known for the cross, but he also mixed it up with in and outs, hesitations. What he did to Antonio Daniels was just unfair! I think what makes Tim’s cross so effective on the break was the set up between the leg dribble. Guys think you’re using that to change direction and just like that, he crosses back the other way. I’d always get hung up on the cross back when I tried it lol. I’m surprised none of these young cats in the L don’t try and really master it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Hardaway, greatest crossover ever. AI crossover is a palm ball watch defender lean, then go that way or palm and move to next side. AI was a street ball player who could score, that made it in NBA. BOOK IT!!

  • SikhWitIt

    Closest thing to Tim’s cross now is that hesitation move Jamal Crawford does, through the legs and behind the back I think…

  • tavoris

    @AllDayEveryDay – Charles Barkley himself has said that he is 6’4″ & 3/4″ tall.
    If you don’t know that most height measurements in the NBA are inaccurate, then I don’t know what to say. KG is NOT 6’11″. Neither is Dirk. Durant is NOT 6’9″. Tracy McGrady is NOT 6’8″.

    co-sign Allenp BTW. Hardaway’s crossover is a marvel of balance. Chuck’s cross is all about people respecting his first step, but Hardway’s is all handle.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DFrance
    I think most young players don’t do it because it’s really hard. You have to get all your body weight going to your off hand, then try to come back to your strong hand, and keep your feet right while staying on balance and under control. It’s impossible to do properly unless your dribble back to your right hand never gets higher than your bent knee. I spent many hours practicing both, back when I played basketball regularly, and I can tell you that Tim’s was way harder from a physical standpoint.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn near every time AllDayEveryDay b*tches and whines about the articles on here, I tell him to try writing something himself or go elsewhere.
    But he don’t hear me tho…
    Anyways, the third greatest point guard to come out the Chi EVER!
    Behind Derrick Rose, and that one dude who’s name I don’t like mentioning cause I never liked him.
    1. Nameless
    2. Derrick Rose
    3. Tim Hardaway
    4. Ronnie Fields should’ve been fourth :(

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL, I’ve read that KG begged to be listed at under seven feet cause he thought if he was listed over seven feet they’d make him play center.
    Can’t remember who said it, think it was Kevin McHale, but he was like “OK fine, we’ll just list you at 6’13!”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    YOu can tell how hard it was too pull off Hardaways crossover by the fact that he can only do it going 1-Direction. (Not that he couldn’t go Left, just the double cross always went right to left, then left to right)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Damn, can we get some old school cats on FOTS? How bout Jerry West aka the freaking logo for a change.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I have a homie who can do it both ways. It doesn’t look as smooth going in the opposite direction though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I bet it doesn’t look that pretty going to his weakside lol that move is harder then h*ll too master one-way let alone two. I tried to add the double cross to my game, never could really effectively use it in games though. Not infront of me like Hardaway does it anyway.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    JTaylor
    This series is going to be limited by what they can find on youtube, I don’t there’s any Jerry West highlight videos floating around on there.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    @tavoris, You don’t think all those guys are shorter than that right? It’s not that every NBA player is listed wrong. There are just a few examples where its like wtf. Dirk is a legit 7′, Durant 6’10, T-Mac is 6’8″ maybe 6’9″. KG is 7′ although he’s always been listed as 6’11 I believe. It’s not like they are saying Yao is 7’6″ and he’s really a 7 footer. Theres just a couple guys. AI is just shy of 6 foot. Gary Payton is exactly 6’4″. Same with Kidd. Ray Allen is 6’5″. Kobe is 6’6″. @AllDayEveryDay: Your a hater, go away.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Durant is taller then he is listed. So is Garnett, & Carmelo. Atleast that’s what I have read and heard about all of them on numerous occasions. Players/Coaches/Marketing people list players heights incorrectly for a few reasons. To fit a position and avoid criticism. To create appeal in a certain player that may be lost if their true height is given. Just to create a buzz about a player. Dirk being a 7’0″ who can shoot for example. When he definitely was not taller then 6’10″ going into his draft. Garnett supposedly wanted to be a SF when he entered the league, and dreaded the stigma of being a 7’0″ so he had the Wolves list him at 6’10″ his pre-draft height. (Garnett apparently grew after his first or second season… just a few examples

  • bike

    The really amazing thing about Hardaway’s crossover is that he left defenders either completly flatfooted or they wound up on their a#$. Considering the athletic ablility of NBA players, that was remarkable.

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Not my favorite Hardaway but there’s no denying his legendary handle.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Does anybody recognize a lil bit of Roses and D.Williams game in Hardaway. Not saying they studied him or anything, they just have those same movements on the court.

  • HAMMER

    Timmy had the best crossover. Ever. Then its A.I. And the best in-game crossover ever, in my opinion, was Jason Williams on GP.

  • JL

    now that’s a textbook crossover. technically iverson doesn’t carry most of the time because his hand is just on the side, but it gets close and he rotates a little too much sometimes when he is gathering momentum to go. Hardaway on the other hand always keeps his hands facing down (or just moves it really quickly I don’t know). Less with hesistation but more with speed. Crossovers nowadays iverson style are more with hesitation. Rose does it with speed though. Westbrooks got it going pretty good too. Chris Paul is just performing magic sometimes when he’s dribbling. DWill is pretty good with his hesitation crossover too. These guys are good. JCrawford also throws some crazy shake and bake stuff too.

  • JL

    Actually looking at some Iverson highlights he only makes it look like he’s letting the ball hang. Not carrying. All these cats have got some real nice handles.

  • dannyb

    AllDay, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
    Good article, except calling Timmy an MVP candidate is a stretch. Maybe a Miami MVP, second to Zo.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Tim Hardaway is Chris Paul Sr.
    Mahmoud Abdul – Rauf had this cross over where he would go in between his legs, and then around his back. Baron Davis used to do that too.
    And, Tim Hardaway is the greatest post up player of all time under 6 feet tall…

  • ThaWindy

    I learned how to do the killer cross from a issue of slam.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    AllDay compensates quantity for quality.
    Don’t often agree with Philos, but Timmy could post.

  • Armando

    Ah, NBA listed heights, what a fabulous discussion. Well, they’re all published, so really no need for arguing… but it is fun isn’t it? Durant is 6-9, it’s just that most other 6-9 players are not, so him being listed at his without shoes height make it look incorrect because he is taller than other 6-9 listed guys like Boozer and and some 6-10 guys like Horford, Griffin (just under 6-9 w.o. shoes) and Love (just under 6-8 w.o. shoes). I.e. guys listed at their true w.o. shoes height will always seem taller than listed because the majority of all other players are listed with shoes AND rounded up.

  • rikson

    Ahhh.. the golden times!

  • http://Slamonline.com CatKiller

    IMO hardaway wouldn’t be an elite point guard if he was in his prime right now with the likes of “bigger” point gaurds like westbrook and D Rose or the more defensive pg’s like rondo or overall better pg’s like cp3, dwill. But thrs just me I
    Think it would be interesting to see Timmy and other old points play today’s new breed of guards.

  • tavoris

    LakeShow – mostly correct, but that doesn’t mean that Charles Barkley isn’t 6’4″. He’s said so himself

  • Armando

    LakeShow – mostly incorrect (at least as long as you can’t document it, or as long as you’re not talking about heights in shoes, in which case you might be correct in some of the cases, but then the term “legit” would be incorrect).

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    blah blah blah…the quicker the better i say. Steve Francis had it, it was nice. He was 6’3…with shoes on. Reeboks to be exact. Those were the days.

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