Mamba goes full force.
You’ve seen the game-winner from Tuesday night, but have you seen the rest? Hoopmixtape cuts up Mamba‘s most important plays from his Drew League debut.
Tags: Drew League, Feature TV, Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
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Seems to be working on that Dirk one foot fade away I noticed.
Been practicing that Dirk fade away too..
I to have been working on the Dirk fadeaway lol
Beard was so dominant and looks like he got schooled. Thats the footwork of Kobe. And he’s adding that Hakeem/Dirk fadeaway and he’s going extra fundamental.
Damn, really makes you realise how good Kobe is. He’d have 2-3 dudes around him and he didn’t get bothered by them at all – all those post moves looked like he was just going through the motions doing drills with no defender.
Yep, a Dirk fadeaway and precise passing will make you pretty much unstoppable.
Amazes me that he only has 1 regular season MVP.
Did KB pulled off a Dirk fadeaway?…daaamn!
Kobe was not really trying. And NOBODY plays defense in the Drew League (or any summer league for that matter). Also James Harden had 44 in that game — Kobe’s 45 is not impressive as Nick Young averaging 40, scoring 60 in one game. Gilbert Arenas scored 61 in his first summer league game. We all have seen what Durant is doing. “Money” Mike an overseas player dropped like 54 at Drew League. Josh Selby had a couple big games. BJennings has had a few 40 point games this summer. And to top it all off Gary Forbes dropped 78 at the greater hartford pro-am.
the 6 minute version is better. adding that one-foot fadeaway is going to complement his efforts to score with reduced reliance on athleticism very well.
I love all of you acting like this fade away is new to Kobe. Dirk probably learned it from KB. Dudes been doing that for many, many, years…
Not off one-foot, unless it was a desperation shot. And I doubt he does that in games next season either, he was just toying with whoever was guarding him, be it James Harden or someone else.
Honestly, let Dirk breathe a little. Ever since he won the chip people have to drop his name in every hoops convo. No, Dirk didn’t teach the league the rainbow fadeaway. Yes, Kobe has been doing it for years. He devastated defenders with it years ago.
You think in the short span of time since the Mavs won Kobe has been working to play like Dirk and learn that shot? It takes much longer to get that down. Kobe has had it in his arsenal for years.
Dirk is one of the greatest players to ever ball but just cuz the Mavs won people are steady giving Dirk more credit than he perhaps is due. I don’t want to cut down Dirk or overhype Kobe, but people are so quick to forget that Kobe’s perhaps greatest skill is his ability to score from mid-range. He been had a fadeaway off the high elbow.
Kobe is weird becaus he can do so much on the court as far as posting up, fading away, crossing up people, but he limits himself in the game to what he feels most comfortable with. Straight up jumper in the face. It just sounds kind of funny hearing people talk about kobe’s “new fade away.” Maybe he took a foot off just to show he could do those also haha. But ya he isn’t going to launch allot of those off in a NBA game. It’s different with a 6’6″ SG than a 7′ shooting PF. I see KB, down the road as he loses more athleticism, going to the post 70% of the time.
Right Lakeshow, IMO Kobe Bryant is the most SKILLED scorer in league history. Every different way imaginable Kobe is pretty deadly. Even the sky hook, which i have actually seen him use.
Actually, MJ is the most skilled scorer in history. I don’t know why but people have this idea that MJ was strictly a slasher with a fadeaway J but in reality dude had more moves (with and without the ball) than anyone in history. Drexler famously stated after the 92 Finals that “he came in thinking MJ had 1,000 moves but after the Finals, he found out he had 2,000″.
Hmm, interesting assessment. It’s nearly a toss up for me between KB and MJ.(MJ slight, slight edge, could be his athleticism making me think he had more skill though) I would put The Dream at 3. You?
I’ll go 1.MJ 2.Hakeem 3.Bird 4.Kobe
I never saw Michael Jordan hit a 3 with his left hand, pull off a hook shot. Score 81, or score 62 in three quarters. Skilled and effective are different. Michael Jordan was smarter then Bryant, and more athletic but i cant see how he was “more skilled.”. And words from Clyde about defense on Jordan mean very little to me. He lost to Jordan, ofcourse he is going to be impressed by him.
it makes sense for guys to be more skilled then their predecessors considering they studied them, learned their moves, added their own flavors, and learned from others. Like Kobe who is basically
jordan’s understudy, and took post up lessons on more then one occassion from Hakeem. (and im talking about scoring skills, not overall skills. Idk how Larry Bird can really be in this discussion.
Good call JTay putting Bird in there. He didn’t ever have to athleticism to “show off” his skills, but it was obvious watching him that they were ALL there. Dude had more tricks than anyone else.
Guess we disagree on Bird then NBK lol. He was differently skilled but believe me there was nothing he couldn’t do offensively.
Fair enough but I never seen Kobe score 63 or have back to back 50 point games in the PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!! Just go back and watch that 2-hour video showcasing all of MJ’s 50pt game and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Superior athleticism has nothing to do with it, MJ had a counter move for every defense.
Overall skills yes. But bird was dream shaking people. He wasnt crossing anyone over to creat space. Idk what you guys are even talking about putting bird in as a skilled scorer. Greatest shooter, greatest non-guard passer, smartest player ever, most skilled offensive player overall, those all make sense to me. But because he can shoot over anyone and is smarter then everyone I can’t honestly say he’s that “skilled” of a scorer.
We can all agree MJ is the better playoff player. Right? Not really what we are arguing JTaylor. You don’t have to be a better skilled player to score more in the playoffs. Hell Shaq didn’t have allot of skills and he was one of the most dominant playoff men ever. But none-the-less i still think MJ has Kobe by just a hair.
Like i saod JT, there is a difference between skilled and effective. Jordan found a weakness and exploited it, over and over and over and over again. Even if the defender knew it was coming. Kobe will score on you a different way every shot, he’ll also miss more then half of them. Jordan, Hakeem and even Larry Bird imo were far and away better players, but they didnt have as many weapons to get the ball in the hoop, especially with either hand.
Also, what do you mean by Bird can’t be in the discussion? Dude had every move in the book and then some. He shot with better with his left than most lefties, he had a hook shot, a turnaround shot, a fade-away, used the backboard with ease, up and under, ball fakes, head fakes, reverse pivot shots and a deadly post up game not to mention being the greatest passing forward of all-time (yes, passing is a skill).
Come on son, Bird’s skillset is unparalleled for someone his size.
NBK, I feel like you’ve been fooled if you don’t think Legend is in the discussion for most skilled player. He hid his skills better than anyone, but it should be obvious to a basketball head like yourself that he has every skill in the book. Not flashy at all, but yes he would cross you up.
Lakeshow, I’m not trying to dog Kobe. I’m just using the playoff numbers since NBK took the 81 and 62 in 3 route.
Like I said MJ had moves for any kind of defense being played on him. Why use a left hand shot when you could make it with the right 50% of the time? Why go with a hook shot when your turnaround J is automatic?
Just because Kobe shot a 3pointer with his left a couple of times (how many times has Kobe used and made that shot?), doesn’t mean he had more skills than MJ. MJ skills combined with his mind and determination made him the greatest perimeter player of all-time not his athletic advantage.
I never saw Kobe score 3,000 points in a season, or win 10 scoring titles (Kobe has 2), or average 37.1 for a season, or put 63 on one of the greatest teams in history (the 85-86 Celtics) in the *playoffs*, or average 30 ppg for his entire career (Kobe has averaged 30 or more just 3 times).
Kobe is a great player, but he’s still a level below Jordan.
Your still kinda off topic of te discussion. We all 3 agree that Mj is the best PPOAT. What were saying is that they are equal or KB> in overall ability on the offensive side of the bball hoop. Not efficiency, not “will to win” not best player, but best overall offensive skills in total.
OK first, I have never, ever, seen a hook shot from Larry Bird. But he did have hat game where he scored 47, and ever non-jumper he attempted was with his left hand. That sh*ts amazing. And I have never seen Bird do a Eurostep, or cross anyone over (which weren’t really skills anybody had back then, but they are skills none-the-less). I’ve seen him make some of the most ridiculous jumpshots, turnaround jumpers and scoop shots I have ever seen in my life. But SKILLED, is not the ability to consistently make the same type of shots, atleast IMO it isn’t. Skills are the ability to do different things. Jordan had a way to score on every defense, yes. But he used the same 5 or 6 different scoring moves. IDK this is hard to explain. IMO the most skilled SCORERS of all-time fall in the line of Bryant, Jordan/Olajuwan, Bird/Nash. If I had to field a team of the 5 most skilled scorers at every position that’s what I would put on the court. (obviously ignoring 2-traditional positions….I’d have Kobe as my 3, and Bird as my 4)
Oh and Jordan never hit anything left handed that wasn’t a scoop shot, layup, or babyhook. Ever. But Kobe has hit a left handed three, and a few left handed hook shots. even a variation of a skyhook from behind the hoop on the baseline.
Fair enough but you act like Kobe shoots with his left hand on a consistent basis. He does it once in a blue moon, so let’s not act like he’s as good with his left as Bird was. Bird never did a eurostep because no one did a eurostep back then and I wouldn’t really consider a crossover a skill. AI had a filthy cross but no one will ever mistake him for a highly skilled player.
Lakeshow, all right. Apart from the left-handed shot that Kobe uses, what moves does he do that MJ never tried or couldn’t do.
IF you have a crossover that creates space for you to score, it’s a skill. AI just didn’t have any other notable skills other then creating space and finishing at the rim (and he did those better then anyone, ever, IMO) — Kobe was a better overall shooter then MJ, that’s a pretty important skill. That coupled with a superior left hand, IMO make him a more skilled scorer —- it’s not like its a huge gap between the two, Kobe has just taken what MJ had skill wise and elaborated. It’s no slight to MJ, if anything its a compliment that MJ is even in this discussion, 10 years after he retired, considering how much the game has evolved in such a short time.
And I said that about the Eurostep, it didn’t exist, but it is still a skill Kobe has, that Bird didn’t.
Come on NBK. How many times has Kobe gone with the left-handed hook shots? Probably 5 times, I wouldn’t really consider that a skill because he hasn’t mastered it to the point of him using it on a consistent basis, it’s more like experimentation. For example, I had a pretty good turnaround J in HS but I never used it enough times during a game for it to be considered a skill because I never mastered it therefore I wasn’t comfortable using it. Every now and then I would pull it out but I never used it as a go-to move. The same thing with Kobe and his left-handed shot/hook.
Kobe uses it enough for you to find a bunch of videos of him doing it. Click my name For Example. — Bryant has hit a left handed 3, that lefty skyhook falling out of bounds during the Shaq years, a left handed turn-around/up&under jumper at the FT line during that 2006 season The left handed hook on lebron from last season (if you click my name you’ll see it) and those are just that I remember off hand. Like you said Taylor, ofcourse these guys are going to use skills they are more comfortable with, but Kobe uses his left hand pretty regularly, not every game, but when the opportunity arises he uses it, and effectively.
Good points, so let’s just agree to disagree. Now time for the disagree part, Kobe is not a better overall shooter than MJ. If we are talking ability to shoot from 30ft, kobe’s the one but in terms of mid-range, close range and vs double teams/length, MJ wins in a landslide. The guy is arguably the greatest mid-range shooter of all-time. Most people have this false view of MJ as strictly slasher/dunker but most of the bulls games I’ve seen, he probably scores about 55-60% of his points off jumpshots.
Yes you are right, i meant kobe is a more skilled shooter from distance but your definitely right, Jordan is a better overall shooter, skill wise they are closer then im making it sound (and i do feel Jordan is more skilled overall for sure, no argument there)
Blah, scoring is about scoring. Being “skilled” at scoring is not about 5-8 shots per year where you shoot a left handed shot (especially given that Kobe’s percentage on them overall is bad); it’s about buckets.
Jordan scored at a much higher clip than Kobe and did it in a lower scoring league where teams would try to take your head off if you came into the lane (there was no such thing as a flagrant I or II, and does anyone remember “The Jordan Rules”?), where forceful hand-checking was allowed on the perimeter, and where opposing defenders didn’t have to clear the lane every 3 seconds. And yet MJ also did it at a higher efficiency than Kobe ever did.
I just don’t see any way to make an argument that Kobe is a better or more skillful scorer than MJ.
You dont understand what skilled means in this context. All parties involved (JTaylor, Lakeshow, Myself) all realize and know Jordan was a more effective and efficient player. Read the whole argument.
Actually MJ played when teams routinely put up 120-130ppg and took about 15-20 more shots compared to today’s teams. Also flagrant fouls were called back then only difference being that officials were a little more lenient than today’s refs.
Actually, that high scoring period was in the early to mid 80s, so MJ got a piece of that (about 4-5 years worth), but by the time the Bad Boy Pistons teams came along and won their championships in 89-90 and 90-91 the scoring went way, way down as defenses got more and more physical. The time when MJ was winning championships coincided with the period when scoring was much tougher. In fact, that low scoring, super physical defensive time that ran through the entire 90s (when MJ won 6 championships) was the whole reason they decided to initiate the flagrant foul rules, remove hand checking on the perimeter, and bring in the 3 second defensive rule. All that was designed to open up scoring, as it had dipped so low, especially for perimeter players and it worked. Guys like Kobe got huge benefits from that, but it happened *after* MJ.
Re: “skilled” I did read the argument and I understand what you’re saying. I just think it’s a pointless distinction that really doesn’t mean anything. To me it doesn’t matter how many different ways you can score, but how you score and against who, in what situation, etc. But by your definition of “skilled”, if MJ had kicked in a couple buckets with his foot, or headed one in, you’d decide he was more skilled. lol
No you don’t understand. You are mixing up the word skilled with the word better we all know whose better. And scoring for Chicago was higher or just as high in the 90′s as the Jordan played 80′s. For example in the “best season ever” the 1995-96 chicago bulls scored 105.2 PPG compared to 104.8 in 1986-87 (Michael Jordans highest scoring individual season at 37PPG). So there goes that. Scoring on the perimeter has become easier in terms of rules yes you are right, but defenses have become so complex that the new rules only really even out the absence in Physical play from the 90′s. And the elaboration of the flagrant rule was a reaction to the “malice in the palace” not because the 90′s featured extraodinary defense. If I had a computer I would show you more teams scored north of 100PPG in te 90′s then score over 100 in the 2000′s as well. There are just some teams (Phoenix for example who blow previous efficiency records out of the water). Other then that the peace is dramatically lower today then it has ever been in the shot clock era.
Pace*. – and go to basketball-reference or nba’s website. I’m welcome to being proven wrong
nbk: “Kobe was not really trying. And NOBODY plays defense in the Drew League (or any summer league for that matter). Also James Harden had 44 in that game — Kobe’s 45 is not impressive as Nick Young averaging 40, scoring 60 in one game. Gilbert Arenas scored 61 in his first summer league game. We all have seen what Durant is doing. “Money” Mike an overseas player dropped like 54 at Drew League. Josh Selby had a couple big games. BJennings has had a few 40 point games this summer. And to top it all off Gary Forbes dropped 78 at the greater hartford pro-am.”
…and that time Kobe dropped 81 in an NBA game:)
goat was a lot stronger than kobe but kobe has better handles..period!
Used to. Before his hands got effed up. And that’s another thing that gets lost…….He can do all the stuff he does with a broken finger and an arthritic pinky. That gotta have some importance right? It does take skill to make em fall in different ways and Kobe edges Jordan skill wise.
And for the record, Skills = Kobe by an inch
Skills + Athleticism + Effectiveness = Jordan by HALF a mile
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