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Monday, August 13th, 2012 at 10:15 am  |  172 responses

Dwight Howard Imitates Kobe Bryant (VIDEO)

Dwight delivers another classic impression.

Only a few days after being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, it seems Dwight Howard is already back in natural form. During his introductory press conference, Howard delivered another memorable imitation, this time of teammate Kobe Bryant.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Max

    I just know people will get pissed off at this.

  • bike

    God. Help. Us.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    Ohhh Dwight

  • Josh M

    I’m not even going to watch this, it’s just embarrassing now. If ever anyone needed to grow up and stop being a clown it’s Dwight Howard.

  • logues

    that actually was pretty good

  • T-Money

    sigh. i give it a couple of weeks before he starts doing mike brown’s impersonations. what a clown.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Pretty good.
    You can tell the dude is in a happy place right now, and I’m guessing he is thrilled he is out of Orlando. I really think he’ll sign an extension with LA next summer, knowing it’s “his” franchise in a few years.

  • eZ

    Why doesn’t he impersonate Kevin Garnetts “Paint your face clown”.

    …Ahahaha…see people don’t change, so dwight will kidd around and will be concerned with him being an offensive weapon and go-to guy. And kobe will try to remain the top dog on the team..Mike brown will continue to downplay all problems and gasol and nash will silently suffer in frustration and start shedding hair.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance

    Thats the difference between him and Shaq. Shaq is a big kid at heart too, but during his dominant period, he knew when to turn it off.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Cosign dfrance. It’s ok to have fun off the court because he’s only human but when you step on the court you have to get real.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    why is he supposed to be serious in a press conference though? — And if he wins a title with LA this year, it will be in the same season as Shaq won his first. Their careers are still pretty parallel, Dwight just left Orlando later than Shaq did.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There is nothing parallel about Howard and Shaq’s career expect for the yearning to leave a small market for a bigger one. Shaq is superior to Howard in every single possible way.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    You guys should try reddit.com/r/nba, I’m tired on waiting on slam for a decent commenting system. There’s a lot of knowledgeable people over there an good comments actually stand out.

  • L Dribble

    Apparently Kobe was able to do a great imitation of Dwight in return by putting on lipstick and acting like a little b*tch.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Except for Defensively. But I never said Dwight was Shaq’s equal, just that if you are going to compare him to Shaq at every single opportunity, which seems to be happening, it should be noted, that at this point in their respective careers they accomplished the same amount. Actually, Dwight has accomplished more. Way more. (3 DPOY to 0 – 5 first team all-nba to 1) Shaq played in a much much much more competitive big man era, but factually, Dwight has more honors, and the same amount of titles at the same point in their careers….and Dwight’s younger.

  • theDankerNuggets

    very interested to see how these two personalities mesh together, i think it could get real ugly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    pablasso, i dabble with reddit, a lot of the discussions are very basic over there. not much substance. that’s my issue.

  • mask

    dude i like this site b/c i aint gotta subscribe to nothing. I used to blog on sneaker sites but now they want you to subscribe and make accounts and delete all the spam they send. I like sites like this where all u gotta do is enter in a fake e-mail and voila.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Not saying he should be serious now like I said everyone has a right to be playful but I think it would benefit him more

  • http://nba.com EJ

    Dwight’s also a better rebounder, lets not forget that.

  • pposse

    head to head dwight would have gotten owned by a prime Shaq. Shaq was bigger and very quick footed. Did u guys ever see how Dwight did against Yao Ming? The results will be the same if he ever plays a Center bigger than him, who also has actual NBA skills. Those muscles are huge and all, but if you call what he was doing with a guy like Yao banging, then you guys are wrong. IDK if Dwight ever even beat Yao head to head, but Yao used to make him look real small and dumb.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    pposse, When did we last see Dwight play Yao? When will we be seeing Dwight play Yao again? How many Centers in the L are bigger and as skilled and athletic as him?
    Point proven…

  • http://www.bustersbb.com New Allenp

    Dwight David Howard (born December 8, 1985)[1] is an American basketball player for the Los Angeles Lakers of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Howard, who usually plays center but can also play power forward, had an outstanding high school career at Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy. He chose to forgo college and entered the 2004 NBA Draft, and was selected first overall by the Orlando Magic. A six-time All-Star, six-time All-NBA team selection, five-time All-Defensive member, and three-time Defensive Player of the Year, Howard has been ranked consistently as one of the best in the league in rebounds, blocks, field goal percentage and free throw attempts, and has set numerous franchise and league records. He led the Magic to three division titles and one conference title, and he was the winner of the 2008 NBA Slam Dunk Contest. In the 2008 Olympics, he was the starting center for Team USA, which went on to win the gold medal. He was traded to the Lakers in 2012.

    Before he was drafted in 2004, Howard said that he wanted to use his NBA career and Christian faith to “raise the name of God within the league and throughout the world”. In November 2009, he was named one of the 10 finalists for the Jefferson Awards for Public Service, which awards athletes for their charitable work.
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Shaquille Rashaun O’Neal (play /ʃəˈkiːl/ shə-KEEL; born March 6, 1972), nicknamed “Shaq” (play /ˈʃæk/ SHAK), O’Neal is a Muslim American retired basketball player, former rapper and current analyst on the television program Inside the NBA. Standing 7 ft 1 in (2.16 m) tall and weighing 325 pounds (147 kg), he was one of the heaviest players ever to play in the NBA. Throughout his 19-year career, O’Neal used his size and strength to overpower opponents for points and rebounds.

    Following his career at Louisiana State University, O’Neal was drafted by the Orlando Magic with the first overall pick in the 1992 NBA Draft. He quickly became one of the top centers in the league, winning Rookie of the Year in 1992–93 and later leading his team to the 1995 NBA Finals. After four years with the Magic, O’Neal signed as a free agent with the Los Angeles Lakers. He won three consecutive championships in 2000, 2001, and 2002. Amid tension between O’Neal and Kobe Bryant, O’Neal was traded to the Miami Heat in 2004, and his fourth NBA championship followed in 2006. Midway through the 2007–2008 season he was traded to the Phoenix Suns. After a season-and-a-half with the Suns, O’Neal was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers in the 2009–10 season.[1] O’Neal played for the Boston Celtics in the 2010–11 season before retiring.[2]

    O’Neal’s individual accolades include the 1999–2000 MVP award, the 1992–93 NBA Rookie of the Year award, 15 All-Star game selections, three All-Star Game MVP awards, three Finals MVP awards, two scoring titles, 14 All-NBA team selections, and three NBA All-Defensive Team selections. He is one of only three players to win NBA MVP, All-Star game MVP and Finals MVP awards in the same year (2000); the other players are Willis Reed in 1970 and Michael Jordan in 1996 and 1998. He ranks 6th all-time in points scored, 5th in field goals, 13th in rebounds, and 7th in blocks.[3]

    In addition to his basketball career, O’Neal has released four rap albums, with his first, Shaq Diesel, going platinum. He has appeared in numerous films and has starred in his own reality shows, Shaq’s Big Challenge and Shaq Vs..
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Compare Careers Please!!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, I agree with you but in terms of pure dominance, Shaq has Howard beat by a country mile.
    I think what most people on here are getting to (especially DFrance and T-Money) is that Howard tends to be in a playful mood all the time. It could be in the middle of a heated playoff game and the boy is grinning like a kid in chuckie cheese. Shaq was never that way, he knew when it came time to be serious (playoffs) and when it came time to joke around. Howard doesn’t. Maybe that explains why he had no problems taking only 13 shots while his less talented teammates in ORL chucked up 30+ 3s a game.

  • Jose

    that was better than i thought it would

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dwight had big problems with the offense in Orlando. He wanted more touches. These feelings were pretty well covered. – I am not at all arguing Dwight is in Shaq’s league in terms of dominance, just that, whether he jokes around too much or not is not going to matter if he wins a title. I mean we can find reasons to not like the guy or whatever, but just like all of the irrelevant criticism of LeBron, if Dwight wins, none of it matters. And he is set up to win, and win now. My point about their careers is, they spent their first years in Orlando, both made the finals once, and neither won more than that. Shaq was criticized for being too “hollywood” to ever reach his potential (which actually, still might be a good criticism) just like Dwight is criticized for being too “playful” to be a dominant all-time Center.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NAP, we don’t need their wikipedia pages. thanks though.

  • LA Huey

    How would Dwight fare against an in-his-prime KAJ? Or Wilt? Or Dream? Or some other pivot he’d only go head-to-head against in a video game?
    But to pposse’s one point, Yao is funnier than Dwight.

  • http://www.bustersbb.com New Allenp

    Shaquille O’Neal: The BIG Underachiever
    Superman. The Diesel. The Big Daddy. The Big Cactus. The Big Leprochan. The Big Aristotle. The Big fill in the blank. For the record, Shaq was a great, great player. He was tremendous for the NBA and the game of basketball. I think he was one of the top ten players ever and a nearly unstoppable force in his prime.

    That is also why I label him the Big Underachiever. As great as he was, he could have been so much more. He had the teammates. He had the coaches. He had the size and skill. He just didn’t have the drive, desire, passion, or work ethic to be the best EVER. Someone as talented as Shaq was should have never become the Big Journeyman.

    He didn’t take care of himself. He became a charicature of himself and a BIG one at that. The guy waddling up and down the floor this playoffs for the Celtics looked like an elephant. And not as agile. It was sad. It was also preventable. Shaq paced himself, and yet never fully took care of himself thinking big picture.

    Equally as frustrating is that he struggled getting along with teammates. Penny. Kobe. Wade. Nash. Another one bites the dust playing the background while showing lowlights of each stop. Kobe got a lot of the blame for running Shaq out of town, but Shaq is the one with the not so kind history of disagreement with a fellow star. By all accounts he is a great guy, but may not have been the best teammate.

    I will think of Shaq as the most physcially imposing and most difficult player to officiate in NBA history. He was a terrific Hall of Fame player who won 4 titles, 3 Finals MVP’s, 1 NBA MVP, 1 scoring title, and a quote machine. I just can’t helpt think when I am telling my kids about him some day that they’ll ask me, if he was so great, why didn’t he accomplish more?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    If 30 is the new 20, is the old AllenP the new AllenP? Rebirth? Questions abound.

  • http://www.bustersbb.com New Allenp

    Shaquille O’Neal’s retirement brings reflections on his legacy with the Lakers
    One of the first messages Shaquille O’Neal received from Phil Jackson consisted of both a compliment and a challenge.

    “I told Shaq when I took over as head coach in our first initial meeting as a team that the MVP trophy should be named after him when he retired,” Jackson recently told Fox Sports’ Mark Kriegel.

    The message spoke both to Shaq’s nearly unstoppable stature. His 7-foot-1, 325- pound frame provided a physical presence that proved difficult to stop inside. His agility made it hard to slow him down. And on the heels of Shaq officially announcing Wednesday his retirement via Tout, he’ll be remembered as one of the most dominant centers in the game.

    But Jackson also shared that anecdote as evidence that despite his four rings, three-time Finals MVP, one regular season MVP and 28,596 career points, the man with a million nicknames grossly underachieved. “This is a guy who could and should have been the MVP player for 10 consecutive seasons,” Jackson told Kriegel.

  • Bt

    ^because Shaq lived life. Basketball didn’t totally consume him ala Jordan, Russell, Kobe etc. Shaq has done everything he’s wanted to do outside basketball and he was willing to sacrifice some success in basketball to do these things (not that 3 straight finals MVP’s is anything to sneeze at). Ask Shaq if he’s ever passed up an interesting/fun opportunity, I bet he says no.

  • http://www.bustersbb.com New Allenp

    Why Shaq’s an underachiever …

    Sure, O’Neal was great. But how great would he have been with conditioning, a dedicated attitude, and some practice at-the-line?

    Purists claim believe he easily could’ve been the greatest ever. Instead, he rapped (okay, sort of), acted (again, he sort of did his thing in Kazaam), and refused to rehab injuries during the off-season.

    Instead of settling for four NBA Titles, this camp believes he should’ve won six or seven. They see O’Neal’s career as wasted potential.
    JUST PUTTING SHAQ’S LEGACY IN QUESTION, LIKE IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE, HE COULD HAVE DONE ALOT MORE WITH HIS ABILITY. IMAGINE IF DWIGHT WINS THREE OR FOUR RINGS.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i think everyone is aware of what Shaq could have been. It’s a waste of time contemplating it or campaigning about it. What he could have been has no effect on what he was.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance

    To me, the criticism only becomes invalid AFTER they win AND if the don’t make any changes in reference to what they were being criticized for. LeBrons criticism was valid up until he won the ring this year, but he made the changes he needed to make to win. If Dwight remains a 24/7 goofball and manages to dominate and carry the Lakers to a title, then we can say the criticism of his playful nature was invalid. But if they don’t win, or they win in spite of him, not because f him then the critiques still stand.

  • John Wall Jr

    Haha!

  • patrick

    THAT was hilarious..i liked that

  • pposse

    some people, well actually a lot of people i know are still willing to say that shaq was the second best player of all time. You can’t look at his past achievements and make that argument, but i know if i had to pick a team to play on NBA 2k or something i would pick shaq right after scooping up MJ.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that’s fair D – i totally understand that. i have always been in the don’t criticize something that’s bound to prove the criticism invalid camp but i totally understand.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Shaq’s peak career was six years. In those six years, he won 3 titles and lost one. Shaq in Orlando was a young immovable object that was schooled by Hakeem the Dream in the NBA Finals. Shaq in his early years with a GOOD team in LaLa land, continued to lose and get swept out of the playoffs. If Shaq played so good in Orlando, why in LA, with better pieces could he not take the Lakers anywhere. I have read from latimes.com, that once Kobe became the starter over Eddie jones, and his game became better, because people forget Kobe is the youngest NBA All Star starter ever. That’s why Shaq won rings, Shaq had a great career, but Howard’s can be better. Howard has already led the league in rebounding and blocks, which Shaq has never did. Howard has been a 3-Time NBA Defensive Player of the year, Shaq never won one. Shaq has 1 MVP award and I believe Howard will get one. Howard with Lakers will play for them for the next 10 years. I see at least 4 rings out of those years. This is why people you cannot act like Shaq did everything he could do on the court, Howard right now is neck and neck with Shaq in their frist few years in the NBA. If Howard does not have a ring in 2 years, then Shaq is in the lead as far a careers for me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, that ain’t me. I don’t know who that cat is, but if he wants to use that name, I don’t care.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    You can’t compare Dwight to Shaq until Dwight retires. True, nbk, Dwight has more than Shaq. And that will never change. But I do feel that Shaq should have gotten at least one DPOY. And Dwight dosen’t have any rings. We should wait to see what he can do with a real team now. But they do not have the same career because of one similar move. Think of it this way: a few years ago, Matt Barnes left Orlando and signed with LA. He’s nowhere near Shaq. Dwight’s career would’ve been similar to Shaq’s if he won three three tiles in LA, got in a feud with Kobe, got traded to the Heat (could you imagine the hate). Win a title there (again, The hate)Then waste away in Phoenix. Then go join Kyrie Irving in Cleveland. Then join old Avery Bradley and Jet in Boston. Then retire and become the most unbearable sports analyst of all time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I know I shouldn’t do this, but it’s funny how Kobe fans always give Kobe a pass for being on Shaq’s early teams that were getting swept because he was fresh out of high school. But, those same fans clown LeBron and consider him a failure for what he didn’t do in his first three years in the League fresh out of high school although he took the worse team in the League to the playoffs by Year Three if I’m not mistaken.
    So, Kobe couldn’t dominate out the gate, but that’s immaterial, and LeBron was awesome out of the gate, but that’s not important.
    And Shaq only started winning because Kobe got good, instead of it being related to the change in offense instituted by Phil Jackson a clear upgrade over Del Harris.
    I just find that hilarious.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    AllenP that’s my dumbass brother. If it bothers you then I’ll get him to stop. But if not, I’m super tired of dealing with him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq never ever deserved a DPOY award. He was a good defender, and a very very effective rim protector, but he never remotely deserved a DPOY award. Dwight’s career isn’t similar to Shaq’s for that one reason, – they were both picked #1 by Orlando. Both won ROY, both lead Orlando to 1 finals, both have the same nickname, and now both began the second chapter of their careers in LA….next to a guy named Kobe. — Their careers are as paralleled (similar) as two separate peoples careers can be. They will now, and forever be compared and linked. If Dwight doesn’t win a bunch of titles the line will always be “he was never as good as Shaq” – if he wins more than 4 titles the line will be “this is what Shaq could have been if he actually worked hard to get better”

  • http://nba.com GP23

    It never ceases to amaze me how people continually give this guy a pass for his petulance. The fact of the matter is that he is extremely sensitive, and needs constant attention. Ask Phil Jackson. The way he tried to lay blame on Kobe for his trade to Miami is hilarious. As if his cursing out Jerry Buss during a pre-season game about his undeserved contract extension might have had something to do with it. And in the ’04 Finals, Phil Jackson claimed in his book that the main reason they were at fault in that series was because Shaq couldn’t guard the pick and roll used by the Pistons.
    Now, don’t get me wrong, the dude was great, a top 10 all timer.. but he could have been a hell of a lot better if he had Kobe’s work ethic and drive.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^I think you meant to say “it’s Kobe’s fault.”

  • pposse

    @GP23, the trade to miami was kobe’s fault. Kobe hid behind Jerry Busse and let them do what GM’s/owners do (normally), but we all know when Kobe wants something, he demands it or he will demand a trade for himself. Did Kobe not go on record earlier this summer and tell the world that Pau Gasol is not going anywhere?! And what happend, did Pau go anywhere? But Pau was in trade talks thruout this season – to believe Kobe or any superstar for this matter so long as they are working with a SMART GM/OWNER always have a say in how business gets run. Kobe could have easily stepped in and made sure Shaq stayed in LA, both of them were being immature, but since Kobe stayed in LA he should take the brunt of the blame.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I always thought that Shaq got a ton of blocks and rebounds. But I guess you get that by only seeing it on YouTube. So I’ll concede. I’m not saying they aren’t similar. Just that we should wait until Dwight’s career is over. What if this isn’t Dwight’s last move? What if Orlando and the Lakers arent the only teams Dwight ends up playing for? That’s what I meant

  • LA Huey

    Shaq and Kobe were equally responsible for Shaq’s exile to Miami. They were both such a-holes that they couldn’t co-exist. Lakers decided to side with the younger one that actually comes to training camp in shape. Based on the post-trade success of both players, it’s easy to see the Lakers made the right choice.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Who are we to say that Shaq could have been “a whole lot better” if he worked hard when the guy is the only player (besides MJ) to win 3 straight Final MVPs, 1 of 3 players to win MVP/ASG-MVP/Finals MVP in the same season (MJ/Willis are the other 2) and ranks 6th all-time in Points, 5th in FGs made, 13th in rebounds and 7th in blocks. Add on top of all that him winning 4 championships.
    Wilt underachieved in the Playoffs, Shaq did not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I’m pretty sure if Dwight does ever leave LA it will be a ring chasing endeavor much like Shaq’s. What teams he plays for won matter because the media will spin it like “Orl, LA, and Farewell Tour for a Title” – you can bet that with this move, and their weird personal feud (specifically Shaq’s disdain for Dwight as a player) they will always be compared. And SO FAR, the comparison is legitimate. So far.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Neither of them were really responsible for Shaq leaving. The team was old, and Shaq and Kobe were both due contracts in excess of $20M annually. Nobody talks about it, but that was a key factor in why Shaq was dealt.

  • Showfan12

    @nbk, Dwight never won ROY tho

  • http://nba.com GP23

    JTaylor.. If Shaq could be bothered to work on his free-throws, again, something Phil Jackson stressed him too do.. he could have been higher on that all-time Points list. I mean, come on, look how many times Shaq went to the line in games. He was a liability late in the game. Shaq always argued back about his misses by stating that “I made the ones that count”…. I’m sorry, but EVERY foul shot counts.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah that was Emeka Okafor. Speaking of, how do you get worse every year? Okafor was great his rookie season and just keeps sinking lower and lower every year..

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    GP23, plus, he DIDN’T make them when they counted. He was probably 62% in pressure situations as opposed to his usual 55%.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq was getting old. He was always injured, and he was being really ridiculous in demanding a mega contract.
    Kobe wanted to be the man (which he has since admitted), and he and Shaq had a strained relationship.
    But, the numbers tell the story of that Pistons series. Shaq played the same pick and roll defense he always played. The difference was the inability to score efficiently and we all know who that problem was connected to. We watched the series, we’ve studied the stats. There is no way around the facts.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    You basically summed up my point.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Yeah, Emeka Okafor won ROY that year.
    Thing is with Shaq, he recieved the star treatment before he should have.
    He became rich and famous before accomplishing anything worthy of those words; midway through the his rookie year in Orlando, he’d already signed a seven-year, $40 million contract, starred in ‘Blue Chips’, recorded a rap album and became a household name. Maybe if all that never occured so early, he might have felt the need to “earn” his way to the top. I Don’t know man, I just feel his “Hollywood” antics distracted him a little. Bu then again, these days, every player seems to have the fame and status way too early in their careers….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ahhh my bad. i always forget about Emeka that year.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Allen.. I agree, kobe did want to be the man. He was sick of being the “sidekick.”
    But Kobe’s offense wasn’t too threatening towards their pursuit of that championship. By the time of the ’04 Finals, Kobe was the best player on that stacked Laker team. So of course, his offense was needed. Kobe scored the game-winner in Game 2 for the only win they had in that Finals. Kobe played better than any Laker in them Finals. It’s true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i summed up your point as in, the so far thing? because they will always be compared. that was what i was originally saying. I wasn’t saying they should always be compared, but as of right now, the comparison is 100% legitimate, and the parallels, especially now, are what will drive the comparison that will probably define a portion of at least Howard’s career.

  • pposse

    LAHuey – i distincly remember the Miami Heat in year one with Shaq getting to Game 7 in the ECF. The only reason they lost is cause Wade was out Game 6 and 7 with twisted ribs. I think it is safe to say that Miami would/should have won that series barring no fluke bs injury that happened to Wade. The next year, the Heat did one better and actually won the ring. Last i checked, Kobe only has 2 rings after Shaq’s exit. Shaq could have easily have 2 chips before Kobe even got one of the two he got. What makes you think that this was an ‘easy’ decision? AllenP Shaq got 100 mill from Miami, and then took a paycut for antoine walker. It had nothing to do with the money, and everything to do with Kobe and his relationship. Hell, Shaq’s play post Lakers show that he would have been happy to defer to Kobe, immediately like next season he would have made Kobe the man.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I agree with the New Allenp, he seems smarter. Shaq did underachieve, imagine if he really had some work ethic, he would have been great. Its funny, everyone bring up the 3 straight NBA Finals MVP’s, when he was laying against Rick Smits, bums and more bums. Against the real team that stood in the Lakers way all those years was the Spurs and guess who the Spurs struggle to guard and torched them Kobe. Shaq did underachieve and to act like Howard has not had a good start to his career is ludicrous.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    GP, you need to go back and look at those finals or something. Oh my is what your saying wrong.
    .During the 2004 playoffs,
    .-Kobe shot 153 more field goals than Shaq over a 22 game span.
    .-And he only made 8 more field goals total.

  • pposse

    I’m Assuming Shaq and Wade would have beaten the Spurs in the 05 finals. if you add it up Shaq would have had 2 rings and Kobe already had 2 rings, and you add that to the 3 the got together..they could have easily had 7 rings by now..best duo ever..kobe gets legit comparisons to MJ and shaq with legit comparisons to Bill Russell as the greatest winner. The only way this should have happened was if both played on the Lakers and since Kobe was the survivor he should take most of the blame for ruining both of their legacies.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    the so far thing. I mean we should save most of the comparisons til Dwight is done. But if your talking right now then yes it’s legitimate.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @pposse, whateva, couldeva shouldeva, chill with that crap. shaq underachieved. Shaq was dumb for not letting Kobe do his thing, when clearly Kobe was ready. Also Kobe could have had another 3peat if Gasol play big. cut that crap out man. Shaq career is like a frog, it grew up, jumped, jumped, jumped, jumped with refs help, then the frog hit water and realized its a toad.

  • Brainwashers

    If you really look at the odds of dominant centers and other once-in-a-lifetime players ending up in the same place, over and over, in a league with as many teams as this, you have to acknowledge that there is no such thing as parity or fairness. When you crunch the numbers and look at how often the same teams contend for chips and stars, you must acknowledge that the NBA has turned the corner from a pure game to something halfway between sports and “sports-entertainment”. Why not just get it over with and name half the league the Washington Generals.

  • eZ

    Man some of you have too short memories, are too much in awe of the moment and disregard circumstance. I’ll go ahead and say it; Shaq was just as good and effective a defender as Howard is…..while being the far superior offensive player. Go check some carreer stats on espn, the first 8 seasons, or even right up until shaqs last year. He averages almost close to 30 points while even averaging more blocks a game than howard and pretty much matching him in rebounds. Lmao shaq had these lines in his rookie year 23 ptspg, 13.8 rebs and 3.5 blocks!! Except for not even a full rebound more Howard has yet to hit those marks for the first time in his entire career. Btw shaq even averages more blocks over his entire overextended career than howard does over his own. And shaq went up against prime hakeem, ewing, robinson, mourning etc. Howard plays in an era where lopez gets max money. And when thinking of shaq and athletcism am i the only one who remembers an absolute beast who runs the floor, brings down entire backboards and dives in the stands for loose balls? Celtic shaq is just the sun setting in the sea not the bright daylight. My point, accolades, which are also relative to that years competition, or no… SHAQ is and probably will be, forever the far superior player…..maybe even at free throws…..go…check…espn stats….then…check..youtube….don’t start yapping about help defense, rotations bla bla…

  • pposse

    “shaq was dumb for not letting kobe do his thing” the exact next year in Miami he let dwade do his thing and they should have gotten to the damn finals barring a twisted ribs! what makes u think shaq would not have allowed kobe to do his thing?? thats what i dont get, and will never get.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    nbk… so what you’re saying is that Kobe should have deferred, and basically given the ball to Shaq a lot more in those Finals? Fair enough…
    Just one thing. If Shaq did get the ball more in those Finals, the Pistons would have just used the Hack-a-Shaq tactics, and then he would have presumably gone to the line, and missed, like he always did. Kobe shooting a lot more than Shaq isn’t the reason they lost 4-1, not by any means. Shaq was lazy on defense.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance

    Michael Jordan is an underachiever too. He could have won 8 rings in a row had he not quit basketball to play baseball. Maybe he could have averaged 35 instead of 30 had he not been a gambler, or spent time trying to improve his golf swing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ummmm……defense is more than just Blocks per game and defensive rebounds per game….plus, the era they play in almost always has little effect on their legacy…unless, ofcourse, you are arguing that Wilt Chamberlain was not playing against what would be small forwards in today’s nba 8 times a season….each? — as of right now, Dwight, even as so much less of a dominating offensive force, has made a very similar impact on the NBA as Shaq did in his first 8 seasons. This is undeniably true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    dfrance, stop being so damn logical

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Kobe attempted 113 FGs and made only 43 FGs to Shaq’s 84 attempts and 53 makes. If you can’t see that Kobe shooting 38% from the field to Shaq’s 63% while taking 29 more shots during the 04 Finals was the biggest reason why LA lost to DET, I don’t know what to tell you.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    GP, uhm, no, they would not have used hack-a-shaq throughout the whole game. Ben Wallace only was allowed 6 fouls, ditto for Rasheed Wallace. you can’t honestly try and argue that the Piston’s would have benefited from benching them in order to foul Shaq so we’ll just dismiss your whole argument about that then, alright?
    .
    in the 2004 finals these are Shaq’s stats, and the outcome of the game.
    .- Game 1, 34 points, 13-16 from the field, 11 rebounds – Det wins
    .(Kobe goes 10-27 for 25 points)
    .- Game 2, 29 points, 10-20 from the field, 7 rebounds – LA wins
    .(Kobe goes 14-27 for 33 points)
    .- Game 3, 14 points, 7-14 from the field, 8 rebounds – Det wins
    .(Kobe goes 4-13 for 11 points)
    .- Game 4, 36 points, 16-21 from the field, 20 rebounds – Det wins
    .(Kobe goes 8-25 for 20 points)
    .- Game 5, 20 points, 7-13 from the field, 8 rebounds – Det wins
    .(Kobe goes 7-21 for 24 points)
    .
    Now really, who was the better player during that series?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @pposse, wouldva, couldva shouldva, don’t work man. Imagine if the Kings beat the Lakers, Blazers win game 7 vs. Lakers, Horry does not hit big shots, Kobe miss key shots against Pacers in NBA Finals, Shaq gets hurt in playoffs, Malone got hurt against Pistons, GP does not hit shot with Heat or ZO defense in the middle for Heat, Refs don’t give Wade calls, Shaq might end career with only 3 rings. Their are alot of wouldva, couldva, shouldv’s. Cut that out man. Shaq got 4 rings, 1 MVP, that sounds truly DOMINATE.

  • pposse

    i watched the 04 finals No biased opinion or anything, but it really looked like Kobe and Shaq were battling for the Finals MVP. Like winning the finals was never a question, who was going to be the top dog was the only question.

  • eZ

    Nbk, the way howard has had to sometimes scramble and correct his teammates terrible defensive llet downs no doubt looks impressive, but shaq was easily equally effective in altering shots, deterring drives and guarding his man, besides getting boards and blocks. Howard gives the impression of being more active ill give him that, but he is just lighter on his feet. And i do completely deny that he has the same impact on the nba as shaq, except for that 1 orlando final appearance.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Yall some bias cats, did yall watch the series against the Pistons, they allowed Shaq to play one on one. Lakers should not have made the NBA Finals to me, they lucked up to be honest. Shaq was getting old fast, he was just overpowering Ben getting points. Prince was hounding Kobe, then they would alot Hamilton to chase him and Kobe had to chase Hamilton. Fisher, GP and Malone gave nothing to the Lakers. Two players cannot beat a team and the Laker guards let Billups look like Zeke the second coming, where he got his Mr. Big shot name, which now has ruined his career. To act like Kobe was not playing with FIRE, is straight sad. Pistons allowed Shaq to get his. I should pull up some of the old articles about how the Pistons was playing the series to help some of yall young bucks.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I love how Kobe fans criticize one player for something when their own guy’s resume looks eerily similar or at times, inferior. Funny sh*t.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no eZ, Shaq was not Dwight’s equal defensively. What Howard does against the pick and roll being the most glaringly obvious of the differences. That and Dwight is not basically useless against quick bigs who can use the dribble as Shaq was. What made Shaq as great as Shaq was, had to do with Offense. He was a good defender, but he was nothing to write home about, (he was very foul prone anyway, so he kind of backed off a lot of the time defensively to be able to make his impact on the other end) offense was what separates Shaq from Dwight. But their situations are so different, that Dwight’s defensive dominance might be enough to carry his teams to a similar amount of success to what Shaq enjoyed.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Idk what’s going on right now but cosign seed. The Lakers looked better on paper but the Pistons just played better team ball. I don’t think you can put the blame on Shaq or Kobe. They didn’t get enough help and the Lakers didn’t play good defense. They just got outplayed so to act as if it was Kobe who shot them out of it or Shaq who didn’t play hard enough were the only reasons is being bias to the whole issue.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And, you can argue about impact all you want, but that doesn’t really change anything….f*ck, the case can be made that as a player, Howard has made a greater impact. Considering he has a much more prestigious closet full of awards than Shaq did after the same amount of seasons and the same amount of team success…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Okay, now I get it. Playing with “fire” means you must take ill-advised shots, shoot under 40% from the field all while ignoring your more-dominant teammate. Silly me, here was I thinking that playing with fire meant going out there and dominating your opponent.

  • Jerome

    Dwight is Clark Kent, when compared to Shaq. In every single category … he isn’t even as corny as ShaqFu.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    all of the blame was on Shaq and Kobe. How anyway can say it wasn’t is a mystery unto itself….were you guys not basketball fans in 2004? were you not paying attention? the Lakers were better, they had a better starting lineup, they had a better bench, a better coach, and better stars. They also had homecourt advantage.
    .
    The Lakers lost the 2004 finals because they had 2 madonna’s in their locker room. Both of which were unhappy. The whole second half of the season was like a pissing match. idk how y’all don’t remember that.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Ok, the stats show otherwise. Fair enough. But, Tex Winter and Phil Jackson both stressed that due to Shaq’s ineffective defense on screen roll, they suffered greatly. I’m only satting what they said in the book. Tbh, no one Laker is to blame really. The whole team just weren’t up to par.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if LeBron and Dwight were on the same team today, and didn’t win a title. Would any of you really try and excuse the loss because you thought they didn’t have help? hypocritical Lakers apologists….answer that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’m not saying Shaq shouldn’t get some blame, but he was still their best player during that series. and Shaq’s inability to guard the screen and roll was a problem his whole career, it’s not like that weakness took them by surprise in that series. they didn’t lose because of that. they lost because Kobe and Shaq were throwing active tantrums. Shaq just so happened to throw a much much much more dominant and scary tantrum. But Kobe was younger, less injured, getting better, and even cheaper. So he was who they kept. If Shaq was the same age as Kobe, Shaq would never have been the one shipped out of town.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    But, Kobe was the best player in the game by the time the ’04 Finals occured. That you can take to the bank!
    The game 2 in which they did win, who was it that nailed the deep three pointer to win it??
    If that play was set up for Shaq, he woulda been a liability, i.e. missed the game winning free-throws, or just hurled up a hail-mary which would have went nowhere. They say “Defense wins championships.” Kobe played his.. did Shaq? Nope.

  • feez_22

    @pposse If you watched the 04 finals and really think that kobe and shaq were battling for finals mvp.. well i dunno what to tell you. By game 3, it was a wrap to me that the pistons were going to win the whole thing because of the continued stubborn play of the offense so in reality, none of them were battling for finals mvp. If you had 2 pick a dominant player that series, shaq was that guy. ya big ben did a good job and had a few memorable blocks on shaq but if shaq got the touches necessary he could have easily dropped 40+ in a couple of those games. the problem in the 04 finals was kobe bryant… trying to shoot over tayshaun prince and failing every time. Kobe was horrid in that finals… Kobe usually doesn’t play to his potential in the finals to begin with but i think 04 was kobe’s worst finals appearence of his career probably. Its funny when i hear people say “prince was hounding kobe”… prince was a sophmore in the NBA (although a great defender at that time). Shaq was guarded by a DPOY winner in big ben whom btw got help from sheed in some instances. shaq was defended more harshly than kobe if you take in those facts. Then you take into consideration that kobe was on avg 22ppg on 38% shooting… thats pathetic. esp when you have shaq on your team attracting doubles and you are guarded by a great but 2nd year defender whom you can somewhat exploit being the “best player on a stacked lakers team” as some of you proclaim lol. Honestly, seems like most of you laker fans in here defending 04 didn’t even watch the damn series. probably watched highlights of it on nba tv or something… bc if you watched it, it was CLEAR shaq was the best laker. Clearly… while kobe played like he always does… volume shoot.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I think you nailed it with the statement regarding the tantrums. I totally agree. I think the team chemistry amongst the staff and players prior to a Finals is very underrated, and is a key to helping a successfull campaign in the Finals. Let’s leave it at that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    they say defense wins championships because most of the time you don’t have a guy shooting 60% from the field. If Shaq was given the ball throughout the game, there would have been no need for a last shot. Which, by the way, the whole “but he is the best player because he can be trusted with the last shot” argument is so utterly irrelevant.. The best player wins by enough points to be on the bench when the buzzer sounds. And Shaq, led the Lakers in +/- EVERY GAME of that series. I believe one game Kobe tied him at -8 during a loss. Other than that, Shaq made, in every single measurable way, a more positive impact for the Lakers. And no, in 2004, Shaq was still the best player on the Lakers. — And Tim Duncan was the best player in the league. Or maybe Kevin Garnett that season. But it sure as hell wasn’t Kobe. Even if you don’t have a bank to take that too, you can get that cashed at Western Union.

  • feez_22

    @nbk yup… i believe garnett won MVP that year and led his team to the conference finals with spree and cassell. I dunno where these people get the idea that kobe was the best in 04… which is why i continue 2 say some of these people probably didn’t watch the finals that year. Even a hardcore laker fan has to know 22ppg on 38% shooting in the series isn’t better than shaq’s series.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    My whole thing is that the chemistry among the WHOLE team was off. I’m not one of these typical Laker fans who wants to pin point the destruction of the dynasty on Kobe and Shaq alone. As far as who the best player was on that 04 team it was Shaq without a doubt. Kobe was coming into his own but the alpha was Shaq.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    A lot of valid points all around. I would like to point out; Dwight is not a one-on-one defensive stopper, and Shaq was actually better than Dwight at guarding post players. Howard’s defense is mostly of the help kind. Not saying Shaq is as good as Dwight on defense, but one thing Dwight will never win is a league MVP, or a finals MVP on the team he is on now, so when all is done these two careers will not be close, at all. I’m still skeptical that Dwight possesses the ability to adapt his game (if this injury has taken some bounce). Also, Shaq lead the league in scoring, another feat Dwight will never accomplish. Shaq’s blame for the 2004 loss is vastly overated, the blame at least the lion’s share is Kobe’s; you wanna take the most shots, you tried to be the man and failed; the blame is yours.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You can not sit there and place the blame on another guy especially when that guy does his part and the 2nd best/most important player on the team shoots 38% from the field all while taking more shots. I don’t care which way you twist it, that 2004 loss falls squarely on Kobe’s shoulders, the same way the 2011 Final loss falls on LeBron not Wade.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    By what measure was Kobe the best player in the game? What do you use to determine best?
    The best player in the game doesn’t shoot 38 percent from the floor for a series. He just doesn’t.
    Maybe he had the best “skills” but he wasn’t the best. Because the best player doesn’t waste a talent like Shaq just because he was mad that Shaq didn’t call him to discuss what happened in Eagle, Colo.
    It’s crazy to me that you can watch Kobe get defended by Prince and Hamilton and held to 38 percent and say “Oh he’s was the best in the League and it wasn’t his fault.”
    That’s crap. It was mainly his fault and also the fault of Malone, who was injured, and Payton, who was in steep decline.
    But, there would be no excuse of any other player if he was supposed to be the “best” player in the game and lost in the Finals despite having the best big man, and second best player in the game, as his sidekick. Particularly not when he shot well below his season averages in the series.
    Get real.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Regarding the best player in ’04.
    This is a quote from Jackson’s book…
    In Phil’s words, March 29th 2004.. “I told the press yesterday that Kobe has reclaimed his role as the “top player in the game.” Now I think Phil has a better understanding of players than we all do here. His judgement can be more trusted than ours, considering he was around NBA players on a daily basis. Just sayin’.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @fee_22
    @Jtaylor12
    Prince played darn good defense, ask the Spurs in the NBA Finals that year. That series I think went to a game 7. Pistons was a great team for those years and played defense well. To act like Kobe was the main reason for the 04 lost, proves you did not watch the NBA Finals, shooting percentage does not tell you everything.
    Ask MJ during his NBA FINALS
    90-91 shot 56% 31pts
    91-92 shot 52% 36pts
    92-93 shot 51% 41pts, shot 71% from freethrow line
    95-96 shot 42% 27pts
    96-97 shot 46% 32pts, shot 77% from freethrow line
    97-98 shot 43% 33pts, shot 81% from freethrow line
    See people everyone loves MJ, acts like he never shot bad in any series. Shooting percentage does not tell it all, but when it comes to MJ, everyone forgets he almost cost the Bulls a ring for his continued ball hog ability against the Sonics. I still feel the Jazz and Sonics should have won their series, but MJ had helped, that people forget about ALOT!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t see 38 percent in a Finals loss anywhere on that list.
    And in 98 his second best player and only other scorer was Scottie Pippen who was battling a back injury and was very little help.
    In 95-96 he was going against Gary Payton the last three games and had arguably the worst three games of his post season career. If George Karl had been smart enough to put the DPOY on Jordan earlier, maybe your point would have merit.
    No one forgot anything. You apparently forgot that Pippen could barely walk or get dressed in 1998. You also forgot that when the Bulls went up 3-0 Jordan was absolutely DESTROYING Nate McMillian and Hershey Hawkins. It wasn’t until Karl made the switch to Payton that his numbers dropped.
    And, based ont he list you posted, Jordan has never played as poorly as Kobe in the Finals, never lost in the Finals, and particularly never lost when his second best players was SHAQUILLE O’NEAL!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    PJax was an expert at stroking his players’ ego.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Phil Jackson could have meant anything by that. 2004 is over, we don’t care about anyone’s opinion. Kobe Bryant was, in no way, the best player in the league in 2004. Factually speaking. Did he have the most skill? probably. Did that translate into him being “the best player” in an NBA basketball game? No. And in no way can you make a case that he was.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    @GP23- As if Phil never played politics. lmao of course he said that he knew what direction the Lakers would be going in and sided with the future of the team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, Kobe has been the most skilled player in the game at many points in his career.
    But best? Best is hard to grant him. He had all the skills but he never matched this skills with the right attitude at the same time.
    I mean, when he dropped 35 a game there was not a better scorer in the League. But, he was also petulant and quit on his team in the playoffs while losing to a squad without its second best player after going up 3-1!
    Kobe is hard to evaluate. I’ve long thought he was the most skilled and smartest player who also did the DUMBEST things on the floor at times.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    A player’s awards are not a direct representation of his impact on the game. They tell part of the story, but only when placed in proper context. Think about it: by his third season in the league, Shaq was averaging 29.3/11.4/2.4 blcks. Obviously per-game production should also be placed in its proper context, but, notwithstanding Howard’s superior defense, Shaq clearly had the better career when entering his ninth season. Had their careers ended at the same time – entering their ninth season – Shaq would be remembered as one of the top-3 players to never win a ring. You can’t say the same thing about Howard. As for Shaq underachieving or Dwight being too much of a clown to win: yeah, you have to take personality into account when evaluating a player’s career if you can show that it’s related to some aspect of their performance. Both Shaq and Howard were slow to improve aspects of their game that kept them from reaching their fullest potential (although Shaq’s D is underrated). Sure, that “potential” is set to a ridiculously high standard, but that’s what happens when you have loads of talent and physical ability (see: Lebron). Psychology relates to production on a basketball court. How exactly is up for debate, but it’s certainly not silly to argue about it. Countless people around Lebron have linked successful changes in his game and ability to lead with changes in his personality. You have to consider that those changes in his personality may have at least played a part in the crazy year he just had. Just like Dwight might have to refine his personality, refine how he approaches his profession in order to reach his full potential.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    @seed 43%>33% and 33ppg>22ppg what are you trying to prove with those numbers? Oh wait and MJ won.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You sit there talking about MJ had “help” when Kobe has now played with 2 #1 overall picks in their prime who just happen to be two of the most dominant centers of the last 15yrs. You think MJ and Shaq would have ever lost in the Playoffs let alone to the 04 Pistons.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    From Phil Jackson -
    .
    . – “Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there,” Jackson told the Los Angeles Times, “but it’s one thing to hope to be like him, it’s another thing to be like him.”

    Kobe Bryant earns high praise from Phil Jackson, but the Lakers coach says his current star should not be compared to Michael Jordan. (AP photo)
    “I’m with (ESPN’s) Bill Simmons on this,” he added. “We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It’s just not fair. He was remarkable. …

    “(Kobe) doesn’t shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he’s not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he’s a great player in his own right.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    LOL…..MJ didn’t play next to Shaq though, which was the most dominant force in the league like MJ was and I think Scottie performed horrible against the sonics and was injured against the jazz in the 98 finals.

  • little aristotle

    the lakers will sweep the west and then sweep miami if they make it to the finals

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man everyone but Seed understands these basic facts. It’s crazy that his man crush on Kobe won’t allow him to admit the obvious.
    As far as big men, Kobe will now play with two #1 picks, a #3 pick and a #10 pick.
    There is fortunate and then there is pretty damn lucky.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant & Magic Johnson are the most fortunate non Celtics in league history in terms of the talent of their teammates. That should not diminish their legacy (assuming you are being rational in the first place), it’s just the way it shook out for them.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Who would you rather play with Shaq or the greatest all around defensive player ever and the greatest rebounder ever pound for pound. Without Rodman on those Bulls team, they lose to Malone. Without Pippen having to switch to guard Magic, they lost that series. MJ is so overrated in everything on this site, but come on. MJ stated Kobe is comparable to him, and yall still think Kobe can’t play.
    ____________________________________________________________
    Analyze this Kobe took a team with Pau as the second best player on his team to three straight NBA Finals and won 2. IF Pau steps up in first, he has another three peat. Pau is less help than MJ had on any of his teams to be honest. Yall need to stop acting like Kobe hasn’t showed he is the man. Taking the Lakers with Pau as your second best player, when he could not win at least one playoff game as the man on the Grizzles, is straight GREAT!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    The mark of a really transcendent perimeter player is the ability to win without a dominant big man. Jordan did it. Lebron did it. Kobe needed Shaq, Gasol, and now Howard. That doesn’t make him a bad player at all, it just reflects that Kobe’s on-court production doesn’t always measure up to his skillset.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    STOP ARGUING WITH SEED
    .
    BYE

  • peregrine

    Allenp is on point with this. Kobe has ALWAYS made the game harder for himself in spite of his vast basketball knowledge. Jordan knew how to play the team game far better than Kobe ever has, and that is the crucial difference between the two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Pippen is the GOAT.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @peregrine, OK, MJ stats state otherwise, This is too easy
    No. 10 Jordan worst – Game 3 1998 Finals – Jordan only had 24 points on a night where he took only 14 shots of which he made 7. He made 10 of 11 from the line against Utah and the Bulls won anyway. Jordan added only 3 rebs, 2 assists, 1 stl and 1 blk.

    No. 9 Jordan worst – In the 1996 closer against Seattle (game 6), Jordan won on Father’s Day, and capped off a comeback like no other finishing off a 72-10 season. But in that last game he didn’t put up impressive individual stats…well he did, but just not compared to himself. He was rather Kobeish in this one. Jordan had a career Finals low 22 points on 5 of 19 shooting. He did make 11 of 12 from the line and added seven boards but he did have five turnovers. His stats weren’t his best, but it was his most satisfying title win that night!

    No. 8 Jordan worst – The Seattle series in 1996 was the only time Jordan had great teammates. In game one he had a sub-par Jordan game but the team still won. MJ scored 28 points on 9 of 18 shooting. He also made 9 of 10 from the line and added 7 rebs 2 asts 2 stls and 1 blk. He did have 4 fouls, but this is Jordan’s eighth WORST finals game, that’s how good he was.

    No. 7 Jordan worst – When the Bulls lost to Portland in game four of the 1992 Finals he was kind of off, but his teammates were to blame on a higher level. Jordan contributed with 32 points, but only made 11 of 26 shots from the field. He was a perfect 8 for 8 from the line but only hit 2 of 6 three’s. He did have six assists and five boards in the game but it wasn’t enough – after all he didn’t have Shaq or Gasol to make him look better.

    No. 6 Jordan worst – At age 35 Jordan was the oldest NBA MVP and scoring champion ever. The first finals game in 1998 kind of showed his age and the Jazz won. Jordan did have an outstanding 33 points but he shot badly (for MJ not for Kobe) with a 13/29 shooting night and 6/8 free throws. He had two blocks but no steals and only two assists with three boards in the loss.

    No. 5 Jordan worst – Game 3 1992 Finals vs. Portland wasn’t Jordan’s greatest personal performance ever, but he still willed his team to the win in the end. His point total was 26, on 11 of 22 shooting. He missed all four three pointers he took but he did have 3 steals 4 assists and 5 rebounds. In the press conference, as if apologizing for only scoring 26 in the win Jordan said, “It was a win, and that’s all that matters.”

    No. 4 Jordan worst – Any loss in the Finals for Jordan was a bad game to him. In game five in 1998 vs. Utah, Jordan ‘only’ had 28 points in 45 minutes of play and the team lost. He shot an abysmal 9 of 26 from the field and the Bulls just looked lost. Jordan came up with 10 of 11 free throws but added only 4 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 steals.

    No. 3 Jordan worst – Jordan did shoot 50% on the night and he held up his end of the bargain but the Bulls did lose against Seattle in game 5 of 1996. He had a personal low one assist in the game but he did score 26 points. Was he being selfish or did his teammates suck that bad? I’d go with his teammates sucked that bad, not like Shaq or Gasol. This was Longley and Wennington. After all Jordan did go 11/22 on the night in his third worst ever Finals game.

    No. 2 Jordan worst – In game four vs Utah in 1997, the 34 year-old Jordan, tied a personal career finals low with only 22 points. He was 11/27 from the field, and the Bulls lost their second in a row against the Jazz.

    No. 1 Jordan worst – After winning the first three in a row of the 1996 Finals the Bulls came out sluggish in game four leading to the first of two straight losses. Jordan looked a grizzled 33 years old in his worst ever finals game. He only shot 6 of 19 from the field and he made 11 of 13 free throws but he did miss both his three attempts. He only had three rebounds and two assists with one steal. His four turnovers and three fouls with 23 points in a loss, made this the worst Jordan ever played in the finals, which ain’t really that bad compared to… you know who! Ha ha ha

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    The comment @ 6:21 was not me…..We all know Kobe the GOAT, Right seed?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, so it was just Kobe and Pau? No Ron Artest. No Andrew Bynum. No Trevor Ariza or Derek Fisher. Just Kobe and Pau, the former number 3 pick in the League and a 20 and 10 player.
    Man, this is ridiculous. You really think Kobe can challenge MJ and to believe this you must denigrate what Jordan accomplished. No one claims Jordan didn’t have help, but what all of us know is this:
    Shaq > Scottie Pippen
    That’s true all day every day. And it’s not a slight edge. It’s a humongous massive edge that can’t ever be crossed.
    Kobe is a great volume scorer with an amazing work ethic. But, he is a chucker to the core, overrated on defense and has regularly hurt his team with his unwillingness to involve others once he became the Alpha dog.
    Why are you acting like Pau is a bum when he’s a great second option? Man this is sad, so very sad. I can’t believe another human could be this stubborn and blind to reality. It’s scary.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan” – Phil Jackson, March 2011.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The worst game on the 1998 Finals was a game Jordan shot 50 percent from the field? Are you series Seed?
    YOu do realize Kobe shot 38 percent in 2004, right? My God man.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You could write a book as big as the bible and still won’t be able to convince anyone with a ounce of knowledge that Kobe is in the same stratosphere as MJ.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com/content/view/424/37/ Shock Exchange

    The Shock Exchange is curious how long it takes before D12 does his “Chris Childs” impression … mid-season?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Allenp
    I think you discredit, what Kobe did with overrated Pau and Artest/Ariza and Fisher. Pau was not a household name until the Lakers, in Memphis nobobdy was stating Pau is a top player, then when he gets to Lakers, he is most skilled bigman crap. So MJ was not a volume shooter, OK
    @nbk
    MJ stated Kobe can be compared to him.So, Kobe must be thrilled to hear that it sounds like His Airness is finally recognizing him as his equal. Writer Roland Lazenby is currently working on a book with MJ. And, earlier this week, he sent out a series of tweets indicating that Jordan seems to agree with all of the people who compare Kobe to him.

    “I never said Kobe was better than MJ,” Lazenby wrote. “MJ just told me Kobe’s the only one to have done the work, to deserve comparison.”

    It’s not exactly the highest praise we’ve ever heard someone give another person. But, hey: If you’re Kobe, you’re happy right now. And, if you’re a Kobe hater? Well, we’re sorry to have to be the ones to break this news to you. The comments section is all yours.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Technically my Bulls are the greatest then because Jordan was on the Bulls..right guys? Right? No? Ok then :(

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    MJ would state anything that makes him look better. “sure compare Kobe to me, because in that situation i will always, 100% of the time, win the comparison” – if you know anything about Michael Jordan, even with all your irrational and frankly stupid opinions, you know Jordan is trying to win at all times. Even if it’s not a real competition. — By letting you compare Kobe to himself, he’s winning. Every minute, of every comparison.

  • http://usatoday.com Lucious Vorenus

    Kobe shot the Lakers out of a title in ’04. That’s as close to a fact as an opinion can get for anyone who actually watched the series. To say otherwise is to admit you’re a Kobe stan, not a ball fan. Kobe is the closest to MJ in terms of style, but Laker fans confuse this for being close to MJ as a player. Other guys could have chosen to jack Jordan’s mannerisms and moves but they chose not to. I respect that. I respect the fact that Kobe is a great player, but he’s not near Jordan’s level.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Joakim Noah is the next Muhammad Ali..

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    Pau was rookie of the year, and very much a housle hold name before he became a Laker and since he came in the league he was widely considered one of the top-ten in a very stacked PF position.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @nbk
    If you know anything about Michael Jordan, he does not give out any compliments about anybody being compared to him. chill with that crap. MJ and Kobe are friends and MJ recognizes game. Some of yall don’t. When he is gone, then you will realize how great his talent was and how all of these new cats now, don’t even measure up to him. Its like when Kobe states Rose and CP3 have the same competitive edge like him, he does not give it out or compliment, but they do. MJ knows and when that day comes and MJ states it out loud for you all to hear, don;t say I told you so.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ya’ll hear that the Lakers picked up Dwight Howard in a trade?
    .
    Haha, Seed is my favorite troll by far. The dude is just him every time. Gotta appreciate?? lol.
    .
    Kobe was arguably the best player in 04. I would have taken, Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett over him. Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady are arguable also, but for me it’s Kobe as the best guard then. He had a slightly below average statistical year in 04, but both 03 and 05 were incredible statistical years. So I doubt Kobe was ‘worse’ that year.
    .
    We should start distinguishing the difference between guards and power forward/centers. They play two completely different roles on the team. Duncan, Shaq, and Garnett all had physical advantages for this game. They are big. They are suppose to put up a higher FG%. They don’t shoot threes and jumpers as much if at all. Forwards and centers in general are going to get layups and alley oops handed to them a few times throughout a game. Is that the mark of a “great” player? Someone who can convert open layups? No. It’s not. So don’t let FG% fool you into just thinking someone was dominant.
    Am I saying that Shaq wasn’t dominant? Fack no.
    MDE
    Kobe can take the lions share of blame for 04 if you guys want to say that. He didn’t have good looking statistics so you can come to that conclusion, but if you know anything, that 04 season was insane for the Lakers. So many rumors. New team mates (that are old and use to doing things that they can’t anymore.) No bench. Two Star players that both want the spot light. This team met…
    One of the best defensive teams ever, that did many things that no team in history has done before. Prince, whether you want to admit it or not, was maybe the best ‘Kobe defender’ ever. Big Ben was without a doubt the best Shaq defender ever. Rasheed Wallace is great in his own right. Bilups was beast and earned a nick name for his series there.
    What does this all amount to IMO?
    Pistons for starters need another round of applause…
    *slow clap initiated*
    Job well done gentlemen! You have us questioning whether two top 10 players All Time are really all that good. LMAO…
    As we know. All great teams do not and cannot stay together for consecutive years and just keep on winning year after year. There’s this disease that has been going around for years to great teams that want to stay together. It’s called the disease of more. This team was suffering in many reguards. Some parts due to Kobe, and some Shaq, some elsewhere. This is Holly Wood afterall…
    But what I meant to say is…. “It’s Kobe’s fault.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan was far and way the most productive defensive player to guard Shaq

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You do know that one of the knock on KG dating back to his Sota days was his tendecy to fall in love with his jumper, right? I understand the point you’re trying to make but you can not use that as an excuse as to why Kobe shot such a low percentage during that Finals.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Debatable. It’s definitely between him and Big Ben. At least post 96.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Actually it was a tandem of Duncan and Robinson. My bad. Still that was the best anyone did on Shaq

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Tim Duncan was the only one who could guard Shaq. Name somebody else?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Benjamin Wallace dammit how many times do I have to say it.
    .
    LOL

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Ben Wallace “held” Shaq to, 26.5 on like 60% from the field. What he was great at was keeping Shaq off the boards. That’s where he was actually effective.

  • David

    Long time reader, first time poster. Just wanna say that everything that JTaylor21 says sounds incredibly arrogant. Lol that’s all I want to contribute.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Yao Ming was the only player the Shock Exchange saw who Shaq could not man handle one-on-one.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    Oh and Dwight Howard is not the pound for pound best defensive player ever. Russell, and Olajuwan and Nate Thurmond are 3 off top that are better pound for pound or any other way then Dwight.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    My bad I misread, you mean to say you think Dennis Rodman is the best pound for pound defensive player the league has ever seen? take my last comment and substitute “Dwight Howard” for “Dennis Rodman”

  • iceman

    lets not forget MJ won DPOY award in 1988 in the Bad Boy Piston era no doubt the better defensive and offensive player to kb24 lets leave the comparisons alone and let the Mamba be the Mamba.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dwight would be pulling in around 20 boards a night, and somewhere around 5 blocks.
    Rodman would be rebounding over 30 a game and would probably also have insane steal and block numbers…
    In 1964…
    .
    .
    .
    It’s relative.
    Different era’s.
    Different athletes.
    It’s different.
    We don’t know who the best pound for pound defender ever is.
    We only know era’s. Something we keep on forgetting around these parts.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    NAP went all out

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    Shortened season more contact less teams, how bout’ we just compare what they did to their contemporaries. I’m not sure Dwight would be able to handle the dirty play from back then. Simplify if you want. One could contend that with workout programs and nutritional information the athletes from yester year would dominate this era as well, you see thats why we compare them to their contemporaries. Oh and as I said before Dwight is a mediocre one-on-one post defender at best, remember when Pau bust his @$$ in the finals? You think Pau was putting those numbers up against Olajuwan? Russell? or even 1964 Nate Thurmond? f()k outta here

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    NAP I wouldnt say shaq’s n dwight’s career beside there teams n nicknames aren’t comparable enough to copy wikipedia pages.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    I hate all of you

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    Tarzan dont hate appreciate.

  • bigA

    fake NBK you suck.

  • bigA

    get your good, son.

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Get off my dlck bigahole.

  • BallsDeep

    Idiots. Shaq > DH. No question. DH would have been on the bench in the 90′s. He dominates (sorta) now but it is against Lopez caliber players, Kaman etc. Prime Shaq was 147 kilos (325Lbs). Dude, that is huge. No one I have ever seen could stop him. Shaq was sick on dfence. Fully sick. He played in the time of illegal D so unlike DH he didn’t just float around the key. He worked hard… and dominated. I rank him as the best 5 ever!
    1. AI
    2. MJ
    3. LBJ
    4. Barkley
    5. Shaq
    I know AI wasn’t a 1, but he could play it.
    That team destroys anybody!

  • http://www.slamonline.com flea

    I’d bet that team could not “destroy” these guys..lol.
    Magic
    Kobe
    Bird
    Duncan
    Kareem

  • Drig

    Uum……..I’m sure I’m late to this discussion (again) but to be fair in ’04, Kobe did have a major stake in LAL losing that Finals. But at the same time, nobody else on the Lakers sans Shaq could shoot well at all. Fisher was shooting 30% and he was the 2nd most effective guy from the perimeter. The team needed Kobe to be his usual self to win along with Shaq. The problem was his 3pt shooting was abysmal ( he wasn’t too bad minus those 3s he literally chucked at times ). Infact, the only perimeter players who were effective were Billups ( guarded by Fisher and Payton who did force Shaq to step up on D and close up which he didn’t ) and Rip ( who again used tons of screens and LAL just couldn’t keep up ). I get the fact that Kobe screwed up in ’04 but I just wish guys would keep it in perspective. Also, re: Shaq > Pippen comment, YES. DEFINITELY. But I dare anyone to say with a straight face that LAL 00-02 > Bulls during either of those 3peat runs. LAL 00-02 was mostly Kobe-Shaq. Bulls had a much better supporting cast than LAL during those years. ( LAL hasn’t had a good bench in ages…… )

  • Drig

    BTW agreed with AllenP that Kobe is hard to evaluate. I think it was Tex who said Kobe always knew what the right play was and didn’t mind doing it UNTIL the game was on the line. It was then that he broke the plays and decided to try out new stuff which weren’t the most sound options for the team but one that Kobe believed only he could do. He failed many times. But he did accomplish doing it quite a few times at the same time too. Personally, I always believed Kobe to be the most skilled and , despite the way he plays, the most intelligent player in the L for a long time. ( Infact, purely on the basis of intellect, I’d say he’d be the best candidate to become a coach ) But never the best all round player. He isn’t IMO a chucker but to each his own.

  • Drig

    @flea……….Kareem vs Shaq would be a one way street. Each one of them would burn the other guy on O lol. Personally, Magic, Kobe, LBJ/Bird, Duncan/KG and Hakeem would destroy any team. Magic, Kobe and Hakeem…………I’d give up anything to be able to witness that just once….

  • eZ

    Can we get back to the leading subject of this article, DH?
    And his comparison to Shaq, which is favourable to some.
    My case, in short is that there’s not much difference in defensive presence/effectiveness between the two. Shaqs actually better statistical. Dwight is a little bit more active because of the need to help his non dfense playing teammates and alos because of the undersize/underskill of his present day opponents. Shaq played with the heavyweights in skill and size and also produced much better offensively.
    So a complete comparison to me is overwhelmingly in Shaqs favor, while their defensive impact is comparable.
    Any thoughts?

  • eZ

    Oh and league impact is really not equal. I don’t look at accolades alone but the way teams fear you, adjust to you, coaches coach against you, respect you get, press you get. DH is merely a good player while Shaq was great

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Scalabrine is the GOAT. Jordan pays Scalabrine to let him pick up his groceries.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq is not better statistically on the defensive end. Unless you only look at blocks. If you even kind of understand how to read an advanced defensive number, Dwight is clearly, not even close, the better defender.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I am a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan. I know that Kobe was worse than Shaq that series in 04. I know that Lebron is probably better. I know Shaq was the best on those dynasty teams. I know Kobe had amazing teammates. Some of the Laker fans here need to get realistic here (seed,GP23).

  • Decatur Don

    At the end of the day Kobe is a first ballot HOF ya’ll can debate all you want but you have no power to stop his accomplishments…..all you doing is wasting Keystrokes.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And you wasted yours to tell us to stop wasting ours.
    Kudos sir.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    I’m wasted right now…and I’m at work!

  • WhatsTrilly

    Dwight is corny as fuuuu.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I admire The Seed’s passion for what he believes in. lol

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