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Saturday, October 19th, 2013 at 3:25 pm  |  194 responses

Kevin Durant Says Time for Dwyane Wade to ‘Pass the Torch’ to James Harden (VIDEO)

Kevin Durant continues to insist that James Harden is a better basketball player than Dwyane Wade, going so far as to say that it’s time for the declining Wade to pass the torch to the younger Harden.

(H/T: Eurohoops)

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  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    lol its time for kevin durant to pass the torch to james harden as 2nd best in the league. Shout to the Pyndersein Ave.

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  • George

    Kevin really has a hard on for Wade. Kevin needs to worry about being the 5th seed in the west, the top teams are the Clippers, Spurs,Warriors and Rockets. Westbrook won’t be back until December.

  • oreilly11

    wow steve carells doing nba interviews now?

  • George

    If Kevin loved Harden so much why did he sit back and say nothing while his owner gave Harden away for nothing?

  • Jayril Ritual

    You should win a chip first before telling wade bout passing the torch

  • ScrewT

    Harden is taking it, rather Wade wants to give it up or not. He’s younger and better at this point. Harden will probably be considered the 3rd best player in the NBA by season’s end and maybe even be comparable to Durant for #2.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    I know he got dragged into answering this question again but we heard you the first time. Ok, Harden is better than Wade… Lebron is better than all of y’all. Now let’s play ball and get this season rockin!!! Leave all the BS alone.

  • shockexchange

    (Kevin Garnett voice) “Time for KD to worry bout his own team.”

  • Lloyd

    It’s got to the point that I think this is just an elaborate mind game orchestrated by Durant to get in Harden’s head, seeing as they maybe conference rivals this year.

  • Shooting Guard

    There’s bigger issues to worry about: Lebron James

  • Melvin flynt

    How can dwade 3time nba champion pass the torch when he still holds the throne!-kd and James harden have not done ish! Compared to #3

  • Allan

    Cant wait for the Thunder-Heat & Rockets-Heat games this season

  • JibbsIsBallin

    Who the hell did DWade get the torch passed down to him from? Durant obviously has some personal shizz with Wade to keep talking smack. And Stand by your word? Come on man, you should’ve stood by your boy Harden when he was getting traded to Houston. And why doesn’t he stand by the word how he great of a player and team OKC is and win a at least 1 ring? Last time I checked Wade has 3.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    Either he doesn’t understand that he needs to let this go or he’s clearly forgotten what Wade has accomplished. I think its just immaturity man.

  • Najee Fareed

    not his job or in his power to keep players or sedn players away

  • Najee Fareed

    Harden has proven last season that he has surpassed Wade. James averaged 26-6-5 as opposed to Wade’s 21-5-5 that is bound to decline even further again.

  • shockexchange

    It’s some kind of publicity stunt. *EDIT* It’s the equivalent of saying, “Harden has more groupies than Black Ric Flair.” Which begs the question, “Why does Durant care?”

  • dcthemvp

    Says the one trick pony. Who is durant to dictate anything? He’s never won anything in his life other than a scoring title. If we truely tired of being 2nd maybe he should get of hardens nuts and work on being the best. Taking shots at a player who was clearly limited physically due to injuries is non sense. In all honesty wade played through what most players miss months for. He put his body on the line to help his team win. Something he’s done his entire career. When he comes back healthy and as strong as ever this year, gives okc a whooping, I expect an apology from Kevin durant. I’d still take wade over kevin durant. Wades proven durant is not. No one knows what will happen after a serious injury to durant a fragile body. Durant could be the next tmac in the flash of an eye and he’s disrespecting a 3 time champion, future hall of famer, and heart of Miami. Durant has lost all my respect and I can’t wait to see an “old declining wade” stomp on his ego. Lebron isn’t lying when he said wade looks great. Spoelstra wasn’t lying when he said wades stronger and in the best shape of his life. And wades keeping quiet and taking pre season easy for a reason. Y’all are in for a suprise, especially you, durant. Flash is back. Flash > durantula. And for harden, I’m quite confirm he wouldn’t be so quick to agree with durant. Never doubt wade. Never. He thrives off it.

  • dcthemvp

    Wade made Miami. Durant had the opportunity to the same and we all know what happened. Still waiting for you to even have a torch durant.

  • loll

    maybe cos Harden didnt have LeBron playing next to him..

  • BigM

    so who passed the torch to durant?

  • dcthemvp

    If you consider averaging 25 5 6 on 43% as a first option on a team with the highest offensive tempo and no other scoring threats better than averaging 21 5 5 on 52% as a 2nd option on a defensive minded team then you may be right. Put into consideration wade played less minutes, attempted fewer shots per game, and didn’t control the ball nearly as much. Before you go ruling wade out as old and done, keep into consideration wade put up 34 and 6 steals in a decisive game 4 of the finals, 25 10 assts in game 5, and 22 and 10 reb in game 7 all while suffering several non structural injuries. See, the difference is wade wouldn’t allow himself to heal because he didn’t want to let his team down. He endured more injuries while playing hurt and still ultimately got the job done. He finishe the season with 3 bone bruises and knee tendinitis, all of which is non structural and takes TIME to heal. Something wade and Miami didn’t have. Before wade bumped his knee during the end of miami’s winning streak he was averaging 26 6 6 on 50% or better shooting for 20 straight games, the only player since MJ to do so. Again, even on a bum knee wade played at a high level. Y’all are incredibly foolish to doubt him now. Just wade and see.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Who is Garnett and Duncan gonna pass the torch to between Lamarcus, Kevin, Blake, Anthony Davis, and Julius Randle

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Durant needs pass the torch to harden for 2nd in the league as stated below

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    pyschological warefare. Maybe increase jealousy of wade for lebron’s success and make him shoot higher volume to damage the heat’s chances lol snarf lol snarf josh

  • Joeb Calf

    LOL…Good one

  • dcthemvp

    Harden averaged 26 5 6 on 43% shooting as a lone star on a league leading offensive tempo team. Who competed for the ball? Parsons? Wade was a 2nd option, with ray Allen to share mins with, along with tons of talent who need touches too, and that guy lebron who holds the ball 20 out of 24 seconds, still averaged 21 5 5 on 52% shooting and is coming off his 3rd ring. Even while injured wade put incredible numbers in decisive games. 34 points and 6 steals in game 4 of the finals, 25 10 assts in game 5, and 22 10 REB in game 7. If that’s what you guys consider old and done you’re in for a suprise this season. He’s not facing structural damage like kobe, Westbrook, rose, etc. he had bone bruises. The same reason Bynum never suited up for the sixers. What you guys seen was a player who should of sat to heal but wouldn’t let his team down and came through when it mattered most. Don’t let the numbers fool ya. Wade will spank harden any day yesterday today or tomorrow even on 1 knee. Now put into consideration wade gt the same procedure done before his 08-09 season averaging 30 PTS 8 asts, he’s dropped 15 lbs to reduce impact on his knees, and he has been working relentlessly with Tim Grover this summer ( MJs old trainer and the same guy who got wade into prime shape. He’s only 31. He’s not facing a healing ACL and being projected to be MVP like rose, but instead he’s finally rested and healed. Barring any further setbacks wade is going to have a crazy year in effort of keeping lebron around, proving his doubters wrong, and most importantly provin to himself he can maintain at top level competition. He’s a cleaner. Something kd, harden, and even lebron know nothing about. Never doubt wade. Never. This is his year, mark my words. Write it down, take a picture, I don’t give a f-ck! Flash is back.

  • dcthemvp

    Lol durant will never have a torch to pass and he’s talking like he’s won something. Mr runner up is getting a little too much confidence.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    thanks Joeb Calf. interesting name where does it come from?

  • dcthemvp

    I also forgot to mention basketball has 2 sides to the ball. Not just the offensive side. Wade is complete. Harden is not. Old and declining Wade had a better PER than harden, better WAM rating, better AST/TO ratio, more steals, blocks, and held his opponents to an astounding 36% shooting. Wades been misrepresented horribly. He’s not old. He’s 31. He’s not done. He had bone bruises, not tears or ANY structural damage. Meanwhile right now wade is dominating the spurs and looking as good as ever. Euro step on Tim Duncan you’ll see later on sports center, a nice turnaround jumper, followed by a bank shot. He’s splitting double teams, running the pick and roll, etc. I’m telling you, whether you want to believe it or not, flash is back and flash is no doubt better than harden, but better than durant as well. I’ll wait for durant to prove me wrong.

  • Chester

    Nah. No one cares about him.

  • Chester

    Lol I love it! Players need this competitiveness and give slight jabs to each other. It provides motivation for the players and provides even greater showmanship when they play each other.

  • ballislife

    I wonder if this hate developed during that commercial they shot, in which they played each other’s rival.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    interesting. do you think gatorade is using this as a sequel to a new commercial.BTW no comparison Durant would smash Wade regardless of the ring argument. If Durant had shaq he’d be a champion too. Shout out to all the HarlemItes on 45th and Lennox Ave. Shout to the Buckhead Bankhead LOoRplays, Shout out to the Slarticus Ave.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Man I agree we need to objectify the player so that we can get the maximum entertainment for our lives. Let’s stay away from talking about their personal lives. trash Talk showmanship the attire and the kicks all come with the athlete i just am not of fan of the vulgar language.

  • Castrovi

    Shhh… you’ll scare emm

  • Chester

    “just wade and see” LOL too good haha. I disagree with your argument you put up there, but I do enjoy the occasional stupid pun.

  • Najee Fareed

    the 43% is just growing pains as he transitions into the first option. He is bound to get better looks with Howard commanding more of an offensive presence. Wade was injured but like Durant said, guys get older. His 22-5-5 per 36 were even lower than Harden’s 24-5-5. Plus Wade’s high shooting percentage is mainly his almost refusal to shoot a three(open or not[25.8% from behind the arc]), and taking the back seat to Lebron James. When wade was the same age, he avearged 25-6-5 on 49.5% shooting and won a championship while paired with a dominant big man. Let’s see what happens with Harden this year. I am an admitted Heat Hater but take what I say with the utmost unbiasedness.

  • dcthemvp

    You disagree but fail to state your argument. Short words for the short minded.

  • B!

    LMFAO!

  • ScrewT

    So you’re saying Harden needs to be punished because Wade has better talent around him? If Harden was second option behind LeBron, I’m sure he would get the over 50% shooting also because he wouldn’t be getting double teamed as often. Last year, no one had to worry about anyone on the Rockets except Harden, while teams who play Miami have to watch for 3-4 players at all times.

  • dcthemvp

    Growing pains? Shooting high volumes at inefficient rates is growing pains? Then Kobe’s been experiencing growing pains his entire 17 year nba career. Wades always been an efficient player that’s why his career average is 50% and he’s always among the league leaders in PER. Before you go saying wade needed Shaq remember Shaq was on the bench in crunch time averaging 13 ppg in those finals. Alonzo mourning was more of a contributing factor with his defense and that’s why Riley went with Zo down the stretch. As for riding the back seat to lebron, who wouldn’t? He’s the best right now. What part of 2nd option don’t you get? What did harden do when he wasn’t the 1st option? He came off the bench! Harden would be a role player on Miami with 16 ppg MAX. Numbers are irrelevant: hardens the 1st option on the leagues highest offensive tempo team, while wade is the 2nd option one of the lower ranked offensive tempo teams, and wade still had a better season for multiple reasons which I already listed. Lebron demands the ball 20/24 second shot clock. Wade changed his game entirely and now plays without the ball, which his numbers are a reflection of. Harden will have to adjust his game as well resulting in fewer touches. Don’t let the numbers fool ya cause wade will spank harden yesterday, today, and tomorrow, even on 1 leg. But that ain’t the case as he’s healthy now and ready to show it this season. He looked magnificent tonight hitting his jumper (ugh ohh), turnaround, bank shot, euro step on Duncan, step backs, you name it he did it and looked good. Even the announcers noticed he had “a bounce back in his step that’s been missing these last two years”. So, keep counting on a unproven player. I’ll count on one who performs at a high level even while injured. 34 6 steals in game 4, 25 10 assts game 5, 22 10 REB game 7. All decisive nba finals games while injured and supposedly on the decline. What has harden proven in the playoffs so far? A disappearing act or two? Comparing harden to wade is one thing.Now comparing Howard to Shaq is another. Keep dreaming. Your credibility is lost. Your hopes will be crushed, heat hater.

  • dcthemvp

    No harden shouldn’t be appraised though, that’s for sure. Cool, he had a break out year. Like you said, Houston had no one. He was trying to show Oklahoma they made a mistake. It was bound to happen. Now quit with all your if’s! If harden had Shaq. If harden had lebron. Harden would be a role player on Miami like he was on Oklahoma. Until harden does something important, or when it actually matters, keep him off a superstar category.

  • dcthemvp

    I apologize I thought I was replying to someone else when I said quit with the ifs. You aren’t the one who was talking about if harden had Shaq. My bad there.

  • shockexchange

    Maybe. It’s just out of character for Durant to be beefin’ with other players. He’s usually more diplomatic.

  • BugEyes

    KD is not nice

  • robb

    time for KD to shut up

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    diplomacy and tolerance are insulting. be truthful no matter what. whose better russell or wade? harden or russell?

    tell me about your life starting from you birth

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    so scalabrine is better than barkley because the rings. you gots to be from oakland has kreyshawn.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    give harden shaq and lbj he’d be a 4x champ.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    holiday season

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    najee interesting are you from houston?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Where is kobe in all of this?

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    No, you tell me about your life starting from your birth.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    In how many words? It’s weird that you would reply to a personal convo between me and schockexchange unless you really are schockexchange behind a another identity

  • uqk

    dirk

  • keyon dooling

    tell that to Bron circa 07-10 in Cleveland, bud.

  • JML-G

    what are you some kind of retard?

  • JML-G

    preach

  • JML-G

    backpackin KD saying allot bs, i wont even comment it, but let me say one thing – he wont be thinking bout Wade after his team fails again, again and again and he’ll have to move to a big market.. since he tries to be so extremely humble, i expect it to be similar to Dwightmare

  • tahirnaeem

    That’s Flash for you..

    http://youtu.be/4Pd_-589epc

  • fruizm

    Finland.

  • Drig

    Heat fans better NEVER complain about Kobe fans if they believe Wade right now is better than Durant right now.

  • Drig

    Durant: Wade, you better pass the torch to my boy, Harden.

    Wade: Time to teach you kid a lesson in RESPECT

    Harden: Nah, I’m seriously good but I’d rather wait and get the better of Wade in a few matchups before I proclaim that, Durant. Thanks for the shout out man!

    Russ : Nobody ever gives a damn about me even though I’m just as good as Harden.

    Howard: *Turning to the media* See, being a veteran around here, Dwight Howard decided to do what’s best for Dwight Howard and his team – tell Harden to do his talking on the court – like me and other greats. Speaking of greats, I’m actually hurt Orlando didn’t retire my jersey, not that I particularly mind it…………….

    LBJ : I wanna play atleast one game in the NFL.

    Kobe : *Silently thinks about when he gave the torch to Wade while frothing at ESPN’s ranking in an underground chamber in Germany*

    TD: ………..

    KG : Oh yeah, Tim? Oh yeah? *Slaps Tim on the head* And all of you worry about your own teams!

    Never knew competition for the second best SG in the L was taken this seriously by NBA players.

  • Feez_22

    I agreed with you until you said you would take wade over durant… That’s when you lost me.

    You say all these things about what durant could be with an injury. Well… Wade is pretty much those things now as he has been injured the past 2 years. He gets injured, comes back and then gets injured again. His play style means he will continue to get injured down the road. His effectiveness while injured is very low. Even when he isn’t injured, durant is a superior player (at this point).

    Wade does look really good. He is thinner and looks quicker. He says that he isn’t at 100% and it will take time to get to that point. However, as i just said… 100% durant > 100% wade right now. Not talking about career accomplishments… just talking about what wade is right now. Wade isn’t better than durant.

  • Busta213

    I always enjoy hearing about how Zo was more valuable than Shaq even though Avery Johnson was still throwing double teams at Shaq – which gives other players (Wade!) room to operate. Noone was doubling Zo at this stage.
    Anyways in the 4 wins Shaq put up 15pts and 12rbs with 1 block a game over 36mpg.
    Zo produced 4ppg 4rpg 2bpg over 10mpg
    The blocking was great, but your premise is almost akin to saying Joel Anthony or Birdman are better than Bosh because they outplayed him in one game.

  • dcthemvp

    Obviously you missed the games live because the importance of Alonzo mourning defense far outweighed the importance of shaqs presence in those critical last 4 games. Shaq was on the bench nearly the entire 4th quarter as his free throw shooting was a liability during those close moments. One could also argue that birdman was more valuable than bosh at one point too, especially during the pacers series.

  • dcthemvp

    You lost me when you said wades effectiveness is very low when injured. It’s arguable he was still the 2nd best player on the floor. Tell me another player who would put up 34 PTS 6 steals in game 4, 25 PTS 10 assts in game 5, and 23 PTS 10 reb in game 7 while injured? Most wouldn’t be playing not only for their bodies sake, but also their fame. Wade obviously took a hit publicly from playing injured as the media reflected that as an aging wade. He’s 31. No ones mentioning tony Parker disappearing. Or Tim Duncan’s missed lay up. It’s all to make wade look worse and lebron look even better. Like I said, I’ll take wade over harden yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Wade is proven harden is not. Same with durant. Both tend to shrink in big moments. Who knows what would happen if they ever got injured, much less tried playing injured. Wade has proven to overcome injury before. Harden and durant have not. Injuries happen to even the best. Apparently you’ve never experienced knee pain. Rest, dropping 15 lbs (nearly 10% of your body weight), and working with Tim Grover can do miracles on your knees. As a long time dwyane wade fan, I personally thank you, kevin durant.

  • dcthemvp

    What does kobe have to do with ANYTHING!

  • dcthemvp

    Harden had Westbrook and durant which is 3 of the leagues top 10 players in Durants eyes. They lost miserably to Miami. Harden was a joke, a disappearing act. Harden is only a star on a desperate team. He’s a role player otherwise as proven in okc. I’ll wait for him to prove me wrong

  • dcthemvp

    You mean the 2nd best on his team?

  • dcthemvp

    Alright, who gave durant a torch?

  • dcthemvp

    Durant had 3 of the leagues top 10 players in his eyes and failed miserably. Lost 4-1 to Miami in the finals. Shaq wasn’t exactly Shaq those finals averaging 13 and 7 while riding the bench the 4th quarters and as he was a liability at the ft line. Alonzo’s defense was more of a contributing factor those critical moments of decisive games. At 24 years old wade put up the NBA’s all time best performance and greatest comeback. His performance is listed #1 all time. I’m still waiting on durant..

  • Drig

    They are generally considered by quite a few regulars as being, among other things, delusional. Like your post about DWade right now being better than Durant right now.

  • shutup

    Generally don’t do this but you spelled warfare wrong, not sure if warefare is a word………

  • dcthemvp

    I never said wade is better than durant right now I said flash > duratula. I’m confident though that flash is back and back to stay. I’d put my money on wade. I sure as heck wouldn’t doubt him. As for harden and durant, they have yet to prove anything to me to be holding any so called torches.

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  • C.M.G

    d-wade shut down harden in the finals 2 years ago with a bad knee!! its not up to d-wade to pass the torch but harden has to TAKE IT.

  • Ben Ireland

    Yeah, THAT’S what’s weird here.

  • Max

    lol

  • Castrovi

    Lmao

  • Castrovi

    No but when your the engine of the team it does.

  • The Seed

    Wade never had the torch yall. One year he was great, Dirk was great one year too. Kobe been having the sg torch for a while and technically still has it. BOOK IT!1

  • Castrovi

    Well, he’ll have howard for over four years so lets see if he can win atleast one to prove your theory

  • JohnWilkesPoop

    2500 words.

  • guest

    Shout out to your mother’s basement.

  • Drig

    Too bad according to Wade, Flash was yesteryear. It’s sadly just #3 now. Too bad the fast Wade was just a flash in the pan ( couldn’t resist that…… )

  • Drig

    Durant hasn’t accomplished anything yet? Wait, what?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    howard isn’t shaq and doesn’t command the same offensive presence.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Okay, it starts off like this

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Taking care of parents is an insult. Insult away.

  • guest

    It’s all in fun man, relax.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    i know i don’t really live with my biological relatives either. But I was making a point to show that only in one particular civilizatoin is a stigma to live with your parents as you age. I assume because it drops one’s “sexiness” but what does “sexiness even mean in broad human historical context. Many Chinese traditionally stay with their families and same with Arabs, Southeast Asians, Africans.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    also, retirements homes are an anomaly to eastern world. Like i said before in broad historical context many culutres promote living with famlies. Its a stigma in our particular culture because it drops our sex appeal, but i other cultures if you treat your parents well it’ll increase your prospects as a great spouse.

  • Najee Fareed

    nope, not even a houston fan but i know wade is just not better than harden

  • Najee Fareed

    wish i could have then the heat would not have won back-2-back championships…

  • guest

    Yes all of this is true.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    are you somali?

  • C.M.G

    give anybody lebron and a shaq in his prime and they’d be 4x champs.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    no i meant like Shaq like wade had or lebron like wade had.

    Im realness though what does CMG mean. Cool Magnetic Glow

  • dcthemvp

    You read that right. Scoring titles and finishing 2nd place is not accomplishing much. Mr runner up still has a lot to prove before he goes dictating anything. Nice attempt to ignore my comment and reply with ignorance though.

  • Castrovi

    That would be the case if wade had shaq during his golden years.Your pretty knowledgeable so lets not be oblivious to the fact wade had a declining shaq, which is fair to say howard in present time is better than a 04-07 shaq. Howard when healthy is a 20-12 guy so that duo is equivalent to a wade n shaq

  • dcthemvp

    We all know kobe done passed that torch a long time ago. He didn’t hold it very long anyways. And we all know kobe takes being a top 25 player very seriously.

  • dcthemvp

    You know nothing. Shaq had foot problems those playoffs and averaged 13 ppg and 7 reb during those finals. He was benched down the stretch of the 4th due to his ft liability. When the games were on the line it was Payton, wade, posey, walker or Haslem, and Zo on the floor. Shaq was still feeling the pain from carrying kobe and the lakers on his back. Now Dwight Howard is more than capable of 13 and 7. Don’t start back peddling now.

  • lebron-mind your your business

    all I hear from this website is praising wade, lebron. Are there any fans other than the heat on this page? Durrant is a great player. I’m sure he knows what hes talking about. It shouldn’t even be called slam anymore.. it should be miami heat page.. Obviously these heat fans have no lives lol

  • dcthemvp

    I love how you ignore all the facts and take jabs at anything you can find instead. It’s apparent you don’t read. If you did or even paid attention you would know your dudes a 1 trick pony. Mr runner up gas accomplished nothing and he’s acting like he’s comin off 3 straight finals trips. Anyways, wade doesn’t want to be called flash because Shaq gave him that name and shortly after left Miami on bad terms. Wade said you can stop that flash stuff in 07 I believe. His best season was 08-09, so your points invalid there. He also doesn’t want his fans expecting him to take back the team, it’s not gonna happen, they’re a team! He simply would rather be called 3 to remind the homers miami has 3 rings and not just 2. Since you aren’t going to read this though, have fun waiting on your one trick ponies to get their torch cause it’s not gonna happen. Wade looked different than these last 2 seasons and I wasn’t the only one to notice. He had a spring in his step that’s been absent even when “healthy” these last 2 years. Y’all are in trouble if you can’t beat Miami with a “old and declining wade”.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Lol psychological manipulation me likey me likey. No seriously though I know Dwight may average more pgs and boars based on his style of play in the reg season but I would take a declining Shaq over Howard when I’d have to play the spurs first round. Shaq commands the game in a different way than Howard. You can Howard out of the game defensively and offensively compared to Shaq.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Backpeddling. Shaq was limited that particular series but Shaq on the still commanded the game differently than a health Dwight with 20 and 12. I’m saying playoff time come you can take out Dwight with smart coaching because he’s essentially Shawn kemp minus the offensive prowess with less explosiveness and more Interior D presence. Shaq commanded the paint. I know wade has a great series and had pretty great season, but in reality these past two finals has he really been great. If he could sustain that series performance his whole career then there’d Bryant would be 2nd best sg.

    I’d take that MIA Shaq over Dwight any day the way he commanded the game. How the Heat go to championships also matters.

    Back peddle, en guard, touché tocuhe

    I’d take lbj over Dwight any day

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    That’s to hard to standardized

  • dcthemvp

    You’re reaching just quit before you embarrass yourself. Already justifying hardens future failures, huh?

  • dcthemvp

    And by the way, you take what you can get and make it work. Already making excuses for harden smh

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Reaching? Looking averages hardly tells the picture. Ducan avg less than 20 12 in the finals but his impact was felt. Dwight is a running big who can’t command the post. Your over generalizing. I said wade has had a few great seasons but to say wade is better than harden and that harden will fail isn’t fair? All I’m saying is harden only has 1 season as a full time starter. Wade and Bosh haven’t lived up to their billing. Lebroms had to rely on great three point shooting.

    If I had Harden with a MIA Shaq and the rest of that roster could he make that same impact idk because mentally he wasn’t there for his first finals appearance but if harden played with Lebron and Durant had wade today harden and Lebron would be 3x ring champs. People fault lbj for the mavs final loss and yes he played poorly. But where was flash who willed old team. In long term harden<wade not career accomplishments unless he joins Lebron.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Bro inequalities exist.If want to go past the accomplishments and see how the player got them and then compare talents I’m for it.

    So you think Wade is better than Tmac player wise? Or even Allen iverson for that matter.

  • dcthemvp

    And you need to pass the crack pipe

  • dcthemvp

    Relearning how to walk

  • dcthemvp

    If you don’t our conversation ends now. And I’d recommend getting a cat scan as well.

  • dcthemvp

    I thought this was all about averaged considering were basin wades numbers as a reflection of who he is player wise compared to harden. Anyways, enough with the ifs. Keep waiting on your 1 trick pony I’m not arguing with you anymore. You’ve said some stupid things like give harden Miami Shaq and he’d have 4 rings. Also, asking me if I think wade is better than t Mac? Are you for real? Go to sleep.

  • dcthemvp

    And incase you missed it, FLASH was averaging 27 ppg 7 rpg 5 apg shooting 55% and had a PER of 30 those 2011 finals when lebron disappeared averaging 2 ppg in the 4th. That’s where flash was. Wades ranked #1 and #8 on all time nba finals performances for a reason. Harden and durant disappear for a reason. That’s what separates the greats from the goods. I’m done with you. Keep counting on your eggs that will never hatch. I’m gonna keep counting rings.

  • dcthemvp

    That’s exactly right. Harden hasn’t proven nothing. I guess mr runner up is now satisfied with 2nd place and has his own imaginary torch that somebody gave him. You don’t get them given, you take them.

  • dcthemvp

    Technically Kobe’s not even a top 25 player much less top 3 SG. Book that!

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  • Jerome

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  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    very good. You have thoroughly convinced me with the point that as of right historical wade is better than current harden which I agree with.

  • Castrovi

    Lol your saying that cause you know to the best of your knowledge their not taking the trophy home over the course of four years. But I do agree shaq will have a better impact than Howard. And its the 09 finals that proven that to me, he didn’t score more than 80 pts for the entire series he looked lik a third option player. However, that was two of the best bigs in the league guarding him, that still wouldn’t be nothing to a prime shaq but the 06 Shaq wouldn’t even average 15-10.

    But since 09 Howard has improved and now has an aggressive heart. He can still go for 40 pts he’s still the league’s top defender. And now Howard have a better team than his 09 magics. A potential superstar in James harden a 3 pt threat in Parsons, and a now and again linsanity. So if james harden is as good as kobe and wade or better as some say then he should win at least one title with his time alongside dwight. (Just one lets remember these are two superstars)

  • dcthemvp

    No, wade is better right now than harden is, was, or ever will be. Even last year. He’s also Better than tmac or iverson. If you don’t agree your opinions aren’t valid to me. I’ve already seen some foolish things said from you anyhow.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    but what about the obstacles. I mean Lebron still is here. Jordan stopped so many greats from getting a title. I think the rockets can get out the west but beat the Heat or even the pacers???

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro career wise wade has better stats than t mac but wade has worse stats compared to Allen Iverson. I am saying at their peaks Tracy mcgrady was easily top 3 sg ever to play. Strictly if you analyze their talent peaks not their whole career.

    Wade last three playoffs compared to Lebron. Bro how is wade coming back. You look at 2 games and make this over generalization. Wade has skills but the team constructed around him are insane. Plus no Lebron against the bulls Wade wouldn’t be playing against the Mavericks. Harden may not have Wade’s resume but he’s better talent.
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  • dcthemvp

    Keep talking out of you -ss. It’s clears you’re in love with unproven inefficient players. Our conversation is over.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    come on bro if your from the DMV then you can’t talk about love. Love is a chemical stimulus.

    Harden is better than wade this season and for remainder of wade playing career. Tracy and Iverson in their peaks were better talent than wade, but because i don’t like to build around smaller players I would pick Wade over iverson even though his ability to will his team is probably greatest seen regardless of any nba player.

    Wade has been very fortunate to have played for an organization like Kobe. Can’t say much for KG or Lebron.

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  • dcthemvp

    Do you shut up? Tmac WAS NOT better than wade. Wade had one the best seasons as a 2 guard ever in 08-09. He’s got the #1 and #8 top finals performances for a reason. Tmac couldn’t lead a team. Iverson almost did. Wade did. Wades 2nd chance Lebron was the 3rd leading scoring in 2011 finals averaging 17 ppg. That’s worse than a hobbled wade! Wade 27 7 5 55% PER of 30 in 2011 finals. wade stepped up and lebron shrunk. Wade should have 4 rings. Lebron single handedly blew miami’s 20 pt lead in the 4th in game 2 ultimately allowing Dallas to come back. Even when injured wade came through in games 4, 5, and 7 for Miami this year. I’m done arguing with you. In no way shape or form is iverson, tmac, OR harden better than wade or ever will be. Wade’s already made his mark on history. He made miami a hot spot. Wade didn’t just land a fortunate spot like kobe, he MADE IT! HE MADE MIAMI! Miami was a lottery team when they got wade. Lakers were a 50 win team coming off championships who traded for kobe and were good enough to bring him off the bench. Miami didn’t have a championship until wade. You know nothing. I bet you think Paul George will be MVP huh? Him and his whopping 17 ppg projected to be the next big thing. You seem to have a thing for the popular guys.

  • dcthemvp

    I bet you also think rose will return better than ever after tearing his ACL and sitting a year. I bet you think Westbrook will return as well after 2 knee surgeries now this off season. I bet you think kobe will also return at peak after tearing his Achilies tendon? But not wade. 20 ppg while injured in the finals. He wasn’t dealing with structural damage like the players listed above, but with bones bruises (very painful). He’s healed now. Dropped 15 lbs. to reduce impact on knees. That’s almost 10% of his weight. He hired Tim Grover again for the first time since 08-09 before having his best season. Before brushing his knee wade had 20 straight games of 20+ on 50%+ shooting. Only other player to do that was MJ. Over miami’s win streak wade averaged 26 6 6 on 56% shooting. Wade was 6th in PER. 8th in WAM. Both ahead of harden. Wade held his opponents to an astounding 36% shooting. Wade is leaps and bounds better on defense than harden and much more efficient offensively. If you’re using an injured wade as a reflection of what’s to come you’re in for a suprise. If anything he’s developed even more after playing hobbled. It’s no coincidence he shot a career est 71% at the rim last year. He’s finding where to pick his shots now that he doesn’t get the ball every play. Harden gets the ball every possession cause who else is going to do anything? Parsons? Lin? Come on! It’s apparent you know nothing and I should of knew this by your previous comments.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    I will refrain from this discussion with you because it is immoral to instigate and incite anger in people.

  • dcthemvp

    Should of just ended it when I said so before making yourself look stupid. Now let’s end this discussion for you embarrass yourself anymore.

  • dcthemvp

    You’re retarded or something

  • dcthemvp

    Wtf are you going off about?!?

  • dcthemvp

    “But” “if” all you make is excuses and possible scenario’s. Your confidence is obviously low in harden. “What about the obstacles”? Lol. Some future he’s got. Already prepping the excuses I see. I’d just go ahead and quit counting them eggs before they hatch

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    peer evaluation can lead to problems. First “embarrassed”, then I conform, then I cause bodily harm to myself or to others which can result in death… apply “your way of showing me up” to alcohol and drug use. #peerpressureakaSilencingTheMINDs

    You can’t refute anything I have said except the same point over and over about Wade in the finals and some random source of judging that he had the 1st and 8th greatest play performance from nba or espn.com.

    Ill say it one more time. You overvalue wade because you fail to see how his surrounding helped give him his career accomplishments. He is a good player but he did not get past the bulls that was lebron so lebron didn’t lose him a ring because he never would have made it to hte finals Wade had a good couple of games in the finals okay okay i give you that i give you that. If you use a few games whether its in the championship or not doesnt defeat the simple statement at their peaks Iverson and Tracy were better talents than wade. Statistically Iverson is better than wade but not tracy. Talent wise Tracy is better than all three.

    Harden is better than wade based on last season and will continue.

    If you are on the LiNing Payroll or some wade payroll. Please let me get a hookup.

  • dcthemvp

    Also, please remind me why numbers are irrelevant when it comes to Shaq and Howard, but all of a sudden numbers are the basis for your argue meant that harden is better. Even as a bad year in wades standards, it was a better season than hardens. Wade was playing for June. Harden was playing for February. Big difference you obviously know nothing about. Aside from that let’s talk their last seasons. Wade was ahead of harden in PER. Ahead of harden in WAM. Held his opponents to 36% shooting. Shot 10% better from the field. Better AST/TO ratio. More AST per 36 as a 2nd option. 2nd player only to Jordan to have 20 straight 20+ 50% or better games. What did harden do? Proved he’s an all star and okc made a mistake? Proved he’s not suited for the playoffs, again? I’m curious what made harden better last season then wade. Define better. Because since numbers are irrelevant as with the Dwight and Shaq case. Wade is miles better in defense. Way more efficient offensively. That’s my idea of being better.

  • dcthemvp

    If it wasn’t for wade in the Boston series miami wouldn’t of faced the bulls. What’s your point. That’s what teams do. You’re the one who said lebron carried wade. I countered with no, he carried the team then provided FACTS to back to my point that wade plays when it matters most. And I will say this one last time, wades peak, prime, yesterday, today, tomorrow is better than tmac, iverson, and ESPECIALLY hardens high volume low producing -ss! Harden is a horrible defender. Turns the ball over way too much. Inefficient. I could go on for days but APPARENTLY, your comprehension levels are equable not to that of a mentally handicap. So, I’ll do you the favor and spare any further embarrassment or “possible harm to yourself or others”. Keep smoking that tmac though.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    I am not saying numbers are irrelevant. Over generalization. In shaq and dwight’s case it has to do with style of play and ability to command the game. Shaq can get 10 and 10 and still have greater team offensive impact then dwight could running and get 20 and 12.

    With Wade’s case. You select stats that in favor of your view. I’ll ask a simple question. Wade was playing June and Harden but harden would be if he was on the heat.

    Have you ever analyzed the statistics behind what goes into PER.It can’t factor in qualitative impact or how other teammates influence the offensive productivity. I mean simple who got to the line more last year Harden or Wade? That’s is one factor for showing that harden commanded the floor better than wade. Wade relied on feeds from lebron and other teammates for open jumpers and layups. He use to be able to create for himself. But age and injury have slowed him down. Its a balance between numbers and eye test.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    The boston series was a duel effort. Teams do is my point. Wade is a product of his environment which was conducive to him winning. But individual talent Tracy Mcgrady and Allen Iverson are better. What about those years when wade was the lone dog? what has the heat’s success then? Harden’s defensive is suspect last year but he’ll improve.

    Why do you always lead to insults. just debate the points and not insults. I mean i gave you a simple stat last year FTA. That favors my point of view that Harden commands a great offensive presence then wade. You can’t rely solely on numbers or eye-test. Its a balance between two extremes.

    Don’t use personal attacks. I am not debating you I’m just discussing with you.

  • dcthemvp

    I can assure shaqs presence wasn’t felt in the finals minutes of every decisive game in those finals. Aside from that, oooooh harden got to the ft line more that means he commanded the floor better. No, that means he’s the first option! That means he for to the ft line more. Wade did that too at 24 as a 1st option. What part of 2nd option don’t you understand? Lebron commands the floor. The fact that wade had a Bette r season than harden as a 2nd option should speak volumes towards hardens talent. If free throws are all you can dig up in truly feel bad. Wade is miles better on defense and uw more effective than harden offensively. Wades a winner. Hardens a one trick pony. Good bye.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Wade is a 2nd option. My point. If harden on the heat he wins rings. More time as a primary option leads to increase in inefficiency. Harden more versatile offensive threat than wade. Better three point shooter. And better ability run point guard. harden better fit Lebron. If harden ran passing lanes more he’d get more steals.

    Wade didn’t have as good of season as harden last year. If per is your only criteria then yes but you use stats to favor your view and not a global picture.

    P.S Peer pressure is dangerous. Stay away from intoxicants

  • dcthemvp

    You’re so dumb. No one wins alone. Jordan was bullied by the pistons and celtics before pippen and crew. No one wins alone. As a lone star wade took Beasley and jermaine o’neal to the playoffs against the celtics though as the 5th seed. Finished the season with the best record after the all star break. Wade put up 35 ppg on 55% shooting that series but the celtics were too much. Picture iverson with Beasley as his 2nd option. Even funnier, picture tmac with Beasley and jermaine. Quit kidding yourself. Tmac and iverson were great, but not on wades level. There’s offense and defense, not just offense. Wade is complete. Tmac was not. Iverson was not and did not have the attitude to adjust. It cod be argue t Mac was one of the more talented players ever. Same with Vince carter. That doesn’t make them better. Again, you got your eggs all in one basket here so keep counting them, cause they aren’t going to hatch.

  • dcthemvp

    You’re assuming harden could do the same as wade on Miami. You’re wrong. He fit perfectly in Houston as they desperately needed a scorer. Wade plays inside out and plays incredible defense. That’s miami’s style. Inside out. Good defense. Slow pace. Harden plays outside in and horrible defense. Fast pace. Harden wldnt fit. He would come off the bench just like he did in Oklahoma because he’s a volume scorer only. There’s no guarantee he would be a 2nd option over bosh either. Harden better fit for lebron?! How stupid are you? Harden DID NOT have a better season than wade either I don’t know how hard that is to get through your head. Wade had Better PER. Better WAM. Better defense. 10% better fg. Per 36 more assists. Better asst/to ratio (there goes your point guard argument), won his 3rd ring, etc. Wade had a solid season and banged his knee at the wrong time. He’s 31 not 40. Everyone’s judging him playing injured as a reflection of his upcoming skill. They’re wrong. You’re in for a suprise. Durant done messed up.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    Bro if he was 2nd option he would have ball as much and be more ready for lebrons kick threes. Imagine harden instead of barrier or mike miller. He’d be Danny green for the heat in the finals from the three. I don’t get how you can argue that wade is better outside inside player RIGHT now when harden penetrates and finishes better and a better shooter than Wade. Stop saying efficiency you have compare a primary option to a secondary option and usage rating. The algorithm for PER isn’t perfect.

    How can you compare a 2nd option to a 1st option. Wade last year would have not made the playoffs. He isn’t offensively as dynamic as harden. And his on ball defense is better and he plays passing lanes better than harden. But I see harden improving in that this year. Your right Durant should have lobbied to get Westbrook out instead of harden.

    Are you in the Chicago area right now?

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    wade couldn’t take dikembe mutombo, eric snow, aaron mcgee, and tyrone hill to the finals.

    If you had to start a franchise. 5 players: Lebron, Michael, Kobe, Wade, and Tracy Mcgardy name the order.

  • dcthemvp

    I’m done talking to you as your comprehension skills are limited and you extremely lact facts. You are all speculation and what ifs. Harden WOULD NOT fit in Miami. Comparing harden to Danny green now? Lol. I SAID WADES A INSIDE OUTSIDE PLAYER AND EXTEMELY GOOD DEFENDER. That’s how Miami plays. I never said wades a better outside inside player. Learn to read. I said that’s hardens style along wit poor defense. Not miami’s style. You’re speculating harden could fill wades role and do better. Like I said, harden would be a role player with lebron and bosh, much like he was on Oklahoma City behind durant and Westbrook. No one could fill wades role. Lebron came to Miami for a reason. One last thing, if harden did play for Miami and manage to make the finals, we would have to assume he would shrink, again. I’m done arguing with you. So smoke on that tmac til you see straight.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    bro are you in the chicago area?

    “that’s an amazing collection of sentences: I said wades a inside outside player and extremely good defender. That’s how miami plays. I never said wades a better outside inside player. Learn to read.” IF adding velocity had a cousin that would be it.

    Please let me know if you are in chicago area?

  • dcthemvp

    How can you compare wade and harden?!?! Tmac and wade even? You do realize wade shot 71% at the rim last season so your hardens best finisher than wade is invalid. Same with your hardens a better pg argument per 36 wade averaged more AST and had a better AST/TO ratio while controlling the ball much less. I’m done arguing with you, kid. I’ve provided facts you provide speculation and what if scenario’s. Fact is harden is a volume scorer only. 1 dimensional player. Wades multi deminsional. Basketball has 2 sides to the ball not just 1. If you consider shooting 20 shots toget 20 points and playing horrible defense a better player then we obviously don’t see eye to eye. I’m going to agree to disagree with you. Nice chat however I’m out. Peace

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  • Busta213

    YES! Zo’s 4 minutes played in game 5 CLEARLY outweighed the importance of Shaq’s 18pts 12rbs!

    Feel free to continue to talk nonsense if you want, but Shaq was a 20-10 player up until the finals. I get that he wasnt at his best in that series but Im not sure if you understand the importance of having a player who gets doubled for his teammates.

    Again, the difference is Birdman could be left open which is why he was able to dunk and hit open layups. Bosh has to be guarded – which lead to some series defining moments as coach pop had to honour his range.

  • Feez_22

    You can point out 3 finals games to prove a “point” on wade’s effectiveness while injured. I will point out that wade wasn’t all star caliber pretty much the entire playoffs except for a few games which means the few are outliers.

    Wade couldn’t get to the basket. He was at 3.6 fta per game in the playoffs. You can mention the outlier games but in the entire playoff run, wade was 16ppg 45.7% from the field. I don’t see how anyone could take this over the already dominant, continuously improving durant who will be a top 2 mvp candidate this yr yet again. Your wade fandom is blinding your judgement.

    Also, wade has worked with grover before. He is looking REALLY GOOD right now in preseason and will probably have a good yr but his yr most definitely won’t be up to par with what durant is about to do.

    Wade has worked with grover, had a good season and then got nicked up again. It’s his playstyle. Until he changes his game to adapt to his age, he will continue to be banged up.

    You can take wade over harden. However, durant is a superior player now. You just have to accept that. what you just said is like saying you would take 2008 steve nash over 2008 chris paul bc 08 cp3 wasn’t “proven”. It’s nonsense. Durant had a historical reg season last yr. his 2nd man in command went down which screwed the team and had them losing to the grizz. However, wade has never advanced past the 2nd round without a star teammate. When these teams met in the finals, it was CRYSTAL CLEAR who the top 2 players in the series were.

  • MACARONI

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  • Castrovi

    That’s understandable, but wade stopped dirk and brought Miami its first title. If what u say is true about harden he’ll make it to the finals twice, just my opinion

  • pposse

    get with the program bro, Wade is constantly disrespected over here

  • Heem

    Harden is currently better than Wade, not really debatable.

  • dcthemvp

    Of course he wasn’t superstar caliber, he was hurt! I’m not sure what it’s going to take for people to understand that. Wade was playing HURT! He should of sat. That’s not a reflection of his upcoming skills. I pointed out those finals games because it shows just how good wade is, even while injured. People refer to his horrible playoff run but run away from his 34 pt 6 steal game 4, 25 pt 10 assts game 5, and 23 pt 10 REB game 7. Those are what really matters. The rest is irrelevant. The last4 games in the finals wade was on par with his season average. He was STILL hurt. He’s adjusted his game every season to adapt playing without the ball. Now he knows how to pick shots when his body isn’t complying, which can only help his game when his body is there. Again, I showed games 4, 5, and 7 to show wades not done. I’m very aware he had a bad post season. He was hurt and his performances were reflective of it. However, he came through when it mattered most. Something harden and durant know nothing about. And just so you know, wades only worked with Grover in the offseason a few times. He’s mostly called in during late playoff runs. Wades never trained with Grover during the offseason and “later got banged up”. That’s the point of graininess with Grover. He’s is the best shape of his life strength wise. His core is stronger than ever via Spoelstra. Every time wade has worked with Grover in the offseason he has went on to play over 80 games playoffs included. The last time he average. 30 ppg and 8 AST. That’s what recruited lebron.

  • dcthemvp

    Who wouldn’t take 08 Nash over 08 cp3? I believe Nash was MVP for a reason. That was dumb. And jus so you know, nobody wins alone. No one takes their team past the 2nd round with help. Even Jordan got spanked by the celtics and pistons several times before the arrival of pollen and Phil Jackson. Another invalid point you made. Also, wade took jermaine o’neal and Michael Beasley to the playoffs as 5 seed. 1 spot behind the defending champion celtics. Finished the season with the best record after the all star break. Won 20/22 games with Michael Beasley as a 2nd option! Averaged 35 7 5 56% that series but had NO HELP! Wade did better with scrubs then kobe did with superstars last year, fool. Lebron came to Miami for a reason.

  • dcthemvp

    I swear you kids love using stats. Here’s a stat: without Alonzo’s defense in game 3 and 4 there wouldn’t be a game 5 for Shaq to suddenly perform up to par in. Shaq was on the bench when the games mattered most. What happened in those finals were out of shaqs control. It’s hard to command double teams on the bench. Incase you forgot every game came down to the wire. Shaq was a liability during crunch time. Without wades clutch performances, Payton stepping up, and Alonzo’s defense we wouldn’t be talking about 2006 finals right now. So yes, I’ll say it again, Alonzo’s defense far outweighed the importance of shaqs presence. Shaqs presence was not felt as he was on the bench and aade was winning games at the last second. Also, incase you didn’t watch last year, birdman was pretty non existent during the spurs series. I was speaking of the pacers series as he was extremely valuable. Learn to read.

  • dcthemvp

    I know man I’m just sick of it. I don’t get what’s so hard to understand wade was hurt those playoffs. He banged knees at the end of the heats winning streak. Any true baller knows how bad banging knees is. Wade didn’t have time to let it heal as they’re defending champions. They’re using a injured wade as a reflection of what’s upcoming but they tend to ignore wades incredible games 4, 5, and 7 of the finals when it mattered most. That’s a true reflection of what’s to come for me. If he can do that hurt then the leagues in trouble when he’s healthy. People act like him being healthy is out of question. The dudes played in 3 finals 3 straight years. That’s equal to 4 seasons in 3 years. His bodies tired, that’s all. He’s managed to avoid structural damage over that time. Unlike kobe, rose, Westbrook, and all other who have TORN ligaments, wade has not, and everyone expects rose to be back to mvp form. Westbrook to be right back to explosiveness despite 2 surgeries on the same knee this offseason. Kobe’s expected to be vino when his Achilies ripped. I can’t stand the stupidity and gullibility of most nba fans is all. All of a sudden harden is better than wade and Paul George and his 17 ppg is MVP caliber? Smh. You don’t just pass the torch. You got to take it. It’s up to harden to take it. I want to know who “passed” durant a torch? As far as I’m concerned lebron still holds it and proved that in the 2012 finals, right? So go ahead and keep passin out imaginary torches, durant.

  • Feez_22

    Funny how you thought you were making valid points here.

    1- Nash wasn’t the NBA’s MVP in 2008. I said picking wade over durant now would be like picking nash over cp3 2008 because as i said before, you are personally taking CAREER over what they are doing NOW. In 2008, cp3 was 2nd in mvp voting. CP3 was pretty much the best pg in the nba. Unequivocally even. CP3 led the hornets to the 2 seed in the western conference. However, by your logic, you would have taken nash in 08 over cp3 bc by that point, cp3 didn’t “accomplish” what nash accomplished (2 mvps back to back in 04-05 and 05-06). I’m saying that’s nonsense as cp3 was far and away a better player in 08 than nash was.

    This is the SAME THING with wade/durant. You act as if this is career achievement. Guess what… it’s NOT. Wade isn’t the same player now as he was in 09 and probably never will be. Durant has already surpassed him yet you would take wade for career achievement. I’ll take the young rising star with a high ceiling who is prime for another mvp run and possibly finals run over a wade who can’t stay healthy to end the season anymore (if you have taken count, he has been banged up to end the season for 2 seasons in a row now).

    2. No one brought kobe up. No one. Thus, to use that comparison in a playoff argument isn’t even worth my time.

    You act as if this wade is the same as 08-09 wade. It is time to let go of that dream. He is NOT the same as that player anymore. Maybe that’s the disconnect we are having here… wade is NOT that player anymore. He can’t get to the basket like he could back then and when he actually is successful, he gets banged up and has to sit 10+ games at the tail end of the season and then can give you 3-4 playoff games of superstar wade. This is going on 2 yrs now where it has happened. You can take that over the 2nd best player in the nba in KD if you want. I definitely won’t.

  • Feez_22

    I already know he was hurt. However, even when he wasn’t hurt in his stretch last yr and the yr b4 that, kd was better. The level kd played at is one that wade last matched in 08-09. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. You think that wade training with grover will get him to 08-09 form like it did prior to that. It won’t. It may get him to 09-10 form but that isn’t enough to be better than what kd will be this upcoming year.

    I didn’t run away from his 3 good playoff games last yr. I did say though that they were outliers WHICH THEY WERE since in the 19 other playoff games he was 14.2ppg on 44.4%. Do you know what the term “outlier” means? Go ahead and check what it means.

    BTW who said wade is done? i didn’t. Just because i said durant is superior to him, doesn’t mean he’s “done”. durant is the 2nd best player in the nba… i wouldn’t call cp3 or kobe done since he’s better than them as well. It’s not an indictment on wade to say KD is superior to him… KD is coming off a HISTORIC season for crying out loud.

    BTW, what is it with this durant not showing up when it mattered most bullcrap? Durant showed up. He was the 2nd best player in the 2011-2012 finals and was consistently good game in game out. The prob is the thunder were playing a superior team and one of the thunder’s own players (harden) decided not to show up. Just because harden didn’t show up doesn’t mean durant didn’t. You have no facts whatsoever to prove that kd didn’t show up. None at all.

    BTW with this grover thing… He is not going to get wade to 08-09 form. The wade i am seeing in the preseason is 09-10 form at best though. Wade looks like an all star right now but to be better than durant you need to be a SUPERSTAR #2 player in the league caliber of player. Wade hasn’t been that since 08/09, is older now and whenever he gets hurt, it lingers. Don’t act like it is an indictment to say wade isn’t better than durant and won’t be this yr. Can wade be top 5? YES. can wade be top 3? maybe. Can wade be top 2? NO. Even though wade looks great right now, he still doesn’t look better than what kd does at this pt. How is that an indictment? It isn’t.

    Wade can be better than kobe, westbrook, cp3, harden this upcoming yr. He can be better than those guys. Do i think he will be better than durant? NO. Is that an indictment on wade? NO.

  • Busta213

    1) Um, that isnt a stat, its an opinion.

    2) Heres an actual stat-fact – Game 4 was a 24 point win for the Heat – that doesnt quite sound like a “down to the wire” game like you claim.

    3) Lets look at your claim that Shaq was on the bench when it mattered most (i.e. entire 4th quarters) because of Zo’s defense

    game 3
    Alonzo starts 4th qtr, Mavs leading 77-71
    8.33 to go, Shaq subs in for Zo Mavs lead 83-71
    1.03 to go Shaq leaves game for GP heat leads 94-93

    game 4 4th qtr
    10.48 Shaq enters game – Heat lead by 11
    3.38 to go Zo enters for Shaq with Heat leading by 22

    game 5 Zo played 4 minutes, 1 point, 0 blocks

    game 6
    Im kinda bored at this point – but go watch the 4th quarter, on youtube you’ll see a lot of Shaq and very little Zo. You WILL see Shaq on the floor in the closing minutes of the game.

    Overall, your point is clearly shown to be flawed. Lots of 4th quarter minutes for Shaq in all 4 games. Its just Kobe-fanboy rhetoric that Shaq didnt play 4th quarters….and people like you believe it. THAT is the reason I use stats. You can now go check that I am right and that you are wrong.

    4) My point re. Bosh was just a general one – but it applies to the Pacer series too. If you remember, Hibbert was left off the floor because they wanted someone on the floor who could guard Bosh’s range. End result was an uncontested game winning layup for Bron.

  • dcthemvp

    Even funnier how you think you’re making any points, period. I didn’t Say mash wion MVP in 2008 I said Nash was MVP for a reason. WAS. Anyways, I’ve already done a what if and speculation argument with someone else I’m not doing it again. Your probablies and possible scenarios don’t change nothing. Durant could bang his knee up tomorrow and we would see who is probably better. My argument is wade is better than harden and that’s a no brainer. I never once said wade right now is better than durant. I said flash > durantula. Again, learn how to read and we might not be having this convo.

  • dcthemvp

    You’re arguing with yourself here, fool. If you learned how to read you’d realize I’ve said several times durant is better right now. That doesn’t give him the right to talk smack though. And harden kd not better than wade. Those are my points. You probably get half way through my comments before your brain goes bazerke and blocks the rest. Anyways, I’ll put my money that wade training with Grover can restore him to 08-09 form which is better than anything we’ve seen from durant. Do you have any facts that prove it as impossible? No. Again, speciation. What makes you think durant will improve? To me he’s been spending a lot of time analyzing and talking smack this summer with his imaginary torch. Might want to hit that weight room and worry about not being runner up for once. By the way, when you went back into wades poor playoff performances I went ahead and stopped reading. Again, I’ve already said wade had a horrible post season. I already know this. You’re beating a dead horse. The only reason I provided stats from game 4,5, and 7 is because people tend to forget wade stepped up when it actually mattered and that’s what greats do. Durant don’t. Harden don’t. You can flush away that post season cause at the end of the day wade got his ring. If you want to use his performance as a reflection of his upcoming skill, then again, I ask you refer to his final 4 games which he played brilliant. Better Tha. Lebron in 2011 finals.

  • dcthemvp

    If kd is good how much do you think he would average on Miami? Apparently 21 5 5 on 52% isn’t very good these days as a 2nd option. People are using wade when he shouldn’t of been playing as a reflection of who he is skill wise. Wades played in 3 straight finals equivalent to 4 season in 3 years. He’s came in the last 2 seasons out of shape and with a huge lack of motivation. I guess he got comfortable being #2. His body wasn’t comfortable though as we seen these last 2 years. That’s what Grover’s for though. That’s what losing 15 lbs is for though. That’s what wade got the same knee therapy as 08-09 again. I could give you a list of reasons why wade the last 2 seasons isn’t wade this season. 1) tim Grover said “we don’t train our athletes to be as good as new. We train them to be better than ever and that’s the goal with dwyane”. 2 weeks later Grover said “wade looks in the best shape I’ve ever seen him. He has done everything we’ve asked and more”. 2) losing 15 lbs not only reduces impact on your knees as that’s almost 10% of your body weight, but it also helps tremendously with speed and quickness. Expect wades first step back as seen the other night against the spurs. 3) it’s woth noting before Kobe’s trip to Germany he was under the same scrutiny and returned better than ever. 4) wade didn’t require surgery but instead got the same procedure as he did in 2008-2009. So there’s some reasons wade will return to top form. Care to provide some why he won’t? Again, you’re speculating. Now let me give you reasons durant won’t improve this season as you also speculate on. 1) Westbrook had 2 surgeries and won’t be back right away 2) kd will be doubled and tripled teamed more than ever. 3) the west improved and the thunder did not. Like I said, all it takes is one bump to the knee and kd is done. His body couldn’t handle it. Keep counting your eggs in one basket, fool.

  • dcthemvp

    Now let me say this one last time since you have a hard time reading. Wade has not been healthy these last 2 years. He has came in training camp out of shape and banged up both times. This time around that isn’t the case. And true heat fans know the difference. 3 straight finals trips can take a toll on you. That’s 4 seasons compaced into 3. When you’re out of shape and banged up that’s hell. And that’s exactly why he’s in better shape this time around. Wades realized he can’t rely on his body no longer. He quietly spent all offseason getting in the best shape of his life. He lost 15 lbs and you can see it in his first step again. His lift in his jumper is there as he was hitting tough shots he hasn’t hit in years. I’m telling you, whether you want to believe it or not, flash is back! And flash is without a doubt better than durantula. Wades best puts kd best to shame. So I’ll say this again, and one last time, I sincerely thank you kevin durant for giving wade the extra motivation. It couldn’t of came at a better time.

  • dcthemvp

    You don’t gotta lie to kick it. I don’t need youtube I was watching the games live. You can dig up and alter any stat you want, but it just doesn’t change the fact that Alonzo’s defense far outweighed shaqs inside presence that series. Anyone who watched that series with their own eyes would not argue. So, go back on your stats page, pull up some YouTube videos, and get to work.

  • dcthemvp

    By the way, those sub ins are cute. It’s not like Shaq and his 13 ppg did any of that scoring. Want to include wades 18-0 run? Game 3 4th quarter was wade and only wade.

  • dcthemvp

    I love how you pick the 1 game Shaq played decent in those finals. Even then be missed 10 out of 12 free throws that game so it’s hard to say. Why didn’t you mention shaqs 5 or 9 point games?

  • dcthemvp

    Next time please include shaqs 5 point 6 REB 1-7 ft game 2. Or his 9 point game 6. Or his 2-12 ft game 5. Or his 1-9 ft game 1.

  • Busta213

    *Cough* 15ppg & 12 rpg over the 4 wins *cough*
    Duh – the argument was never about who was finals MVP – dont pretend that youre not well aware of that fact.

    Fact remains – Shaq was on the floor in those pivotal 4th quarters substantially more than Zo.

  • Busta213

    I did include game 6. Asked you to watch the film to show Shaq was on the floor through the 2nd half of the FOURTH QUARTER – when according to you he was on the bench. Try to keep up.

    Games 1 and 2 numbers are hardly essential to how the Heat won the title seeing as they are not amongst the 4 wins. You know youve lost at this point, right?

  • Busta213

    I DREW REFERENCE TO THE 4TH QUARTER OF THREE DIFFERENT GAMES. ARE YOU BLIND?

    (i assumed that you’d understand that Zo wasnt instrumental to the win in the game he played 4 minutes in).

  • dcthemvp

    Funny, aren’t you the one who referred to shaqs regular season but now games 1 and 2 are irrelevant and only shaqs winning numbers count? Kid, you’re reaching. Give up.

  • dcthemvp

    Oh now only the wins count. When you were the one to bring up shaqs 20 and 10 regular season, but not the rest is irrelevant and only the wins and games shaqs played well count. And just so you know, 2 games out 6 hardly justify your case. Keep reaching though.

  • dcthemvp

    Sorry, your points are so bias and flawed i kind of fell sleep half way through your comment and didn’t see your other 2 game references. You could call that blind. However, Anyone who watched the finals knows Shaq was not Shaq. It was wades brilliant come backs, Gary Payton’s clutch layup and bank shot, Alonzo’s defensive spurts, has lens defense on dirk, posey’s loose balls, walkers 3′s, etc. shaqs presence is greatly overrated that series and that’s a fact! Those games came down to the wire and I can assure you, regardless what any stats or YouTube video you dig up says, Alonzo was more vital towards winning that series. That paint was non existent when Zo was in. Shaq was a liability and heat fans cheared when Shaq would sit and Zo would come in those 4th quarters. Also, there were a few times Shaq remained in the game and Alonzo was subbed in at the 4. Stats aren’t ways accurate as there’s 1 particularly famous play Zo had 3 straight blocks, but for some reason only 1 was counted. Again, you can dig up any stat or video you want, but I watched every second to the point of holding my piss, so don’t tell me what determined what based upon what you’ve seen on YouTube and read online. Keep reaching.

  • dcthemvp

    Just remember, I warned ya.

    According to Jeff Zillgitt of USA Today, LeBron James is fired up about his teammate’s current physical state: “It’s the healthiest he’s been probably since (the 2010) training camp. He’s hungry to get back to form and to showcase why he’s one of the greatest 2-guards ever to play this game. I hear healthy Dwyane Wade, I get excited.”

  • dcthemvp

    Keep reaching

  • dcthemvp

    Your boy harden already banged his knee and his back up. Stick a fork in him, he’s done. Time to pass that torch back!

  • dcthemvp

    “IF IF IF IF”

    Well, your boy harden got a banged up knee now. Isn’t karma a b|tch? We’ll see how good harden is injured or if he can recover properly. His back is also hurt. Hahahahaha so much for the prima Donna. Pass that torch back

  • dcthemvp

    Stick a fork in him, he’s done! The prima Donna is having knee and back injuries at 24. Pass that torch back! Lol

  • dcthemvp

    Well, that “better talent” banged up his knee and is already having back issues at 24. Put a fork in him, he’s done! Pass that torch!

  • dcthemvp

    Not only historically, but right now as well. Hardens got a bruised knee and hurt back. Isn’t it crazy how karma works? Broke down at 24. Pass that torch back, boy!

  • dcthemvp

    Wrong. Your assumptions are wrong. Harden could not fill wades place. However, put wade in hardens position on OKC and wade would of won.

  • dcthemvp

    Talk about “but” “if” stfu! If wade started his career next to talent like kevin durant he would be a 10x champ

  • dcthemvp

    Howard’s 26 REB for Houston on opening night would sure make your argument look bad

  • dcthemvp

    Start prepping new excuses like hardens newly busted knee and back. Prima Donna, pass that torch.

  • dcthemvp

    Well, so far, hardens got a bruised knee and hurt back. Your case isn’t looking good. Stick a fork in him, he’s done. Back pain at 24. Next tmac. Pass that torch back, prima donna

  • dcthemvp

    Says the salty hater

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