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Saturday, October 11th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  190 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Manu Ginobili, no. 14

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Chris O’Leary

Friends,

It is me, Manu*. I write to you today to plead my case before you, the eyes and heart of the basketball world. I’m the 14th player on this list and when you saw my face on the page, I could hear…feel your collective groans.

I feel like I’ve gotten a bad rap in my six years in the NBA. Sure, I make millions of dollars to play a game and am supposed to take your criticism as a part of my job, but try explaining that to my feelings. I tried, and it hasn’t worked.

For some reason, people hate me. I used to deny this. I’d tune out the booing when I heard it, telling myself that that’s just life on the road when you play in the NBA. Recently, though, that has changed for me.

I used to tell myself that you and I were not that different from one another. Granted, I play a hard-nosed style of basketball at a level that less than one percent of the world could only ever hope to aspire to. At the end of the day, though, I like to come home and have a beer, a bath, and maybe a good cry under the concealing light of candles surrounding my tub before calling it a day. Just like you, I would imagine.

And just like you, I also spend a lot of time on the Internet. Up until this summer, I was a Facebook fiend. Under the guise of an anonymous account, I was having all kinds of fun adding my basketball friends and tracking down people that I hadn’t thought about in years. I still have Vinny Del Negro in friendship purgatory.

Then one day during the playoffs, everything changed.

Some people say Googling your own name is the ultimate in narcissism. With that in mind, I took a simpler approach and typed my own name into a Facebook search. As my name ran across the search bar, my stomach churned a little, like my body was warning me against doing it. But you’ve seen me play basketball; you know that I’m kind of a glutton for punishment.

I could never have prepared myself for what I found. I won’t lie to you: it changed me, probably forever.

At this time, there are 88 Facebook groups about me, the vast majority of them negative. The first one: I hate Manu Ginobili and the rest of the San Antonio Spurs. It doesn’t get much better after that. One group calls me a little f*cking b*tch—it has 183 members. Another says it hates me because I am a flopping p***y—144 people have joined.

One group even suggests that I have a vagina. Me! A vagina! That is an offensive foul, my friends. Shame on the 76 people who joined this group.

What I don’t understand is how I became so hated. What did I ever do to you? Since most of you reading this can’t play basketball on my level, let me put it to you in a way you can understand. Think about videogames.

When you play a videogame, you play to win, no? If you’re playing a game and notice that the ref calls an offensive foul almost every time you try to take a charge at the halfcourt line, are you going to do it every time to run up the score, or to at least get the ball back in a close game?

Welcome to my world.

Yes, I’m a flopper. Forget that I averaged almost 20, 5 and 5 a night last year. Forget my three Larry O’Brien trophies and my Olympic gold medal.

They say that when you’re truly great in this game, they change the rules to slow you down. Wilt used to get it, so did Jordan. They both overcame the changes to continue winning. I’m sure if you’re a Manu hater, you thought of me when the flopping rule was announced at the end of last season. Don’t cry for me (tears of joy or otherwise), friends. Taking the charge is an art for me. These rules are just a new canvas for me to paint my next masterpiece. 2009 could be my renaissance.

* Note – In this instance, Manu Ginobili is Chris O’Leary

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  • Zibala

    too high

  • baron samedi

    ooooooh.. this be a tough one to call.. you can not argue about the mans skills, his clutch performances and his 3 ‘chips, yet he is a flopper and a bi-hatch! oooooooooh

  • Guaransheed

    Whoever said that Manu Ginobli, who has acclompished alot so far, his a little b***h is a loser and i will knock them in the face. If Manu has a bad game, the spurs will have trouble winning. God Bless You Manu Ginobili.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    Now this rating is much more make sense, putting Manu on no 15. Even though he is injured a lot this season.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    on no 14 I meant. however I still don’t agree with Yao on no 15

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I like the bit about the facebook pages on Manu. If Manu really spoke like that, wouldnt he have some pronunciation issues like Barbossa or Yao?
    I can imagine that a large portion of comments will be ‘Manu sucks. Manu is too high/low. Manu is a flopping b*tch.’
    Thats fine. But the dude wins. He flat out wins.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, and that picture pretty much sums up Manu’s unique and effective style of play. Getting through a double team, albeit in an unattractive and somewhat unorthodox manner.

  • larrylegend

    i HATE the spurs…long live big shot rob!

    manu, you’re ok, but please join another team!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    The BEasT has awooken. This is disputeable, but the article was good. I think Manu should be 13 and D-Howitsier should be 14, but its just one freaking spot, so i am not gonna throw a effin b!tch fit

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, and just quickly, raise your cyber hand if you are interested in playing fantasy NBA this year on Yahoo. NO I am NOT going to Commish that. Just an indicator of the number in people interested.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    -keeps hand down-

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Yeh like Boozer and Tmac, AI and Baron.
    @BET-email me when you get that Cats preview done. Take your time on it Broham.
    Hursty out. Have a good one fellas.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I got that message already BET :) Later mate.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i still havent started it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, and is anybody else getting the new layout for nba.com? Damn I gotta stop posting. Out.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    daaaaaaaaaaayum thats nice

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Like that Manu get some credit on this list, still think he’s a little too low though. Plain and simple he’s a better basketball player than Melo for example. Not more talented, just better. Ask yourself this if you should choose one or the other for a game 7 which one would you pick. As of right now Manu is pretty much tied with Pierce for most clutch in the L. Also think he’s surpassed Dirk as an overall player. Manu averages a very efficient 20, 5 & 5 in limited minutes and in a balanced system, while also defending adequately and always coming up with big plays. Manu is stud.

  • http://slamonline.com Chris O’Leary

    Could Manu be the most mentally tough foreign player in the League? After seeing him do it for so many years, it still surprises me every time I see him dunk all over someone.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Raises cyberhand. I’m pretty sure TAD already knows that I’m in.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    yeh, he’s definitly better than melo, and he’s winning…manu a.k.a KING OF FLOPPING

  • Kareem

    Worst rating ever

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    At least he ain’t higher than PP.

  • http://www.lifehoopsthoughts.blogspot.com the baconator

    Man, I’m with you on this. Yes, Manu does flop. Yes, he does tend to be a pansy. But at the same time, he’s also one of the most important players on the Spurs. Every night, Manu gets battered, hacked, and sworn at, but he still keeps playing. Look at the stats: 20, 5, and 5. You can’t tell me that just because he has a flopping problem those aren’t great stats, especially cuz he has to share the court with Tony Parker and TD. Point is, Manu deserves to be #14; ’nuff said

  • franko

    he is top 5! he win it all in nba, fiba,europe, olympics and his deep south country!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Why are Melo and Dirk gonna be so high on this list? Why?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am gonna probaly join that Manu has a V@gina group

  • Funkdoc

    this is a tough one. yeah manu is probably one of the best sixth men ever, and averaging 20, 5 and 5 in less than 33 minutes (a guess), is quite unbelievable. Yet, comparing him to other superstars, I don’t think manu is a player that can change a franchise. If you look: Arenas, Iverson, Yao, … They’re all franchise players. Is he too high? I don’t know. I think we should put Manu in New Jersey and let him play 40 minutes to find out. I can’t imagine Manu to be the player getting ugly teams in the play-offs. He just the exellent player for a team like San Antonio. But what if SA didn’t have Timmy? And the discussion goes on and on and on and on

  • ritchb

    I absolutly hate Manu, I always will. This is the right spot for him though.
    co-sign BETCATS 9:18.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Arenas a franchise player??? are you kiddin’ me, wizard is better without him.

  • asdfghjkl

    Melo is lower than Manu Yao AI T-mac etc.

  • Funkdoc

    That always easy to say that the wizards are better without him. It’s been a while since he’s been in shape. But what he said in this interview here on slam with Myles Brown, is actually correct. They did have a good record when he was playing two seasons ago. I don’t believe Arenas is still the player that can turn the wizards around, but I do believe they brought him in for that.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    but they also have a good record when he’s not playing…, btw good record( not really a good record for 40plus win and lose) in eastern con’ doesn’t mean anything besides celtics and pistons.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Gil = overrated

  • James aka The Artist Formerly Known as Krayzie Bone

    He produces like Brandon Roy but on a (for the moment) much better team. If the Blazers improve by 10-15, there should be a similar climb. I realize Iverson could toast him one on one, but being an important cog in a winning machine has to weigh more heavily than athletic ability and stats

  • http://slamonline.com whitechocolate

    overated

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ^overstated

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Well we all know how I feel about this one.

  • franko

    Manu is franchise! he plays for the team if he wants he makes 40 points. only popovich stops him. my word.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    I think this is too low. Give him 35-38 minutes a game, and he’s got Kobe’s stats. I truly believe the Spurs woulda grinded to the finals again if not for his injury. Same with the Olympics.

  • onekingdown

    franko=sashavujacic/MACHINE!

  • franko

    love and hate is the same thing. if you hate him you love him. the other side of love is indifference! (not hate…)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ^that was deep. I am out

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh boy. Well, higher then I would have listed him, but I can understand his effect on the game and this list. I personally would have had him below Ivy, Baron, and Yao. This is sticky territory though. You can make a pretty good argument for the rest of the players that haven’t been named. I just hope the Spurs don’t continue their streak of winning chips in odd number years.

  • bigrick

    i hate that he flops but watching him play is fun and he made those 05 finals decent i wouldnt mind if he was even higher on the list

  • Terrell

    man please….Manu is a glorified role player and i dare ne body to argue…hes a good player but for the people who talk about his championships……doesnt he play with a guy named Duncan…probably the best player of this era and the best PF of all time and also parker one of the best young PG in the game and a finals MVP. Manu is not a franchise player ad whats worst is this is all hell ever be he is past his prime without even having a prime.

  • Jeter

    ONe of the most underrated players in the NBA. THe 14th ranking notwithstanding.

  • Jose

    thats good 4 manu .i expected him between 10-20

  • scott

    Giniobili = Clutch.

  • Bruno

    you guys scare me!
    look at the players you put BEHIND Carmelo!
    AI, TMAC, Yao, Gil, BDavis, MANU… Iverson for chris sake!!!!!
    Manu

  • Bruno

    the article is not bad, but you should wake up. manu is not hated!
    Manu is hated in F***** America, where players like Kobe and Iverson are hated too, so, if you are in a group like this, i think its an accomplishment.
    if Manu has a facebook account, he should create his own community. “I’m hated by the same B@st@rds that elected WBush TWICE and hate Kobe!”
    hahahahahahahahhahahaha
    Manu lower than dirk and specially Melo?!?!?!
    just an american magazine! hahahahaha

  • MeloMan13

    Melo deserves top 10
    think about it, would u rather have melo as ur franchise or the following: AI, Gil, Boozer, T-mac,Tony Park,B-didy?? i think not
    and Ginobili is wayy to high, hes at best, a third option on a good team but thers no way i wud ever have him as my star player over Bosh, Yao, Boom dizzle, Mac etc.

  • scott

    ?

  • scott

    Why am I being censored?

  • scott

    Danny Granger
    Jose Calderon
    Jason Richardson
    Rashard Lewis
    These guys should have been top 50. Who do you guys think got ripped off? Discuss.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I think this isnt going to hit 100 comments because no one effing cares or thinks this list is good anymore!! Discussion over.

  • MeloMan13

    all them deserve it

  • RV

    Scott: Granger DOES NOT deserve top 50. No way in hell. Not from half a season of good play. Eventually he may earn a spot, but not right now.

  • scott

    @RV…Numbers alone put Granger in the top 50. 20/6/2/1/1. Plus shooting percentages of 45/85/40. Granger is legit.

  • RV

    i wonder if SLAM took a look at their 06 list before making this one. On that list they had Adam Morrison at 45. Darko at 49. Cassell at 38. Tmac was at 17. Yao was at 11. Melo was at 8. Manu was 31.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    if Granger does not deserve it, so why kevin durant was on the list???

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Granger has a better stat than durant.

  • RV

    Scott, numbers from when to when? If its for half a season, then its not gonna happen. Its not so much that he’s not good, there’s just 50 guys who are better right now than him. right now he’s in that Rudy gay/Luol Deng area. There’s a lot of young guys in the league in that area right now. He’s got to separate himself from that pack first.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Don’t even bother, RV. Scott thinks that Granger is better than Yao… I’m not even making that up either. Yao should be top 10. Ginobli should be 20, but not this high.

  • RV

    Simone, i didn’t make the list and I never said Durant deserved it, so I can’t answer that question.

  • scott

    @RV…Them numbers were from last season. Granger is only going to get better. Getting drafted that low the young fella has a chip on his shoulder.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Make no mistake though, Ginobli is a GOOD player. Though facebook groups, if they exist, are pretty immature. Probably a bunch of preppy @ss posers… Hmm…

  • RV

    and like i mentioned before, Mike James had a breakout season as well when he tore up the league for 20+ for the season and half of that he was scoring like 25+. Then what happened? He went back to being a back up. Half a season isn’t legit.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    Oh… so you’re saying the list always sucks RV? I’ll stop complaining now. At least the articles are fun to read.

  • scott

    @RV…Don’t know how much you watch the Pacers but you will be pleasantly surprised by Granger. Them numbers I posted from him were for a full year. O’Brien loves to run and gun and so does TJ Ford. Breakout season for Granger.

  • RV

    All lists always suck. Yes i pointed out some bad choices on that list, but overall it wasn’t that bad. I was mostly wondering if that list influenced this list, regardless of whether i think they were bad or good.

  • Greg

    I almost just threw my laptop across the room. This is way too high.

  • RV

    Scott once again, i’m not saying he isn’t talented, he’s just too similar to other young talents in the league, who also didn’t make this list. His numbers are a bit inflated due to averaging 25 per the last month of the season against teams like the knicks, bobcats, washington and milwaukee (twice). If it weren’t for that boost he’d be around 17 per game. Others guys in that area are rashard, aldridge, gordon, crawford, gay, etc.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    somebody please tell me, why luol deng, aldridge didn’t even make da list while durant does?

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    btw, did gay make it?

  • RV

    i dont think he did

  • RV

    if i had to guess, i think they took his “superstar potential” into consideration and figured he’s a lock to be a superstar over gay, aldridge, granger, etc.

  • scott

    @simone…No Gay didn’t make the list. Durant is probably based on potential. He started showing glimpses of what he is capable of doing down the stretch last year. IF he puts it all together Durant will be one of the all time greats.

  • scott

    Sorry Seattle fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    based on potential, i’ll porbably let darko in. hahahaha…

  • Terrell

    why do people bring up the ‘if Gnobbili played more minutes he’d average 25-30ppg’ argument? No one knows that because if he did his efficientcy could go way down and his legs wuldnt be fresh to be as ‘clutch’ as people say he is late in games.

  • http://www.lifehoopsthoughts.blogspot.com the baconator

    @RV: You’re right that Granger is too similar to other players. For example, Jamal Mashburn averaged around 20 pts for the time he was in the league. Yet who remembers him? You certainly wouldn’t put him in a top 50 list while he was playing, yet stat-wise it would indicate he should be. Same for Jamal Crawford nowadays. Every player on here has more than just “good” stats: they also have a little extra “oomph,” something which distinguishes them from the other players. Danny Granger, at least right now, doesn’t have that

  • RV

    Terrell, Manu never seems to get tired, he always seems to be going 100 mph so i dont think playing a couple more mins would hurt him that much. In the long run he’d wear out more quickly, but from game to game he’d be ok. I dont think he’s less clutch when he plays more.

  • Vegas

    damn flopper

  • Nadia Christos

    Manu,Manu….i feel like i can write a book on this guy. but i have just a few minutes, so…

  • Junio Rodrigues

    I’m Brazilian ,so I’m an automatic Argentina-hater. Too high.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Hated because he’s different…and better

  • Nadia Christos

    If bball is a team sport,
    if individual success has a meaning only through the previous basic principle,
    if sucrificing your stats,max contract, and most of all your body again and again has any value in this sport,
    if bball is a last a global game,
    then Manu Ginobili is the most SUCCESFULL player in the world for this decade!!
    (thanks Mr Rudyard Kipling, i am a terrible pupil but at least i gave it a shot…)

  • Nadia Christos

    From 2000 up until his summer Manu has been the best player-leader on teams that have won at all levels of competition ,all kinds of styles around the world. There is NOT a player in the world at this period of time to have achive what MANU has achived…

  • Nadia Christos

    Again, this doesn’t mean that he is the best of the decade but he is top-10 easily….

  • Dimitris

    Yoy got to be kidding! Manu over A.I.? That’s a joke man. And a bad one…

  • Nadia Christos

    Plain and simple Manu is the closest a white player ever came to M.J’s game…At this very moment he is the second best player in the world(KOBE is 1 for the last 5 years). But according to our respected list there are 13 players better than him in the NBA right now(MELO,AMARE,and HOWARD being 3 of them!!!)…somewhere Popovich is laughing at us..but ofcourse Greg doesn’t possess our deep (video)game knowledge….

  • Nadia Christos

    Of course Manu doesn’t care about my opinion or his place on this list. he only cares about this:
    http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/999/selNodeID/999/rankMen.html

  • Nadia Christos

    This is his greatest achievment: being the principal reason for Argentina becoming the best bball nation in the world. And this is propably enough for him…

  • Nadia Christos

    So…., thanks Manu for all those memories(although you were the reason for my favorite national team losing two olympic metals…) and for the pleasure of watching one of the greatest bball talents of all time!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Josh D

    I agree with this completely, Manu may be a flopper, but this means he will do anything to win and when he is on Form, and i mean really on form he is unstoppable( see cleveland and Minnesota in February) If Duncan and Parker and the rest play well through the first month he is out then the Spurs have a very good of a fifth ring in 10 years, speaking of which i’ll be interested to see where Duncan comes in on this list I reckon top 7 or 8, he is one of the greatest players of all time and without a doubt the best 2 forward off all time. I reckon the Spurs will win the Championship this season, and if you think i am a Spurs becuase i live in San Antonio, i’m from England.

  • jdn41

    manus a b*tch

  • Ryan.T.

    Once AGAIN, Another Bullsh*t Pick!! 14th best player in the NBA?? Yeah right. Flashes of brilliance don’t make you the 14th best. One thing for sure is, it’s easier for Manu to try to stay consistent with his style of play since he plays next to Tim Duncan.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Ryan, look up Ginobili’s numbers.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    Wait, what? I’ve heard and read Manu called many things, but white??

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    lol at this. Funny stuff because I’m apart of the group that calls him a p*$$y. Manu is a baller, no doubt, and I have come to stop my hate for the man. I guess I just got tired of constant flopping, throwing elbows when he drives, and his suprising knack for becoming a unstoppable scorer. But that is what makes him so great. he is top twenty but this is a little high. It doesn’t matter though because how many players average around 20, 5, and 5. and sometimes coming off the bench sometimes as well.

  • Tonnaay

    wtf not better then ai

  • Hugo

    maaannnn this pisses me off, this was the worst placement so far. Manu can ball no doubt about it but the last 5 players on the list own him. period!

  • Guaransheed

    I don’t believe this list.

  • Caleb

    Heck yeah. I love Slam for this.

    I despise his flopping, but his game is phenomenal. And like someone else mentioned… that 20/5/5 (not to mention 1.5 steals and 40% from 3-pt range) stat is acheived while playing right at 30 minutes a game as opposed to 35-40.

    Oh and if you guys put any stock into “advanced” stats, here’s an interesting one – Win Shares: 10.7 for Manu last season, 10.6 for Tim Duncan.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    As with Tony Parker, I’d like to see Manu on a normal team without a Hall of Fame big man and a Hall of Fame coach and see how well he produces when the offense is centered around him like how Iverson, Baron, Gilbert, T-mac etc. have had to deal with their entire careers. Not saying he doesn’t deserve to be ranked this high, but you gotta consider that his situation is pretty much ideal while other SGs don’t have nearly as ideal situations around them.

  • Sarah

    People hate him so much because he is damn good. Period. Also, he really doesn’t care what anyone thinks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Double R

    Nba.com’s layout changed because I think Turner officially took over its operation.

  • Caleb

    @what – you can argue the opposite as well. Those guys produce so much because the offense is centered around them and they don’t have as much help – thus its easier for them to rack up the stats.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    I’d put money that if Manu was drafted by a terrible team with a need at the perimeter, he’d have a ridiculous set of stats.

  • j-smoov 5

    To be honest I thought this was a REALLY bad ranking putting him in front of all these talented players…But after the article, I am convinced that he is BETTER than the other players before him. Great article. :D

  • j-smoov 5

    To be honest I thought this was a REALLY bad ranking putting him in front of all these talented players…But after the article, I am convinced that he is BETTER than the other players before him. Great article. :D

  • Diogo

    Really, I know the financial crisis looks bad, and McCain winning is a possibility, and global warming is a b*tch. But the apocalypse isn’t all that near, so you guys can stop putting Ginobili in front of Iverson. The credibility of your magazine thanks you, if it’s still breathing.

  • Camb0dia

    if ai took on manu one on one manu loses 9 out of 10 times, if ai’s team takes on manus team manu wins enough said

  • http://johnhotmail.com dongles

    i fukin hate this flopper, tim duncan, pop and the spurs

  • fattycakes

    Manu is not better than Allen Iverson.

  • gerdo

    dont cry for me argentina

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Caleb, I’m not talking about stats as much as quality of play. In fact I would think Ginobili’s stats would probably go up if he was on the Warriors or Wizards or whatever. What I wonder is if he would continue playing as efficiently and effectively as he does against big time opponents when he’s the focal point of the offense. As many NBA players have shown us you can put up big numbers without necessarily playing efficiently or contributing to your team winning.

  • LAN

    hed be a top 10 if he got more court time… good rating and ive said this about every player since 22…. BETTER THAN MELO OMG

  • KA

    pretty divided opinions, figures. love the dude but understand where all the animosity comes from. also, good point about guys NBA changed adjusted rules for (tho I don’t see Manu as the only player who flops, he’s just poster boy…of course vlade is OG). also I’d put him up there in top 5 all NBA mentally tough, not just for euros. but agree he’s not franchise. tim is franchise. but tim is a franchise who plays like a role player while Manu is a role player who plays like a franchise, considering the game currently is still dictated by guys on the perimeter breaking down defenses, working outside-in. plus, Manu is just too multi-faceted to ignore, but he’s lucky he has tim n tony to temper his TOs. also, alliteration: I has it.

  • tealish

    Ok — Melo has to be next. It’s starting to get out of hand.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Melo must not be considered a top 50 player by Slam because THERE IS NO WAY HE’S A TOP 13 PLAYER in this league. I don’t think even LALA Bonita his wife would put him this high.

    Does Slam base on tattoos and hood cred, or reality and the ability to win games when they matter?

    To quote the immortal point GOD, Dan 50 grand Dickau: “Slam magazine? For some reason they don’t care about winning …”

    He’s onto something. Marbury and Telfair have 5-6 COVERS between them.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Yo KEnny anDERSon duke u be illin and trippin foo’! Melo be nice as ice, dunny … he real, he don’t snitch, he betta den all da ballerz in da L, my dude! he got heart an tall props, az we say in da Chi! U neva c Melo smack mardy collins and den get his track team 4 by 100 sprint on? dude is thorough, foo’ … melo top 5! 4 show! u underdig dat?

  • 12345

    this entire ranking list is stupid as hell… even no. 30 something ron artest is better than manu

  • RV

    Rookie most likely to get his ass beat by the end of the season: Bill Walker…and y’all thought Artest was bad, he was actually the peacekeeper tonight..

  • DannyO

    Good article, Chris. Keep it up.

  • Kieran

    think people should chill with the list… there is alot of grey area in this list ie is it judged on last year alone, career or potential. Im not slating the list but that is my main issue with it, that different criteria is being applied to different players. Manu is good but too high, Al should be ahead of Dirk, Melo, Manu and Baron. I think Dirks rating will be the most contraversial though.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Kieran, there is no grey. It’s about right now, today, at this moment.

    Now, question: how many GMs out of 30 do you think would take Iverson over Dirk if they had a choice tonight?

    See what I mean. Let’s just say it’s the same number as T-Mac’s games in the 2nd round of the ‘offs.

  • scott

    I would take Nowitzki over Iverson in a second if starting a team from scratch.

  • scott

    The thing with Iverson is he has logged so many minutes and at his age he could slip at any time now. Nowitzki started looking like the Nowitzki pre NBA Finals after they got Ason Kidd. Nowitzki is still in the prime of his career and it will be interesting this year to see him play a full year with Kidd. Therefore I think most GM’s would take Nowitzki over Iverson seven days a week.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    scott, AI is 33, kinda old, but he’s not Chris Webber old. And he has shown ZERO signs of slipping yet, so I doubt that. And Kidd has a jumper, he’s shooting .337 for his career from long, and last year he had .461.

  • scott

    @moose…So you would take your chances with Iverson instead of adding Nowitzki. Wow.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    I never said that, scott. I was just saying that you are underestimating Iverson. I don’t know who I’d pick.

  • Jake

    W…T…F…How on earth is he better than Iverson?It’s pretty easy to get 3 rings when you have one of the two most dominant big men to play the game in the last 20 years on your team.I’m going to hug my old sixers jerseys and cry about this injustice to A.I.

  • j.b

    i think a lot of people dont agree with A.L so low and those other cats so high. i mean cmon, how on planet earth can you name like more then 15 people who are better at bball then A.L.
    plus, how is manu better then tony parker? i thought he was besides timmy their mvp.

  • scott

    @moose…If you were starting a team from scratch there is probably about 35 players you would take above Iverson. His age is a huge factor and I don’t know if your counting their contract but you could get alot of players for a hell of alot cheaper. Iverson would take up too much cap space.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    scott, I’m not disagreeing with you, as I’ve said in the last posts. But here are the guys that I would want to build a team around if I’m starting one (in no particular order):

    1. LeBron
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Kevin Garnett
    4. Dwight Howard
    5. Deron Williams
    6. Chris Bosh
    7. Brandon Roy

    Challenge any of em if you want, I can give you reasons.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    1.Deron williams (A)
    2.kobe bryant (E)
    3.tayshaun prince (D)
    4.kevin garnett (E)
    5.D.horward (R,D)
    6.manu( 6th man )(S,A)
    my fantasy team…
    (s=scorer D=defender R=rebounder E=everything guy A=assister)
    just for fun…

  • scott

    That is a pretty solid list but I would replace Chris Bosh and Brandon Roy with Tim Duncan and Steve Nash. Roy’s knee still scares me. How many spots did Roy fall in the draft because of his knee 4 or 5. Bosh just isn’t on the same level as Tim Duncan. I don’t even have to justify that.

  • Ryan.T.

    @ Moose, If your saying look @ Manu’s numbers why isn’t Iverson ranked higher than Manu?? Career stats are better, MVP, led HIS team to the Finals, numerous All-Star appearances. Ginobili isn’t even the number 1 guy on his team. If you play ball than you know it’s easier to stuff the stat sheet with a great big man next to you, because your not always the focal point of the other teams defense. There’s alot of players out there that have more responsibility as a NBA player and are better than Manu, but they won’t get recognized. Why?? Because your going on with stats alone, not factoring in that other guys around Manu take an awful lot of pressure off him @ both ends of the floor.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    Ha. I like Simone’s categories. They can be anagrams like READS, DARES, DEARS, SEAR’D (that’s a reach).

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    Ryan T: if it’s so easy, why didn’t Stephen Jax have the same numbers? Or Finley, or any of the other wings who’ve played with the Spurs?

  • scott

    Deep Burn.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Ryan.T., it’s the best players RIGHT NOW. Right now, Manu is more important TO HIS TEAM than AI. And we aren’t looking at numbers alone.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    And scott, If i want to build a team for the future, I ain’t going for Duncan or Nash.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ryant again, I know that AI is important to his team, he just doesn’t bring them up like Manu does. I know that Parker and Duncan help in that, but Manu is huge. That’s why I agree with the ranking.

  • scott

    If it was for this next year you would be a little foolish to take Roy and Bosh over Nash and Duncan.

  • scott

    Where was Roy #29 and Bosh #22? Where is Duncan and Nash top 13. Slam sides with me.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    scott, we talking bout the FUTURE. In three years (tops) both of these guys will be above Nash and Duncan.

  • scott

    Three years agree. Right now disagree.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Well, i was trying to communicate about the future, so we agree i guess.

  • KA

    agree with DY’s sentiments. i hate the if so and so cat plays with…game. if you go that route, then you start going off on stuff like, if ghill and penny didnt get injured, if kemp kept things straight and so on and so on. bottom line is, the spurs have 3 guys who, on any given night, can be the best player at their position, and manu is above tony, below duncan. this rating makes sense.

  • Wendy

    Manu > Kobe.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    uhhhhh, Wendy?

  • Anton

    maybe she means in a sucking contest

  • http://slamonline.com Josh D.

    Manu isnt a flopper, he just does what it takes to get calls and win. If you’re gonna call someone a flopper, see Sash Vujacic

  • http://slamonline.com Josh D.

    Manu is the object of ridicule for all non-Spurs fans but an absolute joy for fans of hustle and the Spurs.

  • Brandon

    If Melos name hasn’t been used yet.. it better stay off the list…

    OVER RATED

    Manu wins

    i hate the spurs.

  • David

    Thanks, Chris. I liked the asterisk and wished the rest of the article had a bit more about that mental toughness you commented about. The guy’s an amazing scrappy player that can always get to the hoop and definitely doesn’t deserve the hate.

  • Ryan.T.

    As of right now?? Iverson was a all-star last season and Manu wasn’t. As I said before, if we’re talking about “Player” not “Team Player”, Iverson would have to be top 10 without a doubt. As for the Stephen Jackson comment, he wasn’t the same player back then, that he is now. He never had the freedom to play the style of ball that he does with the Warriors. He’s always been a good all around player but has been given the chance to put up big numbers with the fast pace style he now plays. Plus, Jackson was the X-Factor in helping them win the championship that year. He was a starter, played “D”, and made timely buckets. And David Robinson was still around that year. Finley couldn’t/can’t put up those numbers because he is on the downside of his career. Other wings?? Like who?? Steve Smith? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike Manu Ginobili, he is good, but he’s not the 14th best player in the League. If you want me to say you win….. “You Win” but not really.

  • Ryan.T.

    Or maybe you guys are talking Brent Barry(only shoots 3′s), or a older Sean Elliot. Are those the wings your talking about?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ Josh D 5:58: That IS flopping.

  • MoMONEY

    The fact that people are calling Manu overrated makes him underrated in my book… The man is a straight baller

  • Lakersfan24

    wow i dont agree with this one
    i dont think his better than AI or T-Mac

  • Manumaniac

    Why is everybody keep saying that Ginobili is a third option on a good team? I mean, he was the top scorer of the Spurs last year, no?

  • Son of Shawn

    Manu is Overhated

  • Son of Shawn

    The list is only other opinion, all we know that Slam loves AI, Sheed and Chauncey, ignores Prince (most solid Piston last years), and hates Gasol (without him Lakers´ll NEVER pass 1st round) or T-MAC (but they don´t talk about Wade´s last year “injury”). I think that Wade or Gil can´t be so high (thinking on last season injuries), and people like Turkoglu or Calderón could be in the list (due to last season play); the thing is that today KG is top 1 (just think about C´s last two seasons)

  • Son of Shawn

    Why Kidd is on the list “today”?, due to Dallas fiasco?, or to his 5 min per game in the Olympics?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ Manumaniac: By .3 points.

  • Camb0dia

    can we call manu a winner at least?

  • clos1881

    What are these ratings being based on at first I was kinda with slam on most of the ranking but after I saw gilbert arenas ahead of AI and Tmac I started to wonder what the hell yall were thinking now you have Manu ahead of Yao Tmac and AI there isnt a game in basketball that would take Manu over Yao or Tmac Manu is not a guy you build a team a around he’s great third option maybe second he’s not the best or second best on his own team does anyone believe the Rockets would be better if Manu and Tmac switched spots I doubt it but the spurs would be tremendously better with Tmac and I havent even seen where Dirk is ranked but its two high for a choker another thing if Tmac had two all star caliber players around him the way Manu does im sure he would have at least one ring. but would houston go to the playoffs with just Yao and Manu ?

  • Gonn

    Manu is by far the greatest interanational player ever to play the game.He is athletic,a goo defender,a 3pt shooter,a scorer and above all a team player.You said that Arenas,Iverson and Tmac could play with Tim Duncan and be coach by Pop?I don’t think so.I really believe that Iverson would get mad if he should take 5 less shots,pass first or really defend.The same with Tmac,Arenas,Melo,Baron and others stars from this league.They don’t play for theirs teams they play for their stats.Manu is just as talented as these guys an could play in non-playoff team and score 25 easily with 45%,but he prefers to be in a contender team and sacrifice himself fot benefit of his team.That’s the difference between a great player and A WINNER like Manu,and just great players like Iverson,Arenas.etc.

  • Manumaniac

    @ Moose: Yeah, ok, so? He still was the top scorer of the Spurs, wasn’t he? And by the way, yes he wasn’t selected to the All Star Game, but he was selected to the All NBA Third Team. I mean, that should mean something…

  • Manumaniac

    Don’t get me wrong. I’ve always believed (and I still believe) that the Spurs are Tim Duncan’s team. No argue about that. But saying that Manu is seeing Tony Parker’s back is ridiculous. He is not as good as Kobe or Lebron, but he is definitely a better player than Tony Parker.

  • Manumaniac

    Also, let’s just make another case here: why does the fact that Ginobili won three rings playing alongside 2 All Stars (Duncan, Parker) means that he is not a great player. James Worthy had Magic and Kareem. Does that mean that Worthy wasn’t a great player? Ray Allen won a championship last year playing alongside KG and Paul Pierce. Does that mean that Ray Allen isn’t a great basketball player?

  • Gui

    Stop saying Manu without Duncan wouldn’t have won what he has. Remember Manu beat Duncan and US Team in 2004 Olympic Games. Argentina was the first team beating US Team with NBA players (World Championship 2002 Indianapolis).
    Manu is a winner, probably the best player in the world. (Sorry my English).

  • Young Chris MP3

    Not better than Iverson.

  • Caleb

    Good points Manumaniac and Gui… I hate all the Manu hate… and I’m a Hornets fan for godsakes.

  • Brandon

    don’t know about best in the world…

  • Manumaniac

    @ Gui: Good point Gui! I also remember that back in that semifinal game against Team USA (2004 Olympic Games) Ginobili scored 30 points or something. Oh, and by the way Allen Iverson was a part of that USA Team and also he was a teamate of Tim Duncan. But he didn’t won the gold medal, Manu did. Does that ring a bell about who’s the best between them or what?

  • Manumaniac

    @ Caleb: I’m a Hornets fan myself (even though I’m from Greece), because of Peja Stojakovic. He’s my all time favourite player. Go Peja!

  • franko

    Also: manu leads his national team to NUMBER ONE place in FIBA rank! (sorry Iversons fans)
    you won gold, but you have no heart. you are…just…simply…second.
    Iverson = empty hands.
    Euroliga 2001
    MVp Europe 2001
    Italy championships in 2000 and 2001
    2003 NBA ring
    2004 Olimpics GOLD medal
    2005 another NBA ring
    2005 All star game
    2007 another NBa ring
    2008 six man
    lead SAS in point and
    won bronce medal
    Iverson?
    the guy next to iguodala?
    oh sorry
    thats melo…

  • http://slamonline.com Josh D.

    All the Manu haters should just admit what an incredible winner has been throughout his career and realize that though Iverson may be a better individual player, he will never achieve the overall success that Manu has.

  • Anton

    flops more than John Kerry

  • jc

    great player, great winner.

  • Vinc3

    much much much too high

  • Shirley

    I love Manu Ginoboli. He’s a great player and Spurs just wouldn’t be quite the same without Manu. You’re great Manu, don’t listen to the others!

  • http://www.youtube.com/mandiixoxo Amanda

    Manu is a winner no matter where he is. He has the power to take over a game, lead in scoring, and hit a game tying 3 from any angle.
    Im surprised Manu hasn’t broken his back with the way he knifes to the rim.
    Manu deserves this number 14 spot.
    He is the ONLY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY
    to win a Euroleague Title, NBA Title (make that 3), and an Olympic Medal(s)(gold, bronze).
    and not to mention, hes a 6th Man.

  • Cindy

    Is he a flopper? Indeed.
    is he an excellent basketball player and a true leader? Indeed.

    I really really hate the way he plays. But that’s because I don’t root for the Spurs ;)

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    I could name about 100 people that could be higher than him.

  • marianobhi

    manu n0 14??? too low!!!
    He ´s top 10!!!
    Iverson has to play with his own ball, the rest with another ball

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