Tuesday, January 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am  |  56 responses

Vinny Del Negro Has (Already) Declared Who the R.O.Y is

by Marcel Mutoni

Vinny Del Negro is biased – as he should be – so it’s no surprise that he’s picking his guy, Derrick Rose, to win the Rookie of the Year Award. What’s awesome, is just how biased he is.

Try, a lot. From the Sun-Times:

‘There’s not even a conversation as far as I’m concerned,’’ Del Negro said Monday before the Bulls’ 102-98 loss to the New York Knicks.

‘‘Mayo’s having a great year, and Beasley is an incredibly talented player and is playing well. But no one’s played at the level Derrick’s played from the start to this point. Not even close in my opinion.’’

Of course, you could make the legitimate argument that D-Rose is the front-runner for the award, but to declare him the clear-cut winner (and at this point in the season) is beyond ridiculous.

All three rookie studs are putting up predictably solid numbers, but so far, only Beasley’s team is in position to reach the Playoffs. Slow your roll, Vinny, there is much basketball left to be played before this race is called.

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  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Vinny Del Negro sucks.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I declared BEAST Rose the 2008-09 R.O.Y. the minute the Bulls drafted him. So there!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I was trying to think of a more delicate way to put that, but I just can’t. Also, if I had a ROY vote, which I don’t, I’d probably vote for Mr. Mayo. It’s not Derrick’s fault that the Bulls are still completely awful, but the Bulls are still completely awful.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I like Mayo’s game, but there’s no way he’s having a better season than Rose. Russ, it seems like you’re docking Derrick’s season because of the Bulls’ incompetence. Yes, the team is underachieving, but Rose certainly isn’t making his teammates *worse*.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    And if it truly isn’t because of the Bulls’ season, then why give Mayo the nod at this point?

  • airs

    toooooooo easy. rose.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    This isn’t the time nor place to debate it—it IS January, right?—but in what little I’ve seen of OJ, he plays like a vet. Derrick is utterly fantastic in burts, but he’s also inconsistent. And, if the primary job of a point guard is to make his teammates better (as established by Nash, Paul, Williams, et al), he’s actually doing a piss-poor job.

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  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    That said, I’d obviously be fine with Derrick winning ROY, but I’d rather see the Bulls not suck.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I can see your point about Rose not being the pure point guard that he’s supposed to be. I feel like that will never be his game. That said, his assists have gone up every month thus far.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    At least over the last month, I’ve been more impressed with Westbrook and Brook Lopez than I have with either Rose or Mayo.

  • niQ

    this is like with durant, sure others are playing well but you know rose will get it in the end.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Rose is the best athlete of the class. D.J. Augustin is the best pure point. When you have an athlete like Rose, you let him play his game, and try to provide complimentary talent.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I just don’t want to see Rose turn into Marbury.

  • Diesel

    Rose isn’t playing like a traditional point guard because the Bulls need him to score at the moment. Mayo’s Grizzlies are doing worse than the Bulls so I don’t see why he would get it. I don’t see a single thing that Mayo does like a veteran other than hog the ball. Mayo is a taller Ben Gorden without taking any advantage of the height.

  • Diesel

    And love the feature on the new website that lets me read text with other text printed over it and advertisements printed above article text. I need to refresh my screen 3 times just to get through an article. Is this just me?

  • http://jsdf.com Jukai

    Isn’t Mayo SUPPOSE to be a point guard too? Aren’t the Grizzlies’ playing him at the two because he can’t play at the one?
    Rose gets my nod, easily.
    Then again, I said Oden would get it, so what do I know.

  • Tom

    Brook “Bull” Lopez definitely deserves to be mentioned in this convo. Nets are in playoff contention, mainly because he’s become a solid option for them.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Del Negro isn’t even qualified to make this prediction.

  • Diesel

    I think people are getting MVP mixed up with ROY. How the team’s doing should have very little to do with your decision. Its about individual performance. Especially since the Nets doing well is more about Devin Harris than Bull Lopez, and the Heat doing well is 100% Wade. Lets not confuse being a solid roll player with being the best performing/most skilled rookie….thats what an ROY is. If we were voting for an MVP than we’d have to take into account team records and how valuable they are to their team’s success. Not now though.

  • a_whiteman

    Oj mayo is the rookie of the year, his game was ready for this since he was 10. Team stats don’t mean ish for this award, cuz carmelos team made the playoffs, and in the end lbj took it home

  • http://www.bebotbebot.com 007

    has a deep point.

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  • connor m

    I have seen Derrick Rose in person, in a game in which he outscored Deron Williams and led the Bulls to victory, and he took over that game in the second half. He outplayed D-Will and contributed key assists in the 4th quarter. If the Bulls were more competitive or involved in closer games, I’m sure Derrick would be the difference between a win and a loss. ROSE 4 ROY!

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    I wanted to gut everyone that kept ranting about Al Horford last year by saying “look how well Atlanta is doing and he’s a STARTER!” which had nothing to do with the Rookie of the Year race. Should JJ Hickson get Rookie of the Year because of how well the Cavs are doing? Dude plays damn near 15 minutes.

  • a_whiteman

    Jukai…if that’s the case then bill walker for R O Y

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Al Horford averaged—AVERAGED—a double-double while starting for a playoff team. He wasn’t JJ freaking Hickson.

  • Diesel

    I think that as of now, ROY is a 2 horse race. Mayo and Rose stick out above the rest. They have pretty similar numbers, with Rose averaging a few more assits and Mayo averaging a few more points. What seperates them to me is that Rose is putting up his numbers while on the same team as notrious me first gunners like Gordon and Hughes. Mayo is putting up his numbers as the main option on a young team. I think once Hughes is traded, which is looking more and more like the reality, and Heinrich works his way back into the rotation over Gordon, you’ll see Rose taking a bigger role on the team and putting the ROY race away for good.

  • collin

    rose definetely deserves it

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I read some writer the other day who said that a big man getting a double/double should really be called “doing your job.”
    Now, I’m not sure if agree with that totally, but it was funny.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …Just a note from Cavs/Lakers last night: Sasha thinking he was going to coast to coast and score on the break (before LeBron wiped it) was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in a besketball game.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Jukai’s Horford-Hickson comparison was laughable. At best.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Brook Lopez won’t get any consideration for ROY because he’s not as flashy or hyped-up as the Rose-Mayo-Westbrook triumverate. But over the last month, he’s been the best rookie of the bunch. He’s plays both ends and I’m not sure I’d completely discount team success as a ROY factor. Rose has been up and down and hasn’t done much in terms of spreading the rock or making the Bulls better and Mayo is, at best, a deadly scorer and, at worst, a consummate chucker.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    considering DJ outscored Derrick (33 to 9) in Chicago comming off the bench, i would not say that Derrick is ‘on a whole other level’ but he is very good. However, DJ will come off the bench as long as Raymond continues his great play. Oh well…

  • Diesel

    If you’re going to make an argument for Lopez, then you’d have to include Gasol as well. Their numbers are identical. I personally think they’re both solid, but not award worthy. On a seperate note, whoever does the rookie rankings on The Follower needs to be fired. Rose is ranked 4th behind Mayo, Westbrrok, and Gasol….just barely beating out Kevin Love, who’s ranked ahead of Lopez. Its almost liek they’re just jumping on the bandwagon of the latest player to have a good game. That doesn’t sound like them.

  • kevin k

    it will be a crime if Mayo doesn’t win the ROY. It will also be a crime if Rose doesn’t win. Make it simple and give them CO-ROY like they did with Grant Hill and Kidd.

    If I do have to choose one, I will choose Mayo.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    BET: George Hill smoked Rose when they matched up as well (TP was hurt); Dropped 20 on him and held him to less than 10 points on poor shooting and kept him out of the lane.
    Gasol doesnt have the block numbers or general tough dfense that Lopez has provided, but he has played pretty well. Check Lopez’s stats his emergence as the starter. Gasol’s numbers started high and have decreased slightly. when getting starters minutes Gasol is not nearly as consistent as Lopez, who has really come on strong of late.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    “Check Lopez’ stats SINCE his emergence as a starter”

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    BET: Felton has really stepped his game up offensively since the JRich trade.

  • slamfan4life

    hes right! who else has done what this kid has done even in a LOSS he does good!

    20pt 8ast

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Cio: Raymond was starting that game, DJ came off the Bench and lit it up for 33. Raymond had like 20-something. But the more impressive part was Raymond holding Rose to 9 IN A GAME THAT WENT TO OVERTIME. And yeah, my boy Felton is trippin balls right now.

  • Mike

    Ryne, for lack of a better term, your stupid. you sit here saying Mayo should because the Bulls are awful, but the Grizziles are clearly worse. Far, Far worse at that. Rose deserves is as this point. He is playing on a team that is one game out of the playoffs at this poitn and every player on the time defers to him come the 4th. The bulls woudl have less than ten wins without Rose.

  • The Promise

    It will be a close race, no matter what he thinks.

  • Mike

    my appologies to ryne, my previous post was in response to Russ, not ryne.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    im just wondering how a Bulls team with the same roster that SLAM and other media outlets predicted to ‘win it all’ 1-2 years ago is ‘god awful’ without Derrick. Unless they were wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Not a problem at all, Mike. Glad we’re on the same side!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Yes, obviously I’m stupid. Sorry for inconveniencing you all with my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And yes, it is my stupid. All of it.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    The only thing stupid is CO-Awards…. That Grant Hill/JKidd combo was crap and so it would be for that to happen again this year. It’s either OJ or Rose but you couldn’t tell till the smoke cleared in April.

  • http://iballforreal.blogspot.com Trey

    I don’t even see how this is close. Rose has been mentioned as one of the best at his position..at age 20. He’s outplayed D-Will, Bibby, Nash, Devin Harris (twice). Dropped 27 and 9 IN L.A. 25 in G.S. 27 in Atlanta. So on and so forth. Dropped 26 on Mayo. The only argument I hear for Mayo is he has a better jumper. Nevermind that he has limited extraordinary skills outside of that and that he’s been inconsistent at the one advantage he has over Rose.

  • jrp14

    By the end of the year greg Oden will be the mvp

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    It’s okay Russ, we’re used to your stupid opinions. Not to take anything away from Horford’s barely scraping ten points a game and grabbing ten boards on one of the smaller teams in the NBA, but people’s REASONING for selecting him over Durant (dude averaging 20 points while being double teamed every night) was because he was on a playoff team. I get it that he wasn’t coming off the bench and that’s why there is some relevancy, but there were SO MANY OTHER FACTORS to why the Hawks made the playoffs, namely getting a point guard who could actually control tempo and pace, and Johnson finally emerging to be the star we all thought he was.

  • The Question

    Reminds me back when Kevin McHale announced Marbury should be ROY…and then AI won it….

    Just like OJ Mayo should

  • Son of Shawn

    I´m very dissapointed with te Grizzlies season, they are underacheving, they can get a lot more with the tools they have, so, I wouldn´t vote none of them for an award

  • Son of Shawn

    We must change Memphis team name, and it looks that young Gasol has a great one: “Memphis Headless Chickens”

  • http://myspace.com/arodakaroman and1ballermj2350

    He’s just sad he’s not playing in the L with his fox like hair. so graceful. lol