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Wednesday, July 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  123 responses

Who Will Land Carlos Boozer?

by Marcel Mutoni

Carlos Boozer went on the radio yesterday and revealed the League’s worst-kept secret: The Utah Jazz forward confirmed that his employer is actively shopping his services around the NBA.

The Salt Lake Tribune has the quotes from Booz:

Q: Do you think you’ll be traded from the Jazz?
CB: Yeah, I do. I had a talk with the Jazz and the Jazz told me they wanted to go in a different direction and I respected their decision and we mutually agreed to work out a trade that was beneficial for them as well [as] beneficial for me and my family. That being said, I’m assuming to be traded here relatively soon or in good time.


Q: Do you believe you’ll be traded to the Bulls?
CB: I’ve definitely heard a lot of rumblings about it. I don’t know if it’ll go down or not. That’s kind of between the Jazz and Chicago. But obviously if I did get traded to Chicago, I’d love to be a part of the Bulls.

The Bulls aren’t the only team in the running for Carlos; New York is also reportedly throwing its name in the hat, if only tentatively.

Looks like it’s time to re-vist the rumored three-way trade between Chicago, Utah and Portland. Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas should probably start packing up their belongings, just to be safe.

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  • andy15

    can he use his talent better outside Jazz’s pick & roll?

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    SURPRISEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!111“““

  • neaorin

    Boozer to the Warriors for Stephen Jackson and Anthony Randolph.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The Heat are in talks with the Jazz too. Not sure what they were talking about as pieces but Haslem/Blount for contract matches is what I’ve heard.

  • flash

    y wud the heat want boozer? hes undersized and is always injured. plus mike beasley and him plays the same, hes beasley without the 3′s

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ‘Cause Beasley is possibly being moved too.

  • flash

    beasley for stat i wish

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Whoa if they give up beasley… that’s kind of stupid. I also don’t want boozer on the knicks I’d rather have david lee, he’s less injury prone.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    still if beasly stays couldn’t they pair up as a strong 3-4 tandem? I picture Beasley as a Melo-type player in the near future.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Hisham: a far, far worse Melo.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Hopefully he rebounds better than melo.

  • Boston Baller

    Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas never unpacked their belongings…..Is Miami really going to give up on Beasley after 1 year? Was his play that bad? Was it him or the team? Would Boozer melt in the Miami heat after being in that Utah air? These questions will be answered soon, we hope.

  • flash

    riles aint gonna give up beasley anyway bcause if dwade leaves them, beasley is the heir to the throne.

  • el gee

    ty thomas never amounted to what i thought he would be, i wonder how much upside execs in the league consider him to have?

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    you’re right Jukai, far worse. I was actually talking about his size, strength and athleticism playing a bullyish small forward type game like Carmelo does. But not nearly as well as Melo does it.

  • matt the jazz fan

    i hope booze leaving doesn’t happen but that’s probably (ok definitely) sticking my head into the sand.
    he can create shots down low with tons of moves, and he can drive and shoot that looping free throw line jumper over anyone, incl. yao…
    millsap’s good but just not in the same class, tot he point where 60 games from booze is better than 82 from millsap, despite the difference in heart (can that be measured?).

    and ty thomas! we can’t get anything better than ty effing thomas?!
    sheesh i don’t know how long d-will’s gonna stay now.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    i think i read somewhere that Tyrus Thomas just got bought out by the Bulls.

  • Clockwork

    I doubt Miami is really in the running, aren’t they talking to Odom too? I doubt that it will ever happen, but if they can sign Odom and trade for Boozer, that would be pretty decent team

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    They’re not going after Lamar. Actually, they’ve made offers for Caron too but The Wiz aren’t listening.

  • chintao

    @ Bryan == > Nice cheapshot, but not well-founded. With a 6.8 RPG average, ‘Melo would have been ranked somewhere near #36 in the league (he only played in 66 games, so he does not qualify for the list on NBA.com). Does Uno-Pound have the talent to do better? Yes. Is he a waste as a rebounder? Not really.

  • Clockwork

    Damn, are the Heat trying to re-build their 2004 roster?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Clockwork, they really have been trying to do JUST THAT. Wade has been the one pushing for those particular guys.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    That would be too cool if it happened. Now that would be a team i’d root for. Odom Wade and Butler back together. not going to happen, though

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I didn’t say he was a waste I said I hope beasley rebounds better. So save your stats that I care nothing about.

  • chintao

    Just to round things out, Beasley averaged 5.4 boards per game this year. In his rookie year, ‘Melo averaged 6.1.

  • Clockwork

    I always felt that the heat had traded away the core of a promising team for Shaq. I can’t hate since they won in 2006, but I can’t help wonder what would have happened if they had kept Caron, Odom and Rafer Alston with Wade…

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Lamar would be great for the heat, I can’t believe the lakers are gonna let him go. They need him, f*ck artest and pau lamar is their second most important player.

  • tsole

    everybody knows boozer and wade are best of friends . boozer lives in boca raton fl. wade wants him and riley’s going to make it happen. beasley ain’t going nowhere they’ve already started beasley’s transformation to small foward this summer.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Did you check the minutes played part of their rookie year while you’re aimlessly throwing stats out?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    If you’re rebuilding that old Heat squad, trade around for Skip. You need a starting level PG in Miami, Chalmers isn’t THAT guy quite yet IMO.

  • STANI

    neaorin Posted: Jul.15 at 9:10 am
    Boozer to the Warriors for Stephen Jackson and Anthony Randolph. LOLLLLLLL thats the dumbest sh!t i heard lolll

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You guys are speaking in too intelligent of terms. Let it be said that NONE of those guys will be back in Miami, which is a shame.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    co-sign Bryan.

  • chintao

    @ Bryan ==> It’s OK to admit that you made a mistake. We’re all forgiving people here.

  • http://fsdjklf.com Jukai

    For a brief period, I thought about posting as ‘Mad Max’ but decided against it. SLAM, fire your database team.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    Limited-undersized power-forward that i can see him ending like Ben Wallace….i’ll take Chris Andersen over him anyday….actually the Rockets just signed one of the top-10 big men in the world, i am curious how effective is he going to be in the NBA….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    TOP-10 big men in the world(NOT NBA…) at the moment:
    1)GASOL
    2)DUNCAN
    3)YAO(when healthy)
    4)GARNETT(when healthy)
    5)BOSH
    6)SPLITTER
    7)HOWARD
    8)SHAQ
    9)ANDERSEN
    10)PEKOVIC

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Kostas/Nick – I’m Australian. Hi. You know me, and I know you *shakes hands in a friendly manner*.
    You may, or may not know that Andersen is Australian. He was born in Carlton Victoria – very close to where I live. As an Australian overseas, he gets a lot of media attention here, and I’ve seen him play multiple times live for Australia in Olympic qualifying, and naturally saw all his games in the Olympics on TV.
    Personally, even though it’s great to cheer for the underdog in Andersen, it’s reasonable to expect that he won’t be a success. He has a limited offensive arsenal, his psyche is questionable, and he’s 29 already. He’s not skilled enough to play on the perimeter, and isn’t physical enough to bang inside. His defense is only average as well. I understand there are differences in Euroleague and NBA competition, and perhaps some of his skills will translate more in an NBA game, such as his passing – which is very solid for a big man, but I don’t honestly think he’ll have a lot of success.
    I also don’t see him as a top 10 big man either. Do you mean ‘world’ as in, everywhere? Or in Europe? Because that may be the case.
    Thanks for your time, have a nice day.
    much love,
    Hursty.

  • jk_light

    @Kostas
    When you talk about All World, then Dirk should be Top3

  • Clockwork

    Splitter?

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Dude please

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, well you qualified your statement. That saves a bit of anguish. Might have a bit of a friendly debate on that in a minute. How’s that sound friend?
    BTW, your link leads to a university professor. What’s up with that?

  • Krishan

    This is a pretty disappointing time to be a heat fan then. Imagine letting all your pieces go just so your superstar doesn’t bail. And that’s a pretty lopsided gamble, because right now outside of amar’e it’s slim pickings, and the heat DON’T need stat. And after riles is done chopping up this squad, wade might still not stick around. What’s the situation with his extension talks anyway?

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    Hursty, the link is all part of this goofy guy’s total randomness. It’s beyond me that he still gets any response on these boards.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Why does everyone ‘get their knickers in a knot’ when that Euro troll posts stupid stuff in here? He just wants to wear leather pants, make lists, irritate people, and suck off Carlos Delfino….we can prevent 2 out of 4 by ignoring him.

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    I wish i could get my point across the way BETcats can. I would be so funny.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    Dear Hursty, i have seen many-many times Chris for the last five years and of course i knew that he is Australian. His showing last year at the Olympics was average but his European performances (best big man on the last two final-fours for example )with Barcelona and CSSKA were outstanding. He might be the best shooting big man of all ten i have in my list and he is used to play in the Euroleague where the game is much more physical than the NBA (as Colangelo repeatedly said). You are right about his age and this is one of my main concerns with him….Anyway,we are talking about a very agile player with terrific shooting and good(but not great) post moves (limited offensive arsenal???). When i am saying “top-10″ in the world i mean: the players that would perform(or have already performed) best in the biggest bball stage in the world that is the OLYMPICS and the WORLDCHAMPIONSHIP….For example, LEBRON & C.PAUL are better NBA players than KOBE & DERON at the moment but the last two are better players for highly sophisticated bball since they are more complete players. Gasol toyed last year in Beijing with both Howard and Bosh (Bosh was much better since he is a more complete player than Dwight) but in a track&field marathon like the NBA regular season Dwight has the advantage…At the same time,when things got serious at the NBA finals, Gasol had the same numbers with Dwight while having to share (to put it politely) the ball with Kobe. If Gasol had the role of Dwight in Orlando he would have finished with 30 points average easily BUT he would not have been able to contribute to Orlando the way Dwight does during the regular season(run-jump,run-jump)…have a nice day you all, i am going to play some ball but i’ll be back later…

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I didn’t make a mistake.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The NBA>>The World. If you cant do it here, it doesnt matter what you do out their. So many of them come over here and fail, it really doesnt matter how ‘good’ they are. Im sure their are at least 2 6’10 wheelchair basketball guys that could crack that list, but then again we wont judge them because the style of basketball is different. Same thing with the euroleauge, we dont judge them because they are different. You said it yourself, the euroboys cant play as good in the NBA against the NBA players, SO WHY PUT THEM ON THE SAME LIST?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Wow no one has co signed me in awhile I thought I had become irrelavant here.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I fail to see how shooting 1/7 3/11 etc during the Olympics are good offensive games, especially when you only get 4 or 5 rebounds at the same time. But, like you said, he had a poor Olympic showing.
    He DID play well in the Euro F4 games – good observation – and his statistics back that up. Nice talking to you Kostas. Have fun at your basketball game, and don’t dunk on too many people – remember skills are more important, especially when playing streetball, even though Drake tells us ‘no fundamentals are needed, you’re playing streetball’ (at least I think it’s Drake and those lyrics).

  • Wdavid

    @neaorin: Personally, I think Randolph is untouchable for GS right now, with the potential to be a truly unique All-Star player, whereas The Booze is overvalued at this point in his career.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i enjoy going against my own advice and getting sucked into this fun stuff, but i gotta go.

  • Clockwork

    No really, who is Splitter?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Tiago Splitter. The Spurs first round pick a year or two ago. He’s Brazilian I think? Looks reasonably athletic and is 6’10 or so.

  • Clockwork

    And he’s ranked ahead of Shaq and Howard? Haha good job Kostas! BTW saying Yao when healthy is like saying Rodman when sane.

  • LeoneL

    On a different note, Richard Jefferson stood up his bride to be: http://digg.com/d1wqth

    Oh, Carlos Boozer to the Bulls? Will probably work out as they have D-Rose. But won’t D-Will be unhappy with that?

  • tavoris

    Kostas….there’s no valid top big men list with Duncan below #1. and your list is a travesty if Dirk isn’t #2 or #3. Maybe the champagne got u a little drunk for Gasol-he’s a great player, but he almost NEVER sees anything other than single coverage.

  • tavoris

    so true BETCATS

  • Krishan

    It’s pretty funny how, in a single post nonetheless, that kostas abdicated that andersen had a bad showing in the olympics, and then rationalized his list is ranked on how good this guys would play ON the olympics. ANDERSESN IS TOP 10 BIG MAN IN THE OLYMPICS, BUT HE SUCKED AT THEM

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know….the more I think about it..Carlos would possibly be a good influence on Beasley. Beas has an affinity for him. During one of the post-game broadcasts after a Heat win this season (and a game where Mike scored in the twenties and looked solid)he was being interviewed in the “Winners Circle” and was watching his highlights from the game. One pick and roll layup he finished he commented “I looked like Carlos Boozer right there” and then later on another highlight of him finishing an and1 pick and roll he yelled “BOOZ-ER” after the highlight. Not sure if he’s the ideal choice for a NBA role model but it’s a start, I guess. Maybe he can take the best of Udonis too if he’s dealt…at least in heart and effort.

  • slamnfan4life

    Althought I really want Boozer in Chi, I don’t want to give up both Hinrich and Tyrus

  • chingy

    drose and booz will make a good 1-2 punch; and that list is wack without dirk

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    I’m just happy that people still say “wack”! Doesn’t make me feel as old and irrelevant.

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    As a blazer fan, I kinda hope that the Jazz match our offer for Millsap and he remains with team, letting them trade Booze. I know Millsap wouldnt hurt the team but dont think we need to pump so much money into a 6th man, and we will need the cap room for next year when Roy and Aldridge. Heard we’re working on Sean May which is good cuz he doesnt demand a lot of $

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Damnit, the moment I read Kostas’ post, I IMMEDIATELY picked up on him saying Anderson had a bad olympic showing, then saying “THE OLYMPICS/FIBA WORLDS ARE ALL THAT MATTER.”
    I thought I would be the first to point that out, but Krishan beat me to it.
    Dirk plays way better in the olympics and worlds and it’s sad that he wasn’t added to that list, I’m going to asy that Kostas just FORGOT about Dirk when thinking about big men.
    I would still say Bosh/Howard/Duncan go above all those other guys.
    Kostas, you do not take one thing into consideration: People like Dirk, Yao, and Gasol… they have PLAYED in the FIBA style before, and they’ve it -A LOT.- Duncan, Bosh, Howard… the system is alien to them, they have barely played it. It’s unfair to say that the best of the best compete in the Olympics and Worlds because the rules in the Olympics and Worlds are something that Duncan, Howard and Bosh don’t practice on, yet they still dominate. I’d say that puts them above the rest (maybe not Gasol and Dirk… those dudes downright SLAUGHTER competition).
    I actually think Shaq would fair better in Europe since he could camp the lane.

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    starting 5- Pryzbilla,Aldridge,Outlaw,Roy,Blake. first 5 off bench- Oden,*May,Batum,Fernandez,Bayless. rest of team- Webster, S.Randolph,Ruffin,LaFrentz,whatever rookies we keep.

  • bullls4life

    da bulls would be raw with drose and booz 7th ring baby!!

  • bullls4life

    da bulls would be raw with drose and booz, 7th ring baby!! da bulls are going to be contenders

  • chingy

    @jeff, just trying to expand slam’s list of vocabs

    and why was “Chris” and his email in the Name and Mail textboxes? Does that mean other people may be me and see my email?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Contradiction is funny.

  • Izzo

    Co-sign TAD.
    I thought it had long been agreed upon to ignore Koustas’/whatever random Greek player he’s using as his screen-name’s lists.

  • http://wordonthestreetsmag.com Rodney K

    The Heat or the Bulls would fit Boozer’s game. If he goes to Chicago, a Derrick Rose/Carlos Boozer sounds like a better version of Kenny Anderson/Derrick Coleman. And the Heat fit him as well, but they got some issues. If they land Boozer then I guess that means B-Easy will have to come off the bench. Larmar Odom will play the 4 making Boozer a 3. I dont see B-Easy being a 2 guard and I know he can’t defend the 3spot yet. It would be interesting, unless they talk LO into coming off the bench? Can’t wait for the Season! Go Celtics!

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Chicago/Miami, regardless it’s an upgrade for Carlos. In so many ways.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Okafor OR Diaw and Bell 4 Boozer and a 2nd round pick (if we sign AI) would make me happy.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    don’t have much time but i’ll try answer you all (at least the ones that were able to construct a rational-interesting argument…)
    @jk_light & others….:i am following Dirk since most of you didn’t knew he existed and he has remained in my dreams the revolution of a small forward, a much taller version of Larry Bird. The truth is that all these are now in my dreams (along many others) since he is used as a big man both in Germany and in the NBA. If i have to put him in that list (and the truth is that i am obliged to do so) i have him top-3. He is definitely better than Gasol but i like Duncan better as a close to the basket player than Dirk. As a player he is clearly the best of all the ones in the list and 3rd best big man of the decade after Shaq and Duncan.
    Clockwork ….:you don’t even know who Splitter is but at the same time you are sure that Howard ,who, after 5 years in the league has O (zero, the number) offensive moves,and the corpse of Shaq are better than him….at the same time you seem to know Pekovic…strange things…
    @Krishan….:read again what i wrote with somebody older than you…(but after you finish homework in order not to have problems with your parents, ask Eboy and Allenp how they do it…)
    @Jukai….:the system is allien to them,this is valid and i have mentioned it in the past. BUT: up until some years ago many leagues around the world had slightly different rules between them with the NBA having the biggest differences.I am using the FIBA ones as a rule since everybody in the world is using them (except NBA that is slowly adapting by allowing zone diffences and some other staff). At the same time the only guy (i repeat: at the moment) that can be considered at the level of Gasol and Dirk is Duncan.In my opinion Tim is on a decline because of age (he can do nothing about this)and at the moment he is slightly under both Dirk and Pau. The most sound U.S. big at the moment is Bosh. I won’t even discuss about Howard (he was outplayed by Marc last summer,the guy is so weak fundamentally that i wonder what Ewing is doing 3 years. I am telling you that in six years he will dissapear at the same way that jumpmen before him did when their athletisism left them- Kemp,Ben Wallace,Dominique…)and SHAQ is simply too old.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    @Hursty…:i have lots of respect for Australian bball,you team are fighting every match and you are always around the top of the world (consistenly top-8 for the last 20 years) doing a very good job at all age levels. I liked very much Andrew Gage that played in greece in the 90′s and also the 1995 junior team that made it to the final with the McKinnon’s and my favorite one ,the hot shooting Aaron Traheir (or something like that..). Most of all i liked Shain Hill(also played in greece).

  • neaorin

    @Wdavid: maybe you’re right, but with the rumors flying around about the Warriors owner wanting to get out, you never know. They can’t move Corey Maggette and his huge contract, so they move Jax, saving some 30 million while getting a legit 4 alongside Biedrins and opening up minutes for Curry all in one move. And the Jazz make room for Millsap while getting a much-needed upgrade at SG. Makes sense to me. If GSW doesn’t want to give up Randolph then maybe Brandan Wright and a second rounder instead.

  • neaorin

    and as for STANI… when LOL makes up half your post I won’t bother answering.

  • Natron021

    Here’s a scenario for the Lakers that would be an option…make a sign and trade deal for Lamar Odom since the Lakers can pay him the most, and get Carlos Boozer. The only problem is that the Lakers would maybe have to pay the luxury tax, but it would temporarily solve the Lakers problem, and I think it would be best for all involved.

  • jose

    Miami does need skip to my lou back. And boozer seems nice but hes undersized.(then again haslem is shorter barely i think)but haslem is a pretty cool dude.i wouldnt want him leavin miami. Get Skip for chris quinn!haha

  • Aristotle

    So Wade wants that championship contending team…so how does Miami help him?
    Well the problem still really lies with Centre and Point Guard. Haslem I find underrated for the effort and heart he puts into every game, and he’s consistent. Beasley will only get better in his 2nd season, and so will Chalmers. Wade will keep doing what he’s always done.
    The only negatives I find is that Haslem (as much as I love the guy playing for my team), I think has reached his peak in Miami and might excel somewhere else instead, and that Chalmers is way off from being the level of point guard that Wade would like. If Miami could bring a strong centre in (I’d love to see Al Jefferson be brought in) then you could keep Haslem and Beasley. It would of also been bliss if we could of convinced someone like Jason Kidd, but that won’t happen with Dallas’ current squad.
    Miami won’t get trades from playoff contending teams, so they’ll need to sit down and see how Wade and the coach want the team to work. Amare I can see working in Miami, but he seems to injury prone lately. Boozer…I just don’t see him fitting in.
    Personally, I think Miami will need to start looking at the pieces for Wade before the trade deadline. If Miami manages to win the signature of someone like Bosh, then you know that Beasley will almost need to go as he’ll want to be a main man on some team and not the third option.
    I’d love to see Wade/Bosh/Ariza in 2010 for Miami with whatever other pieces are needed by trading Haslem and Beasley. I’d love it if Wade would give them all one more year to see how the whole team gels and plays, but I get the feeling he won’t stay if that’s the case, so the trades will need to happen even if I think Beasley and Haslem in 2010 would help make Miami stronger after 2 seasons. The line-up of say O’Neal(if he stays for a season and then possibly traded)/Haslem/Beasley/Wade/Chalmers with Cook and Diawara on the bench…isn’t that bad.
    *shrugs* I guess we’ll see.

  • Quail

    In a perfect world, Odom would head to portland and booz would go to Orlando for Bass and Pietrus. maybe CJ Miles would head to Orlando too. Amen???

  • RedRum

    I think miami should try and get him, along with maybe Odom they would make a legitimate team. Maybe they can use boozer for a sign and trade for Bosh (who I think can make the team a contender).

  • badnews

    dirk is whack…. No to Paul Milsap, but yes to Sean May.?. Damn, that $h*t in Ptown really is good.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No, Knicks do NOT want Boozer. Houston maybe.

  • Zach

    Way to write a book Aristole& Kostas Koufos
    anyways… The Bulls need to stay away from Boozer. Resign Hinrich and Thomas and wait till 2010 and get D Wade. Simple as that.

  • http://dfjsklf.com Jukai

    KOSTAS KOUFOS: There are many things that FIBA should adapt from the NBA, such as a longer three point line (which it seems like they will) and goal tending (which it seems like they wont). It’s insane for both organizations to play by different rules, but neither want to change.
    America created basketball– why change for an organization (FIBA) which draws less money?

  • http://dfjsklf.com Jukai

    Also, just cause Howard doesn’t have any post moves, doesn’t mean he didn’t put up the same numbers as Splitter did in the olympics. Skill is only one portion of the equation. Physical might and speed are another. I’d put Howard over Splitter.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jukai, are you seriously having this debate? YES Dwight f’ing Howard is better than Tiago Splitter. How is something so obvious a debate?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Unless you were talking about their performances in the Olympics.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Natron021 Posted: Jul.15 at 4:53 pm
    Here’s a scenario for the Lakers that would be an option…make a sign and trade deal for Lamar Odom since the Lakers can pay him the most, and get Carlos Boozer. The only problem is that the Lakers would maybe have to pay the luxury tax, but it would temporarily solve the Lakers problem, and I think it would be best for all involved.
    ________________________________________________
    Why would the Lakers want Boozer? I don’t want him there.

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    @badnews- The best you’ll find in the country…. Im just opposed to getting Millsap cuz we’ll need that $ to resign Roy, Aldridge, and Outlaw. If May did come here he would play behind Aldridge meaning only about 10-15 mins a night. We just need someone to relieve our guys for a few mins, dont need another star, in which Millsap will become.

  • Rusty

    I feel bad for miami, they thought they were getting 6’10 PF who could score like a guard, instead they got a 6’7 PF who has absolutley no idea what defense is. I still think he will be an all star, but he wont be a top tier nba player. As for booze, Trade him for shaq!

  • badnews

    [@Blaze] True, and I do think the Jazz will match. Just get excited cause I like Milsap’s upside. But just don’t think Sean May offers more than Channing Frye did… no doubt the City of Roses offers the best!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    @Jukai&Teddy….: Howard didn’t have the same numbers like Splitter at the Olympics,he had WAY better CAUSE Tiago NEVER played at the Olympics….(i love it when my kids debate on players that have never seen play!!!!)

  • Bart

    @ Koufos
    your saying that if Al Jefferson or Amare Stoudemire got a chance on the big stage they wouldn’t put up better numbers than Anderson and Pekovik
    Europeans are overratted, Dirk is the only one worth mentioning. I would say Chris Anstey is better than Anderson in Australian basketball and he’s no Al Jefferson. 23 and 11 in the NBA.. dude would be unstoppable in the average Euroleague

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    Bart…..:Amare would be at the bench in the top-4 Euroleague teams…he cannot play defense and he doesn’t have the toughness to bang under the basket with much bigger guys(Pekovic would have him crying..).SHAQ would have been more suitable… Al is coming of a really serious injury,if he comes back ok and continous his improvment then he will be top-5(with Duncan & Garnett fading and Dwight unable to develop a game).Those 2 are big “IF’s”. And stop giving me NBA numbers (especially Phoenix Suns numbers..): Josh had decent numbers and is a smarter kid than Amare but everyone was praying for Giannakis not to put him in the game (i am talking about the big games).

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Teddy-the-Bear: Yes, I’m having a serious debate. Kostas is smart, he just dumbly picks favorites which destroy his entire point. So, it’s onto the caplock
    Kofas: YOU SAID THE -ONLY- THING THAT MATTERS IS YOUR PERFORMANCE IN THE OLYMPICS AND WORLDS! IF TIAGO HAS NEVER PLAYED IN THE WORLDS OR OLYMPICS, HOW COULD YOU EVEN PUT HIM ON YOUR LIST!
    -STOP-
    -PICKING-
    -FAVORITES-
    it makes you incredibly dumb and takes away every single point you’d have. If you’re judging Tiago on his performances with Tau Vitoria, I can’t see why you think he is better than Howard. In alla ctuality, Tiago has been a humongous disapointment by all standards since people in America started becoming aware of him two years ago during his rather impressive showing in Japan: his offense has become even more potent, but his rebounding and block shot numbers are still way below where they should be, especially with a a 6’11 dude with quick reflexes like he does. I’ve seen him in about one or two games since Japan, but I don’t see any improvement in ANY area outside of offense. If he wants to keep being a great player, he may want to stay away from the NBA… he’s not MOBILE enough to play the forward spot, but his lack of rebounding and shot blocking is such a concern, people half his size on Tau are outrebounding him! What the hell! He may make it on the Spurs, but they’d cripple his style (he’s quite effective under the basket and playing with Duncan ensures he’d be fully dependent on his midrange jump shooting, which is solid, but far from what makes him useful).
    So, I don’t really think his game is suited for the NBA, unless he focuses on clamping down with rebounding and shot blocking, and not stupidly running around for that jump shot. He moves as graceful as Marc Gasol but is half the dude’s size.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    sorry, correcting myself: Tiago Splitter DID play in the worlds, and I mentioned it in my following paragraph. Meant to focus that to the olympic talk. Excuse me.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    You will never be convinced on how good is Tiago unless he plays SUCESFULLY in the NBA. Example: 2 of the top 5 best players to come out of Europe in the 00′s,Manu and Yasikevicious, are viewed quite differently in the states cause their game could not translate the same way there. Those two are at the same level in the world stage (this has been demonstrated repeteadly in the Euroleague and with their national teams). I do not need to see Tiago playing in the NBA to make my mind on his abilities, BUT i need to see him there to make my mind if he can actually be effective in the states. I will say it once again: my list DO NOT rank players on their performance in the NBA. For the NBA (especially the regular season) Dwight is top-3 easily.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Kostas: well, perhaps you should say “FIBA” and “NBA” and not “world.” World makes me think you’re taking into consideration both FIBA and the NBA, which admittantly are two different games: Tiago is far more effective than Howard in FIBA due to the fact that Tiago isnt’ depended upon to rebound and block shots (something which is beyond reason, but, whatever) so he can stray from midrange to right inside the three point line and knock down shots against centers who have trouble guarding him that high. It’s a great strategy.
    Once again though, Howard has played what, a total of 20 games in FIBA rules? Without a proper jump shot and effective cutting/post moves, Dwight would be clearly behind a step on offense (parking in the lane and the zone really makes him too turnover prone to hand him the ball). But defensively, with his mobility and strength and the ability to stand the hell still, Dwight could dominate European basketball on the defensive end… given enough time playing those rules.
    On the other hand, I can’t see Tiago doing too much in the NBA: he isn’t mobile enough to play the four so he’s forced to play the five, where I don’t think he rebounds or contests shots enough to be effective. The spurs are probably the best team for him cause he can run around the perimeter while Duncan holds things down low, but Duncan is also going to take that offense away from Tiago, and without his perfect offense, I don’t know.
    From what I’ve seen (it’s limited, mostly because of lack of interest due to lack of any steady improvement), he’s a good one-on-one defender but his help defense is freaking terrible.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    I expect more or less the same things with you from Tiago at the NBA.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Kostas, I mean, I think Tiago is great and all, but I remember two years ago people were talking about rapid improvements in this kid and talking about watching him become the next big thing… I haven’t seen that… any reason why? or am I just not looking hard enough?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    Number 6 is ok for him. He is over the other two Euro guys, Shaq got old,Howard just doesn’t know what to do with a ball in hisa hands except dunk. I cannot move him higher (until Yao officially retires) but at the same time the other guys are clearly under him. Never forget that this is just the opinion of a “biased Euro-white-greek m@therf..R (i am using my best Eboy impersonation possible) so who cares….

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Wasn’t really my question– if yer talkign FIBA ball, you are you correct in number six (or seven, since you have to push him down for Dirk)– I was asking if you think his growth as a player has been a bit slower than expected over the years.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    i think he has became what he could actually became but not some others exaggerated that he will became….i think is playing to his potential, a serious guy that has worked on his game.

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    @badnews actually the best of the best is in Vancouver b.c. (yay grizzlies, eh nevermind) May surly wont offer more then Frye did, dude will probably be fat and injured all year (again). Guess my bottomline is we dont need to give anyone big money right now, if we wanna keep what we have now, just need a (cheap) body to play power forward for a few minutes a night.

  • Bart

    @ Koufos, Amare would be on the bench on a Euroleague Team??? hahahahahaha I’d love to see that you really over value European players all the bruisers from America would tear them up. I’ll take a 20 and 10 guy with post moves over a jump shooting big man anyday

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    Most European basketball players who are great in Europe, dont do well in THE league. With an exception to a handful of them.

  • Bart

    That exception being Dirk and …….. Dirk

  • Bran

    @Jukai
    “America created basketball”

    Actually, Naismith invented basketball, and he was Canadian. Don’t give me “I meant America as in North America either”.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LMAO I remember when Kostas said Ginobli is one of the NBA’s Greatest 50.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    lol good job Bran.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    @Teddy….:i said he is top-50 in the World all-time, which is an even greater acomplisment. (With some kids i have to start reading courses…).

  • http://www.myspace.com/weezyleezy337 weezy f. leezy

    @ kostas amare wouldnt start in eurolegue because he dont play defense and cant bang against the big guys? name me 1 european big man that can play defense and “bang” period…ive never seen a european dude block a shot in the NBA…EVER! and yall are 7 foot small forwards! mid 90′s celtic dino radja is as tough as it gets i think.

    and im pretty sure boozer was 3rd string on the redeem team and still beastin yall

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    @weezy f.leezy….:thanks for mentioning the legendary Carlos Boozer(oops, this was supposed to be a Boozer post….), he is one of my favorites!!!! Only thing i can tell you is that i was in Spain at the period of the Olympics and everybody was praying for the time our lovely Carlos would enter the game(unfortunatelly Ksyzefski doesn’t have the brains of the average kid posting here)…when i was telling some older guys there that he is consdidered a very good player in the NBA they were shaking their heads….seriously, this guy being a potential all-star in the NBA just shows how low the level of the NBA big men has droped…Pekovic would have eaten him alive,E-A-S-I-L-Y(Pekovic who..????!!!)…..i repeat: whoever signs our little genious better get ready for a Ben Wallace situation in a couple of years….

  • http://www.myspace.com/weezyleezy337 weezy f. leezy

    @kostas bro i wasnt waiting for boozer to enter the game i was jus waiting for the next dwayne wade cherrypickin breakaway dunk..(boozer really didnt do shit)..en route to the US gold MEDAL!!! im still lovin that by the way …lol :) but umm whoever peko is bro..

    nba level of big men dropped??? not as long as shaq still reigns atop on the right hand of king james.. and yes d-12 got next in 2012. if nba big man level has dropped then why is gasol still the best pivot since sabonis?

  • http://www.myspace.com/weezyleezy337 weezy f. leezy

    peko who? must i repeat that if nba big men level has dropped…why is gasol the best overseas pivot since sabonis? and thats not sayin much bro.. :)

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    weezy f. leezy….is Russia considered “euro”? Because Andre Kirilenko has blocked a shot or two. As had Vlade Divac when he played….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ KOSTAS KOUFOS

    @Dacre….:don’t bother dear…check his 9:04 pm comment and you will understand that our little friend was propably unborn when Divac entered the league…yeap…”d-12 got next”!!!! and everybody around the world is happy about this!!!! (from Russell to Jabbaar, to Ewing to Shaq and now to ……D-12!?!?!?!!PERFECT!! Now,if only we could arrange for Kobe to miss the World’s next year….)

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    Divac was a really, really good center. I wouldnt put him up there with the greats though. Ginobli isnt even second best on his respective team… Drazen Petravic (sorry, spell check wont help me here) had a lot of potential, but sadly died young.

  • http://slamonline Blaze

    What do you call Ronald Murray and Vlade Divac together?????? Flip-Flop.

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