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Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm  |  198 responses

How Quickly We Forget

Uncertainties still surround The Answer.

by Adam Fleischer

Just a few summers back, this would have been unthinkable.

Allen Iverson, out of work and lacking any passionate suitors.

About a year ago, Iverson finished the ’07-08 season leading the Nuggets in scoring, assists, steals, and minutes per game while starting all 82 and helping Denver to a 50-32 record. During the Western Conference’s most competitive season in recent memory, he teamed with Melo to will the Nuggets to the playoffs. Yes, they were the 8-seed and abruptly swept by the Lakers, but it was a five-win improvement from the previous year (when they earned a 6-seed), and AI was out there on the court every night.

We knew he would be, though. Iverson’s inclination to suit up on a nightly basis—regardless of how beat up he is—has been well documented throughout his career. That’s why he doesn’t deserve this. And I don’t mean he doesn’t deserve this from a respect standpoint. I mean it from a basketball one.

It’s difficult to reconcile that title-contending and up and coming organizations alike don’t feel that Iverson would be an asset to their team next season. Or, if there are those that feel he could, they’re certainly slow and reluctant to show it. Media and fans have been quick to point to the many issues and perceived shortcomings that surrounded Iverson last year as some sort of indication that he’s done. Sure, players often fall off once they climb into their thirties, but not this fast when they’ve been this good.

But maybe the lack of off-season interest shouldn’t come as a surprise. The Answer has always been somewhat of a polarizing figure to all those ranging from teammates and coaches to the public and the league. That’s not to say he wasn’t loved by those four entities, too. It’s simply to state that AI has been toeing the line between an exalted and castigated superstar for his entire career. 1501021P GEORGETOWN V TX TECH

Iverson was a controversial figure from the moment he came on the national scene (outside of basketball circles) in 1993 as a talented young black athlete in trouble with the law and in the center of a legal battle with a racial backdrop. After a racially based brawl erupted at a local Virginia bowling alley, AI and three other black youths were arrested—the only ones detained, and a mere fraction of the many aggressors involved—and he and two others were sentenced to a ridiculous 15 years in prison, with 10 years suspended. A 17-year-old Allen ended up only serving a few months at a minimum-security work camp, and the decision was later overturned, but such a racially charged entrance into the national spotlight was a precursor to the type of fiery discourse that Iverson as a figure and player has sparked over the last decade plus.

At the time, I was too young to understand the issues surrounding the incident or to even be cognizant of its existence (what do you expect from a first grader?). But only a few years later, AI catapulted himself onto my radar and instantly became my favorite player. From what I remember, our relationship began with a Georgetown hat that I took from a friend’s house which in turn made me like the Hoyas. Once I had the hat, I watched the team’s superstar in awe. The way he played and his on-court style grabbed me. His fervor, focus on defense, tendency to weave his way towards the hole, and passing ability were only a few of the things that had me hooked.

Instantly, I wanted to be like him on the court. And I wasn’t the only one. There’s no one player, besides Kobe and MJ, who people my age grew up trying to model their games after more than AI. I loved his crossover, and I loved when he hit MJ with it. I loved his spats with Larry Brown, and I loved when they made up. I loved when he rocked size 11.5 Questions, and I loved when the later generation of the sneaker tiptoed over Tyronn Lue. Despite sporadic off-court troubles and criticisms from all sides, I felt like he could do no wrong. DNA054924022.jpg

People born some years earlier than I was didn’t always have the kindest thoughts about the young superstar, though. Scratch that. Opposite of my standpoint, when they thought of doing wrong, they thought of him. He didn’t pass enough. His baggy jeans, the ink on his arms, and the braids in his hair had no place in the game. He didn’t respect the older generation. He couldn’t be the face of the league—at least, not with the image that it looked to project.

That image is one of family-friendly athletes who could be readily marketed as the higher ups pleased. When you come in the league, you’re part of a multi-billion dollar corporation that has an image and a product to uphold, and if you don’t fit the mold, then they’ll airbrush your picture and change the rules so you can’t wear what you want.

But Iverson was, and is, in many ways, representative not of something that the league should be moving away from, but of something that it is sorely missing these days: honesty. From Iverson, you always get it straight. When he was at the podium for his now infamous “We talkin’ about practice!?” press conference, he was letting us in to how he felt. Maybe he was wrong, and maybe you didn’t agree with his sentiments, but at least he was sharing his true feelings. Isn’t that what we’re looking for from athletes when we ask them questions? Not for some easy to consume crap, but for the real thing? He wasn’t worried about always giving the politically correct answer. And when he did give it, it wasn’t for the sake of political correctness—it was because he believed what he was saying. You could just tell.

That’s something that hasn’t changed during his career. From his Rookie of the Year acceptance to a tearful press conference earlier this summer and everything in between, he gives you the real. His on-court game during that span has changed, but you gotta believe he’s still got it. He could still put up 20 per on playoff squad, but none seem to want to give him a shot. Or, possibly, it’s that he won’t give them one, stuck on looking for the sort of The Man role that, while marking his career, he’s now grown out of. But he’s not ready to stop playing, despite what he suggested some months ago. Not someone whose give and take with the game has been this meaningful.

There’s a chance I’m rejecting the current reality for the one of my youth, but I don’t think that’s the case. Much of what I’ve read, heard, and seen over the last few months regarding Iverson leaves me puzzled. It’s almost as if people have been waiting for his descent so they could use it as proof that he was never really as great as he was billed to be; so they could claim that his teams never made it over the hump not because of inferior talent around him, but because of him.

He claims that all he has ever wanted is to win. To me, it shows. It’s what he strives for—more than scoring titles, accolades, or endorsements. Has he always gone about that goal of winning in the right way? In hindsight, maybe not. Maybe he should have been quicker to meet his teammates and coaches halfway in disputes. Maybe he should have taken less shots after all. Maybe he should have done a lot of things. But it would be wrong of us to only think about him that way after what he’s given us.

Bring him onto a championship contender and he’ll help show that you need to “play every game like it’s your last,” like he has professed so many times. Bring him on a young squad and he’ll show the kids that it’s better to be yourself than something that the media, management, and the public want you to be. He’ll show Brandon Jennings that it’s more than alright to speak your mind. As one of the few with the platform to do so, you should take advantage.

He has brought a level of authenticity to the court and the mic (no, I’m not talking about “40 Bars”) that we would be remiss to quickly forget thanks to one sub-par season. Yet, here we are, two weeks into August and with just about every capable free agent off the market, but AI is still looking for a team. We may feel far removed now, but there was a decade when Iverson was one of, if not the, most exciting, fascinating, and entertaining player in the game. He’s no longer the MVP he was early in the decade, but he’s no schmuck either. 55993847EZ011_Milwaukee_Buc

So anyone hoping to diminish where Iverson’s been and what he’s done for the game in light of the where he and it seem to now be going, just remember: each time he hit the deck, he got right back up. As fans, we’ve all been better for it. And, as whichever team eventually extends their hand to pick him up will soon realize, don’t expect that to stop.

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  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    The step over Tyronn. Classic.

  • wilford brimley

    Iverson isn’t an efficient enough scorer to be the lead dog for a team anymore. His shooting percentage is far too low, and he doesn’t get to the free throw line anywhere near how much he used to. Compare his numbers to successful lead dog wing players of his era (MJ and Kobe) and you see that he is nowhere near as efficient. Now the question is whether AI himself is not efficient enough, or whether he had to play such an inefficient style because he did not have talent around him. I think it’s pretty clear that AI has NEVER played with even a solid supporting cast. So I think the combination of these two factors explains the lack of team success (only 1 season did AI taste any real success)

    As far as playing a secondary role, it remains to be seen whether or not Iverson can embrace such a position. He seemed to take on that role in Denver, but the team played poorly. I would throw out the Detroit experiment simply because everyone knew the Pistons were giving up on the season.

    Iverson will go down as a hall-of-famer, a great scorer. I don’t know that he will go down as a winner. But remember that winning is about the team, not just the individual.

  • andrew

    I think Philly should bring him back as their starting point. Iguodala is capable enough of initiating the offense to get the ball out of AI’s hands every now and again and it would be fitting to see him come back to Philly and win

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    Great article. That 2008 season was actually one of his best, and incredibly underated due to all the other stories of that year and that sheer competiveness of the West (the fact they won 5 more games but went down two seeds is amazing)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Word.

  • Jarrod

    HAHA is that mark madsen in the second picture?

  • James

    wtf i actually like 40 bars….the beat is crazy and AI’s lyrics aren’t half-bad. AI will always be important in my life cuz he brought the hood to the NBA and kept it all the way real. hope he finds a team

  • danny

    I love how the author just talks about a.i.’s influence on pop culture. WHo the hell cares?? nba gms sure dont. To get those 25-30 pts a game he jacks up around 25-30 shots. Even last year, 14 shots to get to 17pts?? that is downright pathetic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    “About a year ago, Iverson finished the ‘07-08 season leading the Nuggets in scoring, assists, steals, and minutes per game while starting all 82 and helping Denver to a 50-32 record. During the Western Conference’s most competitive season in recent memory, he teamed with Melo to will the Nuggets to the playoffs. Yes, they were the 8-seed and abruptly swept by the Lakers, but it was a five-win improvement from the previous year (when they earned a 6-seed), and AI was out there on the court every night.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yup, that sounds like his influence on pop culture.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    (Starts slow hand clap)

  • cramzy

    I really hopes he can swallow some pride, take the 1 yr, 2millie in Miami,come off the bench and get his name and rep back at least. He won’t start, but he’ll damn sho finish. He can’t go out like this tho’.

  • cramzy

    I really hope he can swallow some pride, take the 1 yr, 2millie in Miami,come off the bench and get his name and rep back at least. He won’t start, but he’ll damn sho finish. He can’t go out like this tho’.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Thanks for linking that SI article. It was good to look back.
    I’ve mentioned the impact that Iverson has had on the game many times before, but cats don’t want to hear it. They really don’t.
    Danny
    if you take 17 shots and shoot 50 percent, how many points do you score a game?
    I really, really there was a requirement that people think before they speak, but there is not.
    Freaking idiots.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Danny
    My bad, 14 shots.
    Half of 14 is 7. If you make seven shots a game, you score 14 points a game.
    So, taking 14 shots to get 17 points is not ridiculous, it’s damn near normal. Actually do the math before you open your mouth.

  • rob stewart

    I’d love to see A.I. in South Beach. But it would hurt my mind and heart to see him backing up Mario Chalmers. Hopefully he’ll sign on with someone before training camp, but knowing A.I. it might be his plan/excuse to avoid training camp by waiting to sign.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sesa.opas Sesa

    Don’t you think Tyronn Lue falls to irrelevancy is faster than Iverson? Lol.

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  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    Danny, I actually don’t feel that I touched much on his pop culture influence. I talked about how he influenced me personally, but not really pop culture/NBA culture as a whole. That could make for an entirely different, long piece, though.

  • rob stewart

    And I even spotted J.R. Rider standing behind A.I. in a black suit. Can you believe Rider can accurately say he won a championship ring with Shaq and Kobe!! WOW!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sesa.opas Sesa

    If you want honesty, you got Stephon Marbury. If you want the NOT politically answer you got T-Mac. The only thing that keeping Iverson gets another job is his refusal to play within the Piston’s system last season, that’s it. It’s a Dejá Vu of Latrell Sprewell

  • lulsy

    brimley:

    how did denver “play poorly”? they won 50 games despite losing both nene and atkins (projected starters) to injury for the entire year. and no birdman, or jones either.

    and iverson’s FG% soared in denver.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    That system had like 15 guys saying they had a better system though, not just Iverson, not including the coach, not including the media or any of us armchair GMs. Granted nice to see as assessment again in the vein of your experience with the player, watching him, believing in what he can do, rather than grab at straws and use “facts” such as the “why aren’t other teams/GM’s rushing out to grab him,” as the basis behind your arguments, the anchor too holding it down. But hold it down in one spot and the rest of the world passes you by. There could be the snowball effect or old boys club and one opinion prevailing above all and making the rounds just because this respected GM said it. Rather than as a fan, questioning the business model of these teams when they openly state we’ll just do it to bring in ticket sales, never get an opinion from Iverson or the press attempting to contact him and dispute it openly, saying why would he be a sideshow for their circus? Or as a fan ask and compile your opinion on why he’s more than one archetype/dimensional in a veteran, and plenty good enough for any of the diluted talent pool of 30 teams in the league. Houston can still rebound right, all those role players with a chip on their shoulder… otherwise they’re avg-ing 70 PPG.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    ^ my begin. response was to Sesa about Detroit. Was slow on the post up. Good post too lulsy, that was before G.Karl (and thus Melo, on down the roster) believed in defense besides Camby, back when they thought the only missing piece was the SG – (long gone Vashon Lenard?), and in such a stacked West, they faced Defensive powerhouse SA then the Lakers in those two playoffs consecutively. It wasn’t all Billups = team defense. It was even reported as such with the training camp-coach Karl during the season interviews.

  • rob stewart

    @Blinguo. I never thought about him in Houston but that sounds like a great idea, especially just for one trial year. Maybe they can even trade T-Mac for a future pick

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    GREAT ARTICLE.
    Also, are those Spider-man sleeves AI is wearing in the third pic?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wtf Danny, 14 shots to score 17 is a GOOD FG percentage. That’s like when knock knock said Iverson had to take 20 shots to score 30…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I liked 40 bars, too, James.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Man the Questions and the Answers were some nice @ss kicks.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    I like this article for pointing out one great fact about A.I. — his total honesty. I remember reading all those interviews with him in SLAM and it was always refreshing to hear an athlete just be straight-up, without any of that media-trained double-talk. Like that last interview with him when he’d just been traded to Detroit — he was candid as hell, and you could see how thoughtful he really was. He isn’t the thug or clown that some commentors here make him out to be — he’s aware of who he is and what he brought to the game, and whether people like it or not, he isn’t going to change it for anyone. Love him or hate him, he doesn’t care. He’s true to himself and his beliefs and that’s all that matters. I gotta respect a man who thinks that way.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    It’s not actually Detroit that hurt Iverson’s stock guys. It was Iverson’s openly quitting on the team and saying “Nah I’m not gonna come off the bench. Oh, look, back problems” that is keeping him from every GM in the planet.
    When the guy known for his refusal to give up suddenly gives up in a system he doesn’t like, that says something immense about that player.
    That being said, I have no idea why fringe contender teams (Utah, San Antonio, Phoenix, New Orleans, Phili, Chicago) don’t take a chance on Iverson.
    He’s not worth much money.
    Pay him three million, if he doesn’t do what you want him to do, send him on an early vacation. It’s that simple. It’s a low monetary, high reward risk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I would tell you how I really feel about Allen Iverson, but if I cant have the first comment and do it the way I want to, then Im not going to at all. Besides, my back hurts.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    That back problems thing isn’t any different than Kevin Garnett finally bowing out in Minnesota when they weren’t going anywhere, to the tune of the owner saying ‘why didn’t he play-the bum-when we had young guys who still wanted to play!’ ignoring the young guys get more time if he didn’t play the final 5 or so games left there. Or Nick Van Exel b*tching out in Golden State in a pout ‘generic injury’ fest after being the clutch playoff (Ben Gordon last season) like player in Dallas only months removed. The GM’s and owners do think he’s worth the money, its just the market value of what his agent is fighting for isn’t much currently. Rearrange those words Jukai. He won’t cost much money, even in these stringent times.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Heh that is Teddy, Carmelo got the Spider web on his actual elbow inked, probably because of the more strict rules on those arm sleeves – “medical reason only,” sure isn’t the NFL but a bigger no fun league sometimes.

  • Joe

    Nice article. I enjoyed it. But, I’ve just gotta say (and this is me being honest, too) that I wouldn’t want Iverson anywhere near my hometown team from a basketball standpoint.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    i don’t feel sorry for AI at all. he’s not at a point in his career where he can be the first option of a serious playoffs team. HOWEVER, he has openly said that he refuses to come off the bench or take a reduced role in the offense. my way or the high way works when you’re 2001 AI and destroying the league. GMs will make teammates fit around 2001 AI. 2009 AI? How many serious teams would benefit right now from AI playing 30+ minutes and taking 20 shots? (Because those are the conditions that have to be met to make him appy) I can only think of Charlotte (and it’s debatable how serious they are, sorry BET!)

  • juicemane

    THE LEAGUE IS FULL OF LIARS,PHONIES,& FAKES(EXCLUDING ARTEST & STEPHEN JACKSON) A.I. IS THE REALEST THAT HAS EVER DONE IT & NEVER SOLD OUT. IF YOU CANT ADMIRE & RESPECT THAT, WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR THEN??

  • danny

    You think A.i. is an efficient scorer??? more to you then. The reason he loses though, is because he is enifficient. That and his no defense.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on with the AI bashing.
    AI has been the focal point of the offence pretty much his entire life, being the guy with the ball in his hands every play. The 76ers constructed every team he played on around him, carrying the ball almost from day one. Nobody lambasts a career roleplayer when they’re expected to step up to be lead scorer at 33 and can’t, do they?

  • chintao

    I’m surprised that Myles can type with Kobe’s ball$ on his nose.

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    ^

    Gay

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    If he could somehow join the phoenix suns… imagine AI in his true 2guard spot…getting 22 ppg?!!?
    Detroit should resign him, then consider a trade: AI and Chris Wilcox for Jason Richardson and Robin Lopez, (to phoenix). Or something similar, we’ll take Jason Maxiell even?!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    juicemane Posted: Aug.11 at 10:39 pm
    THE LEAGUE IS FULL OF LIARS,PHONIES,& FAKES(EXCLUDING ARTEST & STEPHEN JACKSON) A.I. IS THE REALEST THAT HAS EVER DONE IT & NEVER SOLD OUT. IF YOU CANT ADMIRE & RESPECT THAT, WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR THEN??
    ___
    I stand for pregnant women on trains and buses.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Z: Saying Iverson could be useful for only one team is RIDICULOUS. He could be useful for ANY team. It just depends what role he wants to take. I have a feel he’s willing to give in more than he’s sayin– I guess it all depends on who wants to take a chance on who blinks first.

  • http://yahoo.com Logues

    that pic from the finals is classic mark madsen from the sideline

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    juks, that’s exactly my point. with the role that he’s clinging on, he’s useful to almost nobody. as a dynamite off the bench scorer (a billionaire’s man nate robinson), he’d be useful to almost EVERY TEAM.

  • boris

    a.i. had his chance with a title contender last season with the pistons. he blew it because he was selfish and refused to buy into the offense because it didn’t revolve wholly around him. let the crybaby go to europe.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign juicemane.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Although, that was a little exaggerated lol. Not EVERYBODY in the league is a phony.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    But the thing I respect most about Allen Iverson, beyond the honesty, is his gametime effort. He has always given every game his all, playing with 120% effort and intensity. That’s what I admire most.
    For some reason, similar things can often be said about the realest, toughest, most honest basketball players.

  • http://antwonomous.blogspot.com Antwonomous

    “My slang bang when you need it…”

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    WAYNO Where the hate at. Everything in this article is preety much true. A.I. can still ball just Detroit was a bad fit with bad coaching who never knew how to use one of the greatest players ever.

  • http://slamonline.com negetivekreep

    Not soo quick to Co-Sign Juiceman.

    Iverson is an NBA legend. He’s Someone who’s battled the odds and come out on top,Despite the cards he was dealt. Only to rise higher. And Despite his size, he’s been a beast among the bigger, stronger, elite of the NBA for 10 years straight. He is a fighter in both life, and Basketball. He’s got a heart like Ali had. And just as much skill. Thats real. Yeah he’s RAW too, and people from the niehgborhood can relate to that, as A type of honesty as well as his personality,appearance,& swagger. But dont get it twisted, His accomplisments are what define him, and make him real.I reject the idea that Having tattos,cornrows,and a rugged persona makes you ‘the realist’ just as much as i reject the idea that having them makes you a thug and less of an intelectual. But clearly, that is the theme in juices top 3 ‘most realist’ list. Those of us that come from the the inner city and are old enough to have made it out, or past the usual traps of a low income environment, have bettered ourselves and evolved, past the self imprisoning stereotypes that plaige every race in the ghetto. To a place were You dont have to have cornrows, Tats, & own a rap lable to be ‘black’. Or fit the mold to be ‘real’. That mentallity is tired ass hell. MLK’s dreams have (largely) been realized, Just look at Obama. Is his story un-real? or Fake? look, im rambling now, but I’ve just seen too many gifted men of varying backround and circumstance to co-sign that B.S.
    What about Guys like Russell that made it possible for young black men to be superstars/coaches/icons in the leaug?, And get paid rediculouse$$$ while doing it? These guys carried the burden, had to avoid controversy and scandle and suffered hatred and predjudice no matter what they did. But they walked the line and wrote history.Thats Real. Now tell me Is Ron Artest or, Stephen Jackson more ‘real’ than Russell, or the BIG O? Dr J or Magic?
    Keep it real.

  • http://slamonline.com negetivekreep

    thats what i stand for….
    That and bad spelling.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ kreep: I see what you mean, but at the same time the cornrows and the rap are part of a certain culture (both good and bad. I love the good aspect of it, h@te the bad, as I’m sure you do). What makes Iverson stand out is that he’s not ashamed to promote this culture, a culture that partly defines who HE is. It’s not about him being real because of fact that he has (had) cornrows, but the fact that he wasn’t afraid about how other people would judge him. We all know that inner-city, minority culture is often looked at with a sort of awkward, deep down fear or with a prejudiced eye or whatnot by many people. For the kids who do sport this type of look, persona, and culture, Iverson made it OKAY and ACCEPTABLE. This, in a league that at one point (and even still) wanted to put everyone in business suits and ties and hide the image of all its star players behind a phony, PR-friendly filter. By doing this, he brought a certain type of individuality to the league. That’s one of the reasons why we the fans say he kept it real.

  • ngoiekafita

    Dude has the biggest heart out there.
    I remember the days i asked my mom to buy me a gray or black (cheap) bball shorts and shirts that were too baggy.
    Living in Europe some kids just didn’t get it.
    My crossover was too flashy, my shorts hung too low, my dome was too fresh.
    But still after all those years I’ll ask my girl to go to the store ‘n cop me the same ish!
    That’s how real this dude made me fall in love with the game!
    And that’s why he’s my answer on the biggest question i had then: crime or ball?
    And whenever i see AI cross a new fool up i remember…

  • rikson

    Quote: “Dude has the biggest heart out there.
    I remember the days i asked my mom to buy me a gray or black (cheap) bball shorts and shirts that were too baggy.
    Living in Europe some kids just didn’t get it.
    My crossover was too flashy, my shorts hung too low, my dome was too fresh.
    But still after all those years I’ll ask my girl to go to the store ‘n cop me the same ish!
    That’s how real this dude made me fall in love with the game!” -> Perfect example. Dude, you dont love the game – you love the style… Guess what: Those stylers never can play!

  • rikson

    “Saying Iverson could be useful for only one team is RIDICULOUS. He could be useful for ANY team. It just depends what role he wants to take.” -> Why do you guys still think AI would accept a small role? I mean, he has proven otherwise… OH – I forgot it wasnt his fault, its always the team. Just like it was in 2001… OH im wrong again – THAT was all AIs accomplishment…

  • rikson

    you get my point- dont you?!

  • 6marjon

    good article i’ve never been a fan of his game but do respect him for playing every game, any young buck should learn that about the game asap

  • Sam3

    If he couldn’t find a team in this summer, I would be VERY disappointed…

    I couldn’t agree more about this article.

    Go AI, if you forced to be retired, you will still be a hall of fame, not any of those pistons gang though i love them as well.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I can’t talk about this anymore.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Call me crazy, but I’d like to see AI in San Antonio, backing up TP and running with Manu and RJ. If Ivey can back off his desire to start, he’d be a great, great addition to that squad. And with a healthy Timmy and Tony, and the discipline of Pop, the Lakers would be in deep doo doo.

  • Hussman25

    Nice article Adam; nice read from a fans prospective. Being from philly and witnessing the “A.I. Renaissance” I truly believe that while his greatess asset in his game was his domination on a particular play or how his play can dictate a game. Unfortunately, it’s the same style that has cursed his game now too… Now as A.I sits in the NBA version of “Dante’s Inferno” which level of purgatory do you believe he is sitting in…

    I would have never imagined this to happen to such a great player and is “almost” a sin. While he does deserve better than this, it’s almost his just due… Granted… while the man is hella talented, but he has never once been put in his place by any official in the capacity to disipline him… the fight in V.A., the clemency granted, Coach Thompson gives him the Keys to the program, the coaching turnover in Philly his first few years, the larry borwn era, the practice rant, the exile (prior to trade from philly), the trade to denver, the next trade to tha d, and now this…

    All I know is his career now reminds or a meteor and if this is his final decent, will the landing be soft and unnoticed or hard and Catastrophic to both his fans and to the man himself??? Save face A.I. and just walk away…

  • LeoneL

    ^ And Mr. Iverson would have his ring at last.

  • LeoneL

    And that’s a response to Cheryl’s comment.

  • jdote

    SLAM does it again. Another great Iverson article that represents how every AI fan feels. I mean Vince quits in toronto.. he gets a shot to play with dwight howard… ron artest goes crazy.. he gets to play with houston/la… shaq basically has the same effect on pho that ai had on detroit (title contendor suddenly struggling to make the playoffs). even some questioned if he was fakin injuries in his last season in MIA. shaq gets to play with lebron. but ai..thats why it just seems wrong how the media has played him…esp in detroit.. every week there’s an article basically blastin the dude..ai deserves a shot.. i dont care

  • jdote

    a couple more things..regarding his inefficiencies which i kno are there.
    1) shooting percentages… look at who ai played with throughout his career..not necessarily just that he didnt get to play with legit second options.. but he played terrible shooters.which equates to awful spacing… even so… u look at kobe’s shooting numbers his first couple years without shaq.. as a true number one option.. or t macs.. or gilbert arenas’s and they are eerily similar..
    2) defense.. ai is an awful defender these days no denying that.. but dont tell me during the larry brown era that he didn’t play d…
    3) lastly.. as hard as it is to play with ai.. a lot of players just dont mesh perfectly.. shaq and amare werent a great fit.. kobe and caron… id even argue kobe and lamar.. ron and tmac.. vince and rj..can ai as a perimeter player just have a great big… to dump it down to every once in awhile…

  • Bishop1405

    Cheryl as i was scrolling down the comments preparing to write something I was thinking the same thing….To me it makes perfect sense.

  • rob stewart

    @jdote – good observations. Has A.I. ever played with another guard that could help create good spacing? Eric Snow, Kevin Ollie, Willie Green, and Anthony Carter aren’t exactly good shooters that demand a defender to stay on them tightly. Any coach would feel comfortable double/triple teaming off of these guys in order to distract Iverson. With that being said Iverson still needs to change his attitude. He is at a new stage in his life. I equate this to a married man. Even if you have the game/ability to score with other women there comes a time when you sacrifice those abilities for your team/family success. Just ask Pitino.

  • http://slamonline.com Adam Fleischer

    Cheryl, I like the sound of the AI to the Spurs propsal. As a Celtics fan, I don’t like it because the Spurs are already loaded, but as an AI fan, I’d love to see him get a shot at a title. He could be a nice fit if he was ok with the role, given the depth of the team. Don’t see the move actually happening, though.

  • 6marjon

    you actually think AI would swallow his pride and come off the bench but to be fair I think Pop would be the best coach for him, he wouldn’t take any crap, I hope he doesn’t go though

  • http://www.facebook.com mat smith

    he should play 2 guard for the Mavs, he could switch with JKidd on defence, when its time to defend the faster PG’s he would be a good fit in Dallas.

  • tavoris

    how can anyone on this site claim that AI won’t accept a role? Ever since he’s been in the NBA (except the debacle of detroit last year) he’s tried HIS BEST to make his teammates better. Maybe (and part of Adam’s point in this article) it wasn’t the best way, but dude tried. It was LARRY BROWN’s idea to move him off the point-not Iverson’s. And to the effect, he DID change his game for the betterment of the team. A player who is considered selfish doesn’t have SOOOOOO many players who loved playing with him. As I stated before, Rip & Stuckey are the only two players in his whole career that clashed with AI (and keep in mind that Rip clashed with MJ in Washington too).

    One doesn’t need to be a fanboy or a hater to realize that the media’s memory is incredibly short sighted when it comes to an athlete’s legacy.

    Alot of people harp about his shooting percentages, while failing to realize that 1)save for last season, he strung together the four most efficient seasons of his whole career), 2)he’s only had ONE teammate in his whole career who could handle the scoring burden (Anthony). His contemporaries (Kobe, T-Mac, Carter, Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett) have all had better shooters, passers, and scorers at their disposal for more than 18 months.

    Give the dude a break…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I wonder what some cats have to do to earn the benefit of the doubt.
    Iverson has never faked an injury. Ever. He has no history of using fake injuries to hold team’s hostage.
    Yet, a writer in Detroit speculates that Iverson must be faking because none of the team doctors can find anything wrong with his back. He doesn’t have any proof that Iverson is faking, he just has a gut feeling and anonymous sources.
    That is enough to convince intelligent people (Looking at you Myles) that Iverson is faking his injury so he won’t have to come off the bench. This despite the fact that when asked by a reporter, Iverson says he will come off the bench. He doesn’t seem enthusiastic, but he still says this.
    So, despite Iverson’s history, despite the fact that back problems are notoriously difficult for doctors to diagnose through MRI or Xrays, and despite what Iverson has already said, we have intelligent people assuming that he is a malingering liar. And that he’s unwilling to be the second option on a team, despite the fact that he’s said numerous times that he doesn’t mind being the second option he just doesn’t want to ride anybody’s coattails to a championship.
    What it appears to me is that people have already made up their minds about who Iverson really is, and they filter information through their own prejudices. They already know what Iverson stands for, so it’s easy for them to convince themselves of the worst.
    That’s a damn shame because many of these same folks would have a problem if that criteria was used to examine their favorite players.
    End of rant.

  • rikson

    What about McKey? He had like 5 assist per game in 2001! And you know, that at least on 3 of them the ball went to AI…

  • CASHVILLE

    I think Philly is a pretty good fit especially with Brand coming back healthy and the other AI playing at an All Star level now. The east is stacked so they prolly could get a 5th or 6th seed but nothing near a Larry O’Brien. Miami doesn’t sound bad neither. Ironically, in his 30′s he could add even more youth to that Spurs roster.

  • tavoris

    nice mention of the ols SI article Adam…being from the Hampton Roads area myself, I vividly remember how ridiculous the bowling alley incident was. The video of the brawl (if you want to call it that) showed Iverson trying to BREAK UP the fight. Every black kid in the area (especially if he/she was an athlete-like me) got a huge awakening (even more so when Hampton’s not-so-subtle racism was brought to light by HBO in “America Undercover: Death by Hanging”). This blatant in justice was the ONLY reason Wilder pardoned Iverson. Anyone who thinks he was given “favor” should do the research before posting their ridiculous comments.

  • tavoris

    rikson…McKie had ONE good season in his whole career. Deservedly so, but it can hardly qualify him as a good passer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rickson
    His name is McKie. and he also averaged 12 or 13 points per game during that season. In fact, nobody on that sixers team averaged more than 15 points per game that year.
    And besides his 30+ points, Iverson also got 4.5 assists and roughly 4 rebounds, along with he steals mentioned earlier.
    Just so y’all know.

  • tavoris

    Allenp..u r free to rant whenever u want. it’s always informative and objective anyway.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I didnt need much convincing that he was faking. When they stopped in Minnesota in the middle of last season, I asked him a series of questions about his future and he was quite open with the fact that he was not willing to come off the bench, change his game or make any significant sacrifices and that he was looking forward to going somewhere he could be himself.

    So when he subsequently balks at coming off the bench and develops a back injury that Detroits team doctors couldnt find then the writing is all over the wall. What sealed it is that he had to go to Georgetown of all places to find a doctor who could agree with his diagnosis. Theyd have said he had AIDS if he wanted them to.

    This cant take away from what hes done in the past, the man was a warrior on the court. But it does add to his other legacy of being a stubborn jackass.

  • tavoris

    Myles…even if-worst case scenario-AI mailed in his season last year, was he the only one? The detroit situation was NEVER gonna work-regardless of how we would like to think otherwise. The team had it’s head chopped off 3 games into the season, and most of the team was LIVID that Billups was gone. AI was blamed for their demise literally before he even arrived.

  • tavoris

    and is it not at least plausible that the Denver team doctors had George Karl in their ear-he of the throw-every-departing-player-under-the-bud fame.

  • jdote

    @cashville.. I think AI is a great fit right now too. I thought they’d atleast consider it, seeing how much AI did during his time their, and their current state of limbo. But I guess they like the unstoppable duo of Jrue Holiday and Lou Williams to start at point guard.. and Willie Green at the 2…. And u can call him stubborn… but didn’t rip initially say that he wouldn’t come off the bench.”thats not an option”. which even after rending it ineffective.. led to more of the small ball line up by curry.. he didn’t get ripped by the media at all for that becuz eventually he came off the bench.. then when the team lost its 7th straight game to noh.. rip again said.. im startin cuz i became a bench player to win.. and we’re losin…rip also didn’t talk to m.curry during the later half of the season cuz of his brief benching. so how are his actions deserving of less scrutiny than ai’s..there was a point where ai actually did come off the bench.. obviously less publicized.. there was a point in which he said the right things to the media and helped the pistons defeat the sixers.. but the following games he played only 18 min per… its one thing to come off the bench.. its another thing to be an 8th man.. especially for ai… a dude so used to playin 40 plus a nite… secondly.. true he went to G town.. maybe it was a calculated move.. but its similar to TMAC goin to Chicago, then Nyc last season bypassing hou doctors.. which led to him announcing season ending surgery.. if you look thru the other end of the spectrum… if det doctors aren’t diagnosing him with a problem… but he has a problem.. shouldnt he get a second opinion at a place he feels comfortable.. lastly… significant sacrificies.. ai attempted 14 shots a game last yr. u realize ai and 14 shots doesn’t even look right together. ai can’t be a stand still jump shooter.. he can’t help but try to cross someone up and get to the whole.. he is who he is.. but he can try not to demand the ball.. u kno how many times ai shot more than 20 times in as a piston..seven… out of 56 games.. for a volume shooter.. who has to jack up 25-30 shots a game.. thats gotta be considered somewhat of a sacrifice right?

  • jdote

    my bad for the u can callo him stubborn line.. that part was @ myles

  • knock knock

    Hate how everyone calls this guy a warrior. The excuses they come up with is that he goes to every game to collect his paycheck. Of course, he shoulda went to more practices when he’s not gettin paid. Whatta joke.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Tavoris: I actually live in the Hampton Roads area…i’m in Va Beach. Where you at?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    I think the idea that Iverson didn’t change his game in Detroit is a myth. I think if you watch game film of how he played, he did try to change his game, particularly early on. He got criticized for not performing up to standards, and he then he fell back on his old line of “I just gotta do me.”
    I can’t argue that Iverson isn’t stubborn. It’s obvious he’s stubborn with a whole bunch of other assorted character flaws.
    My problem with what you’re saying is that you know that back injuries are hard to diagnose. You may not know this, but throughout the season Iverson battled some sort of left knee ailment that was a holdover from Denver. So, if he had a knee injury, I can see how overcompensating for that could affect his back. And that’s not even accounting for all the minutes and games he’s played.
    Nobody in that Detroit backcout wanted to come of the bench. Rip, Stuckey and Iverson all complained or sulked about it. I can see saying that Iverson had a bad attitude, but then making the leap of faith that he was faking an injury, one of the most serious accusations you can lob at an athlete, seems unfair given his past history.
    When he was in Philly and he was forced to come off the bench after an injury he sulked, but he didn’t pretend that his injury was worse to force the team to change their minds. He has NO history of faking injuries. When people are willing to assume the worst about someone with no concrete evidence, I find that troubling.
    I think you would feel the same way if the name of the player we are discussing began in a “K” and ended in an “E.”
    I don’t care if folks blast him for sulking, or not playing defense, or shooting a lot. Those are legitimate complaints. But, these other stuff is not legitimate in my eyes.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    CO-SIGN ALLENP. AND THAT’S THE TRIPLE TRUTH, RUTH.

  • danny

    allen, unless your last name is iverson, i dunno how you can say a.i. didn’t fake his injury. HOW DO YOU KNOW!? especially when he was demoted to 6th man, not long after his injury bug comes up. He’s perfectly fine now, with a good back. “Georgetown said so” LOSER

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay, first of all, part of the reason why the Pistons sucked last season was because of Dumars and Curry. They should take the brunt of the blame. Dumars was an idiot for letting B. Wallace walk a few years back, and then he also added Antonio McDyess in addition to Chauncey Billups in that Iverson trade. You guys don’t understand how important Antonio McDyess was to the Pistons… He really was their only low-post threat (Sheed hasn’t played down low for a long time). Its true that McDyess came back later, but during the stretch that the Pistons were struggling and blaming Iverson as a starter, he was absent. He basically gave up all his low post players to play Kwame Brown and Jason Maxiell.
    Here’s where coach Curry comes in. During this exact period of absence, mastermind Curry decided to start all three guards: IVerson, Stuckey, and Hamilton. A THREE GUARD BACKCOURT, when their ONLY POST PRESENCE was gone! No wonder their defense sucked. No wonder the Pistons were losing.
    Add to the fact that they made Iverson, THEIR BEST PLAYER adjust to an old system that clearly was NOT working, well, you should get the picture.

  • rob stewart

    @AllenP
    Iverson is my most favorite player currently in the league. I have followed him closely since his Goergetown days. I always try my best to give him the benefit of the doubt. But if I had to put money on it I would surely say he could have finished out the season playing if he really wanted to. Iverson never said it was his back alone that kept him out. He said it was his back along with spuradic (coming off the bench) playing time. The proof is in the pudding.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    That’s why I say Joe Dumars needs to be called on his sh!t, because he’s definitely slipping. Putting Iverson under the bus and then firing Curry really was just him hiding behind his d@mn scapegoats. And now Dumars signs B. Gordon? When this triangle of starting-caliber guards doesn’t work (seem familiar?), look for Joe to shop Hamilton and make it seem like it was all Rich’s fault. Or Gordon.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Gordon’s***

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    “Im not in a position to confirm or deny any accusations. Im just saying that a when a man who has made a name for himself playing through far worse and has gone on the record a number of times in the past saying that he would retire before taking a secondary role has to go to his own alma matter to find a doctor that can diagnose a back ailment that no one else saw, then the subsequent suspicion isnt without foundation. After thirteen years of braving a litany of injuries, he’s earned the benefit of the doubt, but that sh*t wont last very long. And it shouldnt. Because over the past thirteen years, hes also exhibited numerous instances of stubborn and self serving/self righteous behavior”

    I said that back in March. I still believe it.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    The Pistons could have been a great team if they let Iverson play like Iverson. They wanted to play Chauncey ball with Iverson. But if they let A.I. take around 18 shots he could have put up around 25ppg once he got into rythym. There were some games where A.I. did this and the Pistons beat the Lakers and the Cavs when they let a.i. loose. But wherever he goes he will probably prove alot of people wrong. The only reason A.I. aint signed is because Dumars and Curry gave him a bad rep.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    “At this point in my career, I’m not going nowhere where they don’t play my style. And I’ve got the opportunity to go where I wanna go. It’s my choice, so why would I go somewhere where they don’t play my style and I’m not gonna be utillized? I feel like I’m still effective in this game and I can be if you put the ball in my hands, so obviously I’m gonna go somewhere where they want me to play like Allen Iverson, cause I can’t play like nobody else. “

    He told me that in JANUARY. Tell me that doesnt sound like a man ready to give up.

  • http://slamonline Negetivekreep

    Yeah thats why i’ve been saying the same thing about Rip’s future in detroit. As it stands, they’re too 1 dimentional, They’re overloaded on smaller offense, weak on big defense/ low post scoring. Kinda reminds me of the lakers pre Gasol, Kwame brown @ center, Odom,Vlad-rad. (pf) Walton (sf). Somethings gotta give with this team they need a BIG big & Rips the best trade bait they have.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    It sounds like a man resigned to his faith and ready to make a better decision in the future. Those comments came after sitting in the Detroit locker room and realizing that he was being blamed for the team’s failure and that all of the other players appeared to dislike him a lot. At least that’s what it seemed like to me. Those comments came after Curry decided that despite the fact that Iverson has NEVER been a traditional point, he was going to ask him to play like one in order to replace Billups. This was after Curry decided that forcing the Pistons to play slow down basketball was the best way to utilize their current talent level. This was after Iverson realized that Detroit was not a great situation.
    Iverson came back from injury. People complained that he was faking, he said he was not, but he came back and played. He then complained about only getting 17 MINUTES in a game, and Joe Dumars told him to shut it down for the rest of the season.
    Seems like folks forget this part of the story.
    My take:
    I think Iverson was hurting. I think he wondered if it was worth it to suck up the pain and play when the team and fans were turning against him. I think he felt betrayed in a way by Dumars and he was wondering if he should just rest and try to get ready for free agency. I think ultimately he go tired of peopple saying he was “faking” and decided to suit up. He was still pissed and it boiled over.
    Myles, I think it’s ludricrous to challenge the credibility of the doctors at Georgetown, but accept the impartiality of the Detroit team doctors. As a journalist, you know there have been countless instances where team doctors have done a poor job of diagnosing injuries and you know their loyalities are not to the individuals players. I will reference Grant Hill’s comments about the team doctors in Orlando and their failure to provide him with adequate care. I will also reference the actions of the team doctors in Portland who deemed Darius Miles unable to play basketball, only to see him suit up for Memphis later that year and play fairly well. So, I don’t think it’s strange that Iverson went to doctors he trusted, although I’ll admit it looks somewhat fishy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Danny
    You missed the point. Point to a comment where I said I knew definitively that Iverson WAS NOT faking.
    I never said that. I said given his past history, I don’t understand why everybody has taken the fact that he was faking as gospel despite the fact that there is no PROOF that this is true. You have one news report based on hunches and anonymous sources, and you have Reggie Miller’s opinion.
    It’s amazing what people are wiling accept as proof when it validates their opinions. And I’m not saying I am never guilty of this, but I think I have less of a problem than others.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    * should have said “resigned to his fate.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Allen, just curious about something…If he was coming back from an injury, isn’t it relatively normal to play reduced minutes? He played 17 minutes in his first game back after an injury. It’s totally normal to do that for player who are injured. On this issue though I tend to think that while AI wasn’t “faking” per se, I don’t think his injury was severe enough for him to be sitting. If it were severe enough for him to sit, his reduced minutes upon returning shouldn’t have been a big deal.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    “So, I don’t think it’s strange that Iverson went to doctors he trusted, although I’ll admit it looks somewhat fishy.”

    Exactly. It looks fishy because he went to doctors he trusted….to give him the diagnosis he was looking for. Which lends credence to the idea that he was faking.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ***sigh***
    I’m not rehashing or debating who is to blame or who was blamed in Detroit last year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    It looked fishy the same way it looks fishy every time Kobe compliments or hugs a teammate.
    Because I see the world through two prisms, the one I actually have, and the one I assume others have.
    So, I figured that if folks were already thinking Iverson was faking, which they were, then him going to a G-Town doctor to get a diagnosis wouldn’t change their minds. It would seem fake.
    Conversely, if you’re like me and you think team doctors can’t be trusted, him going to his own doctor made perfect sense.

  • Donn

    it’s simple really, if AI accepted a lesser role (coming off the bench) then teams, especially contending teams, would love to have him. If he holds on to this illusion that he should be the focal point of the team then only teams (grizzlies) who don’t care about winning would want him.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    *Throws chair across bowling alley*

  • Jimmy S

    look at who the nuggets played in their 2 1st round playoff series when iverson was there- the spurs and the lakers, with chauncey billups they still can’t beat the spurs and the lakers- chauncey doesn’t make them a better team when it comes to beating the elite teams-this is what I’d like to know- “what can’t iverson do now that he could before?” the answer is: Nothing!!!The answer can still answer if an organization wants him to. The problem is, no organization wants to do that. Sounds like others are selfish, not just A.I. Allen Iverson will get the credit for a teams success or failure. He’s a very significant individual when it comes to the world of basketball- He doesn’t deserve the treatment he’s received. he’s a guy that people love to hate because of his unique talent,but let me end with this. Allen Iverson is on the court with your team down by one with 24 seconds to go- Iverson doesn’t take the shot and you lose- you’d be lying if you said that you wouldn’t think about if he took the last shot what could have happened. At 34 He still can get it done if watch him play every game like I do.

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    So Iverson cant find a team. The only teams interested is the grizzlies,clippers,heat,bulls, and the olympiakos. Mighty funny no contending nba team wants to put up with his whinny ass complaining all the time.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Myles, unless we are playing a online-based verison of the game of catch, i suggest you cease throwing chairs.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Myles, unless we are playing a online-based verison of the game of catch, i suggest you cease throwing chairs.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Jimmy S. Sound points all around man.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    The Detroit situation was unfortunate; let’s just leave it at that and not point fingers any more. It’s all moot anyway. It hurts to think about it, and I was one of the people who had really high hopes, because AI as a Piston made so much sense in a poetic way, until Murphy’s Law kicked in hard.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    But it didn’t make sense, Joel O’s. And I feel the real culprits have gotten away scott-free (well, not Curry). AI to the Pistons was a bad play. Chauncey was the only guy on that team who should have been deemed “untradeable”, yet they kept HIS system after AI came… I agree it gets tiresome to talk about, but it needs to be said. 99% of the media has pushed the blame solely on Iverson.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    It seems weird how not to many haters commented on this. Great article.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    It seems weird…? Or you think it IS weird..? Why can’t anyone have one solid opinion up in here?
    __
    I’ve read the back and forth here between Allenp and Myles Brown and all I can think is this….here is a gritty-stubborn player who wont rest through injuries because he NEEDS to be on the floor, won’t go to practice because he’ll wear himself out before the actual game, won’t come off the bench because he NEEDS to be on the floor, can have a polarising effect on team mates because he NEEDS to be on the floor and he gets to a new team, probably entirely against his own personal preferences and he’s ushered to the bench, almost akin to being the “new kid at school”, and because of who he is and what he needs…which if your recalling his entire career to mind, the general theme is because HE NEEDS TO BE ON THE FLOOR!! and he realises it’s not forth coming then he’s decided to play the waiting game.
    The shame of it, is that this is the ONE player that I can recall in my following of the NBA since 1993 that’s being held accountable for holding out and packing up shop for the remainder of the season. And how has this come to be such? Well, as the original article highlighted…AI’s honesty got him to this place. Most disgruntled players will hold out or get into cruise mode towards the end of the season when things aren’t going their way – but they surely don’t SAY thats why they’re doing it….

  • http://canucks.com tealish

    Allenp deserves every bit of this co-sign.

  • Cmac

    AI is my favourite player ever. Seeing him play through pain and strive on is not just his state of mind. its who he is. its heart renching to see him without a team. great article anyways.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Myles deserves way mroe co-sign than anyone else posting here.
    I’m sure the Detroit doctors were trying to sabotage AI.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I’m appreciate AI’s honesty, but I wonder what it really means to ‘keep it real’ to some of these guys posting.
    Is Iverson keeping it real while David Robinson is a wussy tool?

  • tavoris

    TADOne…I’m from Newport News, VA…born & raised…played Boo Williams AAU with the dude (so of course I’m a little biased)

  • tavoris

    Myles, I’m sure you realize that a similar back problem (nothing that required surgery) ENDED Larry Bird’s career? Back pain is NO JOKE. And basketball is really, really hard to play with back pain.

  • tavoris

    Myles, I’m sure you realize that a similar back problem (nothing that required surgery) ENDED Larry Bird’s career? Back pain is NO JOKE. And basketball is really, really hard to play with back pain.

  • tavoris

    Teddy…in defense of Joe Dumars-he definitely tanked the 2008-2009 season, and his signing of Ben Gordon (more selfish pllayer with a better J) is VERY questionable, but his job isn’t to protect any player’s legacy. He actually made some shrewd moves to get the team MUCH younger and athletic. I’m still wondering who’s gonna pass Charlie V and BG the ball, because Stuckey sure doesn’t look like a point guard to me.

  • tavoris

    Jukai…David Robinson has always/will always be criticized for being “too nice”. It’s crazy. David Robinson definitely “kept it real.” Dude has done some AMAZING things for people behind the scenes, like sponsoring the college education of an ENTIRE class of students that he met early in his career. And on the court, he was probably the most complete big man not named Wilt. He could score, rebound, pass, shoot, handle, and was/is one of the better help defenders the NBA ever will see.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Tavoris: I hope you realize Larry Bird’s back issues were diagnosed right away…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Does Jason Williams keep it real, or does Steve Nash?
    Does Asher Roth keep it real, or would you prefer Em’s realness?

  • tavoris

    Jukai…Larry Bird’s back issues were immediately diagnosed by doctors in a city where he’s considered a diety. That’s partially also why his pain went without question by anyone. team doctors are practically paid to find or not find whatever the GM needs them to find at the moment.

  • tavoris

    Allenp…I know u dind’t ask me, but Jason Williams-no. Steve Nash-yes.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Allenp: They both keep is real. Jason Williams shouted out his gay asian hate for everyone to hear, and loved talking about his pot smoking habit. Steve Nash whines whenever the opportunity comes up. That’s my point: Why the hell is everyone (ie two people) talking about how real Ron, Jackson, and Iverson? What makes them realler than David Robinson, who I consider the most real mofo ever in the league?
    People made fun of his straight-edge, polite, patriotic attitude, calling him a poser, a tool, and a lot of slave jokes that I don’t even want to repeat. Truth was, dude was actually like that, and he didn’t bow under pressure to anyone. Same way Iverson has always been him, no matter how the media wanted to change his image.
    The cornrows for me were the most important part of how real Iverson was: he didn’t cut them off for anyone except for himself. When no one cared about his cornrows anymore, he thought to himself “I’m getting old, it’s time for a change.” THAT’S freaking real. It’s making your own damn decision.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Tavoris: So, the Celtic GMs needed Bird to sit out half a season?

  • tavoris

    Jukai, you are missing my point. Boston’s doctors (where he’s God) will-and did-everything in their power to make the best determination NOT ONLY for their team, but for the man. It’s not a reach to say that Detroit’s doctors had a vested interest in making AI’s injuries appear “faked”

  • tavoris

    there is an old saying that the REALLY rich and the REALLY poor receive the WORST medical care.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai, cool. I respect your point of view and agree with you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    The point is that team doctors aren’t the most reliable. Ask Grant Hill or Darius Miles. I like how you ignored those two examples and jumped right on to Larry Bird.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Allenp, you jumped straight to examples where doctors weren’t reliable. I jumped to other examples. The point is, Allen Iverson has played through worse… yet he doesn’t even bother to show up for this injury that no one can diagnose. It’s all very fishy. Knowing Iverson’s stance on things, I wont go to say that he ‘faked it’ but needed to find a doctor who would make it sound seventy times worse than possible so he could get out of saying he quit on his team.
    It hurt his stock.
    And it’s ironic, in a way, because if he finds a position where he LIKES to be playing, he’ll fight through missing limbs. People dont’ want to chance whether he’ll “like” things or not.
    And I’m glad we can shake hands and agree with that point of view.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Everyone has made some good points. I don’t believe AI was faking any injury. In case people were not aware, he actually hurt his back in a game that was 2 games before Curry announced his decision to bench AI and start Rip. So the back injury was real, there is no question on that. Now, if people want to wonder what the extent of the injury was, then I suppose you can make assumptions. Lot’s of players go back to get 2nd opinions at their old schools where they played or with doctors they trust. Why should it be an issue if AI did the same thing? I’m not going to say AI was without blame because he ceratinly could have handled the situation much better. But yes, there were many culprits of blame in Detroit last season and I have called all of them on it at one point or another. However, that is all water under the bridge and hardly matters for this upcoming season.
    Tavoris: that is what’s up. I’m not even sure if Boo Williams still holds those tournaments in the area anymore?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Iverson played with the back injury. He came back. As Tad said, the injury happened before hte benching.
    People are assuming he was faking or wasn’t hurt that bad because that’s what y’all want to believe. There is no “evidence” that he was faking. It’s cool if you believe that.
    Personally, I think he said initially that he wasn’t killing himself for a team that he felt wasn’t looking out for him. I don’t have a problem with that.

  • danny

    Look i’ll says it right now. Iverson faked his injury. Why? Because i saw him play when he came back for like 20 min in the games. He was FINE, in fact, he was straight gunning and trying to cross people up. don’t act like “he was hurtin on the INSIDE.” That’s bs, iverson has been seen more in casinos this offseason than even working out “his back problem.” Get off this guys nuts.

  • danny

    BTW, i dont give a flip about the injury issure. The point is, he was given the pistons team that went to the conf. finals every other year. He was the only one not on the team the year before. So OF COURSE HE’s gonna get blamed if they all of a sudden become a .500 team. When the team starts to lose, rasheed and rip and erryone else just got mad cuz iverson sucked. Chauncey was good, but switch them, and a.i.’s a career .500 mediocre pg.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    *sigh*

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Danny
    Iverson didn’t shut himself down for the rest of season. Joe Dumars did that. Iverson complained about playing 17 minutes, and Dumars asked him not to come back to anymore games.
    If you can’t get simple facts correct in your arguments,(I didn’t forget your 14 shots debacle) maybe you should try commenting somewhere where people don’t actually use their brains.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Allen:
    C’mon now… Iverson shut himself down… if Iverson was like “sure coach, I’ll come off the bench for 20-30 minutes a game” you think Dumars would shut him down?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Umm Jukai? David Robinson was honest too. No shat he kept it real.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    tavoris, you just supported my point: Joe Dumars has been a horrible GM the past few years.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    AI isn’t a pg Danny, that’s why the Pistons sucked, because neither is Stuckey. Oh and as for passing? Iverson on the Nuggets averaged more assists per game than Chauncey on the Nuggets. And he’s a shooting guard. Thanks for playing though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Joe Dumars needs to be called on his $h*t.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh and Jukai, Jason Williams was a poser and a jack@ss. Did he keep it real? He had good skills, but he’s a racist @sshole. On a side note: Its BS that the league didn’t suspend him for that. I could care less about flagrant fouls, but shouting racial slurs AND homophobic slurs towards people during a game in PUBLIC, should have warranted more severe punishment. No offense, but I think its important to raise the question: What would have happened if the fans he yelled at were African American? Jason Williams would be playing ball in the CBA or the Euroleague because no NBA team would want to hire him. And no players would want to play alongside him either. Granted, if China had its NBA relations as large as they are today back then, I’m pretty sure he would have been punished more, which is just sad… I’m not trying to stir the pot, and its definitely no minority’s fault no matter what race, but talk about inequality..

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And that punishment would have been rightfully dealt, I forgot to add.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    So, your position is that Joe Dumars had no choice?

  • tavoris

    TADOne…yeah, they are pretty much every june,at the new sports complex he built in Hampton. I helped coach 4 a couple of years, but living in NYC makes that kinda hard now.
    Allenp-in Jukai’s defense (I don’t do this often) I brought up Larry Bird. However, it doesn’t take away from the situation. Allen Iverson had no leverage to shut himself down in Detroit. He has no fan base there, no lengthy contract to bind their flexibility. Detroit, on the other hand, held all the cards. It’s obvious they had a meeting and (Detroit) said “This isn’t working. Go home.”
    Teddy, Jason Williams is from West Virginia-what did you expect?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    I know you introduced Larry Bird, but Jukai had already made his comment casting aspersions on anyone claiming that Detroit’s team doctors were not above reproach. He did that in his typical backhanded way when he praised Myles.
    Your Bird comment just allowed him to further that argument, which ignores the checkered history of team doctors in every major sport.

  • tavoris

    so true…and it isn’t like AI made the decision to go to G-town doctors. Any agent worth his check woulda gotten advice from the player’s association FIRST before making that appointment.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Gotcha, tavoris. I think I heard a song by Jason Williams the other day:
    “In West Virginia born and raised,
    On the playground, where Whit-E spent most of my days,
    Chillin’ out maxin’ tryin’ to act all black, while all shoutin’ slurs at Asians outside of the school,
    When a couple of guys who were up to no good,
    Started makin’ trouble in my neighborhood,
    I got in one little fight and my friends got scared as sh!t,
    And said you’re movin’ with your auntie to Memphis.”

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    … pause …

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Teddy: My man, the Pistons had a bad season last season, they did not suck. The Knicks sucked. Memphis, Sacramento, and Minny sucked. Detroit had a down year. Also, if you want to call Dumars out for trading Billups, also be aware that the cap space brought the Pistons 2 new, young conerstones. I’m not saying they will work out, but i’m willing to wait and see before calling him out on the table.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Fair enough TAD. ‘suck’ was an exaggeration and not the correct word. But compared to making the ECF every year? I think Dumars has gotten away without a scratch from last year’s underachievement. And failing to utilize one of the best players in the league to his full potential on a team that’s lacking its best player in Chauncey Billups, is why I’m calling Dumars out (yes I know he’s not the coach, but he makes the big moves and had major sway in deactivating Iverson). But I understand what you mean, we’ll just have to wait and see how Gordon and Charlie V. pan out. I agree.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Every good team eventually has a down year and has to reload or rebuild. Everyone was screaming for Dumars to move one of the core ’4′ guys after getting to so many ECF and losing in a row. Dumars finally did. It’s not like AI was his first choice; hell, he even tried to get Melo off the Nuggets first. The problem Joe had in making trades was everyone was trying to give him 30 cents on the dollar. The Nuggets and George Karl wanted a ‘true’ PG for some time. So when they offered AI for Chauncey and McDyess, i’m quite certain Dumars had pause. But when the move was done, Dumars himself stated he was “going for it” with AI and admitted then and there that the fact his contract was coming off the books after the year was also a determining factor. I, for one, was uneasy about the trade. I have always loved AI, but Billups was the Pistons sole. Joe knew this but also knew he had a young guy in Stuckey who was too talented to keep on the bench. So he pulled the trigger. In retrospect, Curry handled the rotation all wrong last season. Players bristled and Curry stayed stubborn. Dumars was a man about it and corrected that mistake. Granted, it is one he should have never nade to begin with, but hindsight is 20/20. I’d rather have a GM with the balls to make moves than one who would rather sit back and wait for rock bottom.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    With all that said, I think this is the first time me and Teddy have agreed on something. I feel like celebrating or something.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good point, TAD. Yeah, we need to go party or something. We actually sort of agree!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    By the way, have you considered blogging again, TAD?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    SKO is still around, it is just on an extended vacation. I imagine we will have something on there soon enough. Real life has gotten in the way.

  • vmcb

    AI has been keeping it real, refusing to let go of the passion that one made him a great player. But that extra same passion is whats keeping him from playing meaningful minutes on a good team in the NBA next season. His inability to accept a role is scaring off any GM. Not to mention the fact that he’s no longer quick enough to get into the lane at all and is becoming more reliant on his shaky jumper to score. AI has to swallow his pride and come off the bench for 20 minutes while running the offense if he ever wants another chance to win a ring.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Sounds good, TAD. Looking forward to it.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I read all 150+ comments and came to this conclusion after 45 minutes of it:
    “meh”.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    I feel bad for A.I. because he has been blamed for things that were not true. They said he did not sacrafice for the Pistons. But A.I. sacraficed A LOT! he was averaging 27.8ppg for his career and took onli 14 shots per game which no great scorer has ever done. Since A.I. left Philly his usage rate came way down. Last two years with the Nuggets A.I. was not top 10 in Usage Rate percentage. In 07-08 A.I. was I think 17th in Usage rate and he was 3rd in scoring. The guys who beat him in scoring (Kobe and Bron) were both top 2 in usage rate. A.I. was not even top 30 in usage rate in Detroit. Infact Rip was higher than him and in the top 20. It was hard for A.I. he was not a washed up player but he was a player who could easily lead the league in scoring and average 30 if he was even top 5 in the league in usage rate. Imagine what he could have done if he was top 5 or even top 10 or even top 15!!!! in usage percentage for the last 3 years. A.I. could easily have won 2 scoring titles. Instead he sacraficed for the good of the team just so he could have a chance of winning. People say he dominated the ball and did his own thing but those were the games the Pistons won. If you watch game tape A.I. did not play like the real A.I. he did not get to do his thing instead tried playing Piston ball. TRIED. But still people said he did not sacrafice. Imagine walking into the Pistons lockeroom this year knowing everyone hates you for the wrong reasons. Knowing you are labelled in a wrong way. Knowing you are making a sacrafice but people and your team are saying you aren’t. Knowing you are not being used properly and knowing you are way better than this. Knowing you are a legend knowing that you have a better career than the players in that lockeroom put together. Knowing there are only 3 players that have a better career than you in the whole league but people are making it like you are a garbage player. Imagine walking into practice feeling unwelcomed. A.I. probably had no close friends in Detroit. The coach hated A.I. for all the wrong reasons. People the Pistons treated A.I. very poorly and they made his value and his career look so bad. Instead his value and his career is the total opposite of what the Pistons and the ignorant media made it. It is amazing. I hope A.I. gets a chance next year to show everyone the player he truly is. A lot of people may have to eat their words.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven deuce

    Iverson is a legend in the game and his place in the Hall of Fame is secure, but he never made his teammates better. As a matter of fact, he pretty much ruined everyone he played with due to his style of play. Hopefully he gets a chance to either win a championship or go out playing like he came in – as there is now no chance of both happening at the same time, if there ever truly was one. He’ll be talked about better once he’s gone. Maybe.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL @ Seven deuce: Are you kidding? Aaron McKie? Eric Snow?

  • ngoiekafita

    @rikson: seems to me that you don’t get the REAL point, do ya?
    Bein a black man in a most def white country, my remark wasn’t about the style!
    It was about how Ive made me fall in love with the game.
    Now if you call people who were baggy shorts ‘stylers’ i would be happy to invite you over to Belgium or better yet i’ma take the trip to your spot and hoop it up.
    Then we’ll see if Iverson just gave me fashion tips to run with, mmmmmmmmmkay?

  • ngoiekafita

    * wear

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    TAD, whatever happened to that giant draft thing we were gonna do? Everyone seemed excited for it then all of a sudden it vanished.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I think if people like Pardeep didn’t exist, I’d be defending Iverson a lot more.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    LOL @ Jukai…

  • tavoris

    I think if wayno didn’t exist, I’d be defending Iverson a lot less (and every Iverson thread would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter)

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I’ve said like 2 things on this thread Tavoris…seriously. I’m pretty sure you’ve been talking out your @$$ throught the entire thread.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    It says something when your man crush on AI is so intense that anytime anyone legitimately criticizes the guy you have to write a 10 page essay.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    But whatever, I ain’t gettin into this again.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jukai: I wish I knew. The best I can tell you is that everyone was on board, but then everyone got busy. Also, I couldn’t find 3 more people to round the number to 10. A shame because I was looking forward to it. I need to email you.

  • tavoris

    wayno…it was a joke. u remember those? Unlike you, I don’t HATE on players. I am equally supportive of every player that gets thrown under the bus by the NBA media machine-whether deserved or not. If only because the NBA player is ALWAYS fighting a losing battle.

    and on a side note, while you may have only made a couple comments on this thread, you (and your many iterations) have been known to jump on AI threads ad nauseum.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    I KNOW if people like Jukai and Wayno did not exist I would probably not comment at all. These two are on this site all day commenting on every single thread like little kids. Get a life. Wayno always says something than runs off. “I ain’t gettin into this again”.??? You can’t live without getting into this again. Go comment on something else for the whole day. Get a life.

  • danny

    What idiots. When a.i. HIMSELF, decided to end his season, after being in ONLY 20 min. of straight gunning, i knew his career was going to end soon. Faked his injury, and is still the most inefficient franchise pg of all time. SO why are people on this site saying he’s a scorer?? Especially when it takes him around 3 shots to make 1 basket. Pathetic. -

  • Gabe

    LOL!!@Pardeep: Funny sh*t. But I think A.I. will get a job and prove doubters wrong.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Why did this danny guy come around specifically after the new comment rules were written? & why does he continue that lame argument about 3 shots to make 1. Another 3 to think about, #3 behind who? Jordan and Wilt, All Time scoring avg, not a scorer? Get new pathetic arguments and stop calling other people names (that’s not how to debate, here or anywhere, it doesn’t get respect in the slightest towards your opinion). Be a hater in your own home, don’t go telling everybody in the world through the internet.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven deuce

    Teddy: He made them Eric Snow & Aaron McKie better?! Snow had to guard bigger 2 guards so while playing with AI, because someone else had to run the offense. McKie had to play point for the same reason. Was AI better than them, hell yeah. But his shortcomings (and refusal to change his game) were the reason why none of his teammates ever improved in Philly with him. He only relented to a trade when Maurice told him he wanted the ball to go through Iguoudala more.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Never improved? I suggest you take a look at Aaron McKie’s career stats, from his rookie days to retirement, and then come back and tell me he never improved playing with AI. Then do the same for Eric Snow.
    Iverson’s refusal to change his game? He’s changed his game PLENTY. AND he was a freaking shooting guard! I don’t get where this myth of Allen Iverson never helping his teammates become better comes from. Nothing personal, but maybe you should look up the stats before making those kinds of assumptions?
    Eric Snow DOUBLED every single one of his stats upon joining the 76ers. A similar outcome for Aaron McKie. So don’t tell me Allen Iverson never made his teammates better, that’s complete bull.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Blinguo TWO TIMES.
    Anyways, why do people always assume Iverson didn’t pass the ball? A shooting guard is SUPPOSED TO SHOOT. That being said, Iverson has STILL averaged point-guard-like numbers in terms of career assists. Allen Iverson has more career assists per game than CHAUNCEY BILLUPS!
    And what’s with this notion that shooting guards are supposed to rake in a tonne of assists? They’re SHOOTING GUARDS. Nobody told Vince Carter to pass more, nobody told Ray Allen to pass more, nobody told Allen Houston or Reggie Miller to pass more. So what’s with this whole “Iverson should pass more” crap?

  • frank

    if he retires now he’ll probably be the best player ever at the time of retirement.

  • COLT6

    GOOD ARTICLE. EXACTLY ON POINT. GREW UP EMULATING A.I.’S MOVES. LIKE I HAVE SAID A WHILE BACK: THE ANSWER HAS STILL GOT IT. GIVE HIM A JOB. COME TO THINK OF IT, DALLAS MAY BE A GOOD TEAM FOR HIM TO WIN THE LARRY O’BRIEN TROPHY. DISCUSS…

  • dial up

    Love how a.i. lovers say that he averaged more assists than billups as a way of saying that makes him goood. Who the hell cares how many assists you average when your team loses every other game. Chauncey actually wins games, and has been on dominant teams. Chauncey actually shares the ball, and isn’t a ballhog. shiiht. -

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ TAD: Can I get your e-mail? I was down for that All-Time draft thing. Or if you don’t want to post it here,
    Jukai can post his because I know he has before, then I get all your e-mails from that?
    Also, I gotta ask you something TAD.
    Thanks.

  • tavoris

    dial up…Billups also has played with FAR more talent in his career than AI has (except for his 2 year stint in Denver). Billups has played with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Antonio McDyess, Richard Hamilton, Antoine Walker, and Joe Johnson, and Carmelo Anthony. With the exception of Joe Johnson (who hadn’t come into his own yet), every one of those players was in his prime when Billups was a teammate. AI on the other hand, has only had Melo for 18 months, Rasheed and Rip for a season (while both are past their primes).

  • coachmesports

    I loved the article. It is quite refreshing to finally read an honest article about Iverson. So many nay sayers and A.I. Haters down playing his impact on this league. Last years pistons debacle was as much Joe Dumars doing than anything/anybody elses. If Dumars would have been straight up with A.I. To begin with and said we are trading for you to come off the bench, Allen probably wound have been cool.. If he got Ginoboli or J.Terry minutes…but hell he got 17 minutes a game and you expect him just to come in and score 20 plus with a roster who turned their collective backs on him first… we all know his back didn’t really hurt, the detroit organization knew it.. He was basically saying “yall turned your backs on me and stabbed me in the back….so im out”… they weren’t using him anyway… basically joe used A.I. like memphis wants to… to Sell Tickets…. for 17 minutes a game… now that’s disrespectful!

  • coachmesports

    All im going to say is…find Pardeep comment Aug. 14th 1258a…. I absolutely agree with that comment whole heartedly. And if there are any true athletes on this board and you put yourself in A.I.’s shoes last year….you can not walk away saying you don’t feel that comment.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m expecting AI to tear up the NBA this season, playing each game like it was his last…I just hope this murky stint with Detroit wasn’t his last…He’s still got to teach a whole young generation about playing in this league.

  • http://www.nba.com Jamez

    Pardeep at August 14th, 12:58 am: That sums it up.

  • http://www.nba.com Jamez

    “His status as a warrior is permanent. What I am saying is that he is a Hall-of-Fame player who is still in the prime of his career, and that coming off the bench to him is a stone-cold slap of the face and totally unacceptable. And I don’t even disagree with his opinion…I seriously doubt Curry’s rotation as pertains to Allen Iverson…With all due respect to Michael Curry who is a bright basketball mind, this is the worst rotation decision I have even seen in my life.” – Rich Kamla

    That also sums it up

  • tavoris

    Jamez, I been saying the same thing ever since the trade happened up here…

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