Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm  |  198 responses

How Quickly We Forget

Uncertainties still surround The Answer.

by Adam Fleischer

Just a few summers back, this would have been unthinkable.

Allen Iverson, out of work and lacking any passionate suitors.

About a year ago, Iverson finished the ’07-08 season leading the Nuggets in scoring, assists, steals, and minutes per game while starting all 82 and helping Denver to a 50-32 record. During the Western Conference’s most competitive season in recent memory, he teamed with Melo to will the Nuggets to the playoffs. Yes, they were the 8-seed and abruptly swept by the Lakers, but it was a five-win improvement from the previous year (when they earned a 6-seed), and AI was out there on the court every night.

We knew he would be, though. Iverson’s inclination to suit up on a nightly basis—regardless of how beat up he is—has been well documented throughout his career. That’s why he doesn’t deserve this. And I don’t mean he doesn’t deserve this from a respect standpoint. I mean it from a basketball one.

It’s difficult to reconcile that title-contending and up and coming organizations alike don’t feel that Iverson would be an asset to their team next season. Or, if there are those that feel he could, they’re certainly slow and reluctant to show it. Media and fans have been quick to point to the many issues and perceived shortcomings that surrounded Iverson last year as some sort of indication that he’s done. Sure, players often fall off once they climb into their thirties, but not this fast when they’ve been this good.

But maybe the lack of off-season interest shouldn’t come as a surprise. The Answer has always been somewhat of a polarizing figure to all those ranging from teammates and coaches to the public and the league. That’s not to say he wasn’t loved by those four entities, too. It’s simply to state that AI has been toeing the line between an exalted and castigated superstar for his entire career. 1501021P GEORGETOWN V TX TECH

Iverson was a controversial figure from the moment he came on the national scene (outside of basketball circles) in 1993 as a talented young black athlete in trouble with the law and in the center of a legal battle with a racial backdrop. After a racially based brawl erupted at a local Virginia bowling alley, AI and three other black youths were arrested—the only ones detained, and a mere fraction of the many aggressors involved—and he and two others were sentenced to a ridiculous 15 years in prison, with 10 years suspended. A 17-year-old Allen ended up only serving a few months at a minimum-security work camp, and the decision was later overturned, but such a racially charged entrance into the national spotlight was a precursor to the type of fiery discourse that Iverson as a figure and player has sparked over the last decade plus.

At the time, I was too young to understand the issues surrounding the incident or to even be cognizant of its existence (what do you expect from a first grader?). But only a few years later, AI catapulted himself onto my radar and instantly became my favorite player. From what I remember, our relationship began with a Georgetown hat that I took from a friend’s house which in turn made me like the Hoyas. Once I had the hat, I watched the team’s superstar in awe. The way he played and his on-court style grabbed me. His fervor, focus on defense, tendency to weave his way towards the hole, and passing ability were only a few of the things that had me hooked.

Instantly, I wanted to be like him on the court. And I wasn’t the only one. There’s no one player, besides Kobe and MJ, who people my age grew up trying to model their games after more than AI. I loved his crossover, and I loved when he hit MJ with it. I loved his spats with Larry Brown, and I loved when they made up. I loved when he rocked size 11.5 Questions, and I loved when the later generation of the sneaker tiptoed over Tyronn Lue. Despite sporadic off-court troubles and criticisms from all sides, I felt like he could do no wrong. DNA054924022.jpg

People born some years earlier than I was didn’t always have the kindest thoughts about the young superstar, though. Scratch that. Opposite of my standpoint, when they thought of doing wrong, they thought of him. He didn’t pass enough. His baggy jeans, the ink on his arms, and the braids in his hair had no place in the game. He didn’t respect the older generation. He couldn’t be the face of the league—at least, not with the image that it looked to project.

That image is one of family-friendly athletes who could be readily marketed as the higher ups pleased. When you come in the league, you’re part of a multi-billion dollar corporation that has an image and a product to uphold, and if you don’t fit the mold, then they’ll airbrush your picture and change the rules so you can’t wear what you want.

But Iverson was, and is, in many ways, representative not of something that the league should be moving away from, but of something that it is sorely missing these days: honesty. From Iverson, you always get it straight. When he was at the podium for his now infamous “We talkin’ about practice!?” press conference, he was letting us in to how he felt. Maybe he was wrong, and maybe you didn’t agree with his sentiments, but at least he was sharing his true feelings. Isn’t that what we’re looking for from athletes when we ask them questions? Not for some easy to consume crap, but for the real thing? He wasn’t worried about always giving the politically correct answer. And when he did give it, it wasn’t for the sake of political correctness—it was because he believed what he was saying. You could just tell.

That’s something that hasn’t changed during his career. From his Rookie of the Year acceptance to a tearful press conference earlier this summer and everything in between, he gives you the real. His on-court game during that span has changed, but you gotta believe he’s still got it. He could still put up 20 per on playoff squad, but none seem to want to give him a shot. Or, possibly, it’s that he won’t give them one, stuck on looking for the sort of The Man role that, while marking his career, he’s now grown out of. But he’s not ready to stop playing, despite what he suggested some months ago. Not someone whose give and take with the game has been this meaningful.

There’s a chance I’m rejecting the current reality for the one of my youth, but I don’t think that’s the case. Much of what I’ve read, heard, and seen over the last few months regarding Iverson leaves me puzzled. It’s almost as if people have been waiting for his descent so they could use it as proof that he was never really as great as he was billed to be; so they could claim that his teams never made it over the hump not because of inferior talent around him, but because of him.

He claims that all he has ever wanted is to win. To me, it shows. It’s what he strives for—more than scoring titles, accolades, or endorsements. Has he always gone about that goal of winning in the right way? In hindsight, maybe not. Maybe he should have been quicker to meet his teammates and coaches halfway in disputes. Maybe he should have taken less shots after all. Maybe he should have done a lot of things. But it would be wrong of us to only think about him that way after what he’s given us.

Bring him onto a championship contender and he’ll help show that you need to “play every game like it’s your last,” like he has professed so many times. Bring him on a young squad and he’ll show the kids that it’s better to be yourself than something that the media, management, and the public want you to be. He’ll show Brandon Jennings that it’s more than alright to speak your mind. As one of the few with the platform to do so, you should take advantage.

He has brought a level of authenticity to the court and the mic (no, I’m not talking about “40 Bars”) that we would be remiss to quickly forget thanks to one sub-par season. Yet, here we are, two weeks into August and with just about every capable free agent off the market, but AI is still looking for a team. We may feel far removed now, but there was a decade when Iverson was one of, if not the, most exciting, fascinating, and entertaining player in the game. He’s no longer the MVP he was early in the decade, but he’s no schmuck either. 55993847EZ011_Milwaukee_Buc

So anyone hoping to diminish where Iverson’s been and what he’s done for the game in light of the where he and it seem to now be going, just remember: each time he hit the deck, he got right back up. As fans, we’ve all been better for it. And, as whichever team eventually extends their hand to pick him up will soon realize, don’t expect that to stop.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    So, your position is that Joe Dumars had no choice?

  • tavoris

    TADOne…yeah, they are pretty much every june,at the new sports complex he built in Hampton. I helped coach 4 a couple of years, but living in NYC makes that kinda hard now.
    Allenp-in Jukai’s defense (I don’t do this often) I brought up Larry Bird. However, it doesn’t take away from the situation. Allen Iverson had no leverage to shut himself down in Detroit. He has no fan base there, no lengthy contract to bind their flexibility. Detroit, on the other hand, held all the cards. It’s obvious they had a meeting and (Detroit) said “This isn’t working. Go home.”
    Teddy, Jason Williams is from West Virginia-what did you expect?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    I know you introduced Larry Bird, but Jukai had already made his comment casting aspersions on anyone claiming that Detroit’s team doctors were not above reproach. He did that in his typical backhanded way when he praised Myles.
    Your Bird comment just allowed him to further that argument, which ignores the checkered history of team doctors in every major sport.

  • tavoris

    so true…and it isn’t like AI made the decision to go to G-town doctors. Any agent worth his check woulda gotten advice from the player’s association FIRST before making that appointment.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Gotcha, tavoris. I think I heard a song by Jason Williams the other day:
    “In West Virginia born and raised,
    On the playground, where Whit-E spent most of my days,
    Chillin’ out maxin’ tryin’ to act all black, while all shoutin’ slurs at Asians outside of the school,
    When a couple of guys who were up to no good,
    Started makin’ trouble in my neighborhood,
    I got in one little fight and my friends got scared as sh!t,
    And said you’re movin’ with your auntie to Memphis.”

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    … pause …

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Teddy: My man, the Pistons had a bad season last season, they did not suck. The Knicks sucked. Memphis, Sacramento, and Minny sucked. Detroit had a down year. Also, if you want to call Dumars out for trading Billups, also be aware that the cap space brought the Pistons 2 new, young conerstones. I’m not saying they will work out, but i’m willing to wait and see before calling him out on the table.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Fair enough TAD. ‘suck’ was an exaggeration and not the correct word. But compared to making the ECF every year? I think Dumars has gotten away without a scratch from last year’s underachievement. And failing to utilize one of the best players in the league to his full potential on a team that’s lacking its best player in Chauncey Billups, is why I’m calling Dumars out (yes I know he’s not the coach, but he makes the big moves and had major sway in deactivating Iverson). But I understand what you mean, we’ll just have to wait and see how Gordon and Charlie V. pan out. I agree.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Every good team eventually has a down year and has to reload or rebuild. Everyone was screaming for Dumars to move one of the core ’4′ guys after getting to so many ECF and losing in a row. Dumars finally did. It’s not like AI was his first choice; hell, he even tried to get Melo off the Nuggets first. The problem Joe had in making trades was everyone was trying to give him 30 cents on the dollar. The Nuggets and George Karl wanted a ‘true’ PG for some time. So when they offered AI for Chauncey and McDyess, i’m quite certain Dumars had pause. But when the move was done, Dumars himself stated he was “going for it” with AI and admitted then and there that the fact his contract was coming off the books after the year was also a determining factor. I, for one, was uneasy about the trade. I have always loved AI, but Billups was the Pistons sole. Joe knew this but also knew he had a young guy in Stuckey who was too talented to keep on the bench. So he pulled the trigger. In retrospect, Curry handled the rotation all wrong last season. Players bristled and Curry stayed stubborn. Dumars was a man about it and corrected that mistake. Granted, it is one he should have never nade to begin with, but hindsight is 20/20. I’d rather have a GM with the balls to make moves than one who would rather sit back and wait for rock bottom.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    With all that said, I think this is the first time me and Teddy have agreed on something. I feel like celebrating or something.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good point, TAD. Yeah, we need to go party or something. We actually sort of agree!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    By the way, have you considered blogging again, TAD?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    SKO is still around, it is just on an extended vacation. I imagine we will have something on there soon enough. Real life has gotten in the way.

  • vmcb

    AI has been keeping it real, refusing to let go of the passion that one made him a great player. But that extra same passion is whats keeping him from playing meaningful minutes on a good team in the NBA next season. His inability to accept a role is scaring off any GM. Not to mention the fact that he’s no longer quick enough to get into the lane at all and is becoming more reliant on his shaky jumper to score. AI has to swallow his pride and come off the bench for 20 minutes while running the offense if he ever wants another chance to win a ring.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Sounds good, TAD. Looking forward to it.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I read all 150+ comments and came to this conclusion after 45 minutes of it:
    “meh”.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    I feel bad for A.I. because he has been blamed for things that were not true. They said he did not sacrafice for the Pistons. But A.I. sacraficed A LOT! he was averaging 27.8ppg for his career and took onli 14 shots per game which no great scorer has ever done. Since A.I. left Philly his usage rate came way down. Last two years with the Nuggets A.I. was not top 10 in Usage Rate percentage. In 07-08 A.I. was I think 17th in Usage rate and he was 3rd in scoring. The guys who beat him in scoring (Kobe and Bron) were both top 2 in usage rate. A.I. was not even top 30 in usage rate in Detroit. Infact Rip was higher than him and in the top 20. It was hard for A.I. he was not a washed up player but he was a player who could easily lead the league in scoring and average 30 if he was even top 5 in the league in usage rate. Imagine what he could have done if he was top 5 or even top 10 or even top 15!!!! in usage percentage for the last 3 years. A.I. could easily have won 2 scoring titles. Instead he sacraficed for the good of the team just so he could have a chance of winning. People say he dominated the ball and did his own thing but those were the games the Pistons won. If you watch game tape A.I. did not play like the real A.I. he did not get to do his thing instead tried playing Piston ball. TRIED. But still people said he did not sacrafice. Imagine walking into the Pistons lockeroom this year knowing everyone hates you for the wrong reasons. Knowing you are labelled in a wrong way. Knowing you are making a sacrafice but people and your team are saying you aren’t. Knowing you are not being used properly and knowing you are way better than this. Knowing you are a legend knowing that you have a better career than the players in that lockeroom put together. Knowing there are only 3 players that have a better career than you in the whole league but people are making it like you are a garbage player. Imagine walking into practice feeling unwelcomed. A.I. probably had no close friends in Detroit. The coach hated A.I. for all the wrong reasons. People the Pistons treated A.I. very poorly and they made his value and his career look so bad. Instead his value and his career is the total opposite of what the Pistons and the ignorant media made it. It is amazing. I hope A.I. gets a chance next year to show everyone the player he truly is. A lot of people may have to eat their words.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven deuce

    Iverson is a legend in the game and his place in the Hall of Fame is secure, but he never made his teammates better. As a matter of fact, he pretty much ruined everyone he played with due to his style of play. Hopefully he gets a chance to either win a championship or go out playing like he came in – as there is now no chance of both happening at the same time, if there ever truly was one. He’ll be talked about better once he’s gone. Maybe.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL @ Seven deuce: Are you kidding? Aaron McKie? Eric Snow?

  • ngoiekafita

    @rikson: seems to me that you don’t get the REAL point, do ya?
    Bein a black man in a most def white country, my remark wasn’t about the style!
    It was about how Ive made me fall in love with the game.
    Now if you call people who were baggy shorts ‘stylers’ i would be happy to invite you over to Belgium or better yet i’ma take the trip to your spot and hoop it up.
    Then we’ll see if Iverson just gave me fashion tips to run with, mmmmmmmmmkay?

  • ngoiekafita

    * wear

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    TAD, whatever happened to that giant draft thing we were gonna do? Everyone seemed excited for it then all of a sudden it vanished.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I think if people like Pardeep didn’t exist, I’d be defending Iverson a lot more.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    LOL @ Jukai…

  • tavoris

    I think if wayno didn’t exist, I’d be defending Iverson a lot less (and every Iverson thread would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay shorter)

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I’ve said like 2 things on this thread Tavoris…seriously. I’m pretty sure you’ve been talking out your @$$ throught the entire thread.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    It says something when your man crush on AI is so intense that anytime anyone legitimately criticizes the guy you have to write a 10 page essay.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    But whatever, I ain’t gettin into this again.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jukai: I wish I knew. The best I can tell you is that everyone was on board, but then everyone got busy. Also, I couldn’t find 3 more people to round the number to 10. A shame because I was looking forward to it. I need to email you.

  • tavoris

    wayno…it was a joke. u remember those? Unlike you, I don’t HATE on players. I am equally supportive of every player that gets thrown under the bus by the NBA media machine-whether deserved or not. If only because the NBA player is ALWAYS fighting a losing battle.

    and on a side note, while you may have only made a couple comments on this thread, you (and your many iterations) have been known to jump on AI threads ad nauseum.

  • http://www.nba.com Pardeep

    I KNOW if people like Jukai and Wayno did not exist I would probably not comment at all. These two are on this site all day commenting on every single thread like little kids. Get a life. Wayno always says something than runs off. “I ain’t gettin into this again”.??? You can’t live without getting into this again. Go comment on something else for the whole day. Get a life.

  • danny

    What idiots. When a.i. HIMSELF, decided to end his season, after being in ONLY 20 min. of straight gunning, i knew his career was going to end soon. Faked his injury, and is still the most inefficient franchise pg of all time. SO why are people on this site saying he’s a scorer?? Especially when it takes him around 3 shots to make 1 basket. Pathetic. -

  • Gabe

    LOL!!@Pardeep: Funny sh*t. But I think A.I. will get a job and prove doubters wrong.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Why did this danny guy come around specifically after the new comment rules were written? & why does he continue that lame argument about 3 shots to make 1. Another 3 to think about, #3 behind who? Jordan and Wilt, All Time scoring avg, not a scorer? Get new pathetic arguments and stop calling other people names (that’s not how to debate, here or anywhere, it doesn’t get respect in the slightest towards your opinion). Be a hater in your own home, don’t go telling everybody in the world through the internet.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven deuce

    Teddy: He made them Eric Snow & Aaron McKie better?! Snow had to guard bigger 2 guards so while playing with AI, because someone else had to run the offense. McKie had to play point for the same reason. Was AI better than them, hell yeah. But his shortcomings (and refusal to change his game) were the reason why none of his teammates ever improved in Philly with him. He only relented to a trade when Maurice told him he wanted the ball to go through Iguoudala more.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Never improved? I suggest you take a look at Aaron McKie’s career stats, from his rookie days to retirement, and then come back and tell me he never improved playing with AI. Then do the same for Eric Snow.
    Iverson’s refusal to change his game? He’s changed his game PLENTY. AND he was a freaking shooting guard! I don’t get where this myth of Allen Iverson never helping his teammates become better comes from. Nothing personal, but maybe you should look up the stats before making those kinds of assumptions?
    Eric Snow DOUBLED every single one of his stats upon joining the 76ers. A similar outcome for Aaron McKie. So don’t tell me Allen Iverson never made his teammates better, that’s complete bull.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Blinguo TWO TIMES.
    Anyways, why do people always assume Iverson didn’t pass the ball? A shooting guard is SUPPOSED TO SHOOT. That being said, Iverson has STILL averaged point-guard-like numbers in terms of career assists. Allen Iverson has more career assists per game than CHAUNCEY BILLUPS!
    And what’s with this notion that shooting guards are supposed to rake in a tonne of assists? They’re SHOOTING GUARDS. Nobody told Vince Carter to pass more, nobody told Ray Allen to pass more, nobody told Allen Houston or Reggie Miller to pass more. So what’s with this whole “Iverson should pass more” crap?

  • frank

    if he retires now he’ll probably be the best player ever at the time of retirement.

  • COLT6

    GOOD ARTICLE. EXACTLY ON POINT. GREW UP EMULATING A.I.’S MOVES. LIKE I HAVE SAID A WHILE BACK: THE ANSWER HAS STILL GOT IT. GIVE HIM A JOB. COME TO THINK OF IT, DALLAS MAY BE A GOOD TEAM FOR HIM TO WIN THE LARRY O’BRIEN TROPHY. DISCUSS…

  • dial up

    Love how a.i. lovers say that he averaged more assists than billups as a way of saying that makes him goood. Who the hell cares how many assists you average when your team loses every other game. Chauncey actually wins games, and has been on dominant teams. Chauncey actually shares the ball, and isn’t a ballhog. shiiht. -

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ TAD: Can I get your e-mail? I was down for that All-Time draft thing. Or if you don’t want to post it here,
    Jukai can post his because I know he has before, then I get all your e-mails from that?
    Also, I gotta ask you something TAD.
    Thanks.

  • tavoris

    dial up…Billups also has played with FAR more talent in his career than AI has (except for his 2 year stint in Denver). Billups has played with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Antonio McDyess, Richard Hamilton, Antoine Walker, and Joe Johnson, and Carmelo Anthony. With the exception of Joe Johnson (who hadn’t come into his own yet), every one of those players was in his prime when Billups was a teammate. AI on the other hand, has only had Melo for 18 months, Rasheed and Rip for a season (while both are past their primes).

  • coachmesports

    I loved the article. It is quite refreshing to finally read an honest article about Iverson. So many nay sayers and A.I. Haters down playing his impact on this league. Last years pistons debacle was as much Joe Dumars doing than anything/anybody elses. If Dumars would have been straight up with A.I. To begin with and said we are trading for you to come off the bench, Allen probably wound have been cool.. If he got Ginoboli or J.Terry minutes…but hell he got 17 minutes a game and you expect him just to come in and score 20 plus with a roster who turned their collective backs on him first… we all know his back didn’t really hurt, the detroit organization knew it.. He was basically saying “yall turned your backs on me and stabbed me in the back….so im out”… they weren’t using him anyway… basically joe used A.I. like memphis wants to… to Sell Tickets…. for 17 minutes a game… now that’s disrespectful!

  • coachmesports

    All im going to say is…find Pardeep comment Aug. 14th 1258a…. I absolutely agree with that comment whole heartedly. And if there are any true athletes on this board and you put yourself in A.I.’s shoes last year….you can not walk away saying you don’t feel that comment.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m expecting AI to tear up the NBA this season, playing each game like it was his last…I just hope this murky stint with Detroit wasn’t his last…He’s still got to teach a whole young generation about playing in this league.

  • http://www.nba.com Jamez

    Pardeep at August 14th, 12:58 am: That sums it up.

  • http://www.nba.com Jamez

    “His status as a warrior is permanent. What I am saying is that he is a Hall-of-Fame player who is still in the prime of his career, and that coming off the bench to him is a stone-cold slap of the face and totally unacceptable. And I don’t even disagree with his opinion…I seriously doubt Curry’s rotation as pertains to Allen Iverson…With all due respect to Michael Curry who is a bright basketball mind, this is the worst rotation decision I have even seen in my life.” – Rich Kamla

    That also sums it up

  • tavoris

    Jamez, I been saying the same thing ever since the trade happened up here…

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