Monday, September 14th, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  60 responses

Allen Iverson’s Manager: Pistons Lied

According to Gary Moore, the Detroit Pistons weren’t exactly truthful with his client last season: ”He went there, and he couldn’t really trust what people had told him,’ said Gary Moore, Iverson’s business manager and grade-school football coach. ‘People in Detroit weren’t very truthful with him.’ According to Moore, Iverson had been told that he would be the leader of the team when he arrived, and that was not what played out. The players were upset that the front office had traded away Chauncey Billups, Moore said. Iverson was persona non grata before he even showed up. ‘Allen couldn’t do anything about that,’ Moore said. ‘When you lie to him, that affects him.”‘

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  • http://Thebasketballblogger.com Dan

    Well, its in the past. Iverson needs to move on and do his best to get the grizzlies to the playoffs. Then a contending team can emerge in the next 2-3 years. He’ll still be in the league and will have another chance to win a title.


  • Wdavid

    “verson had been told that he would be the leader of the team when he arrived.” I think that quote pretty much sums up why AI is in the position he’s in.

  • Yesse

    Something was wrong about the trade from the beginning.I would be mad too if somebody lied to me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com myles brown

    Pistons: Allen Iverson lied about his back. And this sounds like bullsh*t to me. A team on a run of 5 or 6 consecutive Conference Finals promised you the leadership mantle? I’m sure Rip, Sheed, Tay and them might have had some questions about that. And even if he was promised that role, did he fulfill it by skipping practice on Thanksgiving when the only reason they had in the first place was so he could learn the plays?

  • Ken

    I’m with Myles. Something smells fishy. And I don’t see the point of AI’s people bringing this stuff up…it’s in the past and it just makes everybody look bad.

  • Tuomas

    I’m in tears.

  • hillbilly

    Re: “…Gary Moore, Iverson’s business manager and grade-school football coach.”
    Oh, yeah…that’s who you want handling your money.

  • G

    @Myles: Great point about that Thanksgiving practice. I was so ticked off when that happened that I wanted to chew glass. After that happened there was nothing suprising about the way the rest of the season went.

  • Brian

    The Pistons were wrong for scheduling that Thanksgiving practice without seeing if AI could make it first. No one pushes AI into a corner.

  • tavoris

    people are acting as if this is coming from AI’s mouth today. This was a common sentiment 10 months ago, when it was clear that the Billups trade was a surprise to the entire team (everyone kinda figured Tay or Rip would be dealt first). Additionally, Gary Moore is NOT AI’s manager. He has a role within the Crossover Foundation, but AI has an agent called Leon Rose.

  • TADOne

    Co-sign Myles.

  • tavoris

    TADOne…where u been hiding, dude?

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    I’m not sure he was lied to. The Pistons management said he would have a leadership role. They didn’t say the players would follow.

  • tavoris

    Jukai…isn’t that the same thing?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is stupid. Nobody can promise that you’re a leader.
    And I see Myles has made up his mind.

  • Trace

    Please don’t use not showing at that Thanksgiving practice here. What kind of person schedules practice on Thanksgiving anyway? They were playing Milwaukee the next day (and won). To me it’s the same if my manager tell me to come to work on a holiday on some project that is neither urgent or critical – I won’t accept it either.

  • Trace

    Also, it’s one thing not getting leadership role and it’s completely another somebody to tell you that your backing up Rodney Stuckey. Will Bynum was better than Stuckey last season! I’m dying to see how will Ben Gordon workout this season.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, that was the snake oil that Dumars was selling to media when he made that trade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com myles brown

    Bottom line is that he exhibited absolutely no leadership skills/traits during the season, so why complain about how no one allowed him to be one?

  • tavoris

    myles, if you were moved to a different position in your job (without warning), and was now working with colleagues that loathed you, how would you react? would you immediately be looking for another job? I know I would.

  • http://www.slamonline.com myles brown

    In the real world,if I blew off work at my own convenience, clashed with management/coworkers and called in sick for a month, I probably would be looking for a new job. And not by choice.

  • tavoris

    myles, not if you were in a union.

  • tavoris

    and why do you hold the “leadership” on the Pistons above reproach? IMHO, Rip, and Stuckey all had an OBLIGATION to sacrifice for the TEAM, and grossly failed to even TRY to do so. No, coming off the bench-while whining the entire time-is not a sacrifice. let’s not go down this “blame AI for everything” road again, because the Piston’s were slipping towards irrelevancy a full YEAR before the trade (which is why Dumars made the trade to begin with)

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-Sign Myles. The fact that the “union” stipulation had to be thrown into that arguement made it completley irrelevant. I could only imagine what Iverson would have brought to the table if he didn’t have the “I’ll only play when the lights are on” attitude. What if he had a summer work ethic? The bottom line is that it’s over. Cue the Coldplay Viva La Vida music.

  • tavoris

    Spaceship Jay, has it occured to you that EVEN if AI had done all the right things in Detroit, that he still woulda been ostracized by his “teammates” for being the “guy that replaced Billups”?

  • Josh D

    Do u reckon i could employ my primary school PE teacherto b my manager?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    Yes that is a very valid point Tavoris… However, We can’t really speak that much into that because it’s a totally “what if?” situation. The fact that AI didn’t do the right things in Detroit and when you add his historical references, it’s tough to advocate for a guy that kind of put himself in that position.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven deuce

    No one can make you a leader, you either are or you aren’t. People will follow you naturally if you exhibit the necessary work ethic and attitude that reaches across differences to pull teammates/co-workers together.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles’ argument is based on a leap of faith that Iverson was faking.
    That leap of faith is based solely on conjecture and rooted in a personal dislike of Iverson’s style of play and attitude. There is no “proof” that Iverson was faking. None. Nobody with the Pistons, who obviously have no reasong to protect Iverson, has said that he was faking.
    I don’t want to rehash that tired argument, but since that appears to be one of the main planks of the response from Myles and Spaceship Jay, I felt the need to point out that it’s bogus.
    Iverson reported a back injury before he got benched. Back injuries are notoriously difficult to diagnose by doctors. A sportswriter speculated that Iverson was pouting. (Oh yeah, nobody said Rip was pouting when he was out extra long with a groin injury, just saying). Based on this writer’s speculation, and Iverson’s decision to get a second opinion from the doctor’s at Georgetown, people have decided he was faking.
    Nobody has explained why the doctors at Georgetown are considered suspect, but the doctors for the Pistons are trustworthy. Nobody has questioned the Detroit columnists use of anonymous sources.
    Peopl have used sketchy information to validate their own feelings. That is all.

  • TADOne

    I’m not going to go over the whole back injury thing again, but leadership is right that is earned, not one that is just given. Now, if Dumars did tell AI that he would be looked at to provide leadership, then that is something totally different than what AI is claiming. I’m not sure who to believe on this one and I don’t really care anymore. Thing is, the Pistons had veterans in Rip, Tay, and Sheed (I know, I know) who had been with the team and deserved a leadership role. Bottom line is that no one person could fill Chauncey’s shoes when he left, especially in being a leader.

  • jdote

    I want to sai: AI just move on.. But he can’t. It’s true, last season almost ruined his career. Now you have people like George Karl saying he should come off the bench and be a mentor.. Come off the bench to replace Mike Conley…. a dude who in his second year was battlin kyle lowry for minutes and averagin 11 pts and 6 assist.. not dissin lowry or conley.. just sayin..if ai in memphis doesn’t work it wont be becuz of talent, or the fact that the team can’t actually play together. it will be becuz of guys like oj mayo and rudy gay not buying into the fact that AI can take them to the promise land..why would they have such doubts: last years situation in detroit

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    tavoris: No, no it’s not. You have to WIN leadership. If Iverson couldn’t, well, that’s not management’s fault.

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    Not saying blame AI, blame Tay/Sheed/Rip. Stop bad mouthing the management.
    Also, Allen Iverson totally faked his illness. Not even debatable.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    I knew something was up and this is totally understandable the Pistons probably told Iverson he can play like Allen Iverson and the players didn’t agree with it and Iverson got mad at the management because Curry didn’t have the balls to tell anyone to try the AI experiment. Rip,Sheed and Tay should have make him feel welcomed because it wasnt Iversons fault Billups left. AI was getting messed around with so much and if he did fake the injury (he might have missed some extra games)it may just have been him thinking. Okay I have been trying to sacrafice the whole time and they almost destroyed my career by lying to me so why should I play for a team that is already 8th place and get blamed for being swept in the first round. He left early and ended a sad chapter to an amazing career. Who knows what would have gone down if AI stayed longer.

  • http://www.garrettelliott.com Garrett

    The Pistons are probably one of the more respected organizations in the league, from top to bottom. To say they flat out lied to him really makes me skeptical. I just wish AI would have accepted coming off the bench. He only averaged 17 a game in a yo-yo role — I think he could have averaged 17 or more in a consistent bench role.

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    In all honesty, Iverson doesn’t have the leadership charisma to lead the Pistons. Iverson lead his team through heart and pride. You need to be vocal. Billups is soft spoken, but damn, that dude has his arms flailing all over the place, ordering people here and there. that’s not iverson.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Of the 3 people who watched the Iverson Memphis press conference, did you hear that one dude randomly say his son committed suicide? The f*ck was that?! Iverson’s expression was “uhh…the f*ck kinda question is that?”
    And the look on OJ Mayo’s face was priceless throughout, he looks thrilled that AI’s in town.

  • TC

    Wow, I cannot believe there are still people out there that think Iverson is not a dick……

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    Anton: I saw that. Iverson was getting all buddy buddy with the dude, and then it’s just like a minute of silence. I laughed. I probably should not have.

  • tavoris

    Garret, the Pistons are a respected organization SOLELY because of Dumars. TC, Rip is twice the dick that AI ever was. Jukai, leadershi IS earned, but when you trade for a 13 year vet, a 10 time all-star and former MVP, there is ALWAYS a discussion about that player’s intended role in the organization. At the very least, Leon Rose woulda demanded a dialogue to protect is client. Use common sense, people…the Pistons KNEW that there were gonna be chemistry/rotation issues, and conveniently let the “new guy” take all the blame. AI dropped the ball, but it was ONLY after the Piston’s organization screwed him over by NOT holding the rest of the team accountable.

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    Tavoris: That’s very one-sided of you. How did the Pistons organization KNOW that there would be chemistry issues? They had NO idea, that’s why they GOT Iverson, they admitted it was a gamble, one which could lead to a championship, or an early playoff exit and a lot of cap room for more free agents. To say they knew Iverson wouldn’t be accepted by the other players is lunacy… why even make the trade then? To ruin Iverson’s career? Why not just buy out Iverson’s contract and throw the team into the lottery?
    And to my knowledge, the other players WERE held accountable… It seems all the blind Iverson-supporters (I’m beginning to throw you into this category, Tavoris…) conveniently forgot that Rip was benched for a long stretch of games. Stuckey was benched for a long stretch of games. Christ, they even put Tayshun as a power forward. Each player moaned and whined, but the team kept losing, and only IVERSON downright refused to get off the bench. Hell, Rip changed his game from a comfort shooter who runs off screens to a slasher off the bench, no one gives the dude credit for that vast change.
    Not to say Iverson didn’t TRY. Iverson tried to become sort of Jordan-esque, making his shots quicker and deferring to other players more often, but he simply isn’t a quick-scoring player (Iverson’s MO is control the ball, look for weaknesses, exploit) so Iverson would tend to shift back to “I need the ball” Iverson and the team didn’t like that. So the team really stopped playing.
    But you know what? I don’t know what happened in the locker room, but I didn’t see Iverson really trying to get the guys motivated. Maybe he did, didn’t work, and he gave up. But he certainly didn’t do it in any sort of public way.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    So are you saying that if they brought in any other superstar/veteran that they wouldn’t have been able to “lead” the Pistons in any sort of way? To an extent, I have to co-sign TC. It’s to the point that you guys are either that blind or that opinionated. At this time in AI’s career, it’s a SERIOUS “it is what it is” finality to it. There are players that I advocate for more than others, but… This is ridiculous. No words you are gonna change his past or his present situation. It’s been over.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, they made the trade for salary cap flexibility. “Iverson as a savior-then pariah” was the snake oil used 2 appease the fans-many of whom were livid that the heart & brain of the team was traded. I’m not being blind to the situation (as I ALWAYS mention that Iverson dropped the ball), but I think that he was unfairly vilified for ruining a team that was falling apart ANYWAY.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The leadership issue is obvious.
    Iverson failed to lead because he’s never been that type of leader. He wasn’t in Philly, he wasn’t in Denver and he wasn’t in Detroit. His complaints about “leadership” are bogus. Even his complaints about his teammates hating him are wack. He needs to let that go.
    But, this whole movement to say his injury was fake is wack. Pretending that this “opinion” is based on anything but subjective reasoning is wack. There is no objective proof that Iverson was faking. None.

  • scntfc

    A good example of trading for a leader and him taking the reins and the team concedeing, Kevin Garnet. Paul Pierce welcomed him and it worked.

    Joe is not stupid enough to promise a player anything but an oppurtunity. AI came and took a starter role that he clearly didnt earn. And when that was not working he balked at playing any other role.

    Lets watch what happens in Memphis. and let this be a reflection of who he really is. Does anyone see the Irony in only the LOwly Grizz offering him a contract. his skills could have fit in, with several contenders.

    And regardless of whether his back was injured, this guy said he would rather retire than come off of the bench.

    When he first went to Detroit at his press conference he said he would do anything to win…

    Enough Said!

  • TADOne

    To be fair, AI was villified in the media and made the scapegoat by said media. No one in the Pistons front office, coaching staff, or players came out and specifically blamed AI for anything that went wrong last season. Rip sulked that his BFF Chauncey got traded, but he didn’t hold some hidden agenda against Iverson. If anything, Rip was upset at Curry and his handling of the whole situation, which is where a bulk of the blame should be. Dumars took a chance on a talented player that he assumed would give the team a spark and it didn’t work. He admitted all of this in the press conference. He also admiited to getting him because his contract was expiring. Dumars was looking at the present and the future when making the trade. The present part of it backfired but the future is still in question. If the Pistons return to the playoffs and Gordon, Charlie, and the littany of draft picks work out, then everyone will forget about the AI experiment.

  • tavoris

    TADOne, of course you know that if ANYONE in the organization came to his defense-even once-then the media would have backed off. Memphis has already defended the dude more in 1 week than Detroit did in a whole season

  • TADOne

    That is not true, Tavoris. However, i’m thru talking about AI. It is old news.

  • OneStep

    Regardless of what was said or promised if A.I. believed that he was going to be the leader of that team with the personnel they still had then he’s a fool. They’ve won championships doing it their way so they were hardly likely to see Mr. “no-championships” Iverson as any kind of saviour. When A.I. was good we all put up with his shit but now he’s not-so it’s all getting a little tired.

  • http://www.porterandmacmillan.com doyouwantmore

    I don’t think AI was faking. I think he just stopped playing through the pain for one of the first times in his life because he saw there was no point in it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “You LIE!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    “A team on a run of 5 or 6 consecutive Conference Finals promised you the leadership mantle? I’m sure Rip, Sheed, Tay and them might have had some questions about that.”
    I think that’s what the article says.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No disrespect to SLAM, but the commenters here have been defending Iverson more than the actual staff. Which is kind of strange and a bit frustrating because, well, Iverson was SLAM’s posterchild for almost his entire career. And once other media outlets start to vilify him–nope, no interviews in his defense. Writers may have voiced their opinions through the comments section here or whatnot, but nothing in ink (as far as I know. If I missed some articles, feel free to say so). But hey, at least the magazine openly defended Stephon M.!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m sure AI’s stare-house of SLAM covers speak for themselves Teddy?

  • rikson

    Iverson didnt ruin the Psitons…. Iverson ruined Iverson!

  • rikson

    Plus: Even if its true – which I highly doubt – its soooo weak to say that NOW!

  • http://fsjkfdlc.om Jukai

    Yeah Teddy, SLAM should be fake and defend him till the end. That is why I buy slam. For them to be fake. Yeah!

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Well said Jukai.

  • Teddy-the-Bera

    Then why is Iverson SLAM’s posterchild IN THE FIRST PLACE? Why did they, from when he was in Georgetown, act like he was tight with the publication, and that the two parties had SUCH a great relationship? No offense to SLAM, but fake is publishing that Scoop Jackson article on AI and then backing off when he has trouble in Detroit. Cut the cr@p Jukai, its called loyalty.

  • http://www.ontarget-graphics.com Sucka Free

    As far as AI beeing lied to it was obvious. You do not bring in a talent like that then juggle him around. Him and RIP should have started and Stuckey should have come off the bench from day one. The Pisonts played there hand early, and it was obvious.

    As far as AI coming to practice on Thanksgiving. The pistons were dead in the water by October. I noticed there dimise on October the 19th to be exact when they played the bobcats (true NBA fans do the research). It was obvious what there true intentions were so I would not have showed up either, sepecially on a day were it is about your family. This whole mess started when they choose to put Stuckey in the mix over RIP. The entire team gave up after that not just AI…