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Tuesday, November 17th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  171 responses

Will The Answer Land in New York?

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

From the moment he became an unrestricted free agent this past summer, the ideal situation for Allen Iverson has always been New York. Big city, all eyes on him, the ball in his hands, and a coach who (theoretically) can bring out the best — or, at least, what remains of it — in The Answer.

Last night, Donnie Walsh confirmed his franchise’s interest in bringing Iverson to MSG. For a 1-9 team (the worst start in team history) going nowhere fast, this could be the jolt they desperately need.

From the NY Daily News:

Can Allen Iverson save the Knicks’ season, rescue them at the box office or at least make them relevant again?

Donnie Walsh will spend the next 48 hours debating what impact, both negative and positive, Iverson could have on the organization. Walsh, the Knicks’ president, confirmed Monday night that the club will explore the possibility of signing Iverson, the former league MVP who was placed on waivers yesterday by the Memphis Grizzlies. “We’ll look into it,” Walsh told the Daily News. “Right now, I’d say probably not but we’ll see.”

The Knicks are obviously a disaster, so why not take a chance on A.I? If he doesn’t work out in Gotham, it’s not like things could actually get any worse for the Knickerbockers. Rock bottom has already been reached; there’s nowhere else to go for this franchise but up.

There are understandable concerns about this move possibly stunting the growth of Danilo Gallinari and Toney Douglas, but I’d argue that playing alongside Chris Duhon is infinitely more damaging to their development.

Assuming they don’t make the mistake of asking him to come off the bench, Allen Iverson — whose manager says he’d love to play for Mike D’Antoni — could help New York regain some semblance of respectability. And even if he doesn’t, at least the product will be entertaining.

Which is a lot more than what you can say about the current Knicks.

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  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    hopefully! new york should be gagging to try any solution right now. duhon is useless and toney cant wait. and even if all goes awry, knicks wont be lampooned for it, theyve barely made any decent off court moves this decade so they have nothing to lose, their team chemistry isnt anything to shout about anyway

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

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  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    toney can*

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    in my wildest dreams both cartoons team-up again in New York to give us the dumbest pair of athletes in the same team the world of sports has ever seen….we had a glimpse in 2004 but they seem so much more burned (mentally) now that this could be the greatest show on earth……!!!!

  • OfficialEdgar

    What ta hell is u talking about? Duhon is probly the top player on the Knicks!

  • nashty

    AI = Steph 2.0 oh how the mighty have fallen….

  • tavoris

    officialedgar-Duhon isn’t a bad player, but he’s beter served if his minutes are limited. However, David Lee & Larry Hughes are playing MUCH better then Duhon.

  • Ryan D

    Bring in Iverson for so many reasons, I mean I was actually going to go to a knicks game this year with a paper bag on my head. The orginization is already a circus anyway why not bring in a world class ringleader? This is the entertainment capital of the world after all.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    This is absolutely a win-win situation. There is no possible way he can make the Knicks any worse and he’ll sell jerseys and tickets. Unless Donnie Walsh wants to solitify his status as Isiah 2.0, he’ll get this done. Plus, they aren’t gonna have to pay him jack sh!t.

  • Babygab

    Honestly I think this could work !

  • OfficialEdgar

    David Lee is a power forward he shouldn’t be in this conversation!, But Hughes is a shooting guard, Duhon can be a point guard and shooting guard. Duhon is more all around!

  • German Reignman

    How come people still believe he can sell jerseys and tickets ? how many memphis a.i. jerseys have been sold ? who in the right state of mind would buy a a.i. ny jersey for three games til he snaps again ? People in the league should really try to use a.i. as an example of “the game is bigger than one player” and should ignore him, freeze him out of the league … he was a helluva player, but this whole diva thing is getting too much in sports … respect the game and it will respect you …

  • http://fdjksl.com Jukai

    Honestly, the Knicks are the ONLY TEAM that makes sense. I will be saving my money just incase, to buy some tickets.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The definition of a hired gun.

  • DS44

    He should go overseas and play,he’s done in the NBA.

  • Max7

    Anyone seen A.I. play lately? He’s cooked. Toast. And one more piece of burning toast on top of a smoldering pile only makes the smell worse around the Garden. Pass.

  • Clark

    Anyone else feel like he is going to demand a 2 year contract, and when Donnie Walsh says no, he’ll just say, “look at what I’ve done, do I look like someone who deserves a 1 year contract?”

  • neaorin

    *facepalm*

  • tavoris

    @OfficialEdgar, but you said Duhon was the top PLAYER, not the top guard. Unless, of course, non-guards=non-players to you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com oliver

    i really love a.i. hopefully he could get a team that is for him uhmm like he retires on it,excuses for my grammar,im a filipino,i miss the a.i of old,i play ball coz of him honestly,love ai!!!goodluck on your career!!

  • luv2ball

    If he really wants a ring and to cement his career he will swallow his pride and take 20 minutes off the bench and become 6th man of the year for a contending team. If he goes to the Knicks I know it is just to soothe his I need to be a starter ego.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Yeah, I think we’re not giving Duhon his due. He did a respectable job for the team last season, but just hasn’t shown up yet this season. However, I don’t see any real positives in bringing in AI. He can’t carry the Knicks to the playoffs let alone the finals like he did for the Sixers. You might as well let Douglas develop and hope for the best. Oh, and you might want to actually draft a point guard when you need a point guard instead of drafting an exquisite bench-warmer in Jordan Hill.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    German Reignman:People still think Iverson can sell jersey’s because he was FIF in jersey sells LAST SEASON. Crazy, huh?

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Has anyone ACTUALLY seen the Knicks play this season? Or more specifically, have you seen Duhon play this season? He’s been HORRIBLE.

  • http://slamonlin.com rnibbs20

    I hope ai goes to the knicks hes got the talent we all know that he just wasn’t getting the minutes in memphis which is understandable. They were looking at the long term for the team with the young talent they had starting over ai not the short. Playing for the knicks ai can’t doing anything but get better b/c the knicks are as worse as it gets.

  • tavoris

    @Pve84…duhon did alright last season-especially considering he was the ONLY distributor on the team. He did burn out as the season progressed. I think he’d be EXCELLENT as a backup PG.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    I much rather see Iverson call it quits.. To at least save the little face he has left, and to make his Sportscentury episode extra tasty.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @Edgar, for a first, Duhon isn’t Knicks top player, this season several have been far outclassing him. And also, even if he was, thats not even saying much these days. You can trust him to make a solid pass to an open man but he shouldnt be allowed to go anywhere near the reins of a team. Between all Knicks guard, AI could and should easily get 30mins a game, with Duhons time especially reduced. AI and Larry Hughes were pretty good together in Phila, they just don’t complement each other as a guard pairing, they are yang and yang…. AI could get near the same assist average Duhon has this season whilst adding around 18ppg , and probably scraping a steal a game on top gathering double teams every so often, opening up the floor. Then there is all of the commercial benefits AI would bring, providing he isnt on a silly contract that would negate them, but thats unlikely

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    Oh, and Pve84; Alan for all of his slick talk has once again fallen to my 2K might.. In spite of my layoff. “Monkeys can’t look the Lion in the face, the King of the Jungle, !@#$%$ did I mumble?”- Jay-Z

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Duhon did ‘alright’ at the beginning of last season because no one was guarding him because they thought he wasn’t great, and he was playing 42-something minutes a game.
    Once the combination of players actually drawing up plans and keying in on him, while fatiguing beyond his stamina level kicked in, Duhon didn’t look that great.
    This season, people continue to draw up plans to stop him, and he’s just been awful.

  • Yesse

    I think NYK would be the best choice for AI, but who knows if the same thing happens again?

  • Statics and Mechanics

    there is no point in doing this! Walsh can save the effort. iverson is a cancer! if he come on board this season, there would be team left coming 2010. the thought of enduring another ego-centric, me first – team second, free agent along side or right after A.I. next summer will daunt everyone on this current roster.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    Duhon is shooting 22% from the field. Enough said.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Um.. I don’t know why my name posted as Spaceship Jay…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Yes AI, please sign with another losing team that has 0 chance of making the playoffs. End your career in mediocrity. I hope people really take a second look at him when his name gets call for the HOF. Not that he won’t make it, I just hope it takes a couple years and he doesn’t make it on the first try. I guess that’s wishful thinking though…the masses are a$$es…

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Look, The Knicks and A.I. desperately need each other. If the Answer goes out like this, it will be one of the worst retirements in sports history and it will knock a ton of shine off what should be remembered as one of the greatest careers in NBA history. I’m not saying that is right, I’m just saying thats the way it’ll be. I can’t see the A.I. I grew up watching going out like that. The Knicks are NOT going to sign LeBron or Wade the way things are going right now. If they can bring in Ivey and bring a little bit of excitement back the Garden on a nightly basis it would at least give the free agents to be a glimpse of how a star player would recieve love in the Big Apple on a nightly basis, and make no mistake about it, A.I. even on the back end of his career would be the biggest star that the Knicks have had since Patrick was in his prime. Even if it doesn’t give them a legit shot at the playoffs if they sign A.I. and give him the green light in D’Antoni’s system it at least would give fans a reason to show up besides the Cavs, Heat, or Lakers being in town. Ivey would get a chance to prove that he can still be the starting option that he apparently still wholeheartly thinks he can be and even if he really doesn’t have a future there after this year at least other teams would get a chance to see what he can still do. The worst case scenario for the Knicks is that they don’t make the playoffs again and they make more money this year than they would without A.I. and they part ways at the end of the year with just as much cap space as they had before. It makes absolutely no sense for this not to happen unless A.I. does something like demands a 2 year deal. If this doesn’t happen I’m starting a petition for Whoopi Goldberg for G.M. this time.

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    CO-SIGN BRAD LONG. WELL SAID, MY DUDE.

  • you already know.

    it will be a perfect fit for Iverson to played 4 NY Knicks, i could see it happen.

  • JOMAY

    GotHandles U Suck !

  • http://www.paidtosave.info Mr. Blastoff

    If the Knicks can manage to pull this off, I will INSTANTLY become a life-long Knicks fan!!!

  • The D Train

    Iverson has a completely loyal fan-base. Think about if Kobe fell off for two years…don’t think all the Kobe fans would jump ship. What Iverson did, or was perceived to do in the past counts for something to a lot of people. He has always rep’d him self as anti-establishment…not necessarily because of any type of marketing idea, but because he was true. People respect the hell out of that, even when it is a determent to a persons career. Simply put, Allen Iverson is, and has been for 10+, a rockstar, a giant, supernova-sized rockstar. To think he would not go over well, at least with fans, in NY is dismissive of factors beyond just PPG.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If the Knicks sign Allen Iverson after failing with Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis and Penny Hardaway and Mo Taylor and Zach Randolph and whoever the hell else I’m forgetting, I’m going to start openly campaigning for them to re-hire Isiah. Does their record suck right now? YES. Because they finally cleared out all the overpaid overrated dead weight and are constructing (no matter how slowly) a foundation. Bringing in an aging, delusional gunner who’s going to take shots away from guys like Gallinari, Douglas, Lee, Hill and even Darko is losing sight of what really matters. Instead of trying to appease the crowd with yet another over-the-hill ex-star, how about letting Mike D’Antoni earn his money by getting the guys he has NOW to play hard? It’s gonna be a lot harder to do that with Iverson around. I can’t possibly overstate how huge a mistake this would be.

  • kev

    can’t wait to see d’antoni’s head explod!

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    Russ, the Knicks are 1-9. In Denver Iverson was excellent. In D’Antoni’s system he will help the Knicks win games. The pieces the Knicks have suck. Gallinari is a one dimensional player, douglas cant shoot, and Jordan Hill should be in the D-league. None of these guys are future all-stars. lets win some games and get some excitement in the garden. 23 and 5 for AI in NYC.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Russ we discussed this sort of last night, but the plan in new york is to let most of those players walk next year or the year after anyway. Lebron is not coming to new york to play with gallo and douglas he’s just not. Signing iverson gives them a bonafide scorer who will undoubtly make life easier for some of the players you mentioned and also win us a few games in the interim. It works for both sides on so many levels and even the worst case scenario is not worse than what’s going on RIGHT NOW. If he plays his ass off and shows he can still dominate he gets another contract somewhere and prolongs his career. If he sucks he walks at the end of the year no harm no foul. Its obvious this season and last season have absolutely no meaning for the knicks brass so what the f*ck does it matter anyway? They don’t care about winning and they don’t care about the fans and even signing iverson no matter if it helps or not reeks of greed but at least the fans will get their monies worth and enjoy what he brings to the table.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And no, Donnie, signing Allen Iverson won’t make us forget that you drafted Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings and Ty Lawson and failed to sign Ramon Sessions.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If you think it works for both sides on so many levels, we don’t even have anything to discuss.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Donnie walsh is the anti isiah in every sense of the word. He’s called a great gm but whiffs on draft day like no other. Isiah gets blasted as a gm but drafts a lot of gems. David lee is beast, and chandler could be also. F*ck donnie walsh. All hype.

  • Statik

    As far as I rememeber, D’Antoni’s system is supposed to make it so that there are so many shots to take that everybody eats, so whats the big deal? Though the haters won’t admit it, AI still has the ability to bring a huge upside on offense even though he’s on the backside of his career, and considering Krypto-Nate is coming off injury and has only been a shadow of his former self AI would serve as the spark they’re desperately need. If Walsh and D’Antoni can find a common ground with him and AI doesn’t try to get a contract that doesn’t make sense for either side, the negatives are outweighed.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Haha I guess not. I haven’t been to any knick games this season maybe some of those dudes are better than I think. My problem is the two players who really actually would fit in with bron are the two players that are on one year deals. I’m not disagreeing totally with you and saying its without its problems but my point is what do the knicks need? Money for one and a person who can close out close games and get buckets. Iverson brings that. What does iverson want? To prove he can still play at a high level and to matter to a fan base, the knicks can provide that also. The difference between iverson and the other dudes you named, zbo,starbury etc is that iverson will actually play his guts out and fight to win. If any fanbase in the country can respect that its new york. He could be beloved like john starks with 500% of the talent starks had.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Bryan:Isiah had his whiffs too. One of his lottery picks is riding the Denver bench right now.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And why the f*ck are we even discussing the Knicks record? Oooh, they’re off to their worst start in history! Oh noes, bring in anyone, quick! Look, they just got RID of everyone. If they were worried about winning games, they would have kept Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford for another year. Wasn’t the whole point of this summer shedding payroll? Isn’t the whole goal to add some big names next year? Shouldn’t the goal this year be to see how the youngsters play together and how they handle adversity? Throwing AI in the mix and screaming “oh my god, save us, Allen!” is exactly the WRONG approach. Do you want Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler learning AI’s habits? Do you want shots being taken away from Danilo Gallinari, minutes being taken away from Toney Douglas? Yes, Chris Duhon sucks. We knew that. Can we maybe see what happens when Eddy Curry gets back before entering panic mode after 10 games?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    You just mentioned the heart of the problem russ they don’t care about winning. At all. The knicks are a joke right now. My love for iverson the player outweighs all the great points you make and I want something to love about my favorite team for once that’s what it al boils down to for me. I want iverson to come in and say f*ck you donnie we are winning some g*ddamn games….. brad : no denying balkman looked good his first season though. And we can go way back to drafting tmac and damon stoudamire. He signed terrible contracts but had more hits than misses in the draft.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    This is the same thinking that got the Mets to sign Pedro and the Jets to sign Favre and the Yankees to sign 8,437,847 different “All-Stars.” It’s why the Knicks brought in Marbury. Insanity is partially defined as repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result. Clearly New York fans and franchises are f*cking insane. Go ahead, Knicks, sign AI. You deserve each other.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    My favorite part of all of this is how ill-suited Mike D’Antoni is to coach the current roster. You know who would be perfect? Larry Brown. Good going, Knicks. And, since LeBron/Wade/Jesus is coming to save the team next year with D’Antoni as coach, they could go 1-81 and he won’t get fired. He might actually die on the sidelines, but he won’t get fired.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Cosign Russ x2!

  • Cizzo

    Good, I mean great, let Iverson spread his cancer all over the Empire State!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m sticking to my original statement from yesterday that AI will not get signed unless a team suffers a major injury.

  • PitchShifta

    GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    The Knicks have been in panic mode for almost 10 years.

  • peter

    Russ, you can’t really argue that Iverson (despite his recent “never coming off the bench cause I never have before” delusion) is in the same category as Marbury, Steve Francis etc…all of whom had fallen off significantly before coming to the knicks. Iverson was still great in Denver (statistically speaking), plus he would do nothing to hinder their strategy of clearing cap space for 2010 with a one year vet minimum deal.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Believe whatever you want. Clearly I’m not changing anyone’s minds.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Z-Bo was still great in New York (statistically speaking).

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    And we gave up on pedro and he goes 5 and 1 with a nice era in philly. And we gave up on favre and he’s an mvp candiate and as much as it pains me to say the yankees won the damn world series. So it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn’t. You’re right about this for the most part but I don’t think the knicks are gonna hurt the development of anyone and the plays don’t give a sh*t anymore anyway since they all know they’re meaningless.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Agreed zbo was great and so was crawford but the bosses said “f*ck that we’re winning too much lets blow this sh*t up. F*ck the fans too they’ll buy tickets regardless because we will be fine in 2010 *winkwink*”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Iverson at best gives NY 5-10 extra wins and 30-40 extra headaches.

  • peter

    OK Russ, make that “still great (statistically speaking) on a 50 win team”…that lost to the eventual finalists in the playoffs…

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Here’s the kicker though. Realisticly, who one the Knicks current roster is gonna mature enough in one season, no matter how many shots they get, to really make LeBron or Wade or even Bosh for that matter say “Oh, I want to play with that dude for sure.”? Eddy Curry? No. Didn’t David Lee and Nate both sign 1 year deals? I may be wrong but I thought they did, and if so I’d be suprised if either are back next season, regardless if A.I. comes in or not. What it comes down too is wether or not Donnie Walsh is sticking with his original plan or not. If he wants to just completely start from scratch and try to land a big fish A.I. can’t hurt them this year. If he really thinks he has something worth building with right now, then maybe not. Wilson Chandler and Dino might be the only dudes on this team this time next year. Is that enough to pass on A.I. and the revenue that comes with him?

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    “who on”^

  • peter

    + Z-Bo continues to get chances, which is really my point…time and again players with terrible attitudes get second chances as long as they can put up some numbers, but with AI it’s one and done. Saying nothing of whether it will hurt or help the knicks, its pretty remarkable that teams have so little interest (whether it makes sense is somewhat irrelevant considering the boneheaded signings some teams make). Especially considering the price tag.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    Russ is right. but i also see an argument for brining him in. As a Sixers fan, A.I will always matter to me on some level but right now how i feel about him is basically summed up in varying levels of ZZZZZZZZZ….meaning the whole thing bores me. yeah goin to a knicks game this year will be tough but it was tough last year too. the knicks are abysmal but gallinari and douglass are bright spots and harrington and lee are solid nba players and d’antoni is a good coach. or so i thought. he can’t get them to play hard in november? a week and a half before thanksgiving and they’ve already given up? do your job coach and get your players emotionally involved. this is crazy. and lets be real about another thing, playing the bball mecca card as a reason why wade or bron would come to ny is nuts. newsflash, nyc no longer produces the talent is did 20 years ago. chi, philly, atl, socal etc, these are the places where the best players come from. seriously who is the best nyc guy in the league? artest? c’mon man….knicks fans need to tough it out. every city goes through tough times. at least isiah and marbury are gone, surely these are better times as oppossed to a couple of years ago. nyc bball have to tough it out. imagine how it is for cleveland fans? one of the worst teams ever in the browns, a baseball team that trades all of its good players and watched its 2 pitchers from last year play in the WS and a cavs fanbase that is shook that its best player ever might just bounce on the franchise next summer. plus they love in cleveland!! one of the worst cities in the nation. NYC stop whining.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    What revenue? Season ticket plans are sold out. Madison Square Garden isn’t the freaking Izod Center or (sorry) Phillips Arena. People are still coming to games, they still have the MSG network. People really think signing Allen Iverson for 72 games (presuming he doesn’t throw a hissy fit and leave another team) will make a difference in Dolan’s bottom line? Seriously? People would still come to Knick games if I was the starting point guard.

  • KHALID SALAAM

    * live in cleveland

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And I’m sure people will be rushing right out to buy Knicks Iverson jerseys after his 54-game stint in Detroit and three-game run in Memphis. KEEP THE RECEIPT.

  • peter

    Russ you seriously think people WON’T rush and buy Iverson Knicks jerseys? That thing will hit the top ten list within days.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    Walsh isn’t attracting anyone next year at this rate. Fact. AI’s release is a blessing and he’d be a fool not to take it, simply put, Knicks can’t get any worse. Coaches headache can’t get worse, even with AI and his stinky attitude. At least with AI and a fit Harrington, they’ll have two players who can light it up now and again. Thats worth at least 10+ wins when your in the East, probably more considering they are with my Sixers and the shoddy Nets in the Atlantic. Or Walsh could be praying they stack it to the bottom of the league and end up with best chance of #1 pick, that wont entice the big 3, but the likes of Butler could be attracted to playing with a number one pick

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    John Hollinger was saying that there must have been 4000 people at the start of the Hawks game the other day. The NBA is cooking attendance numbers.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Russ if you play point guard for the Knicks I will buy a ticket now.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    FREE AI! Oh wait…

  • tavoris

    Z..John Hollinger doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about 99% of the time. With that being said, attendance numbers ARE cooked for every team that’s not the Knicks or the Lakers.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Interesting argument, 360vue, except for the fact that the Knicks traded away their 2010 first-round pick as part of the Marbury deal. It now belongs to Utah, whether it’s No. 30 or No. 1. Entirely unprotected.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 rog123

    Unless AI can realize that he can no longer be “the man” on a good team, I don’t really care what he does. Btw I was a fan of his from his philly days until his denver days

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What is there to think about? DO IT, DONNIE!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And no, I don’t think people will rush out to buy Iverson Knicks jerseys. Sure, some people might, but are you spending $150 on an authentic jersey of a guy who’s a one-year rental at BEST?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Let him play his natural position! Chris Duhon can be like the New York Eric Snow! This would be so awesome.

  • tavoris

    Russ, there are thousands of pimple-facedpre teens (who look like extras on “Malibu’s Most Wanted”) that would probably disagree with you.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Toney Douglas was a great pick; he definitely has a lot to learn from Allen Iverson. THIS MOVE WORKS!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Imagine if the Knicks would have just kept Larry Brown instead of listening to the terrible players whining……………. And then signed Iverson.

  • tavoris

    Russ, I’m not necessarily disagreeing about NY being a good destination (and Mike D gives me the impression where he’d b nice during ONE press conference, but then promptly send Iverson to the end of the bench-citing “conditioning issues”)

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Part of me wants it to happen just to see how fast the New York media savages AI. This could make the Marbury Era look like a high point.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    WHAT?!?! The Knicks don’t have a 2010 1st round pick?? Wow, I didn’t even realize that. I figured Stern was cooking up a plan to get the Knicks the #1 pick to entice LeBron or Wade or whoever to come to NYC. It appears the Jazz will have a very nice pick.

  • peter

    Russ, sure, I personally won’t be buying, but then I don’t own any NBA jerseys. But, if I was in the jersey market, I would sure as hell buy an AI Knicks jersey over any of the other scrubs on that team. Even if he was gone in a year. Besides, $150 dollar authentic is hardly the only merchandise option. And. There’s no way in hell he can be as bad as Marbury, no way.

  • Airswade

    I think AI & the Knicks should both go play in Europe……

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’d just get a blank Knicks jersey with a full set of velcro numbers and letters at this point.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    people still buy jerseys? to wear with what? i’m straight with the t-shirts with the names on the back, 120 dollars more in my pocket and i can actually wear that with regular fitted jeans.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Again, Iverson was 5th in the league in jersey sells, LAST SEASON.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Michael Jordan was probably pretty high too. Maybe the Knicks should sign him, too.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    ^Couldn’t hurt. lol.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib Michael NZ

    Co-sign Russ’ thoughts. A million times co-sign. This ‘selling jerseys’ or ‘selling tickets’ bullsh!t has got to stop. I can’t even be bothered arguing against those who are yelling THE KNICKS MUST SIGN AI! ITS A PERFECT FIT! I’m losing faith in the human race just by reading some of these posts.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Y’all are going around in circles.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There are reasons to sign Iverson and there are reasons not to sign him. Neither position is overwhemingly the best decision…
    That said, why would it be interesting to watch the New York media “savage” Iverson? I don’t see the appeal in that one.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Can I be real for a second? All I reallt want some Orange and blue Questions.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    in 2008 he Dropped 51 points on Kobe season avg 26ppg & 7 apg shooting 45 percent, in 09 he Played less minutes, took 14 shots per game & was labelled as washed up. He ditched practice every now & then, we call in sick at work too Big Deal, despite that Denver had to Add 4 more players ‘Nene, Chauncy,Dontay Jones & Birdman’ just to win 4 more games, Losing to the Lakers again for the 3rd year in a row, sport writers Know this circumstantial trick & shamelessly exploit it. Larry Brown has been campaigning on his behalf & in Denver he was a model citizen & a locker room favourite, No Cancer, No chemistry Killer His Starting Point gaurd Anthony Carter, is now a back up, point is AI Got Denver to 50 wins with much less Talent than Chauncey who Got them to 54 wins, see the Light People.

  • danglez

    Co-sign OG. AI has plenty of gas left in the tank to make a difference in a game.

  • GodSaveTheKnicks

    Normally I would say that we need to play the young guys and if we lose..great..John Wall is one and done baby!

    Now..I just cry everywhere..in the shower…at my desk at work..while eating.

    I knew it was going to be a long season but damn…every point Jennings scores is like a stab in my heart.

    Contracts come off the books after this season and the next.

    PatiencePatiencePatiencePatiencePatience

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MSN82jU3sg

  • Stargazey

    How much worse can get it, really? Sign him, play him in a combo back court with Toney Douglas and let him end his career on a high note. One of the greatest scorers in history leaving after being kicked out of three teams in a row is not how AI should end it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com B-zog

    OK EVERYONE IVERSON IS DONE!!!!!!!!

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    OG is the MAN!!!!!

  • MattM

    I’m loving Russ coming out with both guns blazing. The Knicks have good young players that they need to let play. Toney Douglas is for real. He was eating up NBA level guards like Ty Lawson and Wayne Ellington. This is from a hardcore UNC fan by the way.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Just think about it this way, Knick fans, you can’t go back and draft Brandon Jennings, but you can get the 2026 version at a discounted rate!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    Question can chaucey Get nuggets to 50 wins in with a
    backcourt partner Anthony Carter,
    front court melo, Kenyon & Camby
    I think not…The only reason nuggets even won 2 games against the Lakers instead of getting swept is because

    They had Kobe stopper/tripper, Dantay Jones Guarding KB instead of Kenyon getting torched trying to stay with Kobe. & they also Had Birdman + Nene to Check Odom & Gasol not to mention block shots & Grab Boards, Birdman is sick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Billups >>>>> AI OG…it’s clear to see that that team is WAY better with him as the leader. If you don’t see it the only light you’re seeing is the train that’s about to run over you.

  • JD

    Now Knikcs they’re is one thing you should do with AI first, MAKE SURE HE KNOWS THAT HE’S STARTING OR COMIG OFF THE BENCH!

  • tavoris

    wayno, a more accurate comparison would be
    Billups+Anthony+Nene+Martin+Smith+Birdman+Carter+Kleiza >> Iverson+Anthony+Atkins+Carter+Kleiza+Smith+Camby.

    notice the difference?

  • tavoris

    Nene, Martin, and Birdman >>> Marcus Camby (in case you have to look 2 hard)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    You’re wasting your time.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    @ Wayno They were better even before the Trade. in the Pre-season they had made a decision to focus on Defence that year. The are only a slower paced team thats all.

    In the 08 playoffs when Melo went cold AI carried the Team.

    Do you really believe that the Lakers could’ve stop a Nuggets team where they have to either Double Ai or Melo
    + having Nene man handling Gasol in the Middle, + Birdman having his block parties after all that JR torching Sasha & the Lakers bench AI on Nuggets in 09 equal Finals or Championship, call me deluded too
    Camby is a good Help defender but not so good on 1 on 1
    situations & ai is an underated passer his 7 apg is more than what billups avg. The difference billups look to create more for others. Ai by creating for himself creates opening for others
    “last year wash up detroit AI” dropped 27 on Memphis
    abusing whomever they placed on him, they should’ve started him.
    He had 38 points against Deron williams too
    This year washed up AI in his 2nd game in Months had 18 points & 7 assist in 27 mins
    He is No more Bench Player than is Kobe or Lebron

  • doyouwantmore

    You know what would be DOPE? Iverson should buy some cheap Ukrainian team like Azovmash or Zalgiris or something. Then he could take as many shots as he wanted and slay the Euro league.

  • freezy85

    props to OG

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If AI could ever subject his ego to a 6th man role, he could be the Jamal Crawford or Manu Ginobili of that team. Hence, we know that answer to that (no pun intended).

  • lakeshowfail

    Dimitris needs to STFU. But anyway, I think this is a BAAAAD idea. Same drama bullcrap as Detroit and Memphis and everywhere else. Pretend to be all happy with your team, then get pouty when coach doesn’t play you for 40 minutes.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    I wish I could adopt AI.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i can’t believe i just read someone saying Iverson is not worse then Billups. and BTW iverson averaged more assists then billups because he played 86% of denvers minuts, compared to 67% for billups. And PER Minute – Billups averages more Assists and Less Turnovers. Billups >> Iverson = Common Sense. If you still don’t see it ask yourself this, over the last 7 years how many Conference Finals has Iverson been to? Then check out the course of NBA history, how many times one guy has been to 7 straight conference finals. Billups = Winner / Iverson = Whiner….see the difference

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib Michael NZ

    nbk: Its actually not even worth arguing against some of the people on here. Like, surely ‘OG’ is trolling. Its that stupid. Do these guys even watch the damn games?

  • vic21

    lol, They just got rid of Marbury and now they wanna get AI. It’s like getting rid of cancer and trying to get sick again. Are you stupid NY?

  • ktokyo

    I can’t wait until Iverson starts live video-blogging. You know that’s the next step!

  • Shem

    WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? they want cap for 2010

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    Nope not trolling, Just stating the facts I Know , Calling me a troll do not changes the Facts.
    @nbk you made a good point regarding the minutes & Assist ratio i did not know that, conversely AI gives more points per minutes.so it cancels out. Billups is definitely a Winner & a better mentor or coach than AI 7 straight conf finals appearance is Good. To answer that question in all fairness I’d have to ask when did AI have 3 fellow all stars to play along side him as billups did, Never only during allstar Games, during which I’m sure he has a better Assist per minute rate than Billups, He’s throws the sickes alleys to Vince & who ever it is on his teams & doesn’t play selfish. Point is he passes when he has options he trust

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay, people are getting this situation all wrong, and I don’t think Iverson has articulated his thoughts in the right way, but here’s the deal: Its not about who freaking starts, its about the MINUTES PLAYED. In both Detroit and Memphis, not only was he stuck on the bench, they only let him play EIGHTEEN MINUTES A GAME. That is way too low for a player of his caliber, and he deserves to be on the floor at the ends of games–something these teams simply don’t get.
    Do you really think Iverson would be complaining if he was getting the 35 minutes per game and the CLOSER ROLE that Manu Ginobli and Jason Terry have?! Obviously not. Again, he hasn’t articulated his opinion clear enough (ie. complaining about not starting), but let’s be real: the MINUTES are what count. If the coaches of Memphis/Detroit were to up his minutes, he would probably have no problem with coming off the bench.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Good point, Teddy.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib Michael NZ

    @Teddy-the-bear: Iverson had not played in the preseason and had also missed the Grizzlies’ opening few games. There was nothing unreasonable about the PT he was getting in his FIRST THREE GAMES: 18 mins, then 28 and then 21. He quit. Again.

  • ab_40

    a point guard with an attitude who wears or has worn number three… where have we seen this before… stephon marbury, steve francis and now AI. Jerome James is excited I’ll tell you that.

  • Jason

    Bring him in for a 1-year experiment to bring up ticket sales, it would not hurt at all based on what they are expecting for the season. If he plays well then maybe there is a chance a contract oculd be signed that wouldn’t affect next year’s FAs. If he plays bad then cut him or don’t re-sign. Based on where they are at now it almost doesn’t matter what they do. Him stealing shots from guys that aren’t going to make them anyway is not going to crush the team. Playing behind a go-to veteran may even give some of the other younger players like Gal confidence and by default fit them into roles that they are better suited for.
    I haven’t been watching the Knicks too much this year but you don’t really need to. I paid attention for a little bit after Isiah was gone and then this year to see how the paper-thin roster would work out, but its no different than before and its not supposed to be until next year. A 1 year AI signing would add excitement to a season that is sure to seem like an eternity to the way-passed-disgruntled NY fandom. Even if things don’t turn out so well, how much else is there to talk about regarding the next ‘cept “I HOPE THEY GET LEBS AND WADE AT THE SAME TIME AND MAYBE TRADE FOR DIRK AND CHEEP TOO” or whatever it is these days.

  • http://worldstar@gmail.com SANE ONE

    I LOVE ALL OF THE GENIUS FORTUNE TELLeRS WHO JUST KNOW THAT LEBRON IS NOT COMING TO NY. WACK ASS WANKSTERS YOU ARE HOPING HE DOESN’T COME TO NEW YORK. STOP THE PROPAGANDA. YOU KNOW NOTHING. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE JERKING OFF.

  • Jason

    People have just been waiting to stone and crucify this guy for some reason forever, wanting to call him washed up before he is and all that is lame. Sure, he may not be the fit that most teams are looking for, and has some issues every now and then (according to some), but if the stuff is true about him wanting to play for D’Antoni then this could work out fine. The last time it is even fair to look at when considering his current talent is back in Denver. If he played like that for NY they might even win 25 games. Also, the ticket/jersey sales thing is huge, as that is what keeps the lights on. They have almost nobody for that now ‘cept circus-Nate. From a purist and idealistic perspective tix/jerseys are not what you think about, but you’ve got to be kidding me if you think the NY owners don’t care about that type of thing when operating a business. Perfect fit. All the controversy will be expected in NY anyway. I can already see an entire IMax…I mean Around-the-Horn show dedicated to this with Mariotti spitting all over the screen and Woody Paige making some sort of rap joke involving one of those guy’s you hear on your grandma’s station these days.

  • Jason

    People have just been waiting to stone and crucify this guy for some reason forever, wanting to call him washed up before he is and all that is lame. Despite the vocal haters, he still probably has one of the biggest fanbases wordwide. He’s a main face in the league and him succeeding is good for the game. These crash and burn stories are depressing and never good for anybody except a hater that will focus on something else in 5 mintues. Sure, he may not be the fit that most teams are looking for, and has some issues every now and then (according to some), but if the stuff is true about him wanting to play for D’Antoni then this could work out fine. The last time it is even fair to look at when considering his current talent is back in Denver. If he played like that for NY they might even win 25 games. Also, the ticket/jersey sales thing is huge, as that is what keeps the lights on. They have almost nobody for that now ‘cept circus-Nate. From a purist and idealistic perspective tix/jerseys are not what you think about, but you’ve got to be kidding me if you think the NY owners don’t care about that type of thing when operating a business. It’s a perfect fit, even if its deja-vu from Memphis and Detroit. All the controversy will be expected in NY anyway and good for the barbershops, papers, radios, blogs, and dirtsheets. I can already see an entire IMax…I mean Around-the-Horn show dedicated to this with Mariotti spitting all over the screen and Woody Paige making some sort of rap joke involving one of those guy’s you hear on your grandma’s station these days.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    i’d like the knicks to give the starting pg job to nate. just throw him out there and see what he does with it. maybe the added responsibility of being the starting pg would take the recklessness out of his game. let’s face it, 5’9 shooting guards that aren’t even stone cold shooters are going out of style, to say the least. if he fails then you know for sure. some would say that he’s already a failure as a PRODUCTIVE basketball player but oh well. it’s chris freaking duhon running the show. he’s been sucking major balls ever since durham.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    i’d like the knicks to give the starting pg job to nate. just throw him out there and see what he does with it. maybe the added responsibility of being the starting pg would take the recklessness out of his game. let’s face it, 5’9 shooting guards that aren’t even stone cold shooters are going out of style, to say the least. if he fails then you know for sure. some would say that he’s already a failure as a PRODUCTIVE basketball player but oh well. it’s chris freaking duhon running the show. he’s been sucking major balls ever since durham.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Michael NZ, if you really think its reasonable to give 18 and 21 minutes a game for Iverson, while he sits on the bench watching MIKE CONLEY close out games, then I don’t know what to tell you. Come on now.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib Michael NZ

    Teddy: I think it was perfectly reasonable given the time he had missed in the leadup to his first game. He just threw in the towel. Gave up. Quit.

  • J

    i still think the best team for iverson is the bobcats. even if they added Jax, it is still the perfect situation for A.I.. He will get the ball, the starting role, the minutes, everything plus Larry Brown.

  • giogolo

    @Oliver 10:09
    I think ur d only ! in the Phil. who thinks like that.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Giving Iverson minutes would not stunt Tony Douglas. Just get rid of Duhon. Problem solved.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Actually, Duhon is a pretty good player to have around. The Knicks could just trade Larry Hughes and Iverson could play the 2 spot. I’ve been saying now Duhon could be the New York Eric Snow.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hughes is perfect to play with Iverson….he plays solid defense on almost every guard no matter their size, and can play the 1 or 2 depending on iversons mood….Duhon, is a mediocre point guard on his best day

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wait, I forgot Hughes played with Iverson in Philly.

  • http://www.gmail.com melorush

    man i dont care which team iverson goes to but i want to see him play as soon as possible!
    i really dont want to see his career ending on a sour note…..damn it!
    he’s scored 27,000 points…he better go to a team that respect’s him and his experience..and for all the people who compare iverson to billups are way off the mark..billups had the support of ben
    wallace,rasheed wallace,richard hamilton,tayshawn…what did iverson have?broken mutombo??!!
    go iverson….35 mpg-22.9 ppg-3.9 rpg-6.6 apg!

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: Er, Hughes has been twice the player Duhon has been this season. Duhon has been pretty terrible, and has to go.

  • J

    melorush: i want to see him play too. but i want him to play on a team that would really fit him and his style of play. i dont want him to bump into another mamphis/detroit situation. cause we dont know, the next team he might suit up might be his last. and i really dont see many people comparing him to billups. they are very different players to start anyway.

  • J

    *memphis

  • ClydeSays

    Yes! Imagine AI & Robinson on the floor together. That could be the smallest backcourt ever assembled (outside of your rec league). If that combo doesn’t kill D’Antoni, nothing will.

  • http://www.powerforward.nl jelte

    Are there really still people who want to waste time on AI? NY and AI could be a nice fit, ofcourse: both have hit the bottom and only (but not likely) will go up. In their dreams.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    @tavoris: “John Hollinger doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about 99% of the time. With that being said, attendance numbers ARE cooked for every team that’s not the Knicks or the Lakers. ”
    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I totally agree with tavoris.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    Actually, I’ll caveat that. I suspect the NBA releases the sales figures for games rather than the attendance figures. I’m sure there are enough NYers who fork out $20,000 plus to leave an empty seat behind Spike for the 35 times a year Kobe, LeBron and D-Wade aren’t in town.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    @Jason – People are crucifying Iverson because he let them down. He was supposed to come in and blow the place up and prove that 5’11″ guys with wiry arms and a rap sheet could win it all. He didn’t, and now the underdog has proven himself to be just a dog, everyone wants to get in a kick.
    The guy is what he is, and hasn’t really changed since day one. So I find the whole thing really hypocritical, to be honest.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    OG – Using the preseason and allstar games as evidence of a players skills really shows the level of your basketball intelligence…seriously though, Melo and JR were two guys who were always gettin into trouble and we following AI’s bad example (partying, staying out late before games). When Billups came he straighted those boys out and they’ve been straight up ballin since. Statistically Billups has never been as good as AI, but as far as leadership on and off the court, running a team, defense, decision making, clutch plays, jump shooting, passing, post game, (I’m probably leaving a few out) he’s a far superior player. Melo’s said it, JR has said it, and coach Karl has said it, Billups is better for that team than AI. And yes, you’re very dellusional if you think AI with Denver last year would = a title. That’s absolutely insane.

  • tavoris

    wayno..in case u didn’t follow JR before AI got to Denver, he had also been a knucklehead in New Orleans …was Chris Paul a “bad influence” as well? I think it’s short-sighted to think of Anthony and Smith as putty in Iverson’s hands. In case you don’t realize, they don’t “follow AI around” during every free evening, because Iverson is married with a gaggle of children to take care of. Anthony also has LaLa and a baby…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Not saying they were saints before AI, but AI only encouraged the poor behavior, don’t be a fool Tavoris, it’s a pretty well known fact even though you are AI’s bff and all…

  • Jason

    @Dave

    This has been going on since he started in the league with a fade and no tats. I can see where others might have joined in bc he didn’t win a title in Denver or Detroit but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a good fit for a team like the Knicks, Bobcats, or Kings etc just to see. The only way he could fit with one of the top teams is if he said f— minutes and f— points and he may not wanna win a title that way. There’s probably at least 10-20 guys out there who playing better now, but if he is able to find the right role he could shine. Starting he’s good for 20+ with a theft or two and can get the offense moving. Off the bench he could win sixth man of the year if he didn’t care about minutes. He may never repeat the performance he had with the Aaron Mckie philly team but it would be interesting.

    The Memphis thing seemed cool and its a shame it broke up so quickly, but he could still be used if he could find the right spot. Sometimes people make the wrong decision, or maybe he ran into something he didn’t like. Putting him in a Knicks uni seems like the best fit, even if it doesn’t work out. If the guy just came out to floor and sat down in the middle of the court for 48 minutes it would draw more attention than what the Knickerbockers have got now. The NY fans need something to care about this year. It’s never too late for redemption, dont get on him just cause hes fallin off a bit. Recognize the evolution of his game and that he could still do something given the right oppurtunity. How are you going to guarantee Detroit or Memphis won’t happen again? I don’t think you can, but that wouldnt even matter as things are now and at a 1yr deal. If he can come to reality with where things are right now in his career and that he didn’t just drop 50 on MJ, he could stay around and help some club for another 5+ years and drop 50 on Kobe.

  • tavoris

    @wayno, you must not read many of my other posts. I defend dude, but I also defend other unfairly (by u) villianized players…and why would you think that another ADULT should be responsible for JR Smith or Melo’s off-court behavior? Melo was in “stop snitching” mode well before he even MET AI, and JR Smith was a KNOWN knucklehead before he even got to the L. How is their “stumbles to get to maturity” an indictment on AI? Does he have a record in the L of negatively influencing players? Was Eric Snow a troublemaker? How about Raja Bell, Mutombo, Hughes, Stackhouse, McKie, Iggy, Korver, McCollough? come on, dont’ call me a fool, when your REACH of an accusation was a fail built on faulty logic (again).

  • tavoris

    one last thing, Denver with Billups didn’t = a title, either. Actually, they only won FOUR more games with a MUCH deeper and healthier team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    “Iverson has been popular but counterproductive in Denver. Key members of the organization say that Iverson has partied some nights until 3 in the morning, and that Denver’s two most crucial players — Anthony and J.R. Smith — have tried to keep up with him. They say Anthony and Smith look at Iverson with reverence, the same way Chauncey’s generation looked at Michael Jordan. So when A.I. says, “Let’s go out,’” they go out. When A.I. wears a sleeve on his arm, they wear a sleeve. Especially the impressionable Smith, who has never met a shot he didn’t like.

    The Nuggets have managed to win 50 games in 2007-08 living this way, but it’s clear they have hit their ceiling. A.I., Anthony and Marcus Camby are all “ball stoppers,” meaning they rarely pass. A lot of times, the Denver offense has consisted of Iverson dribbling right, Iverson dribbling left and Iverson taking a fadeaway. The sorry offense has led to sorrier defense, but Karl’s pleas for ball movement have fallen on deaf ears.” Excerpt from ESPN’s OTL piece on CB… There was anadjustment period at the beginning of the season for the CB led Nuggets, so yeah, they won 4 more games, but the wins weren’t the entire story. They were a more fluid, well run team and that was obvious to any basketball fan with two eyes. Thier playoff success was FAR better than the previous year as well. I also specifically said in my previous post that both Melo and JR had done some knucklehead stuff prior to AI coming there, but AI only furthered thier knuckleheadedness, he didn’t help straighten them out. They were club hopping the night before games with him. There has been a notiable chance in both of thier behavior (and play) since that team got an actual leader in CB.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    also, I was merely pointing out that OG is INSANE for saying that denver + AI last = title last season. That would have been another 1st round exit.

  • tavoris

    wayno…that was speculation and hearsay propagated by the media. Please tell me you aren’t that gullible.

    Far better in the postseason? That is obviously because of CB IN PART, but also because of Anthony’s post-olympic focus, the return of Nene, the return of Anderson, and the return of Martin’s athleticism. I think ALL of those players deserve far more credit than you’re giving them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    c’mon man, CB absolutely murdered Chirs Paul in the first round. If he wasn’t there they would have had a hard time making the 2nd round of the playoffs. Plus, it’s funny that anything from the media that you don’t like hearing is dismissed as “hearsay propagated by the media”… who’s the gullible one? Of course having a healthy supporting cast helped Denver, but Chauncey made that team play well together for the first time in quite some time. He’s a leader which is exactly what they needed and what AI DIDN’T provide for them in ANY respect. AI is a more talented scorer than Chauncey billups, but what else does he do better than him? Pass? nope. Rebound? nope. Defend? nope Lead? nope. Chauncey’s game has it’s faults, but he’s just a better guy to have on a contending team period. AI is perfect for a team of nobodys that needs someone to dominate the ball and score alot of points while having some robots to dump the ball off to on occaision to make him look like a better passer than he really is. He’s the perfect superstar for a terrible team (which explains his VERY limited team success throughout his NBA career).

  • tavoris

    ok.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    ok.

  • rob Miller

    Knicks need A.I. bad he can still score and besides David Lee he would play defense and I bet he get voted to the Allstar game if not him then monta but for now Iverson.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pennyccw OG

    Laughing @ Wayno…u speculate & add words…I never mentioned preseason in any of my AI arguments, I wonder how many others of you noted sources you have ad libbed or scipted for. All star is a Good example to use as a template.

    I suppose if I mention the olympics, where AI passed alot you’d question my basket ball knowledge too. becuz u’d assume that its the dream team & he has to pass the ball…when the opposite is actually true in 04 b4 Big Name stars thought it fashionable to play 4 the Dream team. AI was in his prime & could’ve decimated those fiba teams defence avg 30ppg & 8 apg…but he didn’t he passed the ball…

    & CB only dominated CP3 cuz nene & bird man locked down chandler & company… see much like AI assist are made by fear of him scoring & teams collapsing on him, CP3 in a similar but opposite fashion make much of his points by fear of his passing ability. with nene & birdman doing an excellent job in halting the alley hoop generator(chandler). billups could focus on locking down his scoring etc…

    Melo & Jr are grown men & should account for their own actions, How come he didn’t affect Nene & Kleiza. in fact Kleiza actually said his confidence & Game improved becuz AI helped him alot, giving pointers & all. hmmn i think that’s called mentoring, That being said AI is legendary for parting till even 4am then dropping 40 by 9 pm, their alot of stories like that. He’s like the dude in the classroom who acts like he ppl follow & party act cool & fail, then he still passes.

    However to dent your argument AI had left much of those habits back in philly. fact…go back & check your sources or write another script.

    Ps wins are counted by numbers 4 more games for the mammoth change, in culture & staff is an under achievement. It doesn’t matter if someone hits a party like its their last, as long as they play the game the same way too.

    Do you care if Denzel, was partying till 3 am the day before filming a big movie, when your in the theatre screaming Yeah!!! or …i think not… so here’s a new idea lets assess basketball players by how they play (light bulb) Basketball… wow, what a concept.

  • tavoris

    wayno, limited team success? Did you not realize that the Sixers spend SIX STRAIGHT YEARS in the lottery? In case your memory stops when Iverson was drafted, the only All-Star or better-level players in the last THIRTY YEARS that revived a team in a similar matter is Lebron & Shaq. Go through the teams’ records if u need proof.

  • tavoris

    Oh, and KG

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